New F1 Qualifying Format for 2016.

[GTPorsche]

http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/f...ination-qualifying-tweaks-for-bahrain-681873/

Looks like there might be another change.

 

[shoemaker]

Seems like they are making it up as they go along, what a joke this all is. There was nothing wrong at all with the old format.Listen to the fans for gods sake !

 

[GTPorsche]

They can make all the changes they want, but until the teams are given tires specifically for qualifying that don't impact their race strategy, nothing will come of it.

 

[jake2013guy]

I would rather watch USA 2005 than that qualifying system.

 

[Samus]

So, the utter idiots at F1 continue to remain as utter idiots.

F1 gives elimination qualifying system reprieve for Bahrain GP

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/123446/elimination-qualifying-to-stay-for-bahrain

 

[Dennisch]

It's as if the F-onions completely ignore what the rest of the world is saying.

 

[ECGadget]

Stupidity left, right and centre. And they expect F1 to actually be gaining fans? With the way the rules keep changing even die hard fans are getting sick of it.

 

[Samus]

I cannot fathom what they expect to run differently. It's going to go exactly the same, drivers are going to have to get it done on their first lap or they're not going to have time to come back in, add fuel and tyres, and get back out to set another one. Then in Q3 it will be the same again, nobody running at the end.

 

[TenEightyOne]

Bernie-related, surely. He wasn't named in the drivers' letter and so has come out as being for the drivers and against the governance. This suits him perfectly.

Still, as I said before, Q1 and Q2 were great, the system was easy to understand and the margin for error from the teams (as we saw) was far greater. Q3 sucked though

 

[Samus]

Bernie-related, surely. He wasn't named in the drivers' letter and so has come out as being for the drivers and against the governance. This suits him perfectly.

Still, as I said before, Q1 and Q2 were great, the system was easy to understand and the margin for error from the teams (as we saw) was far greater. Q3 sucked though

I still disagree that they worked, no matter what teams did there wasn't enough time in most scenarios.

Imagine driver A sets a lap time, it's good enough for 3 places above the current elimination position but they know they can do better, and need to. So they now have 4:30 + whatever time is left on the current clock to:

a) return to the pits on their in lap (for Australia, ~1:30)

b) change tyres and refuel (At least 2:00, maybe more?)

c) do an outlap (~1:30)

d) do a complete timed lap (~1:24)

Even if they had enough fuel and just did a pit-stop style change it would be very tight. With the garage changes it's just not possible. They can't just continue to do a second hot lap right away because they don't have the tires. You could therefore say the tyres are one issue, but that's what they had, you can't still blame the teams for getting the timing wrong. They were screwed no matter what with the current regs.

I'm pretty sure that exact scenario happened several times throughout Q1 + Q2 and come longer tracks where those in and out laps are closer to 2 minutes or longer for wet tracks, and there is no hope. If your first lap is not enough to get you through to the next session, you're out.

 

[Tired Tyres]

They should change it so that half the cars to be dropped in Q1/2 are dropped at 50% time point in the session then the rest at the end of the session.

 

[Furinkazen]

I actually think drivers should raise a middle finger to these rules especially in light of GPDA letter and just do it as in Australia.

 

[Samus]

I actually think drivers should raise a middle finger to these rules especially in light of GPDA letter and just do it as in Australia.

I'd like them to speak out properly, tell FOM and the FIA to shove it. I'd also like to hear from the teams how you go from unanimous agreement to completely revert, to considering a partial revert to keeping things exactly the same in the space of 5 days.

 

[RACECAR]

So, the utter idiots at F1 continue to remain as utter idiots.

F1 gives elimination qualifying system reprieve for Bahrain GP

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/123446/elimination-qualifying-to-stay-for-bahrain

 

[GTPorsche]

I'd rather see 3 rounds of 1 lap shootouts with the same cutoffs for each round. At least they'd have the tires for that.

Edit: And start Q1 by sending them out in reverse order of FP3. Q2 by reverse order of those not eliminated in Q1 and Q3 in reverse order of those remaining from Q2.

 

[Peasantslayer]

 

[Samus]

I'd rather see 3 rounds of 1 lap shootouts with the same cutoffs for each round. At least they'd have the tires for that.

Edit: And start Q1 by sending them out in reverse order of FP3. Q2 by reverse order of those not eliminated in Q1 and Q3 in reverse order of those remaining from Q2.

