Lemons to Le Mans Tuesday Series

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I'll post some ideas up after tonights Wednesday race. I've been thinking about some things...
 
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Vol Jbolaz
I'm sorry. I'll get over it.

I was very excited at the beginning of the season. The first race I didn't wreck at all. I only finished 8 out of 12, but I count it as a solid victory. The rest of the season has just gone downhill for me. There is always next race/season.

Everyone else, put forward your ideas, perhaps in a list that is easy for Huyler to copy and paste, so he can put them in the questionnaire.
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That's the spirit! Always look forward. :) Btw..I kinda read this as:

Vol Jbolaz
I'm sorry. (Blah blah blah.) I'll get over it. (Rinse/repeat.)

I was very excited at the beginning of the season. The first race I didn't wreck at all. I only finished 8 out of 12, but I count it as a solid victory. The rest of the season has blah blah blah. There is always next race/season. (yay!)
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Stop focusing on wrecks, and think about the good laps..hell just think about the good corners. If you do bin the car, on your next lap out, don't be in a rush to charge into corners...take your time - the car can only go so fast, even if you want desperately to make up lost ground. Consistency wins.

In the end, this is about racing your race, and not trying to keep up with the guys you can't/don't expect to beat. If your skills aren't up to scratch, then come 5th or 6th out of 11, and be happy with that! You beat 5 or 6 guys afterall... Work on getting up to a podium finish in at least one race, by the end of the season (either because your car is a rocket @ Monza, or you've finally nailed "that turn" every single lap you've run in a race, and shaved seconds off your laptime).

With respect to Huyler's comments about heavy on/off the throttle and brake, if you watch my replay, you'll notice that I rarely if ever take my foot off full throttle, but I use left foot braking to trail-brake into the apexes, and gradually out of a turn. If you can get that down, you'll always be in a nice rev-range to rocket out of turns...really helps. It's also a great way to turn your abs and tcs down/off and manage the car through feathered inputs vs heavy feet. The process is usually 10% on to set the pads, bring it gradually up to 70-100% braking effort, and trail off as you set your entry line..if you've done it right, you shouldn't have to touch the brakes once they're off.

I learned a lot by doing the first 18 or so WRS events when GT5 came out - both that I'm nowhere near as fast as the aliens, and that it's ok to race my race and compete with guys who are near my caliber instead. Just let the fast/smooth/consistent guys like huyler and BTK take the lead, and run a clean race, as well as you can.

In practice at La Sarthe, work on gradual braking/throttle inputs..if your first few laps aren't as fast as they can be, that's no big deal...ramp it up as you get better at it.

Btw...I ran a 4'30.6xx in my lounge this evening! I only did it once tho...and haven't come close since :P
 
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chuyler1
...and the finale of the epic battle betwen Sl3ight and I.
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I notice at the end the best times...it looks like the top 8 were less than a second apart. ( I was 8th with 1:47.4xx)

Did I get 7th in the race? I thought I was 8th? When did I pass Geezer?
 
Yeah, I switched to the live-timer that so we could see best times. It was a very close race as far as vehicle+driver were concerned. At the beginning of the race you see me bringing up the rear of the front pack. I was only keeping up via the draft and some aggressive braking to make sure I didn't lose it. I figured I could probably take on a few cars in front of me once they lost their draft but I had to be patient and wait for things to iron out. I wasn't trying to make any pass attempts the whole first stint. Only when sl3ight's tires wore down did i realize I could get by him and maybe pull away.

I think my best laps were mid-run when sl3ight's tires were getting worn enough for me to draft every straight section of the track...but before his tires were so worn that he was slowing me down.

Although I know people don't really like Monaco, I think it is a great equalizer between skill levels. I'm certain i could run blazing fast times in some of the other driver's cars, but I was relegated to finding time in the corners to keep up.
 
I love Monaco. I'm sad I missed the race. Stupid electricity.
 
pyxen
I ran a 4'30.6xx in my lounge this evening! I only did it once tho...and haven't come close since :P
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You're on my list:

People to draft:
GTP_Pyxen
 
People to draft:
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chuyler1

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I'll whip up a poll for next season soon. I think we will take a week off to allow drivers plenty of time to experiment with vehicles. I was thinking 385pp, but 400 might allow for greater variety compared to what drivers ran this season.

