Is anyone else disappointed with GT5?

[didleslie]

GT5 is worth every penny i have paid for it, in both game play and content. I admit we were spoilt with GT4's content in Aspec but i have had plenty of hours working my bob in Bspec to more than make up for it.

Some times people just knock stuff cos they can.

 

[Slurm]

👍 Seriously. A big 👍. That sums the whole deal up pretty nicely. It hits one of the biggest reasons for my personal disappointment sqaure on the hat. My own, very personal disappointment with which's reason nobody has to agree, by the way.

I've read or watched an interview regarding sandboxy games. I think it was around the time of GTA 4's release. That guy said (basically):
"A game lifes by its limitations. Allowing the palyer to do whatever he feels like at any given time isn't going to make the game any good."
And I think that that's true. I mean... Would Super Mario have been any good if it gave you the choice to just fly through every level, without ever having to notice the existence of any kind of obstacle?

You speak of challenge, yet the events are all there, unrestricted! With a choice of 1000 cars, think of all the wacky different combinations you can challenge YOURSELF with! 💡💡💡

HERE'S WHAT I DO: Tune your car a little bit each time (this may take a while). If you lose the event, you need to tune some more! Repeat until you win the event by a small amount..... Yay!

Top tip: When you win the event, try taking off an upgrade and see if you can win again. Keep doing this til you decide it's no longer possible, and then RE-add the last part you took off, and jot down your new self-regulations in your Filofax! You will not have anything to show for it in game, but give YOURSELF a pat on the back. You won with your own tried and tested restrictions.... ....!! 👍

 

[BINGOMAN]

since i have played all gran turismos since the day of their releases, i gotta say gt5 is the best gt we have got yet. of course i expected some better graphics both car (premium look great though) and environment, but the feeling is spot on again. and thats what gran turismo really is and always was about, the driving.
1000 cars is also a great achievement and i have no problem with the many japanese cars since it is a japanese game and most big car makers are represented.
i think gt5 got like a pokemon with cars, its about collecting cars and there the only real problem occurs, money. its pretty brutal if you invest several million credits in a car that doesnt deliver, just to realize that you cant sell it. this is where grinding gets a pain. if you want to collect all cars, gt5 forces you to grind. there shouldnt be anything like grinding since it only wastes my precious lifetime for some virtual stuff.
online racing should give a much higher revenue to solve this problem and every car that can be bought must be possible to sell for a realistic price.
also i understand that b-spec is a very "japanese" mode since its real purpose is to watch your collectabiles "in action", BUT it is not very pleasant to watch it for more than 3 laps, not to talk about the endurance races...

the last thing that really needs to be improved is the garage. gt is a videogame, you should have a virtual garage where you can walk through and position every car you own in any way you want. it even would make sense to drive your car to the right position in a multi level parking lot (1000+ cars). this feature has to be implemented in a gt6. i want to see my cars all in real size and all at the same time!

GTA and GT, the only reasons to play videogames.

 

[robbo6]

GT5 is worth every penny i have paid for it, in both game play and content. I admit we were spoilt with GT4's content in Aspec but i have had plenty of hours working my bob in Bspec to more than make up for it.

Some times people just knock stuff cos they can.

No we were not spoilt, GT4 had a nice amount of content and GT5 has gone backwards. And seriously....you enjoy Bspeccing????? It's akin to having my knob shredded and fed to a goat afterwards. In fact sometimes I think I'd prefer that to watching my Bspec cretin (lvl 26 no less, but still a cretin) arse up another overtaking manouver.

 

[Tenacious D]

It's not about the compteitiveness. I can drive the most underpowered car and it gets challenging, but I don't get a feeling of actually racing. It's a bit hard to explain, but basically, in a race, you have to incorporate strategy, defend your position, attack others' position and so on.
In GT5, you have to lap fastest to win. That's the difference. The fact that the AI is painfully slow just adds to that.

