Worst You've Dealt With Online...

[Johnnypenso]

Any of you experienced lag? I've had a few shunts that the other guys described differently.

Also, I think the main issue with online is that everyone has his own braking points and racing line. I get brake checked a lot, not on purpose.

Simple solution for that, don't follow so closely or brake on a different entry. I do it all the time. But it's obvious from 3 years of GT online that courtesy is a rare thing amongst random players so the next step is to enforce it though licensing and a safety rating. It will work, but it'll never happen because of PD's narrow mindset of catering to casual players who just want to press a couple of buttons and be online after playing offline for a few hours. They will think it's too complicated to have to obtain a racing license and it'll make people mad if they can't get into a room because they don't meet the restrictions. It is what it is, this is what comes from a generic driving game that caters to soccer moms, 12 year olds and everyone else. It tries to please everyone and ends up pleasing very few.

 

[ParkerMO125]

Any of you experienced lag? I've had a few shunts that the other guys described differently.

Also, I think the main issue with online is that everyone has his own braking points and racing line. I get brake checked a lot, not on purpose.

that's why if I don't know the person in front of me is capable of actually remaining in front of me, I adjust my race line so that they won't be hitting me when they brake way too early

 

[BHRxRacer]

Simple solution for that, don't follow so closely or brake on a different entry. I do it all the time. But it's obvious from 3 years of GT online that courtesy is a rare thing amongst random players so the next step is to enforce it though licensing and a safety rating. It will work, but it'll never happen because of PD's narrow mindset of catering to casual players who just want to press a couple of buttons and be online after playing offline for a few hours. They will think it's too complicated to have to obtain a racing license and it'll make people mad if they can't get into a room because they don't meet the restrictions. It is what it is, this is what comes from a generic driving game that caters to soccer moms, 12 year olds and everyone else. It tries to please everyone and ends up pleasing very few.

You have to follow closely for the slipstream, and braking on a different entry with track edge reduction makes me outbrake myself more often than I'd like. I know it's partly my fault, but when different cars behave differently under braking so you'll tend to have a lot of brake checks.

I agree with the whole jack of all trades but master of none bit. That shouldn't mean the game has to be bad. It can cater to casuals as well as fans. In this case, They can sort out lobbies based on highest License. A simple "race for real" and "race for fun" doesn't cut it.

 

[R5]

I disagree, every driver that normally plays on RS tires that comes into my lobby cannot keep their car under control. I can almost guarantee that the same would be true with your rocket. If you tune a street car on racing tires it is not tuned. the excessive grip is masking trouble areas and car characteristics that you won't know about unless you go down on tires. A RS tune could be good on RS tires and suck on everything else. A properly tuned car will be good on any tire and only need to be stiffened up as you go higher in grip.

I guess what i'm trying to get across is that you will never get better if you always play a game on easy. Why play something as competitive as a racing game if you aren't looking for competition and a challenge ?

Right... So me driving my rocket on CH tyres is better?

Even though it is literally undriveable under acceleration, due to skinny tyres, high power and low downforce?

It's not easy- easy is making a 100000000000bhp (notice not hp, this is the useable power) X1 and racing against 400pp Autozams. I race it against stuff like GT500, GT3 cars where RS tyres are kinda needed to keep up. And they also use RS, this alone says its not easy mode, as its more equal.

 

[Johnnypenso]

I agree with the whole jack of all trades but master of none bit. That shouldn't mean the game has to be bad. It can cater to casuals as well as fans. In this case, They can sort out lobbies based on highest License. A simple "race for real" and "race for fun" doesn't cut it.

You have to break out of your own logical mindset and think like PD. You and I know it can cater to casuals but this is the company that forces SRF on, the most unrealistic aid possible in some license tests and other events. The same company that allows SRF in TT's for some reason, when we were fine without them for 2+ years. The same company that thinks 24 minutes is an enduro and that what we really wanted offline was a series of 3 and 4 lap races against AI that actually slow down and let us win..in a racing game. And you win stars. Stars. Remember grade 2? Stars

A company like that is deathly afraid of alienating JohnnyCasual123 and all of his friends because they can't get into the "500 PP RS at the 'Ring" room. Why can't they get in? Because it's limited to E licenses (lowest possible ranking in my imaginary licensing system) and they have yet to run the license tests because it's "stupid, why should I need a license to race online, I paid $60 for the game, blah, blah, whine, whine..."

Right... So me driving my rocket on CH tyres is better?

Even though it is literally undriveable under acceleration, due to skinny tyres, high power and low downforce?

It's not easy- easy is making a 100000000000bhp (notice not hp, this is the useable power) X1 and racing against 400pp Autozams. I race it against stuff like GT500, GT3 cars where RS tyres are kinda needed to keep up. And they also use RS, this alone says its not easy mode, as its more equal.

You're making a strawman argument. It's not a question of "better" with one tire or the other, it's a question wanting a bigger challenge and utilizing more of your skill by bringing out the subtle intricacies in PD's physics programming, that is mostly lost on RS tires. That is not to say that you can't enjoy RS tires, do whatever you want, some people are just looking for a different challenge.

