Motorcycles in GT5?

[wajdi1977]

No and never!

 

[Falango]

No bikes in GT please. It wasn't tough for them to share all the technology and implement it into TT, so make a TT2. I'd consider buying it.

 

[Lotrzyna]

I voted no because I am not interested in motorbikes and I do not want Polyphony to waste time on a thing I would never use in the game (OK - if they put bikes in game already I would use it once because I would pay for it) - if bikes are planned as DLC I'm not buying it. GT is cars game - if Polyphony needs to do something different - feel free to make different game all about bikes.

 

[Stradivis]

I believe the investment in the GT series should be toward cars.
Give us more cars, yes.
WTCC, DTM, GP2, point-to-point real rally stages, pikes peak climb, etc. That would be sweet.

I own TT, and would buy TT2. But wouldn't like them (GT and TT) being mixed in one game.

Also, PD can consider having a bike team and a car team, and two products that share most of the tracks/menus/interface/whatnot. Someone to direct the bike team in the same way Kaz does with cars.

Peace.

 

[GT_Prologue5]

I said no. I mean GT is based on cars, it's been cars forever. I play the original TT and it was good. I'd buy TT2. But Tourist Trophy is a motorbike thing, away from the superpowers of GT.

 

[Lain]

Motorbikes in GT5 as DLC or in GT6 would be great. A Tourist Trophy 2 would be great too, but it would be more convenient to have bikes in GT. That way I don't have to go back and forth between the two, I can just play GT5/GT6 and have a garage full of cars and bikes.

 

[FLASH48]

Would buy Tourist Trophy 2, but not DLC with bikes in it for GT5.

 

[analog]

Do you see bikes competing with cars in Time Attack racing? Do you see bikes competing with cars in WRC? Do you see bikes competing with cars in NASCAR racing? Do you see bikes competing with cars in ALMS? Do you see bikes competing with cars in any mahor road racing series?

Why would you want them in GT5, then? Leave the car vs. bike stuff to Midnight Club.

I enjoy bikes, really, but having cars and bikes in the same game seems pointless. They shouldn't be raced against each other, so putting them into two different games would make a lot more sense.

Mostly I agree with the things you post Luminis but in this case I don't really follow your reasoning to be honest.
I can understand ( and even accept ) those who wish to strictly separate cars and motorcycles for several reasons ( for example preferring a game devoted purely to bike and bike culture like TT2 with full attention to bikes solely and more content than the original TT delivered or those who are only interested in bikes ) but if the addition of bikes were optional ( DLC ) you could simply choose not to buy that package and GT5 will remain the same for you.
Whether you'd choose to race bikes against cars offline would be up to the individual player ( and would have no consequence for you ) and perhaps online there will simply be a few events added purely for bikes or a trackday allowing both ( which could be allowed in private lobbies only perhaps ).

The argument of bikes racing against WRC, NASCAR or ALMS cars is just as unrealistic as, say, racing a WRC car against a NASCAR car or an F1 car against a Daihatsu Midget although that is already perfectly possible to do in GT5.
You could regard bikes as you would regard karts, as in being another category of vehicles included in the game you could choose to use or not.
To be honest, I don't care that much whether they would release TT2 or a DLC bike-package to import into GT5, the only difference to me would be the convenience of having them into one game ( as TT2 will be based on GT5 ) or having a separate game with no possibilty of comparing bike against cars which in itself isn't far fetched to be perceived as realistic at all.
Just think about a real life trackday at the Nürburgring where cars and bikes do share the same track at the same time.

 

[opelgt1969]

Here's my take on bikes in GT5 or GT6; I can't wait until a new TT game is about to be released so I can comment on all the different cars I want in it! So please quit complaining about no bikes in GT:idea: and leave it alone Louie.

This brought to you by that "Crazy opelgt guy"

 

[Mr P510]

@this thread.......really???