Well, and how is this different from any other racing game? Toca comes to mind. You have bots which trundle along like cruise missiles, even smash headlong into wrecked cars, making wonderful pileups. Your challenge? Take turns as precisely as you can and drive the fastest. The same for GTR. I guess you could say that Forza is a little different because the bots might ram into you on purpose. Is that your definition of competitive? Where's the strategy? The only racing in which that applies is online against other gamers, and GT5 has that too.

And this is the problem with all the complaining here, it's very selective, not even handed, biased, exaggerated, even untrue. Even all your restating the obvious in your post. "People hate the Standards." Well duh, like we haven't heard that a thousand times, as many times as some of these posters can work it in. But why is that even sensible? These cars aren't going away. If they did, many of those same people would complain that the car count is puny and doesn't have enough variety. This is like complaining about the number of Skylines. No one is forcing you to drive them. It's a cliche bullet point for complainers and is utterly pointless.

And you're guilty of this as well:

For the 'heard it a thousand times' bit: That's the same with the GT lovers & defenders and with the guys complaining about complainers.

Please. The number of complaint posts and threads outnumber the positives by about fifty to one. Seriously. Of course you evidently don't mind because you don't care for the game, so you're fine with it. It seems you don't feel any connection with the community, so you don't care that GT Planet is becoming a cesspool, with little reason to come here. I'm sure some of the mods would have something to say on this.

If you're fine with the way things are, the level of "discussion," well... then there's not much more to be said, is there.

And then there's this:

I don't think that would happen.
I don't like his attitude towards 3rd world country's though.

Playing the race card, Mr Sharpton?

Greece isn't a third world country. Neither is Italy, France, England or the U.S., although we're all slipping there. Maybe you don't watch the news, or maybe the news services really are such a waste that no one is reporting this, but people around the world are being radicalized and tearing up cities. In America, unions don't want to let go of collective bargaining, which has brought many states and businesses to the brink of bankruptcy because of all the brain dead deals which were forced on them by the unions. Deals which WE have to pay for. Maybe you have plenty of money, or you don't work for a living. I do, and I'm not swimming in cash. But I resent people rioting as if their life depends on it because workers in France might have to work till age 62 instead of 60. And it's about that stupid here.

If the people of this world don't all pull together, it's all going to be pulled apart, and not much longer from now.

 

[machschnel]

But I resent people rioting as if their life depends on it because workers in France might have to work till age 62 instead of 60. And it's about that stupid here.

My god your naive. I suppose the Libyan's should just put up with Gaddafi as well? In a "democracy" it isn't the governments place to decide when the French people should stop working, unless it isn't as democratic as it proclaims to be. Yes, France is in trouble, but only because of the government and now you want the people to trust them?

Your attitude reeks of either adolescence or idiocy. But when groveling at Kaz's feet is priority numero uno, people being oppressed by there government must be a small, petty issue for you.

 

[jv38]

I'm not completely disappointed but I have to say that GT5 is not all what I was expecting to be. Even if it has lot more technical advances than GT4, it does not compare to it. There are a lot of glitches, content missing, and not done right. I only hope that the ability of the developers to update and fix the game. So I still have hopes for a better game.

 

[Lucas]

GT5 is worth every penny i have paid for it, in both game play and content. I admit we were spoilt with GT4's content in Aspec but i have had plenty of hours working my bob in Bspec to more than make up for it.

Some times people just knock stuff cos they can.

True. Also, some times people knock stuff because they have the right to do so, and they have the correct reasons to do it.

Also, Toca 3 did the racing aspect much better than GT4.

 

[Destinkeys]

Until you can race similarly spec'ed AI cars, and they be a challenge, IT'S NOT RACING. It's not a 'sim'.

If you have to drop down to a car that in real life wouldn't be allowed on the track because, IRL, it would cause wrecks by being so SLOW, just to have a competitive battle with the AI, the racing part of the game is an epic fail.

