Sims vs Slicks

[Dorikin 1]

Whats better for a beginner drifter, slicks or sim tyres? I have a 200sx type sx fully customized with T8s an T7s.

 

[Ethix101]

If you've never drifted before, I'd say start with some super-slicks. Use those until you get the basics down, then switch to sims. You could also start with stock-powered cars and use sims, but it's really up to you. Try both and see what you find easier. Eventually, you should switch to sim tires though as those are probably the best suited for drifting.



-Mark

 

[nk4e]

look on the drift guides

 

[LancerEVO5]

SIMS?!?!?! I never use those, and never will.
I go super softs or Sports all the way.
SIMS, I think, are the cheap and cheat way to go.

 

[exhaust_note]

Originally posted by LancerEVO5
SIMS?!?!?! I never use those, and never will.
I go super softs or Sports all the way.
SIMS, I think, are the cheap and cheat way to go.

you don't use sims because you use a 900HP car... i bet you can't drift a stock HP AE86 non-SS...

 

[LancerEVO5]

Well, hmm lets see why it has tons of HP... well, because it is a race car! a race car that doesnt go fast is a waste of metal and carbon. It's not about who can do this or that, besides I was only posting my opinion. I tried sims once and I thought they sucked, so I tried slicks and they worked perfectly. No need to counter steer in the MR2 because of the Slicks. Power over and moderate the accelerator. Try that in sims and you'll plow into the nearest sand trap or wall. I have cars that aren't overpowered, but my best drifting is done in that rx-7. I don't see a stock 86 winning any real comps. a driver qualified in a rented 350Z with an LSD for D1GP, but thats about it.

 

[Bill-182]

Originally posted by LancerEVO5
I don't see a stock 86 winning any real comps. a driver qualified in a rented 350Z with an LSD for D1GP, but thats about it.

The guy who won the US G1GP had a ~200hp Trueno... sure, it's not stock but it's not a 450hp monster like some of the other cars he was going against... want some reading material on it?

The Little Corolla That Could

Power over and moderate the accelerator. Try that in sims and you'll plow into the nearest sand trap or wall.

That's how I drift with sims... I can even drift 350-400hp cars on sims and I can not hit sand traps or walls.

 

[exhaust_note]

Originally posted by LancerEVO5
Well, hmm lets see why it has tons of HP... well, because it is a race car! a race car that doesnt go fast is a waste of metal and carbon. It's not about who can do this or that, besides I was only posting my opinion. I tried sims once and I thought they sucked, so I tried slicks and they worked perfectly. No need to counter steer in the MR2 because of the Slicks. Power over and moderate the accelerator. Try that in sims and you'll plow into the nearest sand trap or wall. I have cars that aren't overpowered, but my best drifting is done in that rx-7. I don't see a stock 86 winning any real comps. a driver qualified in a rented 350Z with an LSD for D1GP, but thats about it.

you said sims are the cheat way to go... thats becasue ur not good enough to be-able to control the car and keep it from "plowing" through the turn into the sand...

 

[azndrifter318]

Originally posted by exhaust_note
you said sims are the cheat way to go... thats becasue ur not good enough to be-able to control the car and keep it from "plowing" through the turn into the sand...

I agree, lol, sims = cheat? You just have no skill.

 

[FuJi K]

I have Super-slicks on my drift cars because it grips and slips well. Simulation tires are to me a little too slippery and they spin too much. Super slicks give me initial grips and tire slip on demand when WOT.

I like to drift in my Tom's Chaser. 800hp baby! 2-way LSD, stock tranny, silver BBS wheels (found on WRX STi Spec C & USDM STi).

EDIT: Some of you may say that 800hp is more than enough, but I tell you this, I drift anywhere, any track, hp is what's needed. SSR11.....awwww

 

[BreakerOhio]

Both are ok, just don't use sims on high HP cars. Sims on low hp cars will be easier for to start breaking traction by just hitting the trottle, but if you want to understand fient and weight transfer more, try slicks with more HP.

 

[exhaust_note]

Originally posted by BreakerOhio
but if you want to understand fient and weight transfer more, try slicks with more HP.

you have that backwords...less horsepower is going to require a feint action to break the tires loose.... more hp would just make it easier to power-over and requires no wieght transfer at all...

