Kinda shocked that he retired, but it doesn't affect me any. No drama from Lewis made that decision either. The media likes to play up this huge mind game and falling out between the two but it's mostly down to the team's decisions causing controversy we get these outrageous news headlines. Good show from Nico, even if he was a little lucky to get in the title this year with the good reliability, it's still his title and his decision. I think he's still friends with Lewis and there's no ill will between them. If he wants to go and be a family man, cool. Whether that's all there is to it or not makes no difference to me.
Based on what? The fact that he's free? Or just wishful thinking? He was treating the Abu Dhabi Grand Prix as if it were his final race, and the language he was using changed weeks ago - he stopped talking about taking a sabbatical and was openly talking about retiring outright.I think we can narrow it down to 3 drivers right now: Bottas, Wehrlein and Button.
This is why they have reserve and test drivers.
He's free, he's still pretty much in the F1 fraternity, he's completely competent, a former World Champion and, as far as I'm concerned, he'd jump at the opportunity to return for one last year to get that proper farewell he desired in a car with a chance to win the World Championship. Even if Button doesn't feel like it, you gotta think he's high on Mercedes' hit list and is certainly more of a possibility than someone like Vettel, Verstappen or Ricciardo.Based on what? The fact that he's free? Or just wishful thinking? He was treating the Abu Dhabi Grand Prix as if it were his final race, and the language he was using changed weeks ago - he stopped talking about taking a sabbatical and was openly talking about retiring outright.
Furthermore, Mercedes have said that they are in no hurry to replace Rosberg, so I think you're jumping the gun.
Button has made his intentions known. Mercedes would be aware of that, and respect it.Even if Button doesn't feel like it, you gotta think he's high on Mercedes' hit lis
He's free, he's still pretty much in the F1 fraternity, he's completely competent, a former World Champion and, as far as I'm concerned, he'd jump at the opportunity to return for one last year to get that proper farewell he desired in a car with a chance to win the World Championship. Even if Button doesn't feel like it, you gotta think he's high on Mercedes' hit list and is certainly more of a possibility than someone like Vettel, Verstappen or Ricciardo.
If you asked me who I believe gets the seat, it's Wehrlein. He's young, well credentialed and is someone who they can build as a future talent like a Hamilton or Rosberg. Plus, he's a Merc Development driver. If Wehrlein can't get it, then it's almost certainly Bottas. I won't be too disappointed as it'll move Wehrlein to Williams for sure, so the big winner here is Pascal Wehrlein who gets a seat in a team higher up the grid than he currently is.
Well, if he has indeed retired, wouldn't McLaren have released him? If they have, then he is free. But that's something we'll likely never know unless Button or McLaren themselves clarify what his contractual situation is.No he's not cause once again he is not free he is contracted to McLaren for 2017, with an option to race in 2018 if seat is open, thus he gets first pick.
I know that. I'm not an idiot. All I have said is that he is a possibility. And the definition of possibility in my eyes is anyone with a chance, and Button still has that chance, no matter how unlikely it is. I'm not saying he's going to get it, I merely said he's a possibility, and when we're talking about the most wanted drive on the grid, all bets are off in my eyes.He's done you wanting him to race doesn't change that. And just like Vettel, Verstappen or Dan he'd have to buy out of his contract if he changed mind.
I know this. I literally said Wehrlein is a Merc development driver here;And he's a Mercedes academy/factory driver that's all there is too it...
it's Wehrlein. He's young, well credentialed and is someone who they can build as a future talent like a Hamilton or Rosberg. Plus, he's a Merc Development driver
Again, I already said that;Also there was still a thought that he would get a higher seat either way, if he went to Williams and Bottas to Merc (Bottas is already under contract) ,
If Wehrlein can't get it, then it's almost certainly Bottas. I won't be too disappointed as it'll move Wehrlein to Williams for sure,
What's the point of this thread really? If you were to limit it to only about Rosberg's retirement, then half, if not more, of this thread would be deleted. Plus, I'll happily be corrected on this, but isn't duscussing the ramifications of Rosberg's retirement still directly related to the topic of Rosberg retiring? I think it does. But I'm not a mod, and neither are you, so we both can't be telling people what to talk about in a thread.Once again why is driver transfer talk on this thread, it has nothing to do with Rosberg deciding to retire. His retiring and who Mercedes pick as a second driver are two separate subjects.
Well, if he has indeed retired, wouldn't McLaren have released him? If they have, then he is free. But that's something we'll likely never know unless Button or McLaren themselves clarify what his contractual situation is.
I know that. I'm not an idiot. All I have said is that he is a possibility. And the definition of possibility in my eyes is anyone with a chance, and Button still has that chance, no matter how unlikely it is. I'm not saying he's going to get it, I merely said he's a possibility, and when we're talking about the most wanted drive on the grid, all bets are off in my eyes.