You bomb round corners twice as fast as the AI, then they overtake you on the straights (or you block them unrealistically)... where does this 'simulate' any racing YOU ever saw?

Personally, I have no problem with 'rubber-banding' the AI (not your DS3!), or allowing them 'cheats', if, at the end of the day, I can go out on a track with the identical car to the AI, and half the time (or more!) I LOSE!

That's what happens in real racing. YOU LOSE! A lot...

And, it happens in other racing games, a lot! What is the more 'realistic' sim? Me, I'd say the game where you don't have to tie one arm behind your back, just to give the AI a chance! Running race after race, to try and find the PERFECT underpowered car is insane That's the game developer's job! You aren't expected to INVENT the rules of chess, trying out a myriad of combinations of each piece's possible move, to try to achieve a balanced game in the end (and failing, time after time). No... the rules of chess have been worked out, and we stick to them.

But that's what PD have done. "Here's a box of cars, and some tracks. Now YOU figure out what the best balance of challenge is"

That's laziness in the extreme. I don't know of any other racing game that allows this. And you know what? The complaints of 'Why can't I race my F1 car against a Fiat 500?' are almost completely absent. What has happened to the Gran Turismo franchise? GT4, GT3, they used to be challenging. Now, the only challenge in the game is finding where the challenge IS... And accepting that it can only come from racing cars almost twice your car's power.

I can't believe there are so many not only tolerating this, but actually LIKING it...

 

[maxpontiac]

I can't believe there are so many not only tolerating this, but actually LIKING it...

You are obviously playing the wrong game. 💡

 

[Destinkeys]

Sadly, on a PS3 (and I have a Mac, so computer racing sims are out, too), there's little choice. I will be on Shift Unleashed the day it comes out... But my problem is, I LIKE GT5's physics, but there's little else to like. Probably, I am going to have to tolerate less than perfect physics with Unleashed (mind you, GT5 is far from perfect too) to get all the challenge back. But what grinds my gears is, PD just don't seem to CARE...

Not only am I playing the wrong game, but I feel that, unless you like beating up on a defenseless cripple (that's the AI in a nutshell), you are playing the wrong game too!

 

[Mulan]

The main problem GT5 has is the amount of people willing to put up with what is a substandard (by PDs and GTs) standards game. Selfish people who can't see the hypocrisy and irony in complaining about people complaining!! GT5 will never improve enough with these people excusing every broken aspect of GT5s gameplay.

So true, and when you think there is a better solution you get attackjed by the same people claiming PD are gods and if they cant do it noone can.
Im hoping PD gets an kick in the ass and restores the confidence to users by making a game that looks good, sounds good, races good and is as close to real as possible. If they cant others can and i dont care, cant play GT5 just for the nostalgy of previous games.
Shift 2 will put GT5 in the rear mirror as it seems and i know they are planning the Shift3 already...Need For Speed is gone...but PD needs to speed up!

 

[Mulan]

Until you can race similarly spec'ed AI cars, and they be a challenge, IT'S NOT RACING. It's not a 'sim'.

If you have to drop down to a car that in real life wouldn't be allowed on the track because, IRL, it would cause wrecks by being so SLOW, just to have a competitive battle with the AI, the racing part of the game is an epic fail.

You bomb round corners twice as fast as the AI, then they overtake you on the straights (or you block them unrealistically)... where does this 'simulate' any racing YOU ever saw?

Personally, I have no problem with 'rubber-banding' the AI (not your DS3!), or allowing them 'cheats', if, at the end of the day, I can go out on a track with the identical car to the AI, and half the time (or more!) I LOSE!

That's what happens in real racing. YOU LOSE! A lot...

And, it happens in other racing games, a lot! What is the more 'realistic' sim? Me, I'd say the game where you don't have to tie one arm behind your back, just to give the AI a chance! Running race after race, to try and find the PERFECT underpowered car is insane That's the game developer's job! You aren't expected to INVENT the rules of chess, trying out a myriad of combinations of each piece's possible move, to try to achieve a balanced game in the end (and failing, time after time). No... the rules of chess have been worked out, and we stick to them.

