The Update 1.12 Discussion Thread: Believe the Hype

[Famine]

I think the disappointment and fury is because the game already has issues that are currently still unaddressed, and then that anger multiplies when updates aren't here yet.

Great, but no-one said they would be. Getting angry at Sony/PD/Kazunori because an update didn't arrive and they didn't say it would is ludicrous. Of course people should be angry inwardly for allowing themselves to believe uncorroborated, unofficial speculation...

It's something that unavoidably happens.

It's avoidable by being more selective on your sources. The information passed over during the Zahara video last week was good but, ultimately, unofficial speculation. Believing it wholeheartedly to be true doesn't make it happen and it doesn't create a fault on behalf of the official outlets who never said anything about it.

It's like waiting on a train platform (possibly a hypetrain platform) with a timetable that doesn't say if any more trains are due. Being annoyed that there's no more trains due is justified. If a stranger sidles up to you and says "The boss of the train company said there'll be one along in five minutes, you'll see." and no train shows up, should you be angry with the boss of the train company?

 

[HKS racer]

You sound bitter. We're discussing a possible update that may or may not be out tomorrow and you're bringing up the age old PD hate that's completely unwarranted for this topic and better suited for the Whining and Crying thread.

I know you have no arguments so the best you can do is complain the complainers.

 

[Beat the Beat]

Yes, that was on September 3rd.

We've been saying this over and over again since the build up to GT4... Unless it's an official announcement from Sony, it's speculation. Even if it comes from GTPlanet itself. It might be really well informed speculation (it usually is in our case), but it's speculation. Even "Kazunori said" in an interview is speculation

I can understand why people are disappointed in and angry about the game itself. I can understand why people get excited for a new update especially when it contains new features and content. I can understand the enthusiasm. I can even understand the hype train - but I can never understand the disappointment and fury directed towards Sony/PD/Kazunori from a release they haven't officially announced not arriving on a date people on a forum have made up or inferred (even if they've have had good reason to).

I'm not disappointed about dates because I've long sinced stopped taking any dates official or otherwise seriously, ever since the GT5 launch.
If you report, for example, that Sony and Polyphony Digital representatives confirmed we'd be learning more about the track in a February update, that is 'speculation'? You're website isn't in the business of reporting speculation, it's news and information coming directly to your employees from Sony/PD P.R.

 

[GranTurismo guy]

You sound bitter. We're discussing a possible update that may or may not be out tomorrow and you're bringing up the age old PD hate that's completely unwarranted for this topic and better suited for the Whining and Crying thread.

There's nothing to discuss though. Okay maybe this:

Update will or won't be out tomorrow. I like what's in it. Yay.

And that's about it. This sort of thread naturally attracts negativity as you run out of stuff to say fast.

Great, but no-one said they would be. Getting angry at Sony/PD/Kazunori because an update didn't arrive and they didn't say it would is ludicrous. Of course people should be angry inwardly for allowing themselves to believe uncorroborated, unofficial speculation...It's avoidable by being more selective on your sources. The information passed over during the Zahara video last week was good but, ultimately, unofficial speculation. Believing it wholeheartedly to be true doesn't make it happen and it doesn't create a fault on behalf of the official outlets who never said anything about it.

It's like waiting on a train platform (possibly a hypetrain platform) with a timetable that doesn't say if any more trains are due. Being annoyed that there's no more trains due is justified. If a stranger sidles up to you and says "The boss of the train company said there'll be one along in five minutes, you'll see." and no train shows up, should you be angry with the boss of the train company?

The thing is though, this happens every time. We can't stop it.

Edit: great. Double post

 

[sparkytooth]

I know you have no arguments so the best you can do is complain the complainers.

There was no argument. I'm just telling you that this is unnecessary.

 

[GranTurismo guy]

There was no argument. I'm just telling you that this is unnecessary.

Eh this is unnecessary, I'm leaving.

Bye

 

[HKS racer]

There was no argument. I'm just telling you that this is unnecessary.

What is unnecessary? You can't stop people from complaining if they feel this "unkown abstract PD time" needed to bring the stuff that "will come to a later update" is once again taking way too much "planet Earth time".

 

[fortbo]

This thread should be locked until we get the update.

 

[Famine]

I'm not disappointed about dates because I've long sinced stopped taking any dates official or otherwise seriously, ever since the GT5 launch.
If you report, for example, that Sony and Polyphony Digital representatives confirmed we'd be learning more about the track in a February update, that is 'speculation'? You're website isn't in the business of reporting speculation, it's news and information coming directly to your employees from Sony/PD P.R.

