Im fed up with the dumb AI

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I feel there has been better AI in other racing games for quite some time now.
In Mario Kart, for example.

Okay, so far, I didn't have that many problems with the AI pitting me. But, you know, I'm not getting the feeling I'm actually racing the AI, it's more like hotlapping with annoying, moving obstacles on the track.
Like, 7 of them clogging up the first turn while the one in the lead pulls away and disappears into the horizon.

I expect a comment like "Then go play MArio Kart!!!11" every second now.
 
AI is not bad at all but yeah it can happen that AI decides to ram you unknowingly and you shouldn't throw our controller because of that :crazy:
 
You lot need to learn to drive and make better judgment when passing, Only time I have ever been done in by the PIT maneuver was because I tried to cut in front of another car too soon. The Ai should learn to back off the gas when you make such a stupid and arrogant move.

I seem to notice that the complaints always come when you are making a move, it's never when the AI was passing you though. When ever that happens it always on a corner or something like that, where you are more than likely to have made the mistake as the AI can drive even the most broken of cars in the game. I have never seen the AI over take and take the line too early and initiate contact, as of yet this has never been seen. But I'm pretty sure loads of us have done that numerous times to the AI.

@Never One, you're a bad liar. The AI only bumps into you when you brake too early, if they are faster than you, they will go right on around you. I have yet to be rear ended by the AI, unless I had to stop short because of a AI traffic jam, even then they are pretty quick to brake and not hit me. You are either taking a bad line and making moves at ridiculous places, the AI is programmed to take the optimum line and they do move and make adjustments when you are present, but if you either barge your way in or over brake you are causing a situation that even experienced drivers would have issues avoiding.

I drive pretty hard in whatever car I'm using, the AI is constantly adjusting to whatever I am doing, I had a bit of a dog fight just last night in the Japanese championship race on Grand Valley Speedway, I'm running an NSX with 356hp, pretty much stock everything else and the AI cars are about the same in HP. Hard race and I had to battle my way into few different positions, either by out braking deep into corners or slip streaming down the final straight, but not once did the AI deliberately crash into me. I took away their line and they backed off until they could attempt another attack if I made a mistake. Which usually tends to be a wheel in the grass and a fight to stay in control of the now wildly swaying back end.

What is wrong with the AI is it doesn't seem to care when you spin your car sideways, from that moment on you pretty much do not exist, it's as if you presence completely disappears. That is what PD needs to fix about this AI, that is the biggest flaw with the AI, once your car starts to go into a spin you don't seem to register as being on the road at all.

I don't know seems like many complainers here drive ham fisted, and use very little driving techniques. The AI in GT5 tends to trail brake into many turns, you would do well to learn this technique as it does help with staying ahead of them, instead of the usual max out my HP and have the highest grip tires train of thought. Trail braking with a DS3 is not very easy, but it's doable. Anyway tired of the same old complaints and it's for reason always the AI's fault. I would be inclined to believe you, but I also play this game and the only thing that I have seen that is completely correct is what I put in bold. Everything else is down to your bad decisions on the track, the AI can only respond so quickly to so many things, in fact I bet the moves you pull in the game in a real life race would get you fined and tossed from driving to boot.

I have played FM3 online extensively and have noticed that some people are just ham fisted, they will try to win the race in the first corner, usually ending up with a lot of people clipping and rear ending, spinning out , punts into the grass; infinitely more hilarious stuff that what I seen in GT5 AI. Take that as a thought with you. AI rear ending you, it's more than likely that you are too slow, or trying to block him with a late block maneuver.
 
I've read two sides of this argument in this thread
1.) AI sucks balls
2.) ZOMG the AI is the best ever........EVER

Seriously I would love to have GT4, with GT5 cars and the online mode with trading
At least I wasnt 53% done with GT4 in 9 days, and could enjoy a race without having to think when the AI was going to ram in to me

I seem to notice that the complaints always come when you are making a move, Lie, I am rammed into a lot. Especially on technical tracks like the ring

@Never One, you're a bad liar. The AI only bumps into you when you brake too early, if they are faster than you, they will go right on around you. Again, I get rammed a lot because the AI stays on the racing line at all costs
 
Play online. Problem solved.

Edit: They really need to patch in credits and experience reward for online though.
 
I just think some of these folks who are having problems (like the OP) like this are mostly pushing themselves way too hard. I mean, the game has been out barely a week, and they're already trying to tackle these more advanced events.

Take your time, try to take a slower pace with the game, don't try to accomplish everything so fast. After awhile, you'll maybe start to see how the Ai reacts to certain situations, and you'll know what to do or what not to do once you're in traffic. All Gran Turismo games are the same in this regard; you have to know to some degree how to drive around them.

These words will fall on deaf ears, of course! :lol: "Slow down my pace? Take my time? Learn how the game actually works? I don't have time for all that!"
 
Clean overtake. No pit.......... I've learned to adapt to their ways. If they are in your blind spot stay away until they back off. They don't just stick to a line and ignore you, some will even move out of your way if you are on their tail.

