The Thread About Ponies, Logistics and General Weirdness (And Gilda)TV 

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Yea Racedude thinking your special being able to find those pony pics on that Portuguese McDonalds site

Well I never spoke a word of the language and found these after a little while :p


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That other comic.....that other comic......oh my god....that other comic.:lol:


That Derpy one is great too, but the "sprong" at the end of the other one made my day.


Also,
 
Trixie as a mother...so d'awwtastic.

Also, Toronado. I would enjoy your opinion:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1KUMh_8Xlb2ZNiJulOOzsDONhCly4_7AEHaotFnX6NGw/edit?hl=en_US

My opinion is that I freaking called it. Right down to Twilight being involved, even, though I had personally figured Pinkie to be the midwife and Trixie giving birth rather than the opposite.



Not really that much to comment on, but is Candy Floss' coat color supposed to have the significance that I think it does?





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Akira's post is going to be ten pages long. I know it. Kill me with words and whatnot.
 
My opinion is that I freaking called it. Right down to Twilight being involved, even, though I had personally figured Pinkie to be the midwife and Trixie giving birth rather than the opposite.

Well ALPoH ends on Pinkie telling Trixie she'd like a foal, I told you I was writing a pony birth scene. I also mentioned in ALPoH, that Twilight may be a possible magical vector. I'll give you 4/5 for memory, not prescience. :P

Not really that much to comment on, but is Candy Floss' coat color supposed to have the significance that I think it does?

 
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Oh, don't mind Deadpo...I mean Spiderpony, he's just doing his thing :lol:



Also, somepony is planning on combining the first 2 episodes of season 1 to create a single, and rather epic looking, "movie":

 
Deadpool? In my Pony thread?

Well ALPoH ends on Pinkie telling Trixie she'd like a foal, I told you I was writing a pony birth scene. I also mentioned in ALPoH, that Twilight may be a possible magical vector. I'll give you 4/5 for memory, not prescience. :P
>implying I remembered those things from ALPoH.

I actually just guessed it would be the same plot structure (with alterations for characters) from what happened in Out in the Cold Chapter 4 and Confessions and Considerations Chapter 3.
 
What does it say about me if I find it far easier to write several chapters of My Little Pony fanfiction, compared to writing a Covering Letter for a potentially career making opportunity?

Probably that I want to go to Equestria, I guess.

Anyway, good night everybrony. I might see if I can grab Unit-One tomorrow and request a commision of a certain happy couple, and their newborn filly. :D

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>implying I remembered those things from ALPoH.

I actually just guessed it would be the same plot structure (with alterations for characters) from what happened in Out in the Cold Chapter 4 and Confessions and Considerations Chapter 3.

And that too. :D

Well, if you've read Out in the Cold, any magic-based lesbian childbirth is gunna seem familiar, eh? XD

Haven't read the other one...is it good?
 
Also, mfw my friend suggests a pretty cool Dash-joining-the-Wonderbolts fic that I end up loving until it turns into a hardcore clopfic about halfway through:
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Really, it was all happy and everything, then they started getting drunk and it was funny, and then they went back to Spitfire's place....."SPITFIRE, SOAREN, DASH, WHY!?!?!?".
Damn my troll friends.

And damn people who don't properly label their fics.

And the worst part, it was actually a really good story, too. But...that....that just ruined it, and I don't think I have time for a good, short, clean one before work.
Found it.





Eeyup. Its pretty damn bad. Interesting, for sure, but bad.







Well, if you've read Out in the Cold, any magic-based lesbian childbirth is gunna seem familiar, eh? XD

Haven't read the other one...is it good?
Out in the Cold, but AppleDash instead. EsperDerek even liked it enough that he approved a direct shoutout in Chapter 3.


I personally love it just as much as Out in the Cold, which means I like it more more than any shipfic besides Party Never Ended (ironically enough). Because Ballad doesn't count as a shipfic.
 
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Thank you Apokalipse, MintBerryCrunch...
I want to reach this level of quality some day:


Your sketches are really good, they seriously do and I hope that you will be able to reach that level.



Now to address some of the things that should be address, anything that is not quoted is actually a point that I agree with (it might bring some contradictions, I hope it wont):

This is what happens when you write a story based around an OC Pony interacting with the Mane Six:



And why would an author willingly want to put up with that bull:censored: unless they are 100% sure they can pull it off well enough to ignore those responses?

Because not everyone can write a Past Sins. Not everyone can write a Dangerous Business. Not everyone can write a Two Beats (and Nick Nack in particular is important, and possibly not quite for the reason that you think I'm saying that, so I will bring him back up when I discuss the rest of your post tomorrow).

