Unfair suspension from online play.

Discussion in 'Gran Turismo Sport' started by Mrkeebz, Feb 6, 2018.

  1. polizei

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    I don't have any insider info, but a poor connection can probably look a lot like a lag switch to an algorithm.

    One bar satellite users beware.
     
  2. Satomiblood

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    A lag switch, eh? I'm wondering if that's what I saw in one of my races. I posted a thread about it yesterday.

    https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/threads/sport-mode-teleporting-cars.374730/

    And I just remembered you replied to it.
     
  3. LennyB

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    The player base is much to large to be able to ban all of those who deserve it, some cheaters will not be punished. It is also likely that innocent people will catch the hammer's slam. To me those two things equate to random, there is a better word for it I'm sure but did you really think I meant literally pulling names out of a hat?

    Fix the obvious bugs, that's what needs to happen at a bare minimum.
     
  4. icenl

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    So is this a ban for sports mode or account wide? Also it would be strange if they ban for being a bad driver, as that would mean they acknowledge that there driver and safety ratings are not working.

    But those automated ban actions are one of the reasons i still buy my games on disc, as every digital purchase is tied to an account. I wonder if there are examples of cases like this that went to a consumer rights organisation?
     
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    So the original question in this thread was the OP asking who else had been banned from GT Sport, and no one has yet answered in the affirmative. Seems to me that indicates that people are not being unfairly banned for reasons they don't understand.
     
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  6. LennyB

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    There are only a very small amount of GTS players active in this thread, or even the site come to think of it. It's like the polls we see on here, 100 total votes and 54 wanting a particular issue addressed.
     
  7. Mr616

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    But the OPs post count is 6. He came here and found the forum after being banned. I would assume others who were in the same position feeling the same way would also find this forum, and by some stroke of luck, this thread (because people tend not to search for an existing thread).

    This is how bans have been handled in all the online multiplayer games I've played (multiple FPS and online racers, not just GT). In all the forums it was made clear that all bans were final but could be disputed through their support, as far as I can remember. I've also never received a ban or warning since owning a PS3 back in the day and I've put some serious hours in online.
     
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    Ignorance or even claiming ignorance of the reason for a ban isn't good enough when PD clearly stated they would ban miscreants for a number of quoted reasons (some listed above in the thread by others). Neither is the fees you paid for the game or PSN when they also have clear terms and conditions of use and one point that is clearly stated is a code of conduct on all multiplayer platforms...it's pretty simple be kind to your fellow human beings or have your Sony rights revoked indefinitely :gtpflag: it's not unfair it's righteous!|
     
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  9. VFOURMAX1

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    Again your reply is nothing but your personal undocumented opinion and speculation and calling the bans to equate to being random is grossly misleading.

    Please if possible show me the solid evidence that collaborates the statements you make on the subject.

    Just because a player base is large does not mean that it is not possible for PD to ban ALL of those players it deems to be in violation of whatever criteria they have deemed extreme enough to be worthy of removal from access to the game.

    Again there is currently no documented evidence that ANY innocent player has been a victim of being unjustly banned. We do not know the exact criteria why players are being chosen for the banning so how do you deem someone is innocent and unjustly removed?

    You cannot at this point and time so you are pointing fingers just like an old time Salem witch hunt with no evidence to back up anything you are claiming as a probability.
     
  10. ColinNZ

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    If PD were giving out bans left right and centre, there would be ten new threads like this every day, most of them from people with new accounts.

    I can only think of two two players who have not been seen online since PD informed us that they were starting to give out bans (asia/pacific). One was a player who used the pit glitch to reach SS and the other had the grip bug.
     
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  11. LennyB

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    IMO The player base is much to large to be able to ban all of those who deserve it and some cheaters will not be punished. It is also likely that innocent people will catch the hammer's slam. To me those two things equate to random.

    Better?

    Here is my stance, we're going to see more bans coming if PD holds true to their words. I can't believe after seeing pit glitch used online and now this absurd tire change on the fly people can still defend PD and place the blame on the players. It's been this way since GT first came online and it's not getting better.

    It should be much easier to fix these chinks in the armor than running around seeking out offenders. It's not going to make much difference to me as I too have played like a bizillion hours online in the series with no trouble what so ever. The tire glitch though? seriously that is piss poor of PD and banning people meantime does not sit well with me at all.