The AI is better than most of you think. They aren't train like drones like people think. I see a lot of good from them but only time people comment on them is when something bad happens.
 
The AI is so last-gen it's pitiful. You don't dare try to pass another car using anything resembling a real-life racing maneuver - they'll almost surely pick that moment to swerve over to your side of the track for no reason and slam into you. License test A9 points it out better than anything - you have to outbrake some cars and take the inside line through the corner. The test would be a piece of cake if the AI didn't just ram straight into you as you try to take this recommended line. You have to outbrake the other cars by a big enough margin so that when they turn into the corner, you won't even be there any more. That's absolutely retarded - as if a real-life driver would see that another car is there and just ram right into them.

About the only option is to buy a car that's fast enough to pass the AI cars using really bad lines through the corners. And if you've got a car that's that fast, you'll win every race by at least 20 seconds or so. Or else you can play demolition derby with them.
 
Lol love this dude. You broke a controller over a racing game?

Don't touch them while turning otherwise they will PIT you over n over again. Ever heard of a clean overtake before?
 
The problem is the people trying to win races in 1 lap. They start a race and in the 3rd corner they want to be the first of the pack, smashing AI, making non sense overtakings... and so on. So, the AI is dumb...they race on RAILS.

You need to feel the race... choose the exact corner to overtake... dont push it too hard.
 
Im done with this BS. I just shattered a $50 controller on the ground because I got pit maneuvered AGAIN on the last race of the all star championship.
Thanks PD for making the fellow racers idiots

Maybe they should rate the game for Mature Audiences only with a "May cause excessive rage." label on the back of the box.
 
You lot need to learn to drive and make better judgment when passing, Only time I have ever been done in by the PIT maneuver was because I tried to cut in front of another car too soon. The Ai should learn to back off the gas when you make such a stupid and arrogant move.
For what's it worth...

Get yourself an overpowered car that can toy with the AI. Get directly besides one of the AI cars, while heading down a straight. Make sure you stay there a while so they can have a good, long hard look at you, then get ahead a little. Keep the inside line while approaching the corner and, so far, the AI moved in on me more often then not, slamming into the outside rear quarter of my car.
That's not late breaking into the corner or cutting in front of the AI, it's just being faster on the straight and taking the inside line on the corner.

Granted, this isn't something I'm doing during a race, I just messed around a little. Still, it shows that the AI has little to no consideration for the players car - at least not in the lower tiers of races.
 
In 3 lap race, if there was flag rule, i'm sure 2/3 of AI cars will get black flag 👎

the way AI cars run is unrealistic and dangerous in real life

edit: i hope Kaz did not drive like this during nordshleife 24h
 
Fixed.
Exactly.
This is AS (artificial stupidity).

It's like once they connect with your bumper you're glued together. I've even had an a.i. driver push me off the track onto a side road with him still flooring it and him not making any attempt to get back on track.

The sane thing for an a.i. to do once collision has occurred is to let off the gas..but I honestly have never seen this happen..they always pedal to the metal once they tap your rear bumper.
 
Has anyone ever watched the old BTCC races. Those guys were pretty out there and were not affraid of harming themselves or others around them.
 
Has anyone ever watched the old BTCC races. Those guys were pretty out there and were not affraid of harming themselves or others around them.

They didn't throw their cars away without hesitation, though.
 
For what's it worth...

Get yourself an overpowered car that can toy with the AI. Get directly besides one of the AI cars, while heading down a straight. Make sure you stay there a while so they can have a good, long hard look at you, then get ahead a little. Keep the inside line while approaching the corner and, so far, the AI moved in on me more often then not, slamming into the outside rear quarter of my car.
That's not late breaking into the corner or cutting in front of the AI, it's just being faster on the straight and taking the inside line on the corner.

Granted, this isn't something I'm doing during a race, I just messed around a little. Still, it shows that the AI has little to no consideration for the players car - at least not in the lower tiers of races.

For what it's worth I've had to battle with AI cars on the medium setting on la Sarthe. Mind you I'm driving the McLaren F1 Stealth and up against very fast and capable cars, my biggest opponent was the equally capable BMW McLaren and even on a straight he didn't ram me, on turns I utilized braking procedures for my car which include backing off the gas early, then gradual to full braking then into the corner then braking slightly to keep my grip, the AI did the the opposite, he just about fully brakes before the turn, then turns in and then brakes a little before the second part of the chicane. If the AI hits me during any of this, I was cutting across the line which my car was set up for or I slowed down too much.

What you did goes to show that the AI is half expecting your more powerful and capable car to have already moved on ahead, granted it's not the quickest thinking Ai and it has glaring flaws, but many times the accidents we have concerning them is most likely our fault. No one actually posts a video showing them having a normal race and the Ai for absolutely no reason crashes into them or purposely takes them out. Upon inspection of a video like that you can probably pick out the specific instances where you screwed up and the AI has to try and figure out what to do in that situation. For the most part the AI reacts rather well to normal and advanced racing tactics, and I have seen them block me out, which is funny to myself. Racing is about being consistent, and when you take a line into a corner, drivers expect you to continue on that line until you exit. PD could do well to add more routines to deal with people who can't keep a line through a corner and allow the AI to retreat for a moment then attack again when the opportunity arises. The AI is pretty good when it comes to racing, but I would prefer it to be more aggressive when it comes to cornering. When they drive fast cars though, you have to be very clean or you will get left.