And for whatever odd, astoundingly hypocritical reason, this fandom loathes OCs in a way that even the Sonic Fanbase, which holds the prestige of having created the phrase "Original Character, Do Not Steal" to make fun of bad OCs, does not.
But that's the rub: Those aren't OCs. They are, in that the entire characterization for them the fanbase follow are complete fanwank; but they aren't, because the fanbase likes to pretend they aren't. Hence the hypocrisy.


And you run into another problem different from that of "true" OCs: The fandom expects certain things from those characters.



For sure, there are several interpretations for those characters. Derpy is sometimes retarded. Sometimes she is as smart as Twilight, but cannot talk properly. Sometimes she is normal but incredibly clumsy. Sometimes she can't even talk, and has to use sign language. Sometimes she was smart, but had an accident that left her brain damaged. Sometimes she is just faking her actions to put people off-guard.

But you need to write inside one of those interpretations, or you might as well be writing an OC according to the fandom and your story is torn apart all the same. And not everyone can write a Pony Psychology and make a huge backstory that ultimately comes together to slot into one of those interpretations. I actually got into an extensive debate with NinesTempest over one of the stories he wrote because he portrayed Spitfire in a way that I disagreed with, and part of the problem we initially had in the discussion is because he thought I was basing my argument on how the fandom views Spitfire when I was actually basing it on something that I didn't think made logical sense.

That actually belongs to a conversation I had no long ago. Pure OC ponies require background and a bit more deep or character development, the fandoom might loathe this kind of pony, but in the long run is more down to writer skills than fandoom restrains.

Example of this is Two Beats, what the author did with Astrosurf was crate a character with a subtle background and add details to the character to create the actual depth that the story and the character required, and even so the story had two critical flaws that people still don't grasp, but was well accepted anyway. Similar to what he did with Gilda on Feathers of Steel, but Gilda already has a rep, and is really difficult to write her because she is already complete and justification for her only relies in the building of a background.

Apart from that, there is the other kind of OC, which is the middle ground between OC and canon characters, these are the background characters(like Ditzy Doo, Vinyl scratch, Octavia, Lyra, Bon Bon, etc...). These characters have some restrictions set by their visual design, but while these restrictions exists, they do not affect significantly the actual identity of the character that the writer wants to give to its character, it just affects some details about the characters, which is different from the inability of creating an original concept with a tinfoil of canon.


How obvious the UST in the episode is is already completely open to interpretation, though. Its just that many tend to think it was there. Not just for Boast Busters, either. Several people, myself included if I'm being completely honest, think Fall Weather Friends is basically "AppleDash: The Episode."



Also keep in mind that Boast Busters was an early episode of the show, before the show exploded on the internet, so I doubt UST was a worry to avoid by the writers because at the time they still thought only little girls and their parents would be watching it anyways; and therefore it had no effect on Trixie's gender. That isn't to say that I think they will do anything to worry about it with Season 2, but it definitely wasn't an issue with Season 1.
You are talking in terms of gender dynamics. In comparison to AJ and Dash, I really don't think it would make any difference for the reasoning that they are both tomboys anyways.





Keep in mind that each encounter on stage represented a character flaw held by each character when compared to someone who had those same flaws. Applejack put her stubborn pride against Trixie's. Dash but her boastfulness against Trixie's (and even literally said as much). Rarity put her vanity up against Trixie's. Twilight ultimately "defeated" Trixie because she lacked any of those three things.

Rarity is more interesting, because Rarity is probably the most "stereotypically" female member of the cast. However, the point of the episode was show the problems with haughtiness. I've said I don't think it did a good job, partially because that's a huge portion of Dash's personality and the cast usually just ignores when Dash does it, but mostly because the episode's events weren't structured in a way that supports that message very well.

And along those lines Rarity is important because of another double standard in gender roles, and in that regard making Trixie a male would have actually helped with the episode's message rather than hurt it: Vanity is (generally) considered a socially acceptable feminine trait, but not a socially acceptable male trait (and this is actually basically what they did with Prince Douche). So, in that regard, making Trixie a male and making him/her be more vain than Rarity would have painted Trixie more thoroughly as being an antagonist.

There are many scenes in that episode that breaks the ambiguity, for example analyse the scene(I will reference directly the episode now) between 5:30 -> 9:00, there you can find that the events do not unfold correctly for a male character.

