Master List of Cars With Incorrect Specifications

Discussion in 'Gran Turismo 5' started by Tornado, Mar 17, 2011.

  1. Tornado

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    In order to have all of this in one place (rather than multiple topics about it), and so it can easily be found in the future, here is the thread I promised for compiling car statistics by PD that are incorrect. Any new info will be edited with a link in the OP grouped with similar vehicles (for example, cars with weight discrepancies will be grouped together, cars with power discrepancies will be grouped together, cars improperly localized will be grouped together, and etc.).

    My hope is not only for this to lower clutter on the GT5 forum, but hopefully also get all of this information in one place so there is a better chance of it being noticed and corrected (as PD have recently been fixing a few cars with recent patches, such as the Mercedes CLK-LM and Audi R10).
    Fours notes:
    • Because of the way GT5 handles power with oil changes and whatnot, please try to compare power numbers as reasonably close to stock as possible. For example, if the car is new, compare the numbers of the car as it appears in the garage when you buy it, before you do an oil change. If the car is used, perform an oil change but do not rebuild the engine. For this reason, only substantial differences will be recorded on the list.
    • Please present each inaccuracy in game with a reputable source regarding what the weight should be. Wikipedia is not a valid source. MSN Autos is a good source, with information for cars going back to 1985, but only for American cars. Manufacturers websites are also good sources, but make sure you get the correct weight number. The best source would be if you have an owner's manual for the cars in question.
      To help people understand who enter the thread, please post the relative garage data link on MyGranTurismo.net as well.
    • JDM cars are iffy because of how many of them violated the Gentlemen's Agreement. If you think a JDM car in the game has incorrect specifications, please provide a link that absolutely proves you are correct.
    • Some cars are very obviously incorrect (like the Volvo 240GLT), but directly comparable statistics are hard to come by. In an example like that, just post the statistics of the closest possible model for comparison. If you can't do that, post the specs for the car in GT5, and then post a sentence or so explaining why they are incorrect. Please do example #2 and #3 only if the information in game is obviously false.
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    [SIZE="4"]Example of Proper Structure:[/SIZE]
    [B][URL="http://www.mygranturismo.net/car_sheet.php?id=392"]Car: 2000 USDM Lexus GS300[/URL][/B]
    
    [B]GT5 Specifications[/B]
    Weight: 1680kg
    Power: 295HP
    Torque: 358lb.ft.
    
    [B]Real Life Specifications[/B]
    Weight: 1654kg
    Power: 220HP
    Torque: 220lb.ft.
    
    [URL="http://autos.msn.com/research/vip/Spec_Glance.aspx?year=2000&make=Lexus&model=GS%20300/400&trimid=92014"]Linky[/URL]. (Direct Comparison)
    
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    [SIZE="4"]Example of Estimation:[/SIZE]
    [B][URL="http://www.mygranturismo.net/car_sheet.php?id=1029"]Car: 1988 Volvo 240GLT[/URL][/B]
    
    [B]GT5 Specifications[/B]
    Weight: 1890kg
    Power: 131HP
    Torque: 145lb.ft.
    
    [B]Real Life Specifications (USDM 1988 Volvo 240 DL Wagon)[/B]
    Weight: 1385kg
    Power: 114HP
    Torque: 145lb.ft.
    
    [URL="http://autos.msn.com/research/vip/Spec_Glance.aspx?year=1988&make=Volvo&model=240%20Wagon"]Linky[/URL]. (Estimation)
    
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    [SIZE="4"]Example of car with Incorrect Spec Where Proper Specs Can't be Found:[/SIZE]
    [b][URL="http://www.mygranturismo.net/car_sheet.php?id=845"]Car: Shelby Series One Supercharged[/URL][/b]
    
    [B]GT5 Specifications[/B]
    Weight: 1202kg
    Power: 320HP
    Torque: 295lb.ft.
    
