Lotus Carlton question

[Famine]

I'd have been a replica, you wouldn't want to respray a limited edition Lotus would you?

That's actually not strictly true. There was at least one Lotus Carlton supplied, from the factory, in silver.

Does anybody know what days these come up for sale on the game?

I do. Check the "Used Car Cycles 1-40 - PAL only" thread.

 

[eliseracer]

I've seen it come up at least 3 seperate times in the 100 week cycle (car lot A). I thought it was ultra rare when I saw them, so I bought two incase one conked out on me, but I suppose that won't happen. I don't really drive mine that often, but when I need some superduper throttle-oversteer, I just reach for the Carlton and settle my problems.

I do beleive day 294 has it, if my memory from 3 weeks ago is that good (day 994 etc)

 

[GrandpaLonghair]

ATTENTION ENGLISH DUDES: This Lotus Carlton also appears in the North American version of GT4. I thought this car was awsome, & didn`t know Lotus ever made such a thing. So, from what I`ve gathered on this thread, this particular Lotus is very rare and/or expensive(the real life version I mean). If one of you English guys could or would post more info about this car I`d really appreciate it 👍 . Thanks in advance.


P.S.- Ya don`t have to be English, but since Lotuses are, I`d take an English perspective as gospel.

 

[eliseracer]

Hahah.

My Carltons are on the North American version as well.

They aren't expensive at all. Check the website that was given earlier on in this thread for more info. The ones on that site are going for less that 20,000 Euros, which is close to the same thing as 20K$ US. Hey, Canadians can import and drive them legally if they are 1990 models. I am not sure on how many were made (would be good to know, if anyone is real bored). "The Millenium Falcons of salloons" says EVO. I love that bunch.

Speaking of EVO magazine and GT4, the Caterham Fireblade in GT4 was modeled and photographed off of the actual Fireblade that one of the editors of EVO owns.

 

[amp88]

http://forum.gamer.no/index.php?showtopic=391004&st=40

Post #56

 

[gsavill90]

ATTENTION ENGLISH DUDES: This Lotus Carlton also appears in the North American version of GT4. I thought this car was awsome, & didn`t know Lotus ever made such a thing. So, from what I`ve gathered on this thread, this particular Lotus is very rare and/or expensive(the real life version I mean). If one of you English guys could or would post more info about this car I`d really appreciate it 👍 . Thanks in advance.


P.S.- Ya don`t have to be English, but since Lotuses are, I`d take an English perspective as gospel.

Ok, some specs:
ENGINE:
-3615cc, in-line isx cylinder,
-Twin Cam, Four valves per cylinder,
-Twin Garret T25 Turbochargers 7-9 psi,
-Charge Cooled,
-377 bhp, 419 lb/ft torque,
TRANSMISSION:
-Rear-Wheel-Drive,
-ZF 6-speed gearbox (manual),
-Hydraulically operated single plate clutch,
SUSPENSION:
front -MacPherson struts with gas shocks and anti-roll bars,
rear -Semi-Trailing arms with variable rate coil springs, anti-roll bars, automaticaly leveling rear suspension system,
BRAKES:
-Dual Circuit, servo assisted, electronic ABS,
-330mm ventilated front disks with AP Racing four piston callipers,
-300mm ventilated rear disks with AP Racing two piston callipers,
WHEELS:
-8.5X17 inch front, and 9.5X17 inch rear, five spoke alloy wheels,
BODY/CHASSIS:
-1991 Vauxhall Carleton four-door saloon with Lotus developed front and rear lower bumpers, wheel arches, side body mouldings and boot spoiler.
-Imperial Green,
-Weight - 1680kg,
INTERIOR:
-Full leather interior,
-Lotus Carleton steering wheel,
-Numbered plaque on glove box lid,
Maximum price for a good example - £20,000, $40,000, but cars are expensive in the UK,

source- Fast Road and Track Day, April 2004.

 

[eliseracer]

In GT4, I was shopping around the Used Wheels section, and found a set of Elise Type 72 wheels, so now those are mounted on my Carlton. (almost) Black Carlton with gold 6-spokers (and they match, Lotus-Lotus)

 

[zonekill]

In GT4, I was shopping around the Used Wheels section, and found a set of Elise Type 72 wheels, so now those are mounted on my Carlton. (almost) Black Carlton with gold 6-spokers (and they match, Lotus-Lotus)

show some pics

 

[Pingzone]

Vauxhall Carlton

________
Vauxhall Omega

________
Opel Omega

_______

Strange the differences in names between Vauxhall and Opel.

Arn't they the same company?

 

[stumpydino]

yes they are the same company but the pics you show are of different years

 

[eliseracer]

Same company, yes.

In Europe, Opel=Vauxhall.
In the UK, Vauxhall=Opel.