I know this. I literally said Wehrlein is a Merc development driver here;
Again, I already said that;
What's the point of this thread really? If you were to limit it to only about Rosberg's retirement, then half, if not more, of this thread would be deleted. Plus, I'll happily be corrected on this, but isn't duscussing the ramifications of Rosberg's retirement still directly related to the topic of Rosberg retiring? I think it does. But I'm not a mod, and neither are you, so we both can't be telling people what to talk about in a thread.
But anyway, let's get back on topic.
I think you're grasping at straws, ignoring the reality to construct a narrative where Button stays on. Don't get me wrong; he's my favourite driver and has been since 2000, but I think that you need to accept that his Formula One career is over.Well, if he has indeed retired, wouldn't McLaren have released him? If they have, then he is free. But that's something we'll likely never know unless Button or McLaren themselves clarify what his contractual situation is.
McLaren and Button still have an active contract. If he races in F1 before 2019, it will be in a McLaren-Honda. Hence why he's interested in racing in a Honda in Super GT. How people miss that is beyond me. Button is off limits unless Mercedes buy out his valid contract with McLaren, which they'd be short-sighted and stupid to do. Put Pascal in the car and if push comes to shove, pick up someone better in 2018. Relying on a 38 year old isn't the way to go.
I can understand people being unaware, but if a mass of people are flat out saying Button isn't in the picture, there tends to be a reason. It'd be no different than if Mercedes had a clause in Rosberg's contract freezing it for if he tried to return to F1. F1 teams, with Sauber being the special snowflake, aren't stupid enough to just let go of a leash attached to a brilliant driver, especially Ron Dennis, who negotiated it.Same reason people were trying to put him in non-honda vehicles once they heard he was retiring, but didn't care to notice the fine print. I don't know either, I agree with you, some arguments shouldn't unfold due to the information available.
All I'm saying is that my understanding of it all is that since Button has retired, that cancels out the contract he has with McLaren-Honda. If that isn't the case (which after going through his twitter, it seems to not be), then I'll happily say I was wrong. All this has been is someone taking wishful thinking and blowing it up to making it seem like I said it as fact.
I love Button, and I'd love to seem him back in F1 in a competitive car, I'm not denying that. So I am bias in that regard. However, everyone has seemed to gloss over the fact that I've said numerous times that I believe Wehrlein should and will get the drive. I personally think he is the best young talent on the grid. That's just my opinion.
They're the most dominant team in the sport. They could probably buy out every single driver on the grid and put them on gardening leave if they wanted to. So I doubt it will be too much of an issue if they have their heart set on a particular driver.To extend on that, Pascal is the only one available that they wouldn't have to buy out a contract for.
I would not agree with that. The question isn't about if they could afford it. The question would be who would entertain it. Red Bull/Toro Rosso is out, as is McLaren and Ferrari. Williams surely would ask a very stiff price for Bottas, and outside of Perez, who would be able to help Mercedes defend the Constructor's?They're the most dominant team in the sport. They could probably buy out every single driver on the grid and put them on gardening leave if they wanted to. So I doubt it will be too much of an issue if they have their heart set on a particular driver.
What I bolded is why I think Wehrlein is getting the nod. He can survive a demotion after a year. Perez can't, and he's been through it once already. If Perez is smart, he'd only take it with the confidence that he can outperform everyone and at least contend with Lewis. Anyone with under three years of F1 experience, excluding Max, won't have the ability to do that, and everyone knows that. Pascal isn't Max, not by miles, and it's amazing in the eyes of Red Bull to see Mercedes and Ferrari in a bit of panic because they do not have a developed driver program to tap into because Mercedes are stuck with Pascal or Esteban, and if they drop Esteban after 2017, he's just going to head to Renault in time for the rumored French GP to reappear. If they drop Pascal, he'll likely sit in waiting for several years until Lewis retires at best. For Mercedes, this is nothing but bad, because they were banking on waiting until 2017 ended to make moves when everything was opening up. Now, literally everyone else has an upper hand on them.To extend on that, Pascal is the only one available that they wouldn't have to buy out a contract for. If they were to buy out a contract, expect it to be Perez. Bottas seems to have hit a peak and stalled, whereas Perez seems to just be getting better and better. And there's the fact that if Ferrari lose both Seb and Kimi at the end of 2017, both Perez and Grosjean are on the short list. Outside of those two, I wouldn't bet on anyone else within the F1 fraternity. Say Perez gets the nod, it'd be safe to assume that Wehrlein would move to his spot in Force India and then the question would be over the last Sauber seat and Manor's seats, seats that before, no one cared about which have now become a very interesting question mark given that anyone signed to replace Nico is essentially locked to just one year.