And yes, the rocket can be driven on CH tires, it just isn't easy.

 

[Z1-AV69]

You have to follow closely for the slipstream, and braking on a different entry with track edge reduction makes me outbrake myself more often than I'd like. I know it's partly my fault, but when different cars behave differently under braking so you'll tend to have a lot of brake checks.

No, it's all your fault if you bump into someones rear (lag might be an excuse though, once). Your mindset is a big reason for this whole thread.

 

[BHRxRacer]

No, it's all your fault if you bump into someones rear (lag might be an excuse though, once). Your mindset is a big reason for this whole thread.

Not even 10% of the time, no. I typically start braking side by side and if I'm too hot I go off. Nobody gets hurt. What I refer to is when the other driver brakes TOO early while I'm still slipstreaming far from any logical braking point, almost AI-like. I'll get on the game later and see if I have a replay.

 

[Z1-AV69]

Not even 10% of the time, no. I typically start braking side by side and if I'm too hot I go off. Nobody gets hurt. What I refer to is when the other driver brakes TOO early while I'm still slipstreaming far from any logical braking point, almost AI-like. I'll get on the game later and see if I have a replay.

Yes, I know. But the leading driver may choose his braking point freely and the following car has to make sure not to hit him. You can follow only as close as you can make sure not to bump it.

 

[BHRxRacer]

Yes, I know. But the leading driving may choose his braking point freely and the following car has to make sure not to hit him. You can follow only as close as you can make sure not to bump it.

Nurburgring GP track. That last heavy braking point before the final chicane. Where do you brake in a 400-450 pp car? I brake a little before the 100 meter board, but online some drivers brake before the 150. That's insane. Unless you disable slipstreaming I'll keep following until that point then switch to the inside/outside.

 

[xZAMGMarmite]

I joined a cruise lobby on SSR7 last night, picked my car and then got booted out randomly for no reason. The lobby was mainly Americans and a Canadian (i join lobbies like that most of the time and never been booted out like that)

I don't want to make this sound like a wishlist, but PD need to either remove the kick feature or make it more complex to make it harder to kick people out (as kicking people out of a lobby for no valid reason is stupid and makes me hate online) , such as it could analyse the on track data. (Such as speed, crashes into other players or objects, drifts/power-slides, etc.. from each player then the kicking system can be based off that, I think that is more fair and stops people abusing the in game kicking system.)

 

[ImToLegitToQuit]

Right... So me driving my rocket on CH tyres is better?

Even though it is literally undriveable under acceleration, due to skinny tyres, high power and low downforce?

It's not easy- easy is making a 100000000000bhp (notice not hp, this is the useable power) X1 and racing against 400pp Autozams. I race it against stuff like GT500, GT3 cars where RS tyres are kinda needed to keep up. And they also use RS, this alone says its not easy mode, as its more equal.

i'm not sure how to comment on this one. You threw some stupid analogy out there so i'm just going to ignore that. I do have a question though. are you taking your rocket in to online lobbies that are racing LMP and GT cars, or are you using it in single player races ? either way it seems like you are technically using the wrong car for the job.

Now everyone has their preferred cars and by all means drive what makes you happy, but if a car comes with skinny tires, it's not meant to have tons of horse power. You have proved my point with your statement though. I heard " i've upgraded my car to the point where it is undriveable so I have to use RS tires". and it's not undriveable, it's just delicate.

Cars like the rocket are not easy to drive fast in real life. The ariel atom is very hard to drive fast and is very twitchy. If you get in a ferrari on factory tires and just floor it, you are going to spin out. So yes, you have to drive high HP cars delicately and using comfort or sport tires mikes you a better driver. I personally like a challenge and enjoy figuring a car out and getting faster by practice. The racing is just better when the cars behavior is not masked by tons of grip.

 

[R5]

i'm not sure how to comment on this one. You threw some stupid analogy out there so i'm just going to ignore that. I do have a question though. are you taking your rocket in to online lobbies that are racing LMP and GT cars, or are you using it in single player races ? either way it seems like you are technically using the wrong car for the job.

Now everyone has their preferred cars and by all means drive what makes you happy, but if a car comes with skinny tires, it's not meant to have tons of horse power. You have proved my point with your statement though. I heard " i've upgraded my car to the point where it is undriveable so I have to use RS tires". and it's not undriveable, it's just delicate.

Cars like the rocket are not easy to drive fast in real life. The ariel atom is very hard to drive fast and is very twitchy. If you get in a ferrari on factory tires and just floor it, you are going to spin out. So yes, you have to drive high HP cars delicately and using comfort or sport tires mikes you a better driver. I personally like a challenge and enjoy figuring a car out and getting faster by practice. The racing is just better when the cars behavior is not masked by tons of grip.

Youre expecting CH tyres to provide the grip to drive the thing fast? Logic right there.

And yes online, it does fine so I don't really think its the wrong car... And I never said LMP.

READ. MY. POST.