    Reason Specs Are Incorrect: Specifications used are of NA Shelby Series One rather than those of the supercharged model.


    Make sure you note if your post is an estimation or direct comparison. If you need to convert units, here is a very useful tool for doing so. To convert Pounds to KG you simply divide by 2.2.








    List of Cars with Incorrect Weight:
    List of Cars with Incorrect Power:




    List of Cars Improperly Localized:
    List of Cars with Incorrect Name:
    List of Cars Improperly Modeled Transmissions:

    List of Cars with Misc. Problems:
     
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  2. Tornado

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    Car: 2000 USDM Lexus GS300

    GT5 Specifications
    Weight: 1680kg
    Power: 295 HP
    Torque: 358 lb.ft.

    Real Life Specifications
    Weight: 1654kg
    Power: 220 HP
    Torque: 220 lb.ft.

    Linky. (Direct Comparison)

    Car: 1989 USDM Nissan 300ZX

    GT5 Specifications
    Weight: 1510kg
    Power: 281 HP
    Torque: 291 lb.ft.

    Real Life Specifications
    Weight: 1552kg
    Power: 300 HP
    Torque: 307 lb.ft.

    Linky. (Direct Comparison)

    Car: 1988 Volvo 240GLT

    GT5 Specifications
    Weight: 1890kg
    Power: 131 HP
    Torque: 145 lb.ft.

    Real Life Specifications (USDM 1988 Volvo 240 DL Wagon)
    Weight: 1385kg
    Power: 114 HP
    Torque: 145 lb.ft.

    Linky. (Estimation)


    Car: Shelby Series One Supercharged

    GT5 Specifications
    Weight: 1202kg
    Power: 320 HP
    Torque: 295 lb.ft.

    Reason Specs Are Incorrect: Specifications used are of NA Shelby Series One rather than those of the supercharged model.
     
    Last edited: Mar 17, 2011
  3. BigMackAttack

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    The Corvette 54 and Silverado have had switched descriptions since GTPSP
     
  4. Greycap

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    I might as well put those 240 specs right for good, MSN Autos still has every value more or less wrong. Sources used? The registration document and owner's manual of my own 240GL '92.

    Car: Volvo 240GLT '88.

    GT5 Specifications
    Weight: 1890kg
    Engine displacement: 2300cc
    Power: 131HP @ 6000rpm
    Torque: 145lb/ft @ 3000rpm

    Real Life Specifications (European spec 1992 Volvo 240 GL Estate)
    Weight: 1340kg
    Engine displacement: 2316cc
    Power: 116HP @ 5400rpm
    Torque: 136lb/ft @ 2700rpm

    For more explanation, virtually the only difference between a GL and a GLT is the suspension - the GLT uses the same as the former Turbo versions. All the specs between them are the exact same on these late production models.
     
  5. Tornado

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    I'm not talking about the car descriptions. Far too many of them are total crazy crap to even attempt to correct them. I'm talking about in-game specifications.
     
  6. BigMackAttack

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    Still should be stated. Wouldn't be that hard to flip em
     
  7. Tornado

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    1996 USDM Nissan 240SX

    GT5 Specifications
    Weight: 1250kg
    Power: 221 HP
    Torque: 205 lb.ft.

    Real Life Specifications
    Weight: 1252kg
    Power: 155 HP
    Torque: 156 lb.ft.

    Linky. (Direct Comparison)

    Any chance we could get a picture (of the latter, obviously), for legitimacy's sake?
     
  8. Eunos_Cosmo

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  9. Greycap

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    Pictures of my car? Sure. Here's the car and here's the proof - I believe a shot of a matching wheel with the keys for the car and a name tag does it. Unless you meant something else by "the latter" but I can't figure out what that would be.
     
  10. Tornado

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    You're correct. PD apparently noted the dry weight down as the curb weight. They did the same with the Miura it seems.