 

[Luminis]

Mostly I agree with the things you post Luminis but in this case I don't really follow your reasoning to be honest.
I can understand ( and even accept ) those who wish to strictly separate cars and motorcycles for several reasons ( for example preferring a game devoted purely to bike and bike culture like TT2 with full attention to bikes solely and more content than the original TT delivered or those who are only interested in bikes ) but if the addition of bikes were optional ( DLC ) you could simply choose not to buy that package and GT5 will remain the same for you.
Whether you'd choose to race bikes against cars offline would be up to the individual player ( and would have no consequence for you ) and perhaps online there will simply be a few events added purely for bikes or a trackday allowing both ( which could be allowed in private lobbies only perhaps ).

The argument of bikes racing against WRC, NASCAR or ALMS cars is just as unrealistic as, say, racing a WRC car against a NASCAR car or an F1 car against a Daihatsu Midget although that is already perfectly possible to do in GT5.
You could regard bikes as you would regard karts, as in being another category of vehicles included in the game you could choose to use or not.
To be honest, I don't care that much whether they would release TT2 or a DLC bike-package to import into GT5, the only difference to me would be the convenience of having them into one game ( as TT2 will be based on GT5 ) or having a separate game with no possibilty of comparing bike against cars which in itself isn't far fetched to be perceived as realistic at all.
Just think about a real life trackday at the Nürburgring where cars and bikes do share the same track at the same time.

See, I can understand your reasoning perfectly well. Thing is, there's just so much you can focus on at any given time and I think the same is true for PD. As I said, I like bikes myself and wouldn't mind shelling out the usual 60-70 bucks for second Tourist Trophy.
But what makes GT stand out from the crowd is that it's more than just straight racing. It has a certain feel to it that comes from its connection to car culture. Adding bikes to the game would start to water it down, in my opinion.

Adding bikes via DLC might not change the game if the DLC isn't bought. However, if it wasn't bikes that were added, it might have been a car pack wth some very interesting cars in it. I just can't see myself being content with bikes taking up the space that would otherwise be dedicated to cars in a game that I started to love because of the cars.

Karts for example are somewhat part of car culture. I don't really like karting and I'd prefer to start with AutoX or something, out it is the usual starting point for professional racing drivers. Bikes on the other hand basically sparked a completely different culture.

And while you're right, there are both cars and bikes on the 'Ring during track days, GT's racing is just that: Racing. And you don't see bikes racing against cars in, well, races. It'd take away from the realism and immersion, in my opinion. Maybe some cross-game interaction between TT2 and GT5 would be feasible, like simulating actualy track days instead of races. That'd be a different story alltogether.

All in all, I'd rather have two full-blooded games than a single, watered down one. Just Tagging the bikes onto GT5 wouldn't do biking culture and bikes themselves any justice, really.

 

[analog]

See, I can understand your reasoning perfectly well. Thing is, there's just so much you can focus on at any given time and I think the same is true for PD. As I said, I like bikes myself and wouldn't mind shelling out the usual 60-70 bucks for second Tourist Trophy.
But what makes GT stand out from the crowd is that it's more than just straight racing. It has a certain feel to it that comes from its connection to car culture. Adding bikes to the game would start to water it down, in my opinion.

Adding bikes via DLC might not change the game if the DLC isn't bought. However, if it wasn't bikes that were added, it might have been a car pack wth some very interesting cars in it. I just can't see myself being content with bikes taking up the space that would otherwise be dedicated to cars in a game that I started to love because of the cars.

Karts for example are somewhat part of car culture. I don't really like karting and I'd prefer to start with AutoX or something, out it is the usual starting point for professional racing drivers. Bikes on the other hand basically sparked a completely different culture.

And while you're right, there are both cars and bikes on the 'Ring during track days, GT's racing is just that: Racing. And you don't see bikes racing against cars in, well, races. It'd take away from the realism and immersion, in my opinion. Maybe some cross-game interaction between TT2 and GT5 would be feasible, like simulating actualy track days instead of races. That'd be a different story alltogether.

