Update 1.11

[Lock2Lock]

What is wrong with the standard's transmissions?

This.

Can't use H-pattern shifters with them.

Exactly.

Yes, you can. What you can't use is the FC transmission. The other transmissions (5 and 6-speed close ratio) are functional

Exactly my point.
I see not problem using a regular clutch and H-pattern shifter with the fully customizable transmission. For no reason should a Subaru 360 have to be forced to use a transmission like that (I know a stupid example of a car but it makes sense).

If they are going to try to make a version of a Dog Box at least do it correctly and not make it ridiculous for every standard car to have a full Dog Box without a clutch and H-pattern.

That's my issue. They want to keep standard cars in the game and want people to enjoy them, fix that and I'll enjoy them or else they are just a waste of space.

 

[GT6OuTLaW]

This.

Exactly.

Exactly my point.
I see not problem using a regular clutch and H-pattern shifter with the fully customizable transmission. For no reason should a Subaru 360 have to be forced to use a transmission like that (I know a stupid example of a car but it makes sense).

If they are going to try to make a version of a Dog Box at least do it correctly and not make it ridiculous for every standard car to have a full Dog Box without a clutch and H-pattern.

That's my issue. They want to keep standard cars in the game and want people to enjoy them, fix that and I'll enjoy them or else they are just a waste of space.

Because its a Dogbox maybe.

PD uses a sequential dog clutch transmission, you guys think it must be broken if PD doesn't let you use a H pattern shifter with a sequential transmission?

Why would PD let you use a H pattern shifter after you install a Dog Clutch Transmission that uses a sequential shifter? Sure close ratio cut gears and the stock transmission, but surely not a Dogbox. If there is anything to be upset over its premiums still using H pattern with a Dog Box not the other way around.

You don't have to install a racing transmission onto every single car, if you want to H pattern a Fiat 500 no big deal.

Im upset if you could use a H shifter on a transmission you shouldn't be able to. That's the real issue. Why are you guys upset when something is done right? Complaining it should be more like something that's off a bit. Makes no sense.

 

[DrivenGTR]

Ok back to the update subject. Wish PD or somebody would give us set dates the updates come out. for example every month between the 5th and the 10th of the month. But no. we have to play a guessing game.
Sorry if it sounds like a Attitude. i have classic Eminem playing

 

[sparkytooth]

Well, deadlines purely depend on the content.

 

[DrivenGTR]

Well, deadlines purely depend on the content.

Yeah true

 

[ryzno]

Exactly nothing to gripe about, hense the HIGH level of Sarcasm in my post.

I missed the . My bad.

 

[ara]

This is fantastic and I am impressed that they have released an update to fix the multi monitor so quickly, considering the logistics.

I am very pleased that we did not have to wait until the next big content update to get this fix. Guys, they are trying. Dispensing complaints just because this update does not satisfy your wishes just hurts whatever scraps of credibility are left in the gtplanet forum population as a whole.

 

[KiroKai]

Any news about the T500RS wheels? Has the FFB been fixed? It's been screwed a lot with in 1.09 and 1.10 didn't change it.

30MB indeed isn't much, but it's enough for minor code changes/fixes.

 

[trevor24]

how about adding those promotional cars like Chevrolet "edge" camaro, Nissan gt-r (gt academy), and that red bull 2011 5g. would that be possible?

 

[C_Raccoon23]

Because its a Dogbox maybe.

PD uses a sequential dog clutch transmission, you guys think it must be broken if PD doesn't let you use a H pattern shifter with a sequential transmission?

Why would PD let you use a H pattern shifter after you install a Dog Clutch Transmission that uses a sequential shifter? Sure close ratio cut gears and the stock transmission, but surely not a Dogbox. If there is anything to be upset over its premiums still using H pattern with a Dog Box not the other way around.

You don't have to install a racing transmission onto every single car, if you want to H pattern a Fiat 500 no big deal.

Im upset if you could use a H shifter on a transmission you shouldn't be able to. That's the real issue. Why are you guys upset when something is done right? Complaining it should be more like something that's off a bit. Makes no sense.

Why force a dog box transmission in the first place? Why can't PD get the word options into their heads already and let us use H-pattern or sequential, regardless if it's the stock transmission, close ratio, or racing? Why do other racing games never have issues with letting players drive their cars how they want, yet GT does?

I have a growing number of upgraded premium cars with the racing transmission. If PD ever releases an update forcing me to use sequential on them, I will sincerely be pissed.

 

[GT6OuTLaW]

Its not forced. You have the option of a stock transmission or 6 speed close ratio gear set if the dog box is too real for you. H pattern to your hearts content.

Dog box is a racing upgrade nobody is forcing on you..........

You would get mad if they increase the realism? Wow, we have greatly different opinions.