Yes, that is speculation. See any press releases anywhere?

Read this again. Really take it on board this time:

We've been saying this over and over again since the build up to GT4... Unless it's an official announcement from Sony, it's speculation. Even if it comes from GTPlanet itself. It might be really well informed speculation (it usually is in our case), but it's speculation. Even "Kazunori said" in an interview is speculation

 

[sparkytooth]

What is unnecessary? You can't stop people from complaining if they feel this "unkown abstract PD time" needed to bring the stuff that "will come to a later update" is once again taking way too much "planet Earth time".

I'm not stopping people from complaining, it's just that I feel that this has no bearing on the topic of the thread and is just baiting for drama to unfold. There are threads so you can post how you really feel about PD. And there is no abstract PD time for 1.12 (Which is what we're talking about, not missing feautres, broken promises, angry consumers, and Kaz), it is explicity stated to be coming in september, not yesterday.

 

[IneedSchool]

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[Lewis_Hamilton_]

I'm sure I've read around here before that PD do indeed keep an eye on these forums, so they have an idea what state a core part of their fanbase is in.

Now if only they had some sort of blog available that they could use to occasionally communicate with us, where they could squash out of hand rumours or give approximate timelines for when new updates/features may be arriving. That would be really cool, I think may be one or two most other companies have tried something similar!

 

[HKS racer]

I'm not stopping people from complaining, it's justt hat I feel that this has no bearing on the topic of the thread and is just baiting for drama to unfold. There are threads so you can post how you really feel about PD. And there is no abstract PD time for 1.12 (Which is what we're talking about, not missing feautres, broken promises, angry consumers, and Kaz), it is explicity stated to be coming in september.

Since nobody knows what this potential 1.12 will bring you can't really tell me what feature are on topic and what's not. What if 1.12 will bring GPS Track Creator? Which is indeed one of those "later update" sort of features. People has the right to speak about ALL the promised features at least until we know what this potential 1.12 update is about. In other words, your post makes no sense.

 

[jezboosted]

I've just started not being able to connect to online servers.

Probably a bug at my end or that 0.05% chance an update is being prepped.

Edit: Service is back to normal.

 

[Beat the Beat]

Yes, that is speculation. See any press releases anywhere?

Read this again. Really take it on board this time:

Reporting that someone told you something is not speculation, it's a statement of fact, assuming you're telling the truth, and I trust your website to tell the truth. Maybe you just need a better word to describe what you're saying, like 'unofficial'.

But what might be nice is following up with these PR reps on why the update they talked about failed to materialise?

 

[sparkytooth]

Since nobody knows what this potential 1.12 will bring you can't really tell me what feature are on topic and what's not. What if 1.12 will bring GPS Track Creator? Which is indeed one of those "later update" sort of features. People has the right to speak about ALL the promised features at least until we know some more about the potential features of this potential 1.12 update. In other words, your post makes no sense.

Proof that you have no idea what's going on.

1.12 so far has this:

Circuito de la Sierra
Toyota FT-1 Vision Gran Turismo
Toyota FT-1 Graphite
Nissan GT-R Nismo
Sierra Time Rally Special Event
Quick Match
Something to do with a new dashboard instrument

 

[DRambo]

I don't want to throw any petrol about here, but there is a certain Japanese trade show coming at the end of the week.

Make of that what you will.

 

[HKS racer]

1.12 so far IS SUPPOSED TO have this:

Circuito de la Sierra
Toyota FT-1 Vision Gran Turismo
Toyota FT-1 Graphite
Nissan GT-R Nismo
Sierra Time Rally Special Event
Quick Match
Something to do with a new dashboard instrument

Fixed.

 

[Famine]

Reporting that someone told you something is not speculation, it's a statement of fact, assuming you're telling the truth, and I trust your website to tell the truth. Maybe you just need a better word to describe what you're saying, like 'unofficial'

Speculation is just fine. "Unofficial" generally doesn't work when it's Sony/PD officials who've stated it - it's still speculation (from the Latin "speculari" - an observation) that "x" will happen at "y" until there is either a press release stating it or it actually happens.

The problem is that whatever we say, people will entirely invent their own reality and blame everyone else when it doesn't materialise. We've not said anything about an update today, nor have Sony or PD, yet here we are with people discussing an update today as if it's going to happen. Who gets blamed if it doesn't? Sony/PD - and that's what I don't understand.

But what might be nice is following up with these PR reps on why the update they talked about failed to materialise?