    Fix the game and then go after cheaters because the real one's will be coming IMO and it's not going to be a tire refresh that everyone can clearly see on a replay.
     
  12. flamingchariot

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    I don't really think you are in a position to complain...claiming ignorance is not an excuse. The fact that you are an "older person" and still saying it's unfair is even worse. Your price for the game and PSN fees again are irrelevant. However, when you signed up for PSN there was a code of conduct (T&C's) which are implicit particularly when it comes to online gaming - be kind to your fellow man or have your Sony rights revoked indefinitely. This is the same for virtually every multiplayer platform in existence you misbehave you lose the right to play. You have been a naughty boy ...you should deal with the consequences of your bad behaviour :cheers:
     
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    Yes PD should've locked the door before they went out, but it doesn't make it right to walk in and clear their house out does it? Although you can say "it's just a game" the terms and conditions tell you consequences are very real.
     
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    Yes PD should've locked the door before they went out, but it doesn't make it right to walk in and clear their house out does it? Although you can say "it's just a game" the terms and conditions tell you consequences are very real.

    Oh yes ....in a perfect world everything would be just be working fine...code and games done by humans hence the issue :banghead:
     
  15. LennyB

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    If that's a general statement I'll agree but if you think you would ever see me say that I don't think you are paying attention to what I say and why.
     
  16. Mr616

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    OK, what I mean to say was, "people could say it's just a game". I wasn't meaning you directly. and I also think you knew exactly what I meant.

    And if that quote is all you took from my posts, we're done here.
     
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    What part of the usage agreement that EVERY PLAYER AGREES TO ABIDE BY WHEN OPENING AN ACCOUNT in the above quote do you find so hard to comprehend its very plainly written message that it is up to YOU THE PLAYER to not engage in exploiting such vulnerabilities or unintentional game mechanics?

    By agreeing you remove the responsibility of not cheating or exploiting from the game to prevent it to rather the user to not take advantage of the situation.

    It is in black and white printed out plainly to be clear cut and is the players responsibility, END OF STORY!

    That is official written documented evidence that is is not the fault or responsibility of the game maker to prevent a player to choose not to cheat or gain an advantage through an exploit.

    As a player you choose to ignore the guidelines then take responsibility for your own actions if you are banned.
     
  18. LennyB

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    I understand it just fine.

    If PD knows this is happening right at this very moment and there answer is to start handing out bans instead of at least taking down the tire ware races ASAP to stop the bleeding IMO they are falling way short and going the wrong direction.

    I want the quickest remedy and that is not seeking out people to ban atm.
     
  19. FPV MIC

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    The thing is we don't know if they're banning people for the tyre wear thing, but I wholeheartedly agree that they should just turn off tyre wear until it's fixed.
     
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    No idea. Point being what?

    I can show you hundreds of photos of scantily clad men and women with come hither looks on their faces that a great many people would consider sexually oriented on this very site. I might not consider it that way, and you might not either, but unless you're aware of the cultural norms in hundreds of different cultures around the world you can't judge whether someone sees it as excessive or not. And that's the point entirely. It's subjective, and, without a clear definition, people will innocently fall through the cracks. GTP is moderated and every post is scrutinized if it's report to the moderators. You can discuss things with a moderator, get feedback, get specifics, hash things out. That's my point entirely!! Without clear definitions and without a review process, it's possible some people may slip through the cracks and not be able to play a game they've spent their lives playing and paid good money for. I assume you have no problem understanding that?:lol:
     
  21. VFOURMAX1

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    So basically you are wanting PD to protect people from themselves so they will not get banned is what it boils down to.

    A big part of what is wrong with society in the world today is people seem to lack personal responsibility for their actions and want to blame their miscues or poor decisions on someone else rather than look in the mirror at the actual problem.

    I agree that the tire wear races should be discontinued until the exploit is patched but until it is the player is still the one ultimately responsible for their own actions and agreed before being allowed to play to assume that responsibility.
     
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  22. DigitalBaka

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    But we don't know that these are not being reviewed. Perhaps it was and was found to be ban/suspension-worthy. I feel reasonably certain that being reported for something does not result in an instant revocation of access. I think we'd be flooded with these threads if that were the case.