But that's what PD have done. "Here's a box of cars, and some tracks. Now YOU figure out what the best balance of challenge is"

That's laziness in the extreme. I don't know of any other racing game that allows this. And you know what? The complaints of 'Why can't I race my F1 car against a Fiat 500?' are almost completely absent. What has happened to the Gran Turismo franchise? GT4, GT3, they used to be challenging. Now, the only challenge in the game is finding where the challenge IS... And accepting that it can only come from racing cars almost twice your car's power.

I can't believe there are so many not only tolerating this, but actually LIKING it...

True..but there are followers to GT that dont know anything else and they dont want to. Unfortunatelly PD seems happy with these kind of users.

 

[HugoReyes-8]

True..but there are followers to GT that dont know anything else and they dont want to. Unfortunatelly PD seems happy with these kind of users.

They are called "fanboys" on this site. They've been "blinded" by th PD marketing machine

 

[Destinkeys]

You always see the TRUE value of a game in the NEXT game anyone makes. GT5 was a success because GT4 was a great game. Not because it is any good. It is a success because of GT4.

GT6 has a VERY tough hill to climb. The people that loved GT4 are complaining about all the things missing, the lack of challenge, the lack of events, the grind it has turned into, the pointless loss of most of what made them enjoy GT4. And they won't be as willing to just HOPE that GT6 fixes it all. I see a very big drop in initial sales of GT6. People are going to want to see what they hate fixed BEFORE they buy it. I know I will...

I want a successor to GT4, not GT5!

 

[Zoom!Zoom!]

Have you played the game? With aids off, the physics feel awesome. Yes, Codemasters were trying to simulate the life of an F1 driver. They were also trying to simulate the physics of F1 cars, and they did a pretty good job of it.

I've not only play F1 2010 (have it for both ps3 and PC) but many Rfactor F1 and Iracing as well. F1 2010 physics is clearly a lot more forgiven than other F1 titles. The difference is as big as between RBR physics vs Dirt series. You can't even lock up the brakes unless you try to turn while braking at max.
Again CM has mention this from the start ( a year ago) that even with everything turn off there is still "aids" active in the game that can't be turn off. From the last I've read they are not planning to change this for F1 2011 either. They only mention they may be some differences in the PC version next year.

I hear the A.I. is supposed to be between FM3 and GT5 so I don't know.

Actually I think the AI is better than FM3 and GT5. Of course it easier to program an AI when you focus on a smaller set of cars (and tracks) like Race Pro/On does than a series like GT and Forza.

 

[Afro1989]

If your worried about engine sounds in the game, your not in it for the racing or the competition. You can buy a cd/mp3 filled with all your favorite car sounds if you want improved sounds. To say that everything else is minor is accepting what PD has put forth so far. I will take in game saves over car sounds along with alot of other missing things. Things that are not there at all is way more important. Sound is minor and can be tweaked. Missing features and the like, can't be tweaked because it not even available. The disappointments in the game should be due to the lack of content IMO.

Gripes/complaints=fixable tweaking
Missing information/features=disappointment, needs overhauling.

completely disagree with this. it may be because i'm a sound guy, but when the noises emanating from my '70 Challenger sound equal to those of a racer from the Sega Genesis days, it completely kills the heart & soul that is racing. SOUND and IMMERSION go together like bread and butter.

the good news is that GT5's physics completely destroy Forza 3's floaty/weightless physics. PD perfectly nailed the feeling of friction between rubber and tarmac. however, whether you're using $500 Sennheiser headphones with a tube amplifier or a top of the line Dolby surround system, the below average, lifeless, whiny, almost offensive engine sounds completely remove any sense of power & feeling behind these cars.

i could play the game on mute, but i'd rather wait for GT6...or GT20. seems like PD never has cared and never will care about the importance of sound. PD, YOU GUYS HAVE NEARLY MASTERED YOUR PHYSICS ENGINE. NOW THROW EVERY LAST BIT OF SOUND DESIGN YOU HAVE DONE SO FAR OUT THE WINDOW AND START FROM SCRATCH.

edit: the next time you play gt5, go to your GT mode garage, switch to a car and listen to how beautiful it sounds starting up. enough said. why can't they sound at least a LITTLE like that in-game?