I may not participate in both nights again though. It's too much non-stop driving for my eyes.
 
I just want too say this before we go into the last race.
Chuyler/Sleight. I wish you both good luck at La Sarthe, and I look forward to a very close finish in points.

Also, there is a good chance, the top 3 car's will be in a tie for first. If so, how will we decide?
 
BTK
Also, there is a good chance, the top 3 car's will be in a tie for first. If so, how will we decide?
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Fight to the death.
 
Roshambeau!

Wow that's funny, if Sl3ight wins and BTK takes second, and I finish 10th or worse...it'll be a 3-way tie!

I need 9th to stop sl3ight and 5th to stop BTK (assuming they are in a position to place first). Miata, Geezer, and Diabolic are out of the running for the championship, but they'll be racing hard for that first place spot too. In fact, everyone on the board has an easy chance of placing above me if they just keep their cars on the track. I think you guys are going to have one hell of a race.

I don't think a tie-breaker race would be fair since its obvious my car will be slower on tuesday and slower on any subsequent races. I suppose we could take our cars and set a pp limit for a final race or something.
 
Or we could just simply claim two driver's are champions, but it doesn't matter too me.
 
I've been sorting the spreadsheet in such a way that if people were tied in points, then the one that received the least amount of cash for the season was above the one that received more. The idea being, of the two, the one that had less to spend placed higher, on average, in races during the season.

If a person is tied for both points and available cash, then I don't know what to do.
 
I like that way of doing it, Garris....kind of like a goals against average :)

....erm, for you guys maybe a '3 point percentage', or 'batting average' would be a better comparison. ;)

I think I'd enjoy a 400pp series next time...and a week off would be good. I've been snatching up used cars that are below 400, so hopefully that'll work out. If not, do you guys just sit there going thru license tests and back to the UCD until you find cars that work ?
 
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pyxen
If not, do you guys just sit there going thru license tests and back to the UCD until you find cars that work ?
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That's what I do. I've been snatching up cars, too.

I don't know if I want 385 or 400. Honestly, I'm sure I can find great cars at either. I was thinking of FR, but I don't know.

I like the team idea, in which case I'll drive whatever. But I don't know if that will fly.

I like the idea of a same-make preseason race, maybe 45 minutes long, where we set the car picking order. The problem is, I think the loser should get first pick of car. I want to give the winner something, but I don't know what.
 
Vol Jbolaz
I like the idea of a same-make preseason race, maybe 45 minutes long, where we set the car picking order. The problem is, I think the loser should get first pick of car. I want to give the winner something, but I don't know what.
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I really like this idea! Loser gets first pick of car (within a certain time), and winner gets free window weight reduction. ;)

Would it be reverse order on picking, or loser first, and everyone else random?
 
Some random thoughts:

(1) Due to long lap time, room entry, visibility problems or repeat qualifying at LeMans like we had at Monaco would be awful.

(2) Is there a rolling start option at LeMans?

(3) For future events.
I ran in a WSCC series recently with qualifying grid start into no passing warm up lap with post race penalties for contact or passing until exit of first turn on lap two. Worked well and felt very "real race" like. Although weaving to much to heat the tires proved to be trouble for some drivers LOL.

GTP OLR rules during "parade lap" would be fine for us.

The L to L concept has been the must fun and challenging series in my GT5 career so far.
When we started I didn't fully appreciate the endurance aspect. It's really helped my driving and highlighted my weakness and strengths.
I love driving a non maxed out car. For me full mods and limiter give every car the same set of issues to overcome and the character of the car is lost.

Can't wait to see whats next!
 
The Point of the Lemons is too be challenging, at 400pp there are so many car's that I don't think finding a fast one would be difficult. I don't mind 385, or even 375, but I just don't like the idea of 400. Too easy.
 
Bender, i think we are on the same page, i love working with the stock suspension and transmission and upgrading piece meal...you just cant do that with regular pp based racing.
 
bender2011
Some random thoughts:

(1) Due to long lap time, room entry, visibility problems or repeat qualifying at LeMans like we had at Monaco would be awful.

(2) Is there a rolling start option at LeMans?

(3) For future events.
I ran in a WSCC series recently with qualifying grid start into no passing warm up lap with post race penalties for contact or passing until exit of first turn on lap two. Worked well and felt very "real race" like. Although weaving to much to heat the tires proved to be trouble for some drivers LOL.