I don't see Force India easily letting go of Perez either without a lot of cash in exchange. Pascal or bust is the odds on favorite. Anything else is a blind dart throw.I would not agree with that. The question isn't about if they could afford it. The question would be who would entertain it. Red Bull/Toro Rosso is out, as is McLaren and Ferrari. Williams surely would ask a very stiff price for Bottas, and outside of Perez, who would be able to help Mercedes defend the Constructor's?
I wouldn't say that everything outside of Pascal the Rascal is a toss. They could easily reach over, pay out for Magnussen, and be done.What I bolded is why I think Wehrlein is getting the nod. He can survive a demotion after a year. Perez can't, and he's been through it once already. If Perez is smart, he'd only take it with the confidence that he can outperform everyone and at least contend with Lewis. Anyone with under three years of F1 experience, excluding Max, won't have the ability to do that, and everyone knows that. Pascal isn't Max, not by miles, and it's amazing in the eyes of Red Bull to see Mercedes and Ferrari in a bit of panic because they do not have a developed driver program to tap into because Mercedes are stuck with Pascal or Esteban, and if they drop Esteban after 2017, he's just going to head to Renault in time for the rumored French GP to reappear. If they drop Pascal, he'll likely sit in waiting for several years until Lewis retires at best. For Mercedes, this is nothing but bad, because they were banking on waiting until 2017 ended to make moves when everything was opening up. Now, literally everyone else has an upper hand on them.
I don't see Force India easily letting go of Perez either without a lot of cash in exchange. Pascal or bust is the odds on favorite. Anything else is a blind dart throw.
Would Toto see K-Mag as being better value than Wehrlein or Perez?I wouldn't say that everything outside of Pascal the Rascal is a toss. They could easily reach over, pay out for Magnussen, and be done.
Hulkenberg. Grosjean. Maybe Sainz. And before you say that Red Bull have him locked down, Ricciardo and Verstappen have long-term contracts, so unless Red Bull start investing in Toro Rosso to the point where Toro Rosso are genuine contenders for race wins and podiums, I doubt Sainz will want to stay forever.outside of Perez, who would be able to help Mercedes defend the Constructor's?
I think it's very telling that Force India chose Ocon over Wehrlein, and I think Mercedes would be foolish to ignorr that.Pascal or bust is the odds on favorite.
Depends on the price tag. I'm certain it'd be cheaper to buy out Magnussen's contract with Haas than Perez's contract with Force India, but Force India have been very open to just releasing people with little fanfare, as long as they were climbing the ladder.Would Toto see K-Mag as being better value than Wehrlein or Perez?
I wouldn't think of the control being in Sainz's hands as far as Red Bull goes. They seem to have a tight grip. Makes me wonder where Gasly will go.Hulkenberg. Grosjean. Maybe Sainz. And before you say that Red Bull have him locked down, Ricciardo and Verstappen have long-term contracts, so unless Red Bull start investing in Toro Rosso to the point where Toro Rosso are genuine contenders for race wins and podiums, I doubt Sainz will want to stay forever.
I think it's very telling that Force India chose Ocon over Wehrlein, and I think Mercedes would be foolish to ignorr that.
I covered Esteban in my previous post. If they let him go for someone else in 2018, then they've just handed him to Renault as a replacement for Palmer. Pascal doesn't have as many options to jump for.Hulkenberg. Grosjean. Maybe Sainz. And before you say that Red Bull have him locked down, Ricciardo and Verstappen have long-term contracts, so unless Red Bull start investing in Toro Rosso to the point where Toro Rosso are genuine contenders for race wins and podiums, I doubt Sainz will want to stay forever.
I think it's very telling that Force India chose Ocon over Wehrlein, and I think Mercedes would be foolish to ignorr that.
I don't see four seconds being dropped next year. Not in race circumstances. But I will agree that there's no more reason to take a risk if your reason for fighting is no longer relevant.With next years cars up to 4 seconds a lap faster, it will be alot more dangerous. He has just had a child and probably wants doesn't want to put his family through it all. Also he will want to watch his daughter grow up, he has achieved the ultimate goal. I dont blame him.
The FIA's Contract Review Board would have something to say about it - if they felt a contract was not in a driver's best interests, they could intervene.I wouldn't think of the control being in Sainz's hands as far as Red Bull goes. They seem to have a tight grip.
If they let him go because he wasn't performing, I doubt they'd care where he wound up. Mercedes will likely look to take a long-term driver; if they really want someone who is under contract in 2017, they'll find a way to buy them out.If they let him go for someone else in 2018, then they've just handed him to Renault as a replacement for Palmer
This is why they have reserve and test drivers.