    1967 Lamborghini Miura P400

    GT5 Specifications
    Weight: 980kg
    Power: 357 HP
    Torque: 275 lb.ft.

    Real Life Specifications
    Weight: 1293kg
    Power: 350 HP
    Torque: 271 lb.ft.

    Linky. (Direct Comparison)




    1974 Lamborghini Countach LP400

    GT5 Specifications
    Weight: 1065kg
    Power: 382 HP
    Torque: 267 lb.ft.

    Real Life Specifications
    Weight: 1301kg
    Power: 375 HP
    Torque: 268 lb.ft.

    Linky. (Direct Comparison)


    The 25th Anniversary model looks accurate, though.


    I just meant a picture of the page in the owner's manual, or the plate on the door jam.
     
  11. Rudenut

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    Lister Storm is off in weight. HP seems close and torque is spot on.

    GT5 - 1438 kilo

    Real Car - 1100 kilo

    Multiple sources including lister
     
  12. DaihatsuDriver

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    Why is the Delorean listed as model year '04? Shouldn't that be fixed? I could be wrong, but I don't remember any deloreans sold new in 2004 :sly:

    Also the Daihatsu Cuore also has an 847cc engine rather then 660cc for what is worth.
     
  13. budious

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    The '04 model are specifications for a retuned version of the car offered by the DeLorean company that is responsible for upkeep and parts for the original models.
     
  14. r0llinlacs

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    Breakdown:
    JDM "Silvia" 240sx = SR20DE, 2.0 litre DOHC inline 4 cylinder
    USDM 240sx = KA24DE, 2.4 liter DOHC 16-valve inline 4 cylinder

    PD was too lazy to get a USDM KA24DE to get sounds and specs from.

    Every USDM 240sx in this game has the SR20DE, which is the engine JDM models come with. (You may as well list every USDM 240sx in the game, because not one of them has the right engine)

    This really ticked me off because my real car has the KA24DE, and I wanted to experience the sounds and performance of my engine in the game. But I guess PD, like everyone else, thinks the SR20 is better... :crazy:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-LFECM-OH0

    ^^ KA POWER! 7 second 1/4 mile, 1000+ hp.

    PD Give us the KA24DE!! I really wonder what they were thinking. The KA24 is a hell of an engine. Why they want to blatantly put the JDM engine in the USDM spec 240's, I don't know.

    /fail

    Oh, and another note.
    155hp, 156lb/ft is spot on for the KA24DE.

    However, PD's specs for the SR20DE are way off. The stock SR20DE only makes 135hp. Why PD thinks it makes 221, I don't know. Unless it's the SR20DET, but I doubt it.
    Seems like PD has their own case of SR20 fanboy-ism.
     
    Last edited: Mar 18, 2011
  15. ninjasansan

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    Might explain why the Lister is so slow.
     
  16. Zenith

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    Hm, I'm not sure about the implementation into this thread, but back in the late 60's and early 70's it was common for American manufacturers to intentionally underrate the amount of power their cars were producing to get around Health and Safety concerns in insurance, and everyone knew that the car makers were doing it. The 1969 Boss 429 Mustang (8.0 liter engine) was rated at 350hp. The real car produced well over 500bhp. Is PD using the underrated numbers as their official performance numbers for the 60's/70's muscle cars in game? I noticed that the 1969 Camaro Z/28 only produced 300 horsepower...
     
  17. GroupB

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    Spyker C8 Laviolette has a pretty big problem. Game lists it as FR (the oil change guy even goes under the front), but it is MR in real-life.
     
  18. Eunos_Cosmo

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    I think the KA24 is great for small pick ups, drag cars, and forklifts. For a sports car...not so sure. It's big, heavy, relatively low revving, rough, and doesn't have very good response in stock form. I don't really like the SR20 either. I don't like turbos. I'll take my 240SX with a VH45DE thank you very much. Oh and a side of ITB's as well. If that doesn't work, a 20B always will :)
     
  19. niky

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    Car: 2002 Mazda Protege

    GT5 Specifications
    Weight: 1170kg
    Power: 166 HP
    Torque: 128 lb.ft.