 

[battle_stage]

EDIT: Some of you may say that 800hp is more than enough, but I tell you this, I drift anywhere, any track, hp is what's needed. SSR11.....awwww

I do the same thing with 600 less hp chief.

 

[bustwave.]

Originally posted by exhaust_note
you said sims are the cheat way to go... thats becasue ur not good enough to be-able to control the car and keep it from "plowing" through the turn into the sand...

yes. sims IMO are way better than the grip tires

 

[LanEvo]

sims are designed to "simulate" real life street tires. and what exactly are you trying to do..."simulate" real life drift, correct? why not do what they do in real life...a few bolt on modifications, some decent street tires, and tons of skill.

in D1GP...it is ILLEGAL to use anything but street tires. in fact the cars must pass an inspection...requiring registration of the vehicle, as well as a decibal test in case the exhaust is too loud.

if you want to excel..sim tires are the way to go.

if you simply want to drift to say you did it..go with slicks.

(you will notice that the experienced drifters will say sims, however the noobs say slicks...hint hint )

 

[Delphic Reason]

Originally posted by azndrifter318
I agree, lol, sims = cheat? You just have no skill.

Yep, azndrifter and exhaust, are both right. Sim tires require more dellicate input. Meaning, you must make small adjustments. If you master this, you can drift anything in the game. I love drifting my stock RPS13, but I also love drifting my 500HP S14. It just depends on my mood, and what style of drifting I feel like. You are doing yourself a great disservice, if you do not at least attempt to learn different tire and HP combinations IMHO. However, sims tend to make a much better looking, and smoother replay IMO.

 

[TruenoAE86]

Originally posted by LancerEVO5
SIMS?!?!?! I never use those, and never will.
I go super softs or Sports all the way.
SIMS, I think, are the cheap and cheat way to go.

I wish people could discuss this with out insulting everyone. Sims do not suck, and slicks do not suck. Drift the way you like it, and If possible master drifting under all conditions, but never say that drifting with "insert tire here" is cheating or isn’t real drifting or what ever. It just blows up into a flame war. I usually drift with low powered cars on sims, but I can drift just as well with a 1000hp supra on super softs.

 

[layzeeboi]

sims is prob the best way to learn.. but i cant stand sims.. its way too slow for me.

 

[layzeeboi]

Originally posted by LanEvo
sims are designed to "simulate" real life street tires. and what exactly are you trying to do..."simulate" real life drift, correct? why not do what they do in real life...a few bolt on modifications, some decent street tires, and tons of skill.

in D1GP...it is ILLEGAL to use anything but street tires. in fact the cars must pass an inspection...requiring registration of the vehicle, as well as a decibal test in case the exhaust is too loud.

if you want to excel..sim tires are the way to go.

if you simply want to drift to say you did it..go with slicks.

(you will notice that the experienced drifters will say sims, however the noobs say slicks...hint hint )

blah blah blah.. i dont know why people say its supposed to simulate real life tires.. even worn tires on a real car wouldnt spin that much

 

[battle_stage]

They best simulate real tires. PD placed them in the game specifically for the drifters so it's not a surprise if they did make them a little more slick than they should be. In a straight line, I feel sims spin way too much. When sideways, they feel just right to me. It's not gonna get any closer to real life so why complain really. If you want the most realism goes with sims.

 

[BreakerOhio]

Originally posted by exhaust_note
you have that backwords...less horsepower is going to require a feint action to break the tires loose.... more hp would just make it easier to power-over and requires no wieght transfer at all...

I don't have it backwards, I think I didn't explain it well, here is what I meant. Sims tires require no fient weight transfer to get your drifts started. Ignore the cocept of having high HP right now, what I am saying is if you drift with tires other than sims you are going to need to learn to do more technique to break your traction.

Of course more hp would just make it easier.
Here is the relastionship I see.

Stock power plus sims = good drift machine, but not much weight transfer need to break traction, just step on gas and turn. Very sensitive.

Medium mod power plus non-sim tires = good drift machine and requires more technique to break traction.

High mod power plus non-sim tires = just like driving with sims, but frame rate is faster and so you're not bored waiting to approach the next corner.