 

[shirakawaa]

[...] PD perfectly nailed the feeling of friction between rubber and tarmac.

[...] PD, YOU GUYS HAVE NEARLY MASTERED YOUR PHYSICS ENGINE. NOW THROW EVERY LAST BIT OF SOUND DESIGN YOU HAVE DONE SO FAR OUT THE WINDOW AND START FROM SCRATCH.

Hmm... no.

While not exactly completely disappointing or unrealistic, physics in GT5 are far from perfect, though still good for a console title.
The tire model especially could be improved. Tire behavior at low speeds and slopes is noticeably flawed, for example.
Little is known about the temperature and contact patch model, but I don't feel it's very realistic. The effects of tire pressure changes do not appear to be simulated either. Flat spots when locking tires without the ABS (which is, by the way, not correctly simulater either) aren't simulated.
In GT5, when tires slide they don't seem to be grippy enough (otherwise, in many vehicles wild maneuvers at high speeds especially with the handbrake would result in catastrophic rollovers).
Tire consumption and loss of traction due to it still need to be fixed.
Tire flex isn't simulated, although it's possible that it's taken into account into the tire model.

I could list more things just for tires that PD didn't seem to get right or didn't bother to model. And it's just about tires!

But yes, by putting things into perspective GT5 approximates real life car physics and driving dynamics in a fairly decent manner for a console game/sim. The subtleties simulated by pc racing sims however are hard to be found in it.

 

[t.o.]

Actually I think the AI is better than FM3 and GT5. Of course it easier to program an AI when you focus on a smaller set of cars (and tracks) like Race Pro/On does than a series like GT and Forza.

It came in today (had to order online from Gamestop) and from the few races I've ran I can definitely say it's clearly better than GT5's A.I. Gotta play some more to see if I can say it tops Forza's. I'll go ahead and give it the nod because of the amount of cars on track and the A.I. still holding it together.

I don't think the amount of content is the factor. Something tells me whether they had 10 or 1000 cars seems like they take pride in the racing aspect of the game. Now the graphics..... lol. But once you're in the racing you really don't "see" the graphics. Let me tell you something, when I can have ACTUAL fun racing the Mini's I KNOW I'm in for a treat with Race Pro.

 

[eddiefumar]

definitely not disappointed with gt5 here...

 

[Afro1989]

Hmm... no.

all i meant to say was that sound IS important and that i definitely prefer GT's physics over Forza's.

GT sound has always been very sterile and robotic. GT5 is much the same.
None of the cars pop or crackle, the induction noises are weak. Some of the exhausts sound cool from outside the car at certain revs, but that's about as good as it get.

this sums it up perfectly.

 

[shirakawaa]

all i meant to say was that sound IS important and that i definitely prefer GT's physics over Forza's.

Of course sound is important and I do think too that they should be improved in several aspects (not only sound quality/accuracy, but also number of sources. Have a look at this thread: https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=182413).

However that doesn't affect the notion that physics are certainly not perfect in GT5.

 

[Tenacious D]

My god your naive. I suppose the Libyan's should just put up with Gaddafi as well? In a "democracy" it isn't the governments place to decide when the French people should stop working, unless it isn't as democratic as it proclaims to be. Yes, France is in trouble, but only because of the government and now you want the people to trust them?

Way to mix apples and genocide there, perfesser. Completely sound reasoning...