 

[poumpoum]

Its not forced. You have the option of a stock transmission or 6 speed close ratio gear set if the dog box is too real for you. H pattern to your hearts content.

Dog box is a racing upgrade nobody is forcing on you..........

You would get mad if they increase the realism? Wow, we have greatly different opinions.

I understand your point of view but I don't think your reasoning is the good one.

1 - My track day car uses a custom gearbox and it is the same for my friends (swapped from another car or modified) and we still use the regular H pattern selector. A lot of people on track day car do the same.

2 - Some cars have incorrect gear ratios that doesn't match IRL ones so a lot of people use the custom gearbox to recreate the real one.

For me this issue is a real bug, I really don't see where is the problem : "PD! Let people use the H pattern when they want with the car they want and the gearbox they want" (times are always better with a sequential gearbox anyway...).

 

[Scaff]

Its not forced. You have the option of a stock transmission or 6 speed close ratio gear set if the dog box is too real for you. H pattern to your hearts content.

Dog box is a racing upgrade nobody is forcing on you..........

You would get mad if they increase the realism? Wow, we have greatly different opinions.

You do realize that its perfectly possible to have a dogbox and retain a H pattern in reality?

As such stopping the use of a H pattern when using a racing transmission is not an increase in reality at all, but rather a simple limitation on the options that are available in reality.

 

[GT6OuTLaW]

You do realize that its perfectly possible to have a dogbox and retain a H pattern in reality?

As such stopping the use of a H pattern when using a racing transmission is not an increase in reality at all, but rather a simple limitation on the options that are available in reality.

Never said it wasn't I said PD uses a sequential dog box. Its the option they chose, and notably most often sequential, more than most often, just not always They don't Give me an option between a CAI or SRI or anything else why would I expect t special treatment of the transmission.

 

[Scaff]

Never said it wasn't I said PD uses a sequential dog box. Its the option they chose, and notably more often sequential, more than most often, just not always . They don't GI e me an option between a CAI or SRI or a ything else why would I expect t speed dial treatment of the transmission.

Now aside from your reply being half gibberish (slow down and check your post before hitting the post button) you implied in your post that this choice by PD increases realism and it clearly doesn't.

 

[GT6OuTLaW]

Now aside from your reply being half gibberish (slow down and check your post before hitting the post button) you implied in your post that this choice by PD increases realism and it clearly doesn't.

I fixed my post, have consideration I'm typing on a phone I actually make an effort to correct my post from spellings etc when I spot them. Not always easy as I have dyslexia, so its not as simple as it appears.

In my opinion it does as 99% of dog boxes are sequential, most are in fact.

 

[Scaff]

I fixed my post, have consideration I'm typing on a phone I actually make an effort to correct my post from spellings etc when I spot them. Not always easy as I have dyslexia, so its not as simple as it appears.

I have a large amount of experience of working with dyslexia and my wife wrote her dissertation on the subject so I am well aware of the traits involved, as such take more care and take more care with the reasons you give. Your errors are not typical of dyslexia at all, simply of lazyness.

In my opinion it does as 99% of dog boxes are sequential, most are in fact.

Citation required, and given that dog boxs have been used for close on a century in racing I seriously doubt you are going to be able to back that up. Yes in modern racing transmissions most (but still not 99%) of dog boxes will be linked to manual transmissions, pretty much any race car prior to that will be a dog box with a H pattern shift (typically with a dog-leg first).

 

[GT6OuTLaW]

Lazy is your opinion, that's fine by me, I feel I make a great effort in my situation and learned from young to overlook belittlement over my writing mistakes added to a touch screen phone and annoying odd auto corrects. If you want to fix on that, its low, but go for it. I got thick skin.

Ohh my mistake I only consider modern upgrades, didn't know we would be digging out old crap from the garage to "upgrade" cars with. That's just a little mild humore, don't get offended, it seems like I'm deliberately being pushed so I'll make light of it instead of getting nasty in an unfair situation . In racing today most (regardless of the number attached to a percentage) are sequential. I have my opinion, all in GT should be sequential (my opinion) maybe Ill get my wish in a update. I'll rant and rave if I don't get it though, got to be my way or PD is bad at programming.... Wait, that's not me, I don't care if they do or don't, I'm good either way, it is what it is.

 

[FarSideX]

Actually yes I do! Those damn prompts that force the system to reboot within 15 minutes or offer for you to delay the reboot for 4 hours maximum are a royal nuissance! They often seem to pop up when you're halfway through a lengthy project rather than when the system has been sitting there idle for 6 hours.

LOL, the pop up messages are almost as annoying as the 'Installing update 1 of 72' screen you get when shutting down a laptop when in a hurry to catch a plane.

I probably could have worded that better but I was referring to the content of the updates.