GTP OLR rules during "parade lap" would be fine for us.

The L to L concept has been the must fun and challenging series in my GT5 career so far.
When we started I didn't fully appreciate the endurance aspect. It's really helped my driving and highlighted my weakness and strengths.
I love driving a non maxed out car. For me full mods and limiter give every car the same set of issues to overcome and the character of the car is lost.

Can't wait to see whats next!
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1) We should do visibility checks at 9:30 when the room is reset.

2 and 3) No. There is no rolling start option at all. The first season of L2L we did do parade laps. Maybe we can vote for that for the 3rd season.

I completely understand, BTK.

Pyxen, I was thinking of reverse car picking order. But people would just sandbag the race for car picking. There needs to be a really good incentive for finishing well.

Regardless, I will try hard to win. I likely won't. I don't feel guilty though, cause I'm not likely to pick one of the super hot cars that others want (any of the MRs for example).
 
I think I'm actually with miata, BTK and huyler on this one...375 has been a boat load of fun. This has certainly been *much* more fun than the WRS. As soon as I started with you lot, I forgot all about the WRS :)

I had gotten into a rut, where it was 1 car, 1 track, as much as possible whenever I was playing for a week..this series took my mind off that, and gave me the option to do whatever I wanted, which brought 'the love' back.

Honestly have to say thanks...As stated above L2L is top notch!

Oh, and if we kept the laps low or the time of race shorter..like 45 mins I guess, you could try and get best laps, and rank people based on that too, somehow..or average of slowest and fastest lap..most consistent laptimes, etc..not sure it's possible without serious work tho.

Actually, I guess you'd just have to watch the lap timer for 45 minutes and record the laptimes as people cross the line..if we raced something like the nurburgring for 5 laps (45 mins with a car ~400-450pp?) it wouldn't be that many numbers to record.
 
I'd say bump it up to 385 or 390...
 
What do you have you want to use?
 
385 allows a handful more cars. 390 a few more. 400 is a game changer as none of the cars from this season will be competitors. Whatever we pick, I really hope there isn't a dead ringer like this season. I really feel the MG should have been rated with higher PP. It has dominated both Tuesday and Wednesday series and the only reason Bowtie isn't in first place is because he got disconnected the first race and missed a race...yet he is still in contention for the championship. Aside from Sl3ight it appears that FF cars simply weren't good for the long run. Managing tires is simply too difficult on these tracks...although I might give it a shot next season to see how I do with it.

I'm not really feeling this "team" concept...primarily because not everyone shows up each week. What's the point of tracking team stats when it will basically come down to the frequent flyers winning for simply showing up.

I also think the race length is a bit long. It really pushes tire strategy and allows the FF cars to add in an extra pit stop with plenty of time to make back lost time...but on some races, the running order can be decided after just a few laps and drivers are stuck racing alone for an hour+. Perhaps 1hr length races is sufficient? It all comes down to how important you want pit strategy to be.
 
Maybe we can run a couple of races in one night, maybe a couple of half-hour heats?
 
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The "heat" idea is a good way to shorten the races, but I think they will generally end up with the same results since its not like we can do much tuning between races.
 
chuyler1
The "heat" idea is a good way to shorten the races, but I think they will generally end up with the same results since its not like we can do much tuning between races.
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And I do want the race long enough that pits matter. I think 60 minutes isn't too short.
 
We could do weight addition for the second heat to even things out.
 
My reason for suggesting 385 or 390pp is mainly just to make sure we don't see the same cars we have this season. Just a way to make sure it stays fresh.

I'd be good with hour long races, as long as we have a mandatory pit stop.

I'd also suggest using the F1 points system.
 
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What's the F1 points system?

Even with an hour race, I think pit stops don't have to be manditory...No one has completed a race, either season, without making at least one stop. SohnVonStig tried it a few times last season and he came close but its not the fastest way around the track. It pays off to butcher your tires and pit when they wear down. Although I'll admit I was holding back at Monaco waiting for Sl3ight's tires to wear down. I was still going to be on the same pit schedule, but I wanted to make sure I had enough tire for a late race pass.

We definitely should do something other than 375. I think it's a question of whether we do 385, 390, or 400.
 
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