is drifting faster?
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OK, maybe this will clear up a few things about what is faster. I recently went to a race track around the area for a racing class. We had one hour of theory, and what was important was to have a balanced car. This means no understeer and no oversteer. Also, the fastest possible way around a race track is to take the straightest possible line around a corner by using the apex. So for the ppl who think drifting is quicker, well the answer is NO! IT ISNT! I have proof from professional race car drivers. And we also had two hours to test this out on the race track with race cars. ( www.jimrussell.com ) I purposely tried to drift the car around a few corners( not excessively, take a look at the cars ), and i quickly realised that it is no match for straight out gripping.
Isnt it more fun to feel the lateral g-forces instead of letting it slip away?
Isnt it more fun to feel the lateral g-forces instead of letting it slip away?
T13R..There is a video on kazaa..and i'll be glad to send it to those who have Aim or something like that...And it shows a hachi roku drifting around a corner and on the split screen it has the SAME hachi roku gripping around the corner..And the Grip driver is much faster
- 2,987
i do not believe that it is correct to say that the best way through a turn is always the straightest way.... while this is true for most cases... and it is true that a path through the apex always makes the shortest route... you cannot say that grip is always the correct technique to use... i am not and never said that drifting is faster... at least that is not what i am trying to impress... all that i am trying to say is that grip is fast when you are near the limit of your cars ability to grip... i.e you are going as fast as possible without slip into a turn...following a certain radius at max possible centripetal acc... or baking and turning in the shortest amount of time without exceding our tires grip adn therefore conserving your tires... but many times in a race... including gt3... you find that the path that you wish to take is blocked by a slower car... one that must break sooner... or one that connot hold the same g's... in these cases it is useful to be able to employ slight slip angles to adjust and transfer your car between lines and such... drift also allows faster entry speeds adn on some corners allows a longer acceleration than in grip... it is in these instances that loosing grip will give that driver a greater versatility... not in a time attack... and... in gt3 i bet the driver who drifts on slicks will last a whole lot longer than the equivalent driver who grips on at least t4's (y drive grip on tires without any right...) in an ideal world and if people were only interesting in fast CORNER times then people would invest in perfecting their ability to maintain amxime grip on all four wheels which would involve many of the same skills as drifting such as weight trasfer... bla bla....but such skills are important to any person racing... and of sourse that same person would invest in perfecting line taking... not just aiming for the apex but practice minimizeing and maximizing entrance and exit speeds as well as time in the corener itself... all things that can be analyzed within the anaylze fast lap in gt3... both utilizing drift at higher speeds and perfecting grip take a great deal of practice... and i would not suggest changing you style of driving just because people do not deam it fast enough... i am sure that there are plently of people who use slight slip angles and drift full corners adn are much faster than some people who believe that they grip.... but that is a matter of skill not the fact of ideal cases in both... perfect lines are hard to come by in both cases...
i also think that feeling the g's that your car can hold and feeling your car slip around the corner are equally as exciting... and each have there individual merits... but then again while almost all cars can drift not all can hold 1 g on the skid pad... something only a few can achieve...
someone said somewhere that they should design cars to drift.... then they would be slow around corners... maybe not... cars should be designed to conquer corners with high velocity in small radius and the ability to react stabily to acceleration and decceleration in a turn at high or low velocity... but this of course whould be balanced with straight acc stablity... of course such a car would make an amazing drifter because of its gripping capabilities... it would mean higher speed drifts as well as higher speed utilization of grip...
by the way everyone should use all four tires evenly no matter what you are doing... i dont think i will come back here for a while...
sorry for hte long post
wanted to put my 2(000) cents in
i also think that feeling the g's that your car can hold and feeling your car slip around the corner are equally as exciting... and each have there individual merits... but then again while almost all cars can drift not all can hold 1 g on the skid pad... something only a few can achieve...
someone said somewhere that they should design cars to drift.... then they would be slow around corners... maybe not... cars should be designed to conquer corners with high velocity in small radius and the ability to react stabily to acceleration and decceleration in a turn at high or low velocity... but this of course whould be balanced with straight acc stablity... of course such a car would make an amazing drifter because of its gripping capabilities... it would mean higher speed drifts as well as higher speed utilization of grip...
by the way everyone should use all four tires evenly no matter what you are doing... i dont think i will come back here for a while...
sorry for hte long post
wanted to put my 2(000) cents in
- 2,987
oh ic.. cool.. TME evo 6 looks tight... anyways something i forgot to add above or might have added and forgot...
i think it is easier to achieve the same level of grip on the ground by slightly loosing grip than by going right to the limit of grip... or maybe that is just me being stupid and not really knowing when the car will slip... oh well no biggie... no one cares anyways....
y doesnt someone post there times... honestly in certain corners and list style of driving... if you do so please be extremely careful when describing driving style
i think it is easier to achieve the same level of grip on the ground by slightly loosing grip than by going right to the limit of grip... or maybe that is just me being stupid and not really knowing when the car will slip... oh well no biggie... no one cares anyways....
y doesnt someone post there times... honestly in certain corners and list style of driving... if you do so please be extremely careful when describing driving style
