Porsche!!

[Cosmic]

actually there is a clip on this site...its a ferrari 360 modena VS some porsche i belive GT2 and the porsche won, so u cant say ferraris are faster

I don't care if porche is a faster car , I just want Ferrari in GT4.
Gran Turismo had never Ferraris 👎 It's Ferrari's time to take over Porsche 👍

 

[L1ama]

i like ferraris more too, but porsche and ferrari are like the same, some are faster then others, u cant say ferrari is better because thats not true, its just the person whatever he likes

 

[den brakke]

Hehe ... The focused sports car being the Carerra GT!

The 911 is coming to an end guys ... End of the road for the rear engined layout! Porsche know it. That's why the GT is mid engined. They finally saw light

You funny

The reason why te CGT is mid engined is because te car was eventualy a Lemans project. But Porsche needed money to make the Cayenne ( horror !! ) so the CGT became second plan. After a few year's Porsche desided that instead of making the CGT a race car, thay would make it a mid engined roadcar. It is also not very safe to put +600 Hp behind the rear tires so mid engine ( like all supercar's ) is the best way.

And by the way, the Boxster and the 914 are also mid engined so it isnt the first time they tried that and guess wat, the 911 is still around.

Believe me, the 911 is here to stay.

 

[Wads]

wood knob, ya that's ****e but i saw a GT from the LA auto show and it had an billetted aluminum shift knob so maybe the wood is an optional trim kit.

The wooden gear knob on the Carrera GT was selected because of its lower weight not its looks..... its also a nod to an earlier Porsche racer that had the same sort of knob (can't remember whch model)

 

[TheCracker]

If they wanted to save weight, adding a roof would have saved more than a wooden gear nob!!!

917 was the model

 

[RacyBacy]

The 911 will stay maybe, but not in it's current form.

Harm Lagaay (Porsche desinger) moaned about how restrictive the rear engined format is to generating stability-helping underfloor airflow. It's only a matter of time.

A mid engined 911 anyone? (Porsche purists need not reply)

 

[Cosmic]

L1ama >
I mean I would rather choose the Ferrari F50 then the Porsche Carrera , just beacuse it's funnier too drive a Ferrari

 

[TheCracker]

I mean I would rather choose the Ferrari F50 then the Porsche Carrera , just beacuse it's funnier too drive a Ferrari

Hilarious, i'm sure!?

 

[phantasm]

i know if i was driving a Ferrari i'd be laughing my a$$ off

 

[den brakke]

If they wanted to save weight, adding a roof would have saved more than a wooden gear nob!!!

917 was the model

The CGT has a monoqoque cassis so the bodywork does'nt need to be all that stiff. With a cassis like that a roof realy does'nt matter.

You are correct if this was a 911 cabriolet, with a self carying chassis they need to make the bottom stiffer because there is no roof.

 

[RacyBacy]

Good point den brakke.

Seems the Carrera GT didn't sacrifice performance over posing ability after all. Charles Worthington would not be too happy with that.

 

[j8mie]

I can't see what all the fuss is about with the Porsche CGT. It's not really a Porsche just another engining excerise by the Germans. It was designed in a wind tunnel and 99% of the people who buy them will never really use them. So at the end of the day all your've brought is a badge. And when it comes down to "buying a badge" most people would much rather have one from the Maranello stable.

I don't really think the CGT knows what's it is trying to be, or what it's aiming to rival. Most people will say it's there to rival the Enzo, but I think not. I understand that the Enzo was developed from their F1 technology and understand where the styling comes from. But the Porsche is a open top, failed Le Man, posing, GT car. Just because it's quickish doesn't mean it should even be considered in the same league as the Ferrari Enzo.

At the end of the day, it all comes down to personal taste.

Cheers

Jamie

 

[Dave A]

The Carrera GT is a fricking fast car thats what it is and thats what it wants to be. It holds the record lap time on TopGear and it looks stunning. So how is buying a Carrera GT just buying a badge? If I had the choice of a Carrera GT or an Enzo the only reason I'd take the Enzo s because I could sell it for **** loads more than it's worth and then buy pretty much whatever I want, I prefer the GT. The GT is not an Enzo rival really, it's half the price and the Enzo although still supported is not a production car anymore, and to say the GT is quickish is like saying a Sloth is slowish, a Sloth is far too freaking slow and the GT is just freaking fast watch the TopGear lap vid.