AI is pretty good, still dumb when it comes to certain things, but if you drive like a racer and not like someone who can't make up their mind then well then the AI would be decent.

How is my driving? That is the real question, are you someone who tends to run tires red on exits, tends to get a little loose too often when braking for a corner? Are you a panic type person when the AI is gaining on you? If the AI could deal with all of our shenanigans and soundly beat us, then we have awesome AI. Realistically this is a game and if this were real life, you would probably start and finish in the same position you started in for a 5 lap race driving those same cars, especially with drivers of equal skill.
 
I kept getting spun out by the AI at the daytona or Indy NASCAR race, forget which one. Sometimes on lap nine. Finally I got smart and watched for them. If they came up on me fast I would make sure they where right behind me so when they hit me it actually pushed me forward a spot or two and in the turns I made sure we were side by side or they were away from me so they couldn't clip the rear corner.
 
The problem is the people trying to win races in 1 lap. They start a race and in the 3rd corner they want to be the first of the pack, smashing AI, making non sense overtakings... and so on. So, the AI is dumb...they race on RAILS.

You need to feel the race... choose the exact corner to overtake... dont push it too hard.

The problem I come up against is that often you kind of do have to...

I mean license tests are often hard enough you need to be pushing hard the whole time to possibly win and even in a lot of Aspec races the AI has some odd way of pulling way out ahead if you don't get up in the lead and fast...

I mean if I ever lose site of the first place car in a close race I find him 8-10 seconds up within a lap and I can never catch him. However if I get ahead of him early he has a hard time passing me even if I don't block and often falls behind.
 
The problem I come up against is that often you kind of do have to...

I mean license tests are often hard enough you need to be pushing hard the whole time to possibly win and even in a lot of Aspec races the AI has some odd way of pulling way out ahead if you don't get up in the lead and fast...

I mean if I ever lose site of the first place car in a close race I find him 8-10 seconds up within a lap and I can never catch him. However if I get ahead of him early he has a hard time passing me even if I don't block and often falls behind.

I agree, most of the tougher races, you basically have to get ahead ASAP, and pretty much block it out for the rest of the race. I mean some cars are just ridiculously fast that the AI drive. And the worst part, there is some serious boosting. If you fall behind, there is no way your catching up. But if some how the enemy even spins out, and you will gain a 15 second lead and by the end of the lap, they will be right back on your tail again.
 
The AI takes the same path no matter what car they are in. I've been playing the MR Series a bunch and doesn't matter what car they are in the AI is predictable by it's starting position. GT5 actually feels like it has worse AI than before.
 
Strange, I have almost never been taken out by AI and others on other forums are fine aswell, think there must be a huge lack of race craft in this forum.

I have however got fed up with the complete lack of pace of the AI,
1. Braking 50-100 meters too early
2. The way they brake and drop a gear in a corner/sweep that should be flat.
3. Braking half the braking zone then accelerating then braking again onto the apex then nailing it for the exit then getting out of the throttle before finally nailing it again, rinse repeat per corner.

There was more competent AI in GP2, that was made in 96. GT5 P had faster AI, I cant remember any GT being this bad.
 
Yeah guys, we should all just be Polyphony sycophants and applaud anything and everything that they do. After all, there are no faults with GT5 :sly::sly::sly::sly::sly:

Luckily there's this thread, because it's impossible to find a negative thread about the AI around here. Or any negative thread for that matter.
 
While I also dispise the AI you might take this as a lesson to not throw expensive objects around. Once you make the decision to not toss controllers around it becomes easy to not get pissed.
If anything you should be pissed at yourself.

Also the only time the AI pitted me was when I made the mistake of pulling in front of them, which is entirely my fault.

Try doing the NASCAR races, they pit you ALL the damn time:grumpy: I'll be in the lead, they will draft up and gain speed, and then just RAM me in the back (note: I'm not braking, nor trying to block them either; just plain driving)
 
AI is pretty good, still dumb when it comes to certain things, but if you drive like a racer and not like someone who can't make up their mind then well then the AI would be decent..

Well, yeah, I agree that the AI is pretty conditional. However, so far, for me, the condition doesn't seem to be 'race like a real racer', but 'turn the driving line on and stick to that as close as possible'.
Besides, driving like a racer doesn't mean sticking to the same pattern of driving for the whole race, as you'll have to adapt to changing circumstances. That, for example, is something the AI can't seem to do very well, which doesn't make it feel very racer-like. As I said, it feels like hotlapping with moving obstacles quite often.

Besides, if someone has to drive in a certain way for the AI to work, than it's not a good AI, period.
 
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