 

[Scaff]

Lazy is your opinion, that's fine by me, I feel I make a great effort in my situation and learned from young to overlook belittlement over my writing mistakes added to a touch screen phone and annoying odd auto corrects. If you want to fix on that, its low, but go for it. I got thick skin.

Ohh my mistake I only consider modern upgrades, didn't know we would be digging out old crap from the garage to "upgrade" cars with. That's just a little mild humore, don't get offended, it seems like I'm deliberately being pushed so I'll make light of it instead of getting nasty in an unfair situation . In racing today most (regardless of the number attached to a percentage) are sequential. I have my opinion, all in GT should be sequential (my opinion) maybe Ill get my wish in a update. I'll rant and rave if I don't get it though, got to be my way or PD is bad at programming.... Wait, that's not me, I don't care if they do or don't, I'm good either way, it is what it is.

Then why did you position this as PD being realistic and use that point to try and undermine others.

Holding it as an opinion is one thing, but stating other don't have a demand for reality because of it is simply untrue.

You are also only focusing on higher tier motorsport, the vast majority of cars modified for motorsport are at the club level and many, many cars will have a transmission modified to a dog-box without upgrading to a sequential system (take a look at any motorsport supplier and you will see a massive range of dog-box conversion kits that do not require the fitment of a sequential system - which would add a large amount of additional expense).

So in reality your "In my opinion it does as 99% of dog boxes are sequential, most are in fact." is neither an opinion (simply sticking that it front of a factual claim doesn't change the claim to fact) or accurate given that it would only apply to modern higher tier racing.

 

[GT6OuTLaW]

In my opinion its more realistic to have sequential dog box tranny because most dog box tranny are sequential. Am I focusing on too high a level of motorsports? Maybe, that's a good point. It wasn't made prior. Its all good though H or Sequential really is trivial to me. I'll be honest and say I just get annoyed with, X isn't how I like it, so PD bad programming. Seems that's what you need to do to be "cool" around here.

If I've done another post to be warned or tagged with more demerit points, just go for it. Why are you in your posion, pushing me? Its almost as if you're pushing me to say some thing so you can take more points from me..

 

[Scaff]

In my opinion its more realistic to have sequential dog box tranny because most dog box tranny are sequential. Am I focusing on too high a level of motorsports? Maybe, that's a good point. It wasn't made prior.

It being your option doesn't stop it being wrong, so long as you position it as an opinion then its not an issue. However you were stating it as a fact, which it quite clearly isn't.

Its all good though H or Sequential really is trivial to me.

And for many others its not.

If I've done another post to be warned or tagged with more demerit points why are over, just go for it. Why are you in your posion, pushing me? Its almost as if you're pushing me to say some thing so you can take more points from me. Very clever to dig in ways that can be denied as digs.

What!

I'm pointing out that your factual claim is inaccurate, being wrong (as you are) isn't an AUP violation and I've not come close to saying anything of the like.

I would suggest that you leave the paranoia at the door and instead focus on making sure that you don't state opinion as if it were fact.

 

[GT6OuTLaW]

What?

Very clever to dig in ways that can be denied as digs, but no I'm just lazy and blame it on dyslexia.

It goes both ways though. If BOTH are equaly viable, then as it is, it is realistic, and changing it won't make it more or less so. So both positions moot, his argument is about personal preference and not realism.

 

[Scaff]

What?

Very clever to dig in ways that can be denied as digs, but no I'm just lazy and blame it on dyslexia.

I stated it once, you keep bring it up. Its a bit odd to keep complaining about a discussion you are now only having with yourself?

It goes both ways though. If BOTH are equaly viable, then as it is, it is realistic, and changing it won't make it more or less so. So both positions moot.

If both are equally viable and yet only one is allowed by PD then its not realistic and to suggest as much makes no sense at all. If both are equally viable then the only realistic option is to make both available, and if PD were to do that it would of course be more realistic.

If a Honda Civic can be fitted with a dog box with either a H gate or a sequential (and it can) and only one if offered then its 50% realistic, if both were offered it would be 100% realistic. As such your claim is (once again) clearly not correct.

 

[GT6OuTLaW]

I stated it once, you keep bring it up. Its a bit odd to keep complaining about a discussion you are now only having with yourself

Wow, okay then, looks like I'm right.

If both are equally viable and yet only one is allowed by PD then its not realistic and to suggest as much makes no sense at all. If both are equally viable then the only realistic option is to make both available, and if PD were to do that it would of course be more realistic.

If a Honda Civic can be fitted with a dog box with either a H gate or a sequential (and it can) and only one if offered then its 50% realistic, if both were offered it would be 100% realistic. As such your claim is (once again) clearly not correct.

Now your pushing your opinion as fact....