I recommend the meadium mod power plus medium slicks to learn drifting because you'll have to use more technique to get your car into a drift.

 

[bustwave.]

Originally posted by LanEvo
sims are designed to "simulate" real life street tires. and what exactly are you trying to do..."simulate" real life drift, correct? why not do what they do in real life...a few bolt on modifications, some decent street tires, and tons of skill.

in D1GP...it is ILLEGAL to use anything but street tires. in fact the cars must pass an inspection...requiring registration of the vehicle, as well as a decibal test in case the exhaust is too loud.

if you want to excel..sim tires are the way to go.

if you simply want to drift to say you did it..go with slicks.

(you will notice that the experienced drifters will say sims, however the noobs say slicks...hint hint )

well in the GT3 sims tires aren't actually "RL" tires. tires grip like **** unless you have enough hp to power the tires to slip.



nice to see you LanEvo

 

[LanEvo]

how many of you have drifted in real life to compare? how many of you even have drivers license??

the poly digital guys had actual seat time in order to compare the characteristics of the tire. they TRIED to make it as close to real life as possible. and the same for the slicks. how many drifters out there in real life do you see using slicks? (looks around...) that's what i thought

if you think sims are TOO slick for you..why not try the "Normal" ? they seem to be a good compromise, without using a race car tire (slick)



ps: hi bustwave

 

[exhaust_note]

To BreakerOhio:

gotcha buddy... though i still don't agree 100%
i'm hooked on the 86 now and that is a car much different from all others... drifting a car stock w/ sims is not an easy task unless you have master'd it... for sims on small cars(86,silvia1800cc etc.) weight transfer and alot of technique is needed correctly for all setups under and around 200 hp... if i don't turn the wheels and apply breaks hard, i will not go into a drift and will continue in a straight line off the course... i aply the breaks very hard for a moment to start my car into a drift, and carry through the turn based on momentum and balance...
for any other tires... well i just don't mess w/ them anymore, its been 3 months since ive used other tires besides sims...I think slicks are a lame excuse for wanting more HP...

 

[BreakerOhio]

To everyone his own opinion.
Stock, Sims, Slicks, HP, it don't matter much to me, I'm happy that you're drifting and understanding drifting...which is more than I can say about my friends that I try to explain what drifting is.

 

[exhaust_note]

me and breaker where talking about the sims slick deal on AOL...
we came acrossed a point that may not apply to all people on this bored but a definate few... sims are for exibition and exibition only..., its urs choice to use a differnt tire.... but when 2 player battles are fought, sims would not be the right choice... gripier tires would be needed to assit in acceleration... we hope this clears up the Sims vs. Slick dilema...

 

[LanEvo]

something else to consider...the only drift "battle" is initial-D..and guess what..it isn't real.

in actuality, Touge battles use GRIP techniques(why? because it's faster in most circumstances, even on tight twisties)

sim tires are only for exhibition?

Drift is only for exhibition.

 

[flohtingPoint]

I'm super new to all of this, but I exclusivly use sims on all my cars as I like challenge. With mixing tires it was much easier to drift, especially if I junked my hp all to hell, 400+. Right now I have all my cars set from 200-350 (only 350 car I have is the yellow FD) and all sporting sims, as I've found that helps me become a much better driver as I cannot rely on power as a crutch.

 

[exhaust_note]

Originally posted by LanEvo
something else to consider...the only drift "battle" is initial-D..and guess what..it isn't real.

in actuality, Touge battles use GRIP techniques(why? because it's faster in most circumstances, even on tight twisties)

sim tires are only for exhibition?

Drift is only for exhibition.

def. true, but some people have D1 style challenges against there friends... I've watched the touge vids, the only drifting you see is the small, minute slip angles they use...
good point LanEvo

 

[Bill-182]

The stickiest (sp?) tires that I use are sports tires for my drift cars. The sports tires are on my 200hp Trueno and a 600hp Supra that I can think off off the top of my head. Pretty much 80% of my drift cars have simulation tires and the left over 20% are normal and sports tires.

If you REALLY want to learn how to use weight transfer, you use a low HP car and some sports tires. The only car I have found to be good at this is the Trueno.

I refuse to go the slicks route for drifting, that's what I use for racing.