What you said about the flaws about each character and how these flaw actually helps to the structure of the episode is actually correct, however there are some details that the attitude from Trixie towards Twilight, Twilight don't have any direct contact with Trixie, is Trixie who impulses the contact in some sort of rivalry(5:40) that could not have unfolded correctly with a male character, and is impossible with female characters(at least in my conception), hence the reason of why it would not work with a male character.

Again, I'm not sure what you are saying.

Twilight doesn't have the character to show up Trixie intentionally, no. But she still did it anyways when trying to get the Ursa out of town. And it is the fact that she still didn't set out to do it that doesn't make her out to be the bad person, and I don't think the "Pride/Haughtiness is okay for men to have" double standard would have applied if Trixie was a dude because Twilight still wasn't trying to show Trixie up.


I will say that it might have weakened the episode anyways, because it is possible that the writer's were using that double standard against the viewer to portray Trixie as a bitch, but I don't think so because I still don't think they did a very good job doing that in the first place.

In fact they didn't went as far as portraying her as a bitch, because they needed to give more character that do not resemble Gilda, if she were portrayed as a massive bitch she would have been inevitably portrayed as "Gilda: the pony version", besides they were restricted by their audience and the character needed to be sustain the message, which as a whole, was more adequate for a female character.


And I think that's it, Gilda's bit was already explained there, as well Trixie's motivations for writing(this was done yesterday) so mentioning that again would be rounding up the same thing. I have read plenty of fics about background ponies and OC ponies to actually find the potential in them, is not easy, but is certainly possible, is just down to unfold the events correctly and develop the character correctly around the events of story, the fandoom will not loathe(that much) such thing as long as is well done.

It wasn't that long after all, I fell asleep in front of the keyboard, then two pages appeared literally out of nowhere.


Apart from that, what the hell SweetieBelle:
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That's it, for now.



I cant believe I was that idiotic back in those days :lol:[/off topic]
 
Yea Racedude thinking your special being able to find those pony pics on that Portuguese McDonalds site

Well I never spoke a word of the language and found these after a little while :p


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What? I don't think getting some logos off from some McWallpapers to make them more visually appealing
(Because they are neat, but the logos are too distracting) makes me special.
Hell, it took me like an hour to fix them all, and that's just because the Pinkie Pie one had a gradient,
and it took me 50 minutes out of that hour to get that right.
Find color, select it, pick it, build a bridge with the select tool, fill it, repeat 20x per logo. It's that simple. 👍
 
I'll give that fic a look, if you say it's OotC quality, it must be worth a look. Hopefully I won't be further influenced though. Anyway, I'm happy with my middleweight fanfic writing role...it's...comfy.

Comfy as this bed I'm supposed to be sleeping in. Once more, I bid you bonsoir.

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Page refreshes when I post, Akira reveals Project Leviathan.
 
I'll give that fic a look, if you say it's OotC quality, it must be worth a look. Hopefully I won't be further influenced though. Anyway, I'm happy with my middleweight fanfic writing role...it's...comfy.

Comfy as this bed I'm supposed to be sleeping in. Once more, I bid you bonsoir.

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Page refreshes when I post, Akira reveals Project Leviathan.

You finished Crysis 2 BTW?
 
What? I don't think getting some logos off from some McWallpapers to make them more visually appealing
(Because they are neat, but the logos are too distracting) makes me special.
Hell, it took me like an hour to fix them all, and that's just because the Pinkie Pie one had a gradient,
and it took me 50 minutes out of that hour to get that right.
Find color, select it, pick it, build a bridge with the select tool, fill it, repeat 20x per logo. It's that simple. 👍

Or you could just copy a bit of the gradient to the left and paste it over the logo.

It would be a tad faster. :p

EDIT: That's it for me. Good night everypony.

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You guys have no idea how long I've been waiting for me to actually participate in this thread enough to be able to post when I go to sleep.
 
Apart from that, there is the other kind of OC, which is the middle ground between OC and canon characters, these are the background characters(like Ditzy Doo, Vinyl scratch, Octavia, Lyra, Bon Bon, etc...). These characters have some restrictions set by their visual design, but while these restrictions exists, they do not affect significantly the actual identity of the character that the writer wants to give to its character, it just affects some details about the characters, which is different from the inability of creating an original concept with a tinfoil of canon.
You'd think that, but I've seen several examples of stories that utilized background ponies in ways against the grain where the story was rebelled against because of it. Let me see if I can find that NinesTempest story and I'll give you an example of that happening.


The discussion in the comments will spoil the story, but if you weren't planning on reading it that doesn't really matter I suppose.