All in all, I'd rather have two full-blooded games than a single, watered down one. Just Tagging the bikes onto GT5 wouldn't do biking culture and bikes themselves any justice, really.

Now that's a more 'logical' explanation to your objection than the first one I quoted but still the argument of time being spend on including bikes somehow taking away time developing cars ( and therefore DLC car packs ) is assuming they wouldn't start developing Tourist Trophy 2 alongside developing cars for GT5 and GT6 anyway which in essence won't make much of a difference apart from choosing the platform to offer them in ( either TT2 or GT5 ) as the time would already be devided between them.

And again I wouldn't mind two full-blooded games myself too each dedicated to a specific subject and its associated culture, especially when TT2 would truly be a proper 'GT' for bikes with as much content ( or at least approaching it ) as a full GT game offers unlike the original TT which due to being a side-project with a strict deadline was severely limited but still great nonetheless.

But I'm no purist ( not saying you are though ) and I reckon it would be fun to actually race a car against a bike ( just one against one, not a whole field ) once in a while and I can see them being included adding variety, not necessarily ( depending on the way it's implemented ofcourse ) a watered down compromise.
At least we can agree on both hoping a sequel to TT will be offered eventually ( better sooner than later ), as we do seem to like both cars and bikes, although not about them being combined apparantly but there you go ( combined in the same game I mean, I did like your suggestion of cross-game interaction which I too thought about and technically possible I guess since they're both based on the same underlying structure, offer the same track content, etc.).

 

[Max911]

Eh, well... bikes won't drive well with my G27. So, no thanks. Tourist Trophy 2 would be a good idea, though.

 

[ferrari4619]

Mostly I agree with the things you post Luminis but in this case I don't really follow your reasoning to be honest.
I can understand ( and even accept ) those who wish to strictly separate cars and motorcycles for several reasons ( for example preferring a game devoted purely to bike and bike culture like TT2 with full attention to bikes solely and more content than the original TT delivered or those who are only interested in bikes ) but if the addition of bikes were optional ( DLC ) you could simply choose not to buy that package and GT5 will remain the same for you.
Whether you'd choose to race bikes against cars offline would be up to the individual player ( and would have no consequence for you ) and perhaps online there will simply be a few events added purely for bikes or a trackday allowing both ( which could be allowed in private lobbies only perhaps ).

The argument of bikes racing against WRC, NASCAR or ALMS cars is just as unrealistic as, say, racing a WRC car against a NASCAR car or an F1 car against a Daihatsu Midget although that is already perfectly possible to do in GT5.
You could regard bikes as you would regard karts, as in being another category of vehicles included in the game you could choose to use or not.
To be honest, I don't care that much whether they would release TT2 or a DLC bike-package to import into GT5, the only difference to me would be the convenience of having them into one game ( as TT2 will be based on GT5 ) or having a separate game with no possibilty of comparing bike against cars which in itself isn't far fetched to be perceived as realistic at all.
Just think about a real life trackday at the Nürburgring where cars and bikes do share the same track at the same time.

I kind of agree with you to be honest. But I wouldn't put them even as DLC in GT5 as they woud need to create a few more bike circuits and give a great experience and I feel it woud be a rushed job if they put them in GT5 as this game is for "The Driving Experience". I think they should put them in GT6 then that way they can put major detail (may be a few more premuims) into the game and also start to perfect some bikes for the motorcycle fans, anyone with me?

 

[LaBounti]

Do you see Concept cars competing with cars in Time Attack racing? Do you see LMP1 cars competing with cars in WRC? Do you see F1 cars competing with cars in NASCAR racing? Do you see NASCAR competing with cars in ALMS? Do you see Go Carts competing with cars in any mahor road racing series?

Now ponder on that..........

I dont like black people so I dont think they should be in Gran Turismo even if other people like black people, they just dont belong........ ......by the way I'm black... so clearly I'm not serious. Just trying to make a point.

