New F1 Qualifying Format for 2016.

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With all due respect to drivers unless it's a safety matter up for discussion I don't see why they should get a say. It's supposed to be a sport, with rules created by a governing body. I've never liked the idea of teams and drivers coming up with the rules and regulations for their own sport. If they don't like the new rules, they know where the door is.

I mean, imagine if football players decided the format of a tournament, or how the offside rule is governed?
 
Samus
With all due respect to drivers unless it's a safety matter up for discussion I don't see why they should get a say. It's supposed to be a sport, with rules created by a governing body. I've never liked the idea of teams and drivers coming up with the rules and regulations for their own sport. If they don't like the new rules, they know where the door is.

I mean, imagine if football players decided the format of a tournament, or how the offside rule is governed?
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....?

Who do you think came up with the rules for football in the first place? Surely you don't think it was a bunch of suits in s board room.
 
Antares26
Then the fans would walk out the same door cause the drivers they tune in to watch won't be there anymore.
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The drivers won't give up their jobs. By the same token the fans won't give up the sport.

twitcher
Who do you think came up with the rules for football in the first place? Surely you don't think it was a bunch of suits in s board room.
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That's exactly who it was, tremendously privileged "suits" at that.
 
twitcher
You think all the rules of the games and sports we play/watch were invented in a board room and not by the participants on the playing field?
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No. But then that's not what you asked - you asked whether the rules of football were drawn up by committee.

Tired Tyres
Really? Got any proof of that? No you don't. Why? Because I'm a life long fan and everything F1 does today puts me off watching it anymore.
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Fair enough. My answer wasn't meant to give resolution at a per-fan level though; the sport will always have a sizeable and mostly unchanged number of fans (imo) even if you're down the pub instead :D
 
TenEightyOne
No. But then that's not what you asked - you asked whether the rules of football were drawn up by committee.
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Right, and no one on that commitee kicked a ball across a field before they wrote the rules. So they sat at a table when they actually wrote the rules down - but you really think they wrote those rules down without having actually played and tested the game first?

They played the game to some degree before they wrote the rules, and you know it. If you want to argue about stupid 🤬 just for the fun of it, I can go all day :D
 
twitcher
They played the game to some degree before they wrote the rules, and you know it. If you want to argue about stupid 🤬 just for the fun of it, I can go all day :D
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You're shifting the goalposts, so to speak. @Samus' point stands; the sport has a governing body. I'd add that it's a formula, self-regulating self-policing participation does not work. That's why, to return to your original left-field retort, AF also has governing bodies setting and policing the rules.
 
TenEightyOne
The drivers won't give up their jobs. By the same token the fans won't give up the sport.
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I will agree that the drivers won't give up their jobs because that's basically career suicide, but as for the fans? You can never really say.

I think the reception of the competitors with regards to decisions made by the governing body is a reflection of how well they are handling business, and with the drivers and the fans reacting like they do right now, it's not hard to guess how well the F1 bosses are doing their job.
 
Well the decision has been made and forced through after the drivers meeting yesterday, the new qualifying format will be introduced for the Australian gp in 2 weeks time
 
TenEightyOne
You're shifting the goalposts, so to speak. @Samus' point stands; the sport has a governing body. I'd add that it's a formula, self-regulating self-policing participation does not work. That's why, to return to your original left-field retort, AF also has governing bodies setting and policing the rules.
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I'm not shifting anything. @Samus said he doesn't like the fact that the drivers have a say in the how the sport is run, and used an example from football. My point was that in F1, just like in football, just like in any sport, the participants/players have input on the rules. My retort was as left field as the example about off-sides on football.
 
shoemaker
Well the decision has been made and forced through after the drivers meeting yesterday, the new qualifying format will be introduced for the Australian gp in 2 weeks time
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Just like any stupid rule, if the FIA want it, no matter how silly it may be and no matter how much the fans and drivers don't want it, it must be done.
 
Peter.
Just like any stupid rule, if the FIA want it, no matter how silly it may be and no matter how much the fans and drivers don't want it, it must be done.
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It didn't have anything to do with the FIA, did it? Their function (along with the WMSC) is to ratify in this case, I thought.
 
I have an idea of a qualifying format!
Since I'm a fan of single lap shootout format, I have been thinking to improve it and make it more fair.
So the idea is this:
Session 1, everyone has 10 minutes to post their best time using a specific tyre (for example: Medium)

Session 2, using the session 1's time table, the bottom guy will start first for a one lap shootout using softer tyre (in this example: Soft)

The final qualifying result will be taken from the best from both sessions, so for example in the event of weather change OR misfortunate (spun or anything else) during one lap shootout (session 2), the driver still has a decent lap time posted earlier in Session 1, but of course it won't be as fast as session 2 guys because of the harder tyre BUT at least a Mercedes or Ferrari won't stuck at the back of the field in the event of raining.

So we get the excitement of one lap shootout, but still as fair as a regular qualifying format, plus it is cheaper? I guess with less laps run by the team. AND also full TV coverage for each driver.
 
If they want to change the qualifying system for F1, adjust it.

Q1-Q3 are the same.

A new Q4 will be added when Pirelli give the top 5 drivers of Q3 a new set of the softest available tyres and they run in the reverse Q3 order and have 1 lap to set the fastest time.
 
Clarification of the rules.

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I don't know if that second to last line was mentioned before.
 
whilst i dont think there was much wrong with the old format, we will see alot more hot laps,but i dont think 90 seconds is long enough at the end of q3.it should be more like 2 minutes to give the last 2 enough time to get round the circuit.
 
shoemaker
whilst i dont think there was much wrong with the old format, we will see alot more hot laps,but i dont think 90 seconds is long enough at the end of q3.it should be more like 2 minutes to give the last 2 enough time to get round the circuit.
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They'll have time to get round - the session doesn't end until they reach the flag.
 

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