North American Super GT Championship (Final Results Posted)

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MajikTom
So the chicane cutting would be allowed, but blatant beachcombing would garner an in-game penalty.

I dunno, but it beats spending a few hours reviewing replays... :indiff:
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Allowing cutting the chicanes over green concrete is definitely a viable option that some series have adopted. The chicanes still slow you down because they have either concrete blocks or sand around them and hitting those is no fun.

On the one hand I'd prefer to allow cutting simply to cut down on the overwhelming number of complaints and penalties that would arise with the strict rules and the disappointment and frustration that would follow. On the other hand I don't think I've ever run Monza with strict "no cutting" rules and I'm curious how it would play out. I'm OK either way.
 
just do monza without the chicanes and make it a drafting race :)....

or i say just allow cutting...it should make it more fun then everybody worried about keeping 2 tires on the track,then waiting for the replay to be watched 10 times to make sure everyone was legit
 
I have done races at Monza and never cut a chicane.

I have no clue why anyone would want cheating to be ok.

Learn the track and be an upstanding driver.

Not hard to keep two tires on track. Green concrete should not be allowed.

Personally I am not gonna cut even if the head chief allows it. Why, I don't want dubbed as a cheat or dirty driver from others leagues. No thank you.
 
OwensRacing
I have done races at Monza and never cut a chicane.

I have no clue why anyone would want cheating to be ok.

Learn the track and be an upstanding driver.

Not hard to keep two tires on track. Green concrete should not be allowed.

Personally I am not gonna cut even if the head chief allows it. Why, I don't want dubbed as a cheat or dirty driver from others leagues. No thank you.
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Well said.
 
i was just saying that with everything thats being discussed now, i wouldn't be suprised if there is even more after the race..

he bumped me
he cut me off
it was the only way i could avoid hitting him

im just talking about the thousands of things i heard while playing this track after the race....actually i have never heard this much b4 racing this track so i'm just expecting the worst u could say i guess ;)

i was serious before when i said make it no chicanes....
 
If there is two cars present and one has to cut the chicane. Not literally set up to cut it. This is obvious. However if you have to turn in strong to avoid contact while doing so you gain no position on the other racer. Then there should be no worries.

Racing alone there is no excuse for cutting chicanes.


Worried about cutting and reviewing:
Really simple each driver responsible for watching another drivers replay if indeed there was cutting being reported.
 
OwensRacing
I have done races at Monza and never cut a chicane.

I have no clue why anyone would want cheating to be ok.

Learn the track and be an upstanding driver.

Not hard to keep two tires on track. Green concrete should not be allowed.

Personally I am not gonna cut even if the head chief allows it. Why, I don't want dubbed as a cheat or dirty driver from others leagues. No thank you.
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I had to go back and watch the replay of the Fuji race after reading your comments; I'm at a loss to understand why you feel so strongly about not cutting the chicanes or using "green concrete" at this track when you did the exact same thing countless times at either end of the long straight at Fuji. It's racing, it happens to everyone...... including you.

The bottom line is, unless someone is prepared to monitor every lap of every car, cutting chicanes will happen, wether it's intentional or not. I've yet to see a real race on this track where they didn't cut the chicanes, especially if a group of cars are running together.
 
So an outing on exit of a turn is the same as cutting a chicane? Interesting.


I would venture to say that blatant corner cut vs a simple over run on exit are far different.


Exactly why made it clear that it is obvious when one is set out to cut the chicanes and gain time doing so vs being in a race with another and having no choice.


On the exit of the last chicane, I would not be so strict, however if the driver was repeating the over run to gain vs being a result of his mistake then something needs done.

Now I will am going back through the replay to count the times I had an over run. I can recall one on last exit, two on turn, both trying to keep clean and not wreck. three towards last turn I got a lil sideways and car turned in fast. . . none of which gained me time. Anyway, again its simple to try and be clean, not always gonna happen.

The whole 2d and lack of g forces. as well being smashed twice in the rear damn near ruining your race and seeing you are gaining on the leaders causes one to push. meh
 
I could care less how your run, I was just amused at the hypocrisy of someone posting about how they hate cheaters, the green concrete is not part of the track, etc., etc., while they take advantage of the green conctrete on another track to gain time.

Cutting a chicane to gain time is no different than taking a corner wide to gain time; if you had slowed your car down to stay on the "legal" track, you would have been passed in two instances. I noticed it the night after the race when you went wide to avoid having to slow down while racing with Shrugging_Atlas, if you hadn't went off track, he would have passed you. I would never have mentioned it if it hadn't been for your posting how ethical you were and how you would never do something like that.
 