 

[FLIGHT50]

From a business point of view TT didn't really shift big numbers so it would make sense to ad them in gt5 rather than build another complete game, they should be there in the effort to create more sales of the game from the biking community,
100% yes from me get them in.

i am not a hug fan of bikes nor rally(although i do own TT and superbike 2001) but descent point. only way i see this happening is if they took this back to the multi disk game of GT. lets say a 2 disk game. with dual layer blu ray only -
disk 1=all programing, settings, cars/bikes and playing disk. disk 2=all tracks. the whole 50 gigs of tons of tracks all accessed to load by disk 1, a portion needs to be installed on hd of coarse. but I'd sacrifice a longer load time if they added every single track known to man. GT6 perhaps. but have the races be separate. bikes vs. bikes. cars vs. cars. a bike vs. a car should win every time. no car is going to accelerate like a superbike.

 

[Simon Tibbett]

Screw bikes.

More RACE CARS to download, if I wanted to play a motorcycle game I'd get something else. A few bikes would be fun, but not a whole variety.

I'd rather see some DTM, ALMS, vintage, F1, touring car, etc added than motorcycles.

 

[Zonda_Guy]

I'd be fine with bikes in GT5 or GT6. Liked having them in PGR4 so I don't see why I'd hate having them in the GT series.

 

[Mt. Lynx]

Absolutely not! Cars and bikes don´t mix in a race for obvious reasons, and if you can´t race them against eachother, what is the point of having them in the same game? Separate games please!

 

[Chikane_GTR]

no not in gt... but i would love TT2 -_-

 

[Lucas]

If GT5 had motorbikes it would kinda defeat the purpose of having Tourist Trophy... in my opinion. So I voted I want more Premium cars instead of bikes.

 

[Joker-GTBR]

No, give us Tourist Trophy 2, please!

 

[trk29]

If they do make a TT2 then that is development time taken away from making anything for GT5. So GT 5 or 6 would suffer in some way if PD started doing anything not related to cars. And I don't think PD would let you race cars against bikes because it doesn't happen in the real world and GT is supposed to be a simulation. I also don't see them letting us race carts against cars.


This is the way I look at it. If they add them into GT5 later it could take away from premiums but it will also prolong the wait for GT6. If they make a TT2 you will have bikes later and will also have to wait longer for GT6. So adding them into GT5 would be better for me as long as they keep them seperate from the cars. But as Kaz has said the wants to ship a full game and not rely on dlc so we probably won't get anything anyway.

 

[Stradivis]

If they do make a TT2 then that is development time taken away from making anything for GT5. So GT 5 or 6 would suffer in some way if PD started doing anything not related to cars. And I don't think PD would let you race cars against bikes because it doesn't happen in the real world and GT is supposed to be a simulation. I also don't see them letting us race carts against cars.


This is the way I look at it. If they add them into GT5 later it could take away from premiums but it will also prolong the wait for GT6. If they make a TT2 you will have bikes later and will also have to wait longer for GT6. So adding them into GT5 would be better for me as long as they keep them seperate from the cars. But as Kaz has said the wants to ship a full game and not rely on dlc so we probably won't get anything anyway.

That's why I suggested two different development teams inside PD, each to it's game: one for GT, one for TT.

That would be awesome.

 

[trk29]

That's why I suggested two different development teams inside PD, each to it's game: one for GT, one for TT.

That would be awesome.

In a perfect world that would be great but if they haven't added people to work on a game that is 6 years in the making adding another team to make a side game from GT is not going to happen. Just like GTPSP that took people away from GT5 I'm sure and that is another reason we have been waiting so long for this game because having all their ducks in a row is not what they have done, and I blame Sony for this so thinking it will change in the future is a pipe dream. IMO.

 

[Maxiboy]

I think ide like to see bikes in GT5/6, for about a week before the novelty wears thin and I never touch them again.

 

[xNEVER-ONEx]

I would like to see TT2, but that's highly unlikely given PD has already started work on GT6, and we all know how long it takes them to get things done. So, in more realistic sense, I would like to see a DLC bike pack with about 10-15 iconic bikes.