    Real Life Specifications (Protege / Protege MP3)
    Weight: 1170 - 1235kg
    Power: 130 - 140 HP*
    Torque: 135 - 142 lb.ft.

    Link. (Direct Comparison)

    Improperly localized. The Mazda Protege 02 is merely a LHD port of the Mazda Familia 02. Unfortunately, no Protege/Familia outside of Japan was ever offered with the 166 hp engine, or with the 4-speed automatic mated to a limited slip differential.

    The LSD was only available (on sporting models) for the US Mazdaspeed Protege, which had a 170 hp turbocharged engine mated to the 5-speed with a Tochigi Fuji LSD. The nearest analogue for the GT5 Protege in real life would be the US MP3, which had 140 hp, weight 1235kg (with subwoofer installed) and only came with an open-differential 5-speed. This was only available as a 2001 model, though.
     
  20. E30 Evo Sport

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    Car: Ferrari Enzo

    GT5 Specifications
    Weight: 1255kg

    Real Life Specifications
    Weight 1365kg

    Notes: GT5 used the dry weight.
    -http://www.rsportscars.com/ferrari/2002-ferrari-enzo/
    -http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enzo_Ferrari_(automobile)#Specifications
     
  21. r0llinlacs

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    I think it's great.

    I don't think 6500 RPMs is "low revving"

    Rough, because the motor mounts aren't the best, and it's not balanced.

    Big, yes. 2.4 liters of power. I'm not a fan of small engines.

    Heavy, yes. But it can take a hell of a beating, and a hell of a turbo boost.

    Stock response; 156 lb/ft at 4400rpm, 155hp at 5500.

    I'd say it responds plenty. The torque is relatively high all through out the power curve, so don't let the 4400rpm peak fool you.
     
  22. Tornado

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    Thanks for the new examples, everyone.


    2002 Ferrari Enzo

    GT5 Specifications
    Weight: 1255kg
    Power: 670 HP
    Torque: 493 lb.ft.

    Real Life Specifications
    Weight: 1365kg
    Power: 660 HP
    Torque: 485 lb.ft.

    Linky. (Direct Comparison)

    Weighs less than real life. PD took dry weight instead of curb weight.




    1995 Mitsubishi 3000GT SL

    GT5 Specifications
    Weight: 1610kg
    Power: 226 HP
    Torque: 205 lb.ft.

    Real Life Specifications
    Weight: 1523kg
    Power: 222 HP
    Torque: 217 lb.ft.

    Linky. (Direct Comparison)

    Improperly Localized. 3000GT SL was a FWD car. Car in game has stats and drivetrain of Japan-only GTO SR.



    1996 Mitsubishi 3000GT SL

    GT5 Specifications
    Weight: 1610kg
    Power: 226 HP
    Torque: 205 lb.ft.

    Real Life Specifications
    Weight: 1513kg
    Power: 218 HP
    Torque: 205 lb.ft.

    Linky. (Direct Comparison)

    Improperly Localized. 3000GT SL was a FWD car. Car in game has stats and drivetrain of Japan-only GTO SR.




    1998 Mitsubishi 3000GT SL

    GT5 Specifications
    Weight: 1600kg
    Power: 226 HP
    Torque: 205 lb.ft.

    Real Life Specifications
    Weight: 1483kg
    Power: 218 HP
    Torque: 205 lb.ft.

    Linky. (Direct Comparison)

    Improperly Localized. 3000GT SL was a FWD car. Car in game has stats and drivetrain of Japan-only GTO SR.




    Car: 1991 Lexus GS300

    GT5 Specifications
    Weight: 1680kg
    Power: 281 HP
    Torque: 323 lb.ft.

    Real Life Specifications
    Weight: 1663kg
    Power: 220 HP
    Torque: 220 lb.ft.