 

[fish_bate]

Let's look at the facts. Yamauchi san has been doing a great job of avoiding answering the frequent Ferrari/Porsche questions up until recently. Electronic Arts' exclusive rights are up in November. GT4 is supposedly due for release at the end of November. Yamauchi san has very recently (only in his latest interviews) said that he has a surprise in store, as far as featured cars are conserned. He has also said, before the last delay announcement, that if it meant getting Ferrari and Porsche in the game, he would delay the game just for that reason.
So what does this all mean? Absolutely nothing. Yamauchi san is just being his old self. Hyping up the game, and stirring the pot. All we can do is hope and wait.
Although the addition of Porsche and/or Ferrari would make the game all the better, I'm sure it'll be kick arse without them.

On a more whimsical note, if Porsche was going to make an appearance, I would like to see these particular models:

356 (Prototype 1)
356A 1300 S
356B 1500
356B 1600 S
356 Speedster 1600
356 Carrera 1500GS
356 Carrera 2000GS
356 Gmund SL
550A Spyder
550 "Panamericana"
718 RSK Spyder
914 2.0
914/6
914/8
916
Carrera 4 (904)
906
908
908/3 (Gulf)
907 Langheck
910
910 Bergspyder
917 Kerzheck
917 Langheck
917/20 "Pink Pig"
917/30 (Sunoco - 1100bhp)
936 Spyder
956
962
962CR Schuppan
966 Spyder
934 Turbo
935
935 "Moby Dick"
924 S
924 Martini Rossi
924 Turbo Rallye
944 Turbo S (951)
944 Turbo Cup
968 Club Sport
968 Turbo RS
959 Sport
961 ('88 Rothmans)
911 2.0 (901)
911 R (901)
911 S 2.4 (901)
911 Carrera RS 2.7 (901)
911 2.8 RSR (901)
911 Turbo 3.3 (930)
911 Turbo Slantnose (930)
911 SC (930)
911 C4 (964)
911 Turbo S 3.6 (964)
911 Turbo Flachbau (964)
911 Carrera RS America (964)
911 Carrera RS lightweight 3.8 (964)
911 Targa (993)
911 Carrera S (993)
911 Carrera RSR (993)
911 Speedster (993)
911 Turbo (993)
911 Turbo S (993)
911 C4 (996)
911 Turbo (996)
911 GT3 (996)
911 GT2 (996)
911 Carrera RSR (996)
911 Carrera (997)
911 Carrera S (997)
911 GT2 (993)
911 GT1 ('96)
911 GT1 Evo ('97)
911 GT1 ('98)
Boxster S (986)
Carrera GT

These are just my top 75 Porsches of all time. And definetly not in any particular order!

 

[L1ama]

but u cant buy an enzo....they dont just sell them

 

[Dave A]

I don't see where that comment is aimed but that doesn't stop it from being a production car which it no longer is as it's not longer produced.

 

[L1ama]

well u cant buy an enzo cause u need to own an F50, and another ferrari, then the dealers ask u if u want an enzo....anyways check this out
http://www.wreckedexotics.com/enzo/
and this is off topic in this thread...but it makes me nearly cry when i look at it
http://www.wreckedexotics.com/mclaren/

 

[j8mie]

I'm pretty sure you have to own both a F40 and F50 to get invited to buy a Enzo. And you had to own both the F40 and F50 from new, not just buy them second hand. Ferrari in the past really pissed off their F40 customers by extending the run of F40's to 1300 from a few hunderd as was orgainally planned. So this time they have made a limited number and only made those avaible to people with both the F40 and F50 in their garages.

Liveforspeed - My point about "buying the badge" was about Porsche selling themselves out by making 4x4's and the cheapo Boxter. So instead of all Porsche's being a work of automotive art, they are now boring and common as muck, just like BMW's. Where as Ferrari's are still rare as rocking horse p00, and still have that magic "supercar" tag.