 

[trk29]

I would like to see TT2, but that's highly unlikely given PD has already started work on GT6, and we all know how long it takes them to get things done. So, in more realistic sense, I would like to see a DLC bike pack with about 10-15 iconic bikes.

You have brought up a very valid point. They have already began work on GT6 so it would be atleast 3 to 10 yrs before we would see a TT2.

 

[PAPPACLART]

As I have said before, I would like bikes or TT2 to be included in GT5 as DLC.

As an example GT5 could have from the main screen, TT career mode, GT5 carer mode as well as arcade modes for both all launchable from the GT5 disc.

I don’t need to have competitions where bikes compete against cars in any of the career modes as both should be separate but within arcade and via online private lobby mode the option to customise my own races where if I wish I could have cars competing with bikes.

If we are to be realistic, looking at the nurburgring in real life, cars have for many years shared track space with bikes, and the thought of a Ducati 1198R while chasing down an Enzo Ferrari is just pure bliss. Also to race a bike or car chost lap would be great.

TT2 will come either way, but for somebody desperate for TT2 like I am, I don't want to wait several years for this game, it’s just torture. I would prefer after GT5 release, for bikes and competitions via TT mode to perhaps be added ad hoc.

In essence GT5 is the same as a future TT, only difference is the vehicles with the tracks being more or less the same, just like TT1 and GT4 give and take. To me it makes sense to just have the one game, as tracks are all there, just add the bikes should you wish.

People that are either not interested in bikes all together don’t have to download any content, people that just want a TT2, will if they have it there way, have to wait minimum 2 years, when instead they can have bikes and bike specific races added via DLC. If bikes come as DLC, then it will take time to have a complete TT2 in GT5 but for me that is not a problem.

If people are worried that bike DLC will take away attention from GT5 car DLC, then I think you are wrong. If no bike DLC finds its way to GT5, then a team will still be developing TT2, while a team will still be concentrating on GT5 car DLC, so either way TT2 gets developed regardless if we get it in stages via DLC or not.

I think you should all welcome the addition of bikes; it’s just a part of GT5 evolution, which is a wheeled motorsports universe IMO.

Although bikes do not traditionally compete with cars on track, the great things about games are that within their digital worlds, anything is possible. Of course I would never want things to get silly, by having speedboats and planes, within reason, and bikes share the roads with cars as well as the Nurburgring and share many similarities from an engineering standpoint.

GT5 will allow us to achieve things we are not likely to see in the real world, like Nascar vs WRC on a Rally track should you wish, or even a Le Man's car chasing an F1 car through the nurburgring forest. This is what is great, being able to creat your own cars or use specific race cars, and compete and compare them, for me to do this with bikes in addition to everything else is something I would love. Ultimately a car is faster than a bike around a track, if we compare open wheeled and some production series, but road car vs road bike is close, and the comparrison possibilities are endless and have always been in the GT series, and that freedom that the GT series has allowed for is what set the game apart from many games and has always been the GT moto from day 1. Bikes for me are just another addtion and way to make the world of motorsport that I love that more assesible via GT5.

I ride a motorbike, and I have missbehaved on the road, and have had a few duals with cars, my only option to do this legally is either at the Ring, or Via GT5

Anyway, please guys, I want a bike experience on the PS3 to PD's standards, and waiting for my car experience has been painful enough, and is still hurting as we are still wating for GT5, I dont want to wait 2-5 years for 200-300 premium motorbikes, when I can have 10-15 every once in a while and blast them to my hearts content.

I will leave you with some vids...

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x123d4_nurburgring-zx10r-vs-clk-dtm_auto

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2SZndWVJUY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vahJgYqGdSw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1C2Mos_4LA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTTbeo0x6iA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=olDi0HaoMS0

 

[Antonisbob]

No! I hate bikes and I always crash on them in games. They are slower than cars (Like I mean 250MPH cars!) and you can't drive them though mud/rally/drift/demo derby them + other cool car stuff.