There are many scenes in that episode that breaks the ambiguity, for example analyse the scene(I will reference directly the episode now) between 5:30 -> 9:00, there you can find that the events do not unfold correctly for a male character.

What you said about the flaws about each character and how these flaw actually helps to the structure of the episode is actually correct, however there are some details that the attitude from Trixie towards Twilight, Twilight don't have any direct contact with Trixie, is Trixie who impulses the contact in some sort of rivalry(5:40) that could not have unfolded correctly with a male character, and is impossible with female characters(at least in my conception), hence the reason of why it would not work with a male character.
Trixie was going to be a male does not mean that the episode would have been the same except Trixie switched gender. Supposedly the decision to make Trixie female was made early on, before actual dialog was written (because Lauren mentioned that Savino was the one who also came up with the idea for her illeism after he said she should be female).


Because of that, you can't just say for sure Trixie as a male would have been worse because the dialog and scenes wouldn't have worked as well, because those scenes and that dialog most likely would have never been written that exact way in the first place had Trixie been male.


In fact they didn't went as far as portraying her as a bitch, because they needed to give more character that do not resemble Gilda, if she were portrayed as a massive bitch she would have been inevitably portrayed as "Gilda: the pony version", besides they were restricted by their audience and the character needed to be sustain the message, which as a whole, was more adequate for a female character.
I really don't think the ambiguity of the episode was intentional, though. Look at the heavy-handed way the moral of the episode was delivered, or how what it describes doesn't really match up with what happened in the episode if you pay close attention.

It seems clear based on the Celestia letter that Trixie was intended to be an unapologetic character just like Gilda and Douche were, and they just didn't do a good job of writing out her character or the events of the episode to support that concept.
 
Found it.


What makes it even worse, there's a FlutterDash sequel that I actually read before that. It was a long time ago, but I actually read the FlutterDash one, and it had no effect on me because of the lack of context, and it never said it was a sequel to anything, so I just assumed it was a lazy clop-fic with some decent writing.

EDIT: Disclaimer: I DO NOT clop to ponies, but I did read a few fics a long time ago, and just happened to be tricked into one recently.
You guys all hopefully know this about me, but that's more for guest who don't regularly view the thread.

Only a few minutes ago, it hit me that they were connected, because in the beginning of the sequel Dash visited Fluttershy, just like that one said she would.




Am I telling you about it because I'll know you'll try to find it? Maybe.
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And of course the only Trollface ponies I can find other than Celestia are Dash and Fluttershy. I really didn't do that on purpose, those are honestly the only 2 I could find.
 
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What makes it even worse, there's a FlutterDash sequel that I actually read before that. It was a long time ago, but I actually read the FlutterDash one, and it had no effect on me because of the lack of context, and it never said it was a sequel to anything, so I just assumed it was a lazy clop-fic with some decent writing.
That's not the problem for me (and yes, I already found said sequel, and yes, I will probably give it a look just because you mentioned it, so thanks for that).

The problem for me is that the first... 2/3rds of the Wonderbolt story is good. Damn good, even. The writing is sharp, Dash is well-written, and the dialog is quite "raw," for lack of a better term.






And then, suddenly, porn. And I know exactly what your face was, because I'm positive mine twisted into the same shape at the time.


EDIT: Disclaimer: I DO NOT clop to ponies, but I did read a few fics a long time ago, and just happened to be tricked into one recently.
You guys all hopefully know this about me, but that's more for guest who don't regularly view the thread.
I might as well mention for said guests that I don't either. I just don't really care either way; and Mint talked about it so much that I figured I might as well figure out what the hubbub was about. I suppose its just payback for getting him to read Severing on accident.
 
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I just don't really care either way


I usually don't care....when I'm ready for it.

Only time I have a problem is when something sets up for a happy and funny kind of story and then just whips out the clop-card it's a little jarring.
 
You'd think that, but I've seen several examples of stories that utilized background ponies in ways against the grain where the story was rebelled against because of it. Let me see if I can find that NinesTempest story and I'll give you an example of that happening.


The discussion in the comments will spoil the story, but if you weren't planning on reading it that doesn't really matter I suppose.

Before reading that story I should add that there are some characters who actually have some unique characteristics that cant be changed(the Wonderbolts, and Dr. Hooves which turns out to be defined by an outside show).

I will give it a go, I probably didn't read it because I was on my denial stage of shipfics acceptance.

Trixie was going to be a male does not mean that the episode would have been the same except Trixie switched gender. Supposedly the decision to make Trixie female was made early on, before actual dialog was written (because Lauren mentioned that Savino was the one who also came up with the idea for her illeism after he said she should be female).