    Linky. (Closest Comparison Possible)

    Improperly Localized. Lexus GS300 never available with 2JZ-GTE engine from Mark IV Supra. Only JDM market Aristo 3.0V came with turbochaged 2JZ motor. It also didn't come out until 1993.




    Car: 1999 Lister Storm GT

    GT5 Specifications
    Weight: 1438kg
    Power: 604 HP
    Torque: 589 lb.ft.

    Real Life Specifications
    Weight: 1100kg
    Power: 610 HP
    Torque: 580 lb.ft.

    Linky and Linky. (Direct Comparison)

    Weighs considerably more than in real life, and I have no idea where PD got that number from.
     
    Last edited: Mar 18, 2011
  23. Zenkat

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    Sort of on topic, but i'm positive no American muscle car was 4th gear limited to 120mph back in the day (I think some of those actually had 3 speed autos as well). In fact, many of those cars came with 150mph speedometers. I think it's a load of crap you have to buy full transmissions for those things just to make them compete correctly. Takes all the fun out of wanting to drive them stock.
     
  24. eSZee

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    I'm pretty sure all the weights listed for the 3000GT cars on MSN autos are wrong.
     
  25. Meegulls

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    Im sorry guy, but i had a good laugh at this :lol:
     
  26. Tornado

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    They seem fine to me. I've seen similar numbers corroborated elsewhere, and they seem well in line when the specs of the SR are taken into account.

    My point with listing the 3000GT models was more about highlighting how they had the incorrect drivetrain than anything else, though.
     
  27. SuperShouden

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    I don't think the Muira should count 'cause the one in the game is the one of a kind Bertone Prototype. Sure the production Muiras were based off of it, but I doubt the prototype in the game and production versions had the same specs. But, to know for sure, you'd have to get your hands on the prototype, and there's only one of those. Also, who knows how much the car has changed since it was first made.

    Also, the specs in the game are generally dependant on what car PD used to model off of. I mean, a car from a collector or a car off the street are probably going to have different specs than their stock, off the lot counterparts.
     
  28. Tornado

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    Bertone Miura prototype has a stated weight in game of 980kg, which is supposed to represent curb weight. 1967 production Miura has a dry weight of 980kg. I find such a coincidence far too large to assume the 400lb+ weight difference occurred as the car finished development, particularly when the car in the is a relatively late-in-development model anyways. And I simply find it far more likely that they instead accidentally recorded the dry weight. Particularly when there are other cars in the game where they did the same thing.

    Basically, maybe the Miura Bertone concept didn't weigh 1292kg. But it definitely didn't weight 980kg.

    Which is why in regards to listing differences I'm only doing so for examples where PD obviously made a mistake and making sure to record sources. No Volvo 240 ever weighed nearly 4200 pounds, for example. No Lexus GS300 ever came from the factory with a pair of turbochargers installed.

    I also highly doubt that PD are the ones taking these measurements themselves.
     
    Last edited: Mar 19, 2011
  29. SuperShouden

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    Yeah, I don't know where the extra weight to the Volvo came from. It doesn't drive like a two ton car. Maybe the car PD used has a load of bricks in the back or something. And it could be the Lexus used was slightly modified from it's stock form.

    Also, look at the difference between the Citroen GT concept vs. Production. The concept has a hydrogen electric motor and the production version has a V8. The two cars would have completely different weights and power outputs. Likewise, the weight of the Bertone Prototype would come down to what the engine was made of. If, say, the prototype had an all aluminium engine block, but the production had a steel engine block, then there would be a massive weight difference.
     
  30. Tornado

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    The Lamborghini V12 was always an aluminum block with aluminum heads, and 0706 was the second Miura prototype (after 0862) to use the thicker steel in the chassis and the longer wheelbase. The only real difference between the prototype and the original production car was that the production car had a roof line that was raised by 1cm.