Cheers

Jamie

 

[Dave A]

In that case I agree with you, Porsches are far too mainstream now.

 

[phantasm]

Jamie's right on... to qualify to buy an Enzo you had to own an F40 and F50 and then from that list, Ferrari invited certain customers to apply for buying the Enzo. The owner would then apply to Ferrari and Ferrari would determine whether or not they would sell you an Enzo. 399 was the total made for sale.

as for Porsche selling out... agreed, they did lose a lot of face by making the Cayenne but to say that the GT is crap b/c of that is ludicrous. The biggest advantage Ferrari has is that it is probably the only car manufacturer that sells street cars to support its racing program as opposed to everyone else's reversed psychology, have a racing program to improve and enhance the image of their street cars.

 

[Dave A]

I know that you needed to be approached by Ferrari to own an Enzo but I still don't see where that comment was aimed at.

 

[Wads]

Jamie's right on... to qualify to buy an Enzo you had to own an F40 and F50 and then from that list, Ferrari invited certain customers to apply for buying the Enzo. .

I don't think that is completely correct....... Enzos were only sold to people with a good Ferrari ownership record but as far as I know there are people out their with Enzos that didn't/don't also own an F40 and F50. For example Jay Kay from the band Jamiroquai owns a black Enzo and although he had previously had an F40 in his garage he didn't own it when he got the Enzo and as far as I'm aware he has never owned an F50!

 

[RacyBacy]

Jay Kay was invited to buy an Enzo. He's Ferrari daft but has loads of other cars too I think.

 

[phantasm]

he is the coolest musician ever... so he deserves to be invited to buy an enzo

 

[Wads]

Jay Kay was invited to buy an Enzo. He's Ferrari daft but has loads of other cars too I think.

Yes but all Enzo owners were invited to buy one my point was that you don't need to own an F40 and F50 to own an Enzo

 

[RacyBacy]

You like him too then?

 

[phantasm]

You like him too then?

ya man, Jamiroquai kicks a$$...

 

[Wads]

You like him too then?

Yes and he let me sit in the passenger seat 👍 but unfortunately only at 0mph! but it still felt fast!!!!

We only live a few miles away from him......

 

[RacyBacy]

Yes and he let me sit in the passenger seat but unfortunately only at 0mph! but it still felt fast!!!!

We only live a few miles away from him......

That's cool. I love the pics. That Ferrari looks the **** in black

 

[Pistachio]

The Boxter and Cayenne. The Boxters problem is that wankers drive them, they are convertible (for posers) and they look too much like a 911 for the common person. This is a problem, most people will can't tell a boxter from a 911 Cabrio, it realy takes away from exclusivity.
The Cayenne on the other hand is just plain bad, aweful aweful aweful, it would have never been born if the Porsche family still managed the company.

Then you have to ask is Porsche realy about exclusivity? I always thought of it as a car you buy for pure sporting thrills... not for cruising around. I definitely don't see how you pay for the badge, consider this:
Porsche GT3 : AU$241,000
Ferrari 360 Modena: AU$369,500
Dodge Viper : AU$250,000

Does that sound like paying for a badge? These three cars race in the same class at the Nations Cup, in which the GT3s are dominating. The GT3's as i understand are stock, bar the racing safety equipment.
Furthermore, Motor magazine calls the 911 Turbo "Quite probably the world's best value supercar".

To me Porsche is a cheap (in a relative sense) yet barking mad sports car manufacturer, nothing to do with the badge. *Quick note, i will be highly displeased if anyone starts saying my prices are wrong and that the Viper is realy half the price of a GT3, people need to understand that you can't compare the price of a domestic car to an imported car. If you must compare, then compare the prices in a neutral country as it will give you the best indication of true prices.)

As for changing the 911 from rear-engined flat-6, i've heard that they plan on changing to a front mounted V8 after the 997. I hope not, and then again thats what they tried to do with the 928, and although it was a good car the traditional layout lived on and prospered.