Because of that, you can't just say for sure Trixie as a male would have been worse because the dialog and scenes wouldn't have worked as well, because those scenes and that dialog most likely would have never been written that exact way in the first place had Trixie been male.

I know that, but the event itself surrounds about the concept of showing off, I believe that is still valid for AJ/RD but not for Rarity, you mention earlier the reasoning about Rarity playing to reinforce the episode concept, but I still found it hard to incorporate in that event.

What makes it even worse, there's a FlutterDash sequel that I actually read before that. It was a long time ago, but I actually read the FlutterDash one, and it had no effect on me because of the lack of context, and it never said it was a sequel to anything, so I just assumed it was a lazy clop-fic with some decent writing.

EDIT: Disclaimer: I DO NOT clop to ponies, but I did read a few fics a long time ago, and just happened to be tricked into one recently.
You guys all hopefully know this about me, but that's more for guest who don't regularly view the thread.

Only a few minutes ago, it hit me that they were connected, because in the beginning of the sequel Dash visited Fluttershy, just like that one said she would.

Sounds interesting, how is it called?
(Don't judge me, it sounds tempting)

Also pic:

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Don't judge me, she looks tempting.
 
Don't judge me, she looks tempting.

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I've just been looking for a reason to use that since I saw it.


Also, I don't remember where the link for that was. I'll see if I can dig it up later if you really want me to.


Also, Drawfirends, anyone here get a look at 7 before it was pulled?
I'm not looking to see it, just curious about what it was.



EDIT:
Awww HELL YES!
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I have to admit, I'm also curious as to what that story is called.

Before anyone asks, no, I don't intend to read it. It's just that I'm so bored right now that I just spent the best part of 20 minutes looking for it, as well as the sequal. I just want to know the name of the story, nothing more.



Also, here's a very different kind of Twixie:

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Here it is (the NinesTempest story. Not the other one). (Borderline AUP Friendly)

Before reading that story I should add that there are some characters who actually have some unique characteristics that cant be changed(the Wonderbolts, and Dr. Hooves which turns out to be defined by an outside show).
I know, and that is what my problem with it was; because I felt the actions of the story aren't in line when you consider that Spitfire is a Wonderbolt.

However, there were still several "why is Spitfire so OOC waaaaaaaaaaahhhhhh" generic responses to the story, and it made trying to debate NinesTempest over it a complete bitch.


I will give it a go, I probably didn't read it because I was on my denial stage of shipfics acceptance.
Its not really a shipfic. Its a setup for a shipfic that is brutally subverted about halfway through.


Sounds interesting, how is it called?
(Don't judge me, it sounds tempting)
Take my word for it: Its not. If you want to find it, use Google magic like I did. It took me about 5 minutes based on what Mint's first post about it said. Now let us speak of this no longer.




Also, Drawfirends, anyone here get a look at 7 before it was pulled?
I'm not looking to see it, just curious about what it was.
Yes. Not in the Drawfriends, but I saw it on Ponibooru a few days ago. Its a particularly unflattering "Retard Sweetie Belle" image that understandably doesn't look like one unless you look closely.
 
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Here it is (the NinesTempest story. Not the other one). (Borderline AUP Friendly)


I know, and that is what my problem with it was; because I felt the actions of the story aren't in line when you consider that Spitfire is a Wonderbolt.

However, there were still several "why is Spitfire so OOC waaaaaaaaaaahhhhhh" generic responses to the story, and it made trying to debate NinesTempest over it a complete bitch.


Its not really a shipfic. Its a setup for a shipfic that is brutally subverted about halfway through.

I understand what you mean now, and I sort of understand the whining, having to portrait such character in that way certainly goes against the character profile. There are some aspects of her which are similar, but that is not the sort of action that a pony like her will take, neither is a direct portrait, the whole event is possible but under the context of being wonderbolt I really found it really unprovable.

In any case, this is an example of how not to do it, it is a good premise to portrait such events, but an authentic OC(Wonderbolt OC is also plausible) could have been better for the story(concentrate such hate in other unknown pony who can be bitch about, keep Spitfire fans happy), the problem is the background, and there is where it gets complicated(not to mention that is more like a soup-opera than a shipfic ).

Up next:

Dammit what the hell did I start?
Take my word for it: Its not. If you want to find it, use Google magic like I did. It took me about 5 minutes based on what Mint's first post about it said. Now let us speak of this no longer.

*Searches*
 
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