Yes, every country is in trouble because, like ancient Greece, the appetite of the citizens for "free lunches" provided by the government, and the nitwit politicians willing to provide them, eventually have to be paid for. Or haven't you noticed that democracies all over the globe have been trying to tell their people that they can't afford to keep handing out goodies, or pay for lavish union benefits, or that Social Security is going bankrupt...

Oh wait, you're the perfesser, you school me on how things are.

Your attitude reeks of either adolescence or idiocy. But when groveling at Kaz's feet is priority numero uno, people being oppressed by there government must be a small, petty issue for you.

If I agree with... whatever you said, do I get an A?

 

[mrcardio1]

For God's sake grow a pair of ballocks! If you don't like the game the doors that way mate --->
No ones forcing you to play GT5. What is it? Does it make you feel better to bitch and moan about it?
I swear I know 5 year olds who bitch and moan less when things aren't perfect.

 

[Jaywalker]

GT5 is worth every penny i have paid for it, in both game play and content. I admit we were spoilt with GT4's content in Aspec but i have had plenty of hours working my bob in Bspec to more than make up for it.

Some times people just knock stuff cos they can.

I didn't buy the game to watch 'Bob' race. The A spec section is ridiculously short. End of story.

 

[Jaywalker]

You speak of challenge, yet the events are all there, unrestricted! With a choice of 1000 cars, think of all the wacky different combinations you can challenge YOURSELF with! 💡💡💡

HERE'S WHAT I DO: Tune your car a little bit each time (this may take a while). If you lose the event, you need to tune some more! Repeat until you win the event by a small amount..... Yay!

Top tip: When you win the event, try taking off an upgrade and see if you can win again. Keep doing this til you decide it's no longer possible, and then RE-add the last part you took off, and jot down your new self-regulations in your Filofax! You will not have anything to show for it in game, but give YOURSELF a pat on the back. You won with your own tried and tested restrictions.... ....!! 👍

Good way to look at it, dude. 👍

 

[Devedander]

Yes, every country is in trouble because, like ancient Greece, the appetite of the citizens for "free lunches" provided by the government, and the nitwit politicians willing to provide them, eventually have to be paid for. Or haven't you noticed that democracies all over the globe have been trying to tell their people that they can't afford to keep handing out goodies, or pay for lavish union benefits, or that Social Security is going bankrupt...

Just thought I would chime in and say that the goverment shoudl be of the people, by the people and for the people which is why it makes no sense when statements like "the people expect free lunches from the government" make no sense... the government should BE the people and so should be providing the people as the people are where the government gets it's money.

And yes governments are doing exactly that... telling the people they can't afford the things the government is supposed to adminstier (again for the people)... but if you look at why they can't afford it, it's not because there isn't enough tax revenue generated, it's because that tax revenue is being funnelled off into all sorts of things that don't benefit the people but tend to benefit military and corporate interests (which are often one and the same or at lesat joined at the hip).

So in the same way alchoholic parents tell their kids they can't afford new shoes for school this year (while not discussing how the money for shoes was blown on bottles of vodka) governments are indeed telling the people there is no money for the people... they just aren't being honest why it's that way.

In the US for example:

But it's ok... it'll "trickle down" right?

 

[thefraggle123]

The whole grinding thing gets to me but other than that it was everything i expected.

The most disapointing thing for me is the negativity on the forum. I was only a lurker when GT5P was the game and things were so much better.

 

[dudejo]

If the people of this world don't all pull together, it's all going to be pulled apart, and not much longer from now.

sadly, that won't happen unless someone FORCES those changes to happen.

like Scott Walker from Wisconsin.

worker unions simply have too much power right now and it'll take someone who's willing to ignore the negative feedback that will result from the re-balancing of power

 

[parmi]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Stupidest comment ever. you cant compare those games to GT. it doesnt go that way.

GT5 is for people that have a passion and love for cars. and race them etc. nothing like yeah lets crash all cars and laugh about it. then you got it so wrong. GT series is a serious game........

Great comment 👍