I suggest either one is realalistic as they are both viable. Guy mad at no H pattern is still in a realistically viable car, so is the guy mad about not having a sequential. Just because both options viable doesn't mean we get the choice of both, and not having every option for the car doesn't make the options we do have any less realistic....

Gripe then about needing every upgrade available to the car for there to be realism. That makes no sense to me.....

Need those iridium plugs, the game is less real if I don't get an option for iridium plugs?

As I said previously, I got no choice on any A or B type of the same part, I can't opt for 4-1 header vs a 4-2-1 or CAI vs SRI, so if there is only one option for transmissions its still realistic even if don't get the choice of every single upgrade availible or the car. Next you will say its needs every brand of aftermarket upgrade where does it stop?

A lack of an option does not remove any realism from the options you do have. That's my opinion, have a nice night...

 

[Scaff]

I suggest either one is realalistic as they are both viable. Guy mad at no H pattern is still in a realistically viable car, so is the guy mad about not having a sequential. Just because both options viable doesn't mean we get the choice of both, and not having every option for the car doesn't make the options we do have any less realistic....

Gripe then about needing every upgrade available to the car for there to be realism. That makes no sense to me.....

Need those iridium plugs, the game is less real if I don't get an option for iridium plugs?

As I said previously, I got no choice on any A or B type of the same part, I can't opt for 4-1 header vs a 4-2-1 or CAI vs SRI, so if there is only one option for transmissions its still realistic even if don't get the choice of every single upgrade availible or the car. Next you will say its needs every brand of aftermarket upgrade where does it stop?

A lack of an option does not remove any realism from the options you do have.

Which would be all well and good had you not been the one that was claiming that by restricting realistic options PD were offering greater realism....

Its not forced. You have the option of a stock transmission or 6 speed close ratio gear set if the dog box is too real for you. H pattern to your hearts content.

Dog box is a racing upgrade nobody is forcing on you..........

You would get mad if they increase the realism? Wow, we have greatly different opinions.

....its actually quite simple. You made a claim that has turned out to be incorrect....

Im upset if you could use a H shifter on a transmission you shouldn't be able to. That's the real issue. Why are you guys upset when something is done right? Complaining it should be more like something that's off a bit. Makes no sense.

....and rather than simply acknowledging that and moving on you continue to try and claim is realistic by throwing in straw man arguments.

That's my opinion, have a nice night...

Thanks, I will do in about eight hours time.

 

[GT6OuTLaW]

Which would be all well and good had you not been the one that was claiming that by restricting realistic options PD were offering greater realism....



....its actually quite simple. You made a claim that has turned out to be incorrect and rather than simply acknowledging that and moving on you continue to try and claim is realistic by throwing in straw man arguments.


Thanks, I will do in about eight hours time.

Funny how you have to jump back . I did post you brought up a good point I had not previously considered, & with that in consideration the conversation evolved, you did not come with I guess. I would hope you could follow a conversation, understanding its a path not a circle.......

Did I not say your point on H patterns was something I had not conciderred? What the heck was that? You want more? I said clearly your point was good, I mean now your just trying to make me out to be a bad guy.

Its rediculous to keep going.

 

[FarSideX]

If a Honda Civic can be fitted with a dog box with either a H gate or a sequential (and it can) and only one if offered then its 50% realistic, if both were offered it would be 100% realistic. As such your claim is (once again) clearly not correct.

Is there any chance you could take your off topic discussion elsewhere? Reading page after page about transmissions in a topic about an update is annoying. Add to that you spewing forum rules and such. Try using some simple netiquette and take it elsewhere.

 

[Scaff]

Funny how you have to jump back . I did post you brought up a good point I had not previously considered, in with that in consideration as the conversation evolved you did not.

Its rediculous to keep going.

Lets be candid about this, you were 100% wrong on your understanding of dog-boxes and how GT relates to reality in that regard and yet you have maintained that its still as realistic as giving both options. In doing so you are the one keeping this going.

Is there any chance you could take your off topic discussion elsewhere? Reading page after page about transmissions in a topic about an update is annoying. Add to that you spewing forum rules and such. Try using some simple netiquette and take it elsewhere.

A valid point that could and should have been worded better.

However I will not apologies for correcting a blatant inaccuracy, on or off topic, please also keep in mind that a PM or report would have been a better option to use.

 

[GT6OuTLaW]

Lets be candid about this, you were 100% wrong on your understanding of dog-boxes and how GT relates to reality in that regard and yet you have maintained that its still as realistic as giving both options. In doing so you are the one keeping this going.

That I disagree with, you can attack me all you like, no sweat off my back.

A valid point that could and should have been worded better.

As yours.

However I will not apologies for correcting a blatant inaccuracy, on or off topic, please also keep in mind that a PM or report would have been a better option to use.

Yikes, have you no diplomacy, any tact?