Honestly if they're going to keep faffing around with ideas I'd rather they just ditch quali entirely and replace it with a sprint race to determine the grid. Starting grid for the sprint would be based on the last race. At least we'd get some genuine excitement on a Saturday that way.

 

[GTPorsche]

Honestly if they're going to keep faffing around with ideas I'd rather they just ditch quali entirely and replace it with a sprint race to determine the grid. Starting grid for the sprint would be based on the last race. At least we'd get some genuine excitement on a Saturday that way.

At this point, any idea is better than what they're doing. I doubt the teams would agree to a <1 hour sprint race though.

 

[Dennisch]

Sprintrace without the 100kg/h fuel limit.

 

[Brutaka]

If F1 really wants to make a new Qualifying setup then just do something similar to what Formula E has: send cars out in seperate groups and then the top x amount of drivers do a shootout. Then again, nothing was wrong with the qualifying setup they had in the first place.

 

[jake2013guy]

If F1 really wants to make a new Qualifying setup then just do something similar to what Formula E has: send cars out in seperate groups and then the top x amount of drivers do a shootout. Then again, nothing was wrong with the qualifying setup they had in the first place.

Or have Q1/2/3 then the shootout.

 

[prisonermonkeys]

Pride cometh before a fall.

I suspect that the teams voted to keep the system to save face. It's embarrassing to abandon it so soon, but less embarrassing if you give the appearance of doing so after careful consideration rather than a knee-jerk reaction.

 

[rono_thomas]

I sort of can see a way that this elimination qualifying could work. My idea stems from a flaw in the way GT6's qualifying works, or doesn't as the case may be.

All cars are to either start with a full tank of fuel, or an agreed amount, this way the last lap you ace is potentially always your fastest, minus any mistakes, sitting in the garage at the end of Q3 would no longer be an option. If you do mess up your quick lap and so are eliminated then so be it.

Stands the chance of really shaking the Qualifying order up with the least fuel efficient engine ending up being the lightest car come the end of qualifying.

 

[GTFan24]

GG Fia GG


🤬 bunch of idiots working there jesus christ

 

[prisonermonkeys]

GG Fia GG


🤬 bunch of idiots working there jesus christ

It wasn't the FIA who voted for it. It was the Strategy Working Group - which it made up of the FIA, FOM and six teams, all of whom have equal voting power. Force India is one of those six teams, and they have already stated their support for the elimination system.

 

[chromatic9]

Probably banking on the fact that the teams may have gone out of their way to make the new qualifying look bad.

Posted this in another thread but what I'd think would be decent is merge old Q1 and Q2 into a 20 minute session which makes up the order outside the top 10. The drivers will get going from the start and I think you'll see them going out late on to try and get a better time. The top ten will have to be on their guard as they know Q1 will be final for most of the pack and everyone will trying very hard.

I'd leave the old Q3 intact. I felt it often built up to grand finale or it gave the best chance of such a thing occurring. I really enjoy the old Q3.

To me old Q1 then Q2 was boring, more so Q1. I don't think its a good way to start a grand prix weekend to get everyone tuning in. What I propose is an exciting merger where things are being finalized for most of the pack, it's something not to miss, the audiences time is not wasted just to eliminate a few back markers in Q1. This does leave it short of the 45mins they drag it out to now though.

Don't have much of an issue reverting to the old way either, it's ok, certainly better than what we saw in Melbourne. I'd even happily watch the really old way of just an hour of free running.

 

[Cap'n Jack]

At least we won't see spectators leaving the stands with three minutes to go. We'd be lucky to actually see anyone in the stands in Bahrain.

 

[prisonermonkeys]

Sounds like the teams were only given two options - keep the Melbourne system, or adopt a hybrid; reverting to the 2015 format outright was never discussed:

http://www.speedcafe.com/2016/03/25/elimination-qualifying-to-remain-in-bahrain/

 

[RACECAR]

At this point, the fans attending NEED to show that they are fed up with this. Empty seats will send a much clearer message then just some forum posts and petitions Bernie won't read anyhow.

 

[TenEightyOne]

At this point, the fans attending NEED to show that they are feed up with this. Empty seats will send a much clearer message then just some forum posts and petitions Bernie won't read anyhow.

The turnover for ticket time/planning to attend/taking whatever time off work is too long, I suspect fans who are going to turn up are already going to turn up.