    I think we can agree that terms for being banned and suspended will never be completely specific because you don't know what you don't know. If PD were to have said "you will be banned for A) ramming and B) swearing and C) running on the grass on turn 16 of Nurb Nord" what happens when they find out about the pit and tire glitches? Does the ban list continually evolve to include new ways of cheating and exploiting or do we just call it "D) exploiting bugs" generally and hold people to that?
     
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  23. VFOURMAX1

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    I can understand where you are coming from in a sense with your argument.

    I also can from a personal point understand that realizing the different cultures across the world the safe play would be to not upload a decal or create a livery that could be deemed to have sexual, racial, or bad language (curse words) as a part of that livery.

    From the real world motorsports I watch the liveries applied to the cars are usually representative of the sponsors whom through either financial or supplying products support the race team in their racing venture so they in fact "buy" the advertisement space they are allotted on the car.

    I do not think I have ever seen a rl race car that had **** YOU written across the rear of the car.
    I do not think I have ever seen images that would be considered pornographic on a car in any major motorsports competition either.

    If people would adhere to guidelines of creating a livery that would very possibly be one that would be seen on a real world race car instead of trying to use a livery to make a statement or show how clever they can be then you would eliminate a large part of what you consider a fall through the cracks type.

    Again people are responsible for what they do whether it is a tire glitch, intentionally ramming people within a race, sending another player nasty messages or even producing a livery on a car.

    Use some common sense and I would pretty much guarantee you will not as a responsible user of the service find your account on the wrong side of the ban hammer.

    You as a player are ultimately responsible for everything that transpires on your PSN and GTS account!

    Not Sony, not PD, ONLY YOU!
     
  24. Tassie_tiger

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    Excellent information and according to the above

    Every ban and suspension on PSN is the result of a thorough investigation by Sony moderation staff. As a result, all suspensions and bans are final and cannot be disputed.[end quote]

    So trying to use the argument that a ban has not been subject to a review lost any all credibility of being relevant.

    Thank you Tassie for posting that.
     
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  26. Tassie_tiger

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    Yeh, and it's PD staff who do the moderating.
    And "bans" are random.
    And words need to be defined.
    And suspensions need to be individually specifically explained in detail.
    And there has to be a review process.

    And all the other rubbish that has been spewed in this thread.
     
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  27. LennyB

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    Nay, I want PD to protect me from unfair races.
     
  28. VFOURMAX1

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    They are, they are banning accounts of people that are using exploits to try to gain an unfair advantage.

    A person that has no problem using one exploit will probably not have a problem using a new discovered exploit down the road.

    PD is looking out for your long time protection from unfair races by removing those players from being able to access the Sport races period.

    Better in my opinion to send those type of players packing than to have the same players continuing to exploit every new glitch which may come to the surface down the road.

    See how much PD cares for your long time well being!;)
     
  29. LennyB

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    And leaving the door wide open in the meantime.

    I think you're just mad at me for calling CSA a joke :p

    I have, since the first day of 5p.
     
  30. VFOURMAX1

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    Believe me when I say that what you think or call something in no way rises to any level of importance in my life to make me mad at you period, much less on a personal level.

    I have the outlook that people can differ on opinion and debate such as adults just be prepared to back up your position by verifiable facts.


    I just see you as someone that regardless of how the facts may be against whatever argument you may be involved in that you cannot accept your position has no merit and you argue based on undocumented opinion only.

    I like a good debate and I will change my position based on facts.
    I was against all aids except ABS and TCS at one time but then I realized that the game was not created just on my wants and my position changed.

    I now fully support any player using whatever aids the game allows within the rules that is not an exploit or a glitch.

    My position changed because of my listening and reading what was being argued for even though at the time I disagreed.

    Just like this, all documented information is 100% against your stance and opinion but yet you repeatedly keep bringing up weak non supported excuses of why the documentation or PD or even Sony is wrong.

    The documentation is not wrong, actually it is very clear and written in black and white and if you play GTS you agreed to abide by it before you ever played the game.

    I have tried to be very diligent in staying on conversation and supporting my opinion with verifiable facts and reasonable opinion based on the facts available.

    You are now resorting to grasping at straws wanting to now blame the conversation on a prior thread about a different subject rather than admitting you having no supportable stance with your statements in this conversation.

    I still think banning the people that intentionally exploit the game is a smart move by PD and will only make the game better for those that play by the rules.