To be clear there is a difference from running alone and cutting chicanes that gain you seconds and racing with another and being forced into the dirty part. In which most likely lost time.

As well Fuji of all tracks is very hard to run fast and keep from over running the track. Lord knows in about ab hour I be on hard tires trying my best to keep from doing so there.



How did We go from the issue at hand to pointing fingers. :(

If you want to file a complaint about my driving please pm the coordinator.

To chastise me like you did in a public forum is pretty inappropriate. You leave me to defend myself. However. I will just hush and worry about getting a decent finish tomorrow. :)
 
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There needs to be a cut and dry point that you cant go past. As you can see most of the F1 drivers are out with one side of the car in the green and the other side on the regular asphalt. That needs to be made clear by the host before the race, otherwise its farcical for people not to know where to drive.

 
OwensRacing
To be clear there is a difference from running alone and cutting chicanes that gain you seconds and racing with another and being forced into the dirty part. In which most likely lost time.

As well Fuji of all tracks is very hard to run fast and keep from over running the track. Lord knows in about ab hour I be on hard tires trying my best to keep from doing so there.


How did We go from the issue at hand to pointing fingers. :(

If you want to file a complaint about my driving please pm the coordinator.

To chastise me like you did in a public forum is pretty inappropriate. You leave me to defend myself. However. I will just hush and worry about getting a decent finish tomorrow. :)
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I wasn't "pointing fingers" or "chastising you". I simply questioned how you felt that it was ok to run wide to gain time, but not to cut a chicane. I fail to see the difference if doing either gains you any time or lets you run faster around a corner than is possible by staying on the legal track. I have no reason to file any complaint, I consider what you did to be a part of racing, I just asked how you justified doing the very thing you condemmed. If it had been a circumstance where you had been "forced' off the track, I would never have brought it up.

Driving wide or cutting a chicane is going to happen.... to anyone, now and then. It's only when it's intentional that there should be any reprecussions. It's a LOT easier to not run wide on Fuji than it is to avoid cutting a chicane on Monza.

I just hope the host tells us what the rule will be and we can all stop arguing about it. Owens, I respect your driving and would never have said anything if you hadn't publicly announced that you would never "drive on the green part of the track", that struck me as odd since I had noticed it while watching the replay of the race last week. I went back and watched it again and after seeing how much it happend, I questioned you as to how you justified your statement. I'm sorry if you feel chastisised, and I'm sorry for pointing out what I considered to be a hypocrisy in public.

I'm dropping this and going to go practice....... I'll just wait for the host to give us the guidelines and that is what I'll go by.
 
I think we all wished that we could trust each other in that when alone there won't be no cutting. In a pack or together it's pretty obvious.

I would also shoot for the two tire rule where as the red and white rumble strip are end of track.

There should be a understanding the every once in a while you race each other you can get off course. I know looking at the recent race there was three times I. Got a foot or so outside turn one. Only when there was another car on my inside on entry. I left room in case they decided to make a run for it. I very easily could of been on red and this type of action does not gain time nor should it be penalized. It's a racing move being respectful. Idk maybe I am wrong here.

I would say blatant cutting and consistent over running should yield a penalty. Do over runs in a 3 strike type of deal. Cold and worn tires are funky on a driver. However these moments are obvious as well.

I would be willing to record any reported incidents after the race if need be.


Note. This is just an opinion. Nothing more. I cool with what ever you go with.






Let it be stated that last race I had 6-7 off track over red rumbles. 3 of which were my fault completely. One I was checking mirror. Atlas had got loose corner before an gave me a lil gap. Not netting a gain. Other I braked in cold/old tires and car got sideways. I shorted a turn here. This gained time. I really had no choice the car was bent out of shape and going that way. Then over ran last turn no wider then one car at widest again tires were lacking grip. Others were purely racing. Three of which were giving space on turn 1. One of these last four I drove hard and got off a lil early. This was prob two feet, which cost me time. Anyway. I admitted to not being perfect long before as well mentioned this.


I did however say I ran clean at the races I have done at Monza. Never cut a chicane one in two league races recently. So while I was just referencing this for a fact of backing up when I said you can do this race with out cutting a chicane.


You do realize you touch green. Just can't bring those last two tires of the red and white strip.
 
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I don't think I'll be able to do the race I haven't been able to fix my NAT type 3 issues yet. I think what I'll do if I can't get my hands on a new router tomorrow is show up and if I don't see a car on the track I'll just leave before the race so I don't cause any trouble. :grumpy:
 
Thats too bad. Ashame how dependent we all are on internet connection, power, PS3 all working properly in order to continue a series you've been working on for weeks. Very vulnerable.
 