If I can get a decent picture with my digital camera of the Carlton, I'd show you guys. I don't have any flash drives or wahtever.

 

[moosifer]

Lotus has some connections with Vauxhall (for example, the Vauxhall VX220 is basically just a Lotus Elise chassis with a different body) and in the early 90's Lotus upgraded their Carlton. I read somewhere that the Lotus Carlton was the fastest 4-seater car in the world, but I doubt it still holds this record.

It was the fastest production saloon, and can still pretty much hold its own against modern day equivalents.

When it launched in the UK, the Daily Mail newspaper had a campaign to have the Lotus Carlton banned from the roads because of its performance.

Today you can pick one up for cheap money, although if they go bang you'll be in for some not-so-cheap repair bills

 

[eliseracer]

The connections with Vauxhall are through GM, who own around 20% of Lotus, I think. The rest is Proton. The same deal that got the VX220/Speedster got the Lotus Carlton and that also got the suspension revision of the Asuna Sunfire (oh exciting...).

 

[moosifer]

The connections with Vauxhall are through GM, who own around 20% of Lotus, I think. The rest is Proton. The same deal that got the VX220/Speedster got the Lotus Carlton and that also got the suspension revision of the Asuna Sunfire (oh exciting...).

Wrong - GM havent had an ownership stake in Lotus for a long while now. Proton own 100% of Lotus these days.

The reason that Lotus built the VX220/Speedster is because they have the experience of building that type of vehicle.

 

[Cybermonkey24]

The connections with Vauxhall are through GM, who own around 20% of Lotus, I think. The rest is Proton. The same deal that got the VX220/Speedster got the Lotus Carlton and that also got the suspension revision of the Asuna Sunfire (oh exciting...).

Lotus also fettled with suspension on all Sport variants of the Vauxhall Corsa, both 1.4 16v and 1.6 16v. Although in reality, it was just a gimmick, since my T reg Corsa Sport 1.6 still handled like a complete barge

 

[Pingzone]

I cant believe Proton own Lotus?

Thats like Lada owning Ferrari?


:S

 

[The Porko]

Lada dont own Ferrari i believe Fiat own Ferrari.

 

[gt3freak_2001]

Same company, yes.

In Europe, Opel=Vauxhall.
In the UK, Vauxhall=Opel.

If I can get a decent picture with my digital camera of the Carlton, I'd show you guys. I don't have any flash drives or wahtever.

Just to add:

In Australia, Opel & Vauxhall=Holden

lol @ the Opel/Vauxhall Senator, our version is the Holden Statesmen VN so we really do have a lot of connections with Opel/Vauxhall.

 

[Cybermonkey24]

Holden and Opel/Vauxhall share many many connections! namely those with shared chassis'

by porko

"Lada dont own Ferrari i believe Fiat own Ferrari."

i think the guy above was making a sarcastic comment, rather than saying that lada owns ferrari.

And Lotus/Proton did a fantastic job on the Proton Satria GTi.

 

[JBR-Man]

Just to add:

In Australia, Opel & Vauxhall=Holden

lol @ the Opel/Vauxhall Senator, our version is the Holden Statesmen VN so we really do have a lot of connections with Opel/Vauxhall.

Just to add more:

In South America - Except Chile i guess (correct me i am wrong), Opel & Vauxhall= Chevrolet.

 

[incredible]

Just to add more:

In South America - Except Chile i guess (correct me i am wrong), Opel & Vauxhall= Chevrolet.

Opel is part of GM

 

[eliseracer]

The reason that Lotus built the VX220/Speedster is because they have the experience of building that type of vehicle.

WTF? Since when does that work in any business sector anywhere, ever? They have experience? So if I'm good at winning poked tournaments then people don't come to me and ask me for my winnings. Smack on new design (from the bottom of the windows, down) and a new motor and you have a Speedster. You don't just go and make cars for other companies...

Lotus was also rumoured to have a part in making a follow-up to the Carlton recently with another Vaux model, but it was released as a Vaux sportier model.

Lotus also assembled the Tommy Kaira ZZII, that nobody other than GT players knows about.

 

[helseth]

Lotus Carlton/Omega is basically a Corvette ZR1 chasis with a Charlton body. Vauxhall, Opel, Holden, Chevrolet, Lotus and m.m. are owned by GM.

Vauxhall originaly produced original cars with no similarities to Opel, but was bought up by Opel a looong time ago. Then Opel was bought by GM back in the eighties.

 

[spudboy]

Lotus Carlton/Omega is basically a Corvette ZR1 chasis with a Charlton body. Vauxhall, Opel, Holden, Chevrolet, Lotus and m.m. are owned by GM.