I'm sure that'll come in due course.

 

[Lewis_Hamilton_]

I don't want to throw any petrol about here, but there is a certain Japanese trade show coming at the end of the week.

Make of that what you will.

I would think that would be heavily focused trying to make the PS4 appealing to the Japanese market rather than have anything about an update on one of last year's games on a last gen console, that a very small percentage of buyers still actually play.

 

[sparkytooth]

Fixed.

This is truly all that is confirmed to be featured within it so far. Of course there could be more, but we don't know about that.

 

[DRambo]

I would think that would be heavily focused trying to make the PS4 appealing to the Japanese market rather than have anything about an update on one of last year's games on a last gen console, that a very small percentage of buyers still actually play.

Good point.

The World is in crisis; people being bombed and murdered all around; Scotland is about to descend into civil war and Leeds United are still 🤬

Anyway, we need the update NOW.

 

[MrUnknown]

The World is in crisis; people being bombed and murdered all around; Scotland is about to descend into civil war and Leeds United are still 🤬

Anyway, we need the update NOW.

Like if a single update saves the whole humanity.

 

[Elitekilla29]

Guys calm down. We are suppose to get a update in September. Is September over yet? No. Now if it's pass September and it's still not then yea you guys can pull out your pitchforks. But until then be patient.

 

[Lewis_Hamilton_]

Who gets blamed if it doesn't? Sony/PD - and that's what I don't understand.

I fully understand your points, Famine, they are valid and you're not wrong. However, do you not feel at least a little bit annoyed about the deafening silence the customers recieve in an age of social media and open communication? I am forever seeing other game's companies responding to their customer's queries, nipping rumours in the bud and informing them of works in progress on a variety of social media sites and forums. Sometimes people are being replied to within minutes.

My view is that it makes PD appear stubborn and while they may still have passion for their product, they seem lacking in passion towards their customers' well being. It really is not as difficult to keep us in the know as they make it seem.

If they were a little more communicative with the paying customers and fans of the series, I bet the frustrations, speculation and misblaming would be tempered somewhat.

 

[HKS racer]

Like if a single update saves the whole humanity.

Like saving the whole humanity is the point of this thread.

Breaking news: Life goes on in places that war doesn't exist.

But until then be patient.

Say hello to be patient.
Hello be patient!

 

[MrUnknown]

Like saving the whole humanity is the point of this thread.

Breaking news: Life goes on in places that war doesn't exist.

Say hello to be patient.
Hello be patient!

 

[MorPh3uS]

Proof that you have no idea what's going on.

1.12 so far has this:

Circuito de la Sierra
Toyota FT-1 Vision Gran Turismo
Toyota FT-1 Graphite
Nissan GT-R Nismo
Sierra Time Rally Special Event
Quick Match
Something to do with a new dashboard instrument

And whats up with the big, 1.10 update, with proof alfa vgt?
but this all just a speculation, lets see whats coming...
And i don't believe it's coming this week

 

[sparkytooth]

And whats up with the big, 1.10 update, with proof alfa vgt?
but this all just a speculation, lets see whats coming...
And i don't believe it's coming this week

The things I've mentioned have been confirmed to be available in game. As in real real unless PD fabricated an entire update to troll us.

 

[Famine]

I fully understand your points, Famine, they are valid and you're not wrong. However, do you not feel at least a little bit annoyed about the deafening silence the customers recieve in an age of social media and open communication? I am forever seeing other game's companies responding to their customer's queries, nipping rumours in the bud and informing them of works in progress on a variety of social media sites and forums. Sometimes people are being replied to within minutes.

No.

PD - or, more accurately, their PR at Sony - are damned if they do and damned if they don't. When they don't tell us stuff, fans clamour for more information from them and pillory them for not communicating. When they do tell us stuff, fans build up a massive house of cards and are crushingly disappointed that it doesn't come to pass - and then pillory them for lying, misleading, misrepresenting or whatever today's buzzword is. If the choice comes down to that, I'd be doing it the way that requires least effort too.

I mean in the previous Update Guessing Thread, one poster actually started a sentence by saying that PD should communicate more with fans (what we'd term "public relations", or PR) and ended the same sentence by saying PD should concentrate on making the game and stop trying to be a PR company. There's just no reasoning with that mindset.


Don't get me wrong, I'd love a daily update on Twitter, Facebook, Pitstop or whatever that we can feature on GTPlanet - hell, I'll become Kazunori's personal blogger and write it for them - but I can completely understand why they only communicate with fans when they have an update to tell us about.