Rich S
Thats too bad. Ashame how dependent we all are on internet connection, power, PS3 all working properly in order to continue a series you've been working on for weeks. Very vulnerable.
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So true...my cable modem lost IP connectivity with the provider (OOL) last night ~1AM and didn't come back until 8AM when someone came to work and pushed a reset button somewhere...

Anyone hear from xAmillion? Are we running "STRICT RULES"?
 
Hi all,

When it comes to the chicanes, I've always been against cutting them. So here are some revised rules on cutting the chicane:

1. 2 Tire must be on the track at all times. This means at least part of your tire must be on the black. Your other 2 ties are allowed on the green.

2. In the case of side by side racing through the chicanes, bumps, a small loss of traction, etc. that results in an accidental cut, or a cut to avoid contact, you may not gain a position. If you do, you must give back the position within 1 lap. Failure to do so will result in a minimum of a 40 second penalty (equivalent of a drive through penalty).

3. There will be a 3 strike system for cuts that do not apply to the above rule. After that each cut will result on in 10 second penalty (more than anyone can gain from cutting) per offense. The chicanes are corners like any other, and should be taken as such.

This applies to all 3 sets of chicanes (though on ascari, the gravel usually keeps this from being an issue).

A lot of this depends on you guys. Lets keep it clean, take the chicanes slower if you have to.

If there are any questions I have not yet addressed about Monza please post. See you guys tonight, I will update the results (with all changes from re-reviewing the replay for Fuji) after Monza. Just a note, I am a little pressed for time today, so we are going to be on a strict timeline. Lounge open at 530, quali at 6 sharp, race starts at 615 (PDT)

I will be checking for cutting at the second chicane during qualifying (I don't mind qualifying in the rear). Does anyone feel like we need stewards at other chicanes?

Edit: sorry for not being around, been busy with some family things that have kept me away from the forums. I would have posted this earlier if I could have.
 
Excellent set of rules.

The two tire on black will be new for me. However I can work with it. Seems reasonable and iirc what I thought was track when I started league racing here. Many others work of red white rumble if present and black else where.


Guys you will have to report an incident. So be sure to save the replays.


However let's hope everyone gives it their best to keep on track and we have a clean fun race!!!
 
From the time of this post, race starts in roughly 3 hours and 30 minutes. Room opens 2 hours and 45 minutes.

Edit: A note qualifying, please stay in the pits until everyone is on track. This will help make sure everyone gets the same amount of qualifying time, and allow me time to get to the chicane.

Edit 2: Regarding the rolling start. Fuji was a bit messy, so lets keep the speed under control, and keep a tight group.

Edit 3: Turn 1 has the potential to be very messy, so lets be extra careful. Remember, you don't win the race in the first corner...unless your Sebastian Vettel or something lol
 
Oh go ahead and say it. Owens make sure you stay with group. No more airhead moments. Hahahaha

Man only wish that happened with my online friends. But noooooo best bud sitting on couch watching the whole thing. And then laughs at me. D'oh
 
xAmilli0n
1. 2 Tire must be on the track at all times. This means at least part of your tire must be on the black. Your other 2 ties are allowed on the green.
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The rules sound quite clear to me except this one. Sometimes there is black, red/white and green. Is red/white considered part of track? Typically it is. In other words, is it ok to have 2 wheels on red/white and 2 wheels on green?

Just want to be sure. Thanks.
 
ultrap13
The rules sound quite clear to me except this one. Sometimes there is black, red/white and green. Is red/white considered part of track? Typically it is. In other words, is it ok to have 2 wheels on red/white and 2 wheels on green?

Just want to be sure. Thanks.
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he means 2 tires on pavement at all times
 
smokedogg
he means 2 tires on pavement at all times
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This is how I took it just did fifteen laps to check tire wear and set up. As well make sure I was on the line that kept two tires on the asphalt. While it will make for interest corners in first two chicanes. It is doable. Allowing red and white rumble would give room in these two chicanes. After testing personally like the red and white rumple strip being part of track. However I am good with staying on the asphalt.
 
Guys had to go out and is taking me longer tha I expected. I'm cuting it close, if I make it I'll miss qualifying.
Sorry
 
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/\ FWIW I used the NSX tune and right away the rear slide on exit gone. With that I examined the differences and proceeded to tweak things to suit my driving.

I will say the tune was great from the start
 
Jav
Guys had to go out and is taking me longer tha I expected. I'm cuting it close, if I make it I'll miss qualifying.
Sorry
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