Vauxhall originaly produced original cars with no similarities to Opel, but was bought up by Opel a looong time ago. Then Opel was bought by GM back in the eighties.

some really funny posts in here

before i start, just found this, not vauxhall related but still freaky! a new mk1 golf?

here

lotus and proton both sponsor a footy team in uk called norwich city, the home strip has a proton badge, the away kit has a lotus badge

there used to be a really close tie between vauxhall/opel and daewoo, they produced a car called the daewoo racer (see pic)

it is identical to the astra/kaddett saloon

daewoo went on to have the design for the nexia straight from the mk2 astra!

i cant agree on the corvette chassis idea? that would just be too much of a bad idea, the police used to use the omega/senator 3.0 24v verisons for motor/high way patrols, they were out run by a lotus carlton, which had incidentally reversed through a shop window, robbed the place then drove off, with all the damage to the rear of the car from the shop incident it still managed to outrun the police and a helicopter and they were never caught, think they outran the helicopter cos of the time it took the copter to get airborne.

my mate who used to work for a body shop used to get the omega's in for engine repairs, seems they like hitting the rev limiter a lot as police men, they would maybe rebuild one every couple of months, he got to test them out and they were quick but handled really badly, the lotus version obviously didnt

other lotus cars:

lotus sunbeam, rally/race version of the talbot (peugeot group) sunbeam
lotus cortina, rally/race version of the ford cortina road car

 

[ukoldschool]

Lotus Carlton/Omega is basically a Corvette ZR1 chasis with a Charlton body.

Sorry - but thats rubbish.

A corvette is a nice looking car stuck onto an old truck chassis (it even still has cart springs on the back... hehehe... )

A Lotus Carlton shares the majority of its rear suspension with the Carlton 3000 GSi 24v, independent multi link with Macpherson struts with twin tube dampers..... thats why a Lotus Carlton will stomp all over any corvette (except maybe one of those callaway jobbies)
You may be getting confused by the fact that Lotus developed the engine for the ZR1, and the Lotus Carlton used the gearbox from the ZR1.

Not sure if its been pointed out yet but all Lotus Carltons were actually built by Lotus, and have a Lotus chassis plate - hence they are manufactured by Lotus not Vauxhall/Opel

Ive had the pleasure of a Lotus carlton in the flash. Its was quite a rush doing 179mph clockwise on the M25 at 3am...... the way you go past other cars doing say 100mph is just amazing........ Its the fastest car ive ever driven in my life (so far). for such a big car it handled p;retty well, the clutch was heavy though so I wouldnt want to drive it round town for long.......

Oh, and to address the original post: The Senator was basically the same car as the Carlton/Omega but it had a different front & rear end and a different interior. Engines and performance all pretty much the same (except the senator was a bit heavier).

On the VX220 arguement, its true that GM dont own any of Lotus any more.
Vauxhall wanted to make a 2 seater sports car and they approached Lotus as they already had the technology ready to run. The Ironic thing is - the VX220 is a far better car than an Elise (save the exige) as the vauxhall 2.2 (2.0 turbo) is a far batter suited engine than the rather asthmatic old rover K series engine (as used in Mini Metro's and other rover **** boxes), and its the VX220 thats saved Lotus from going bust again as the deal they have with Vauxhall is etremely lucrative... and even more bizzarely, the Vauxhall VX is actually cheper than an equivalent Elise......

Lotus - Lots Of Trouble Usually Serious........

 

[eliseracer]

Amen.

The VX did save Lotus. Now with the 111R, sales worldwide are completely overflowing the factory, as the alloted number of cars for each market is completely high. Looking good for Lotus, although they don't necessarily have a lot of time or workforce for extensive development onupcoming models. I'd say they should get a better PR dept before investigating other model lineup options. The current PR system is complete crap.

Lotus wasn't looking good, but they still have many other automotive/technology contracts and employment around to still be able to go on.

Lotus - loving oversteer, tip-top uber-suspension.

 

[akak]

Looks alot like my mums old vauxhall belmont

So who the hell made this car first im getting confused?

I still miss this car had a great little engine, slight problem with the handbrake getting stuck on in cold weather not a nice experience


We had a yellow one

 

[incredible]

Opel GT 1900

 

[Famine]

Akak - A Vauxhall by any other name...

The Vauxhall Belmont (which is essentially an Astra saloon) and the Opel Kadett saloon are identical, but in different markets - the Vauxhall was in the UK, the Opel was in the rest of Europe. Had they put the car out elsewhere, it'd have been badged as a Holden in Australia and a GM brand in the USA.


ukoldschool - don't forget that the "wheezy old" K-series Rover engine, the first production engine to exceed 1hp/lb, has been replaced in the Elise by the 1.8 VVTi from the Celica.

 

[gsavill90]

I just got one of these bad boys, 655 bhp. Its available around day 1116 , just incase anybodies about then. Kept it standard outside, its a really nice car, i love it. Oh, and i rally in it too