You have to break out of your own logical mindset and think like PD. You and I know it can cater to casuals but this is the company that forces SRF on, the most unrealistic aid possible in some license tests and other events. The same company that allows SRF in TT's for some reason, when we were fine without them for 2+ years. The same company that thinks 24 minutes is an enduro and that what we really wanted offline was a series of 3 and 4 lap races against AI that actually slow down and let us win..in a racing game. And you win stars. Stars. Remember grade 2? Stars

A company like that is deathly afraid of alienating JohnnyCasual123 and all of his friends because they can't get into the "500 PP RS at the 'Ring" room. Why can't they get in? Because it's limited to E licenses (lowest possible ranking in my imaginary licensing system) and they have yet to run the license tests because it's "stupid, why should I need a license to race online, I paid $60 for the game, blah, blah, whine, whine..."



You're making a strawman argument. It's not a question of "better" with one tire or the other, it's a question wanting a bigger challenge and utilizing more of your skill by bringing out the subtle intricacies in PD's physics programming, that is mostly lost on RS tires. That is not to say that you can't enjoy RS tires, do whatever you want, some people are just looking for a different challenge.

And yes, the rocket can be driven on CH tires, it just isn't easy.

"It just isn't easy"

350bhp. It isn't possible.

 

[ImToLegitToQuit]

the point my OP was trying to get to is when you see a lobby that is "450-600pp Street CLEAN" i'm not expecting a bunch of civics and S2K's on racing slicks playing pinball in the first corner.

I use a DS3 and have trouble on comfort tires with a lot of cars too, but there is no reason to go above SS unless you are using an actual race car IMO. I have a 600pp R8 with 734hp and it has tons of grip. There's also the LFA's with around 530hp that do just fine on SS tires. Properly tuning the LSD goes a long way to making a RWD car easier to drive. If you don't care to learn how to tune the car right and just throw some slicks on it then they are a crutch, not a vital part of a tune.

I didn't mean LMP earlier, i meant GT3.

Youre expecting CH tyres to provide the grip to drive the thing fast? Logic right there.

And yes online, it does fine so I don't really think its the wrong car... And I never said LMP.

READ. MY. POST.


"It just isn't easy"

350bhp. It isn't possible.

I'm thinking your definition of fast is - without use of skill. you just want to be able to floor it and not have to worry about reaching the limits and managing that knife edge to be fast.

That's not fast, that's easy

 

[KingKlingeling]

I'm thinking your definition of fast is - without use of skill. you just want to be able to floor it and not have to worry about reaching the limits and managing that knife edge to be fast.

That's not fast, that's easy

am I allowed to use your post as on of my signatures ? you naild it there 👍

 

[ImToLegitToQuit]

am I allowed to use your post as on of my signatures ? you naild it there 👍

lol sure man

Youre expecting CH tyres to provide the grip to drive the thing fast? Logic right there.

And yes online, it does fine so I don't really think its the wrong car... And I never said LMP.

READ. MY. POST.


"It just isn't easy"

350bhp. It isn't possible.

I don't want to sound like There is a wrong way to enjoy something, if you are having fun keep it up. I'm saying that I think you might have more fun by going down to sport softs and learning the car.

 

[Ameer67]

Worst I've dealt with online is the online itself. Server problems nearly all the time!

 

[MrUnknown]

Worst I've dealt with online is the online itself. Server problems nearly all the time!

Ah.... Ah....

... Blame PD.

 

[Z1-AV69]

Nurburgring GP track. That last heavy braking point before the final chicane. Where do you brake in a 400-450 pp car? I brake a little before the 100 meter board, but online some drivers brake before the 150. That's insane. Unless you disable slipstreaming I'll keep following until that point then switch to the inside/outside.

My point stands: it's the following drivers duty not to bumb, no matter what.

But regarding that special point: What do you gain by following so late towards the breaking zone? If the other brakes that early, go inside, zoom past and brake later. No need for that very little slipstream advantage.

Btw: Online a lot of drivers will brake earlier if you are following too close because they want to be able to catch it if you bump. It's often a good idea if the driver close behind is unknown or even suspicious.

 

[R5]

I don't want to sound like There is a wrong way to enjoy something, if you are having fun keep it up. I'm saying that I think you might have more fun by going down to sport softs and learning the car.

I do use SS tyres on many cars (and CH tyres on my 81 BHP Caterham) I just also enjoy RS tyres and think that it doesn't make me less of a driver/tuner is all. Glad we're leaving it here. Could have gone out of control. Like Zooey on comfort soft tyres... Couldn't resist.

 

[_Integra_]

Ive been spending a lot of time on GT5 recently, but o', there is always one lobby on GT6 I have to join that's ****.
*clears throat*
So I join a cruise lobby on SRRX with one mate, and I head straight out on track in my integra,
And start cruising at a nice 120mph, then a guy comes hurtling down the track in a '13 viper, smashing into me. Then...oh...his mate comes in a mustang and they box me in on the barrier.
Then they get very rude.
(Viper man= VM, mustang man= mm)
Vp-"watch out n****, learn to drive you c***"
Mm- "And get a better car you Japanese t***"
Me- woah, watch your language, 1.racisms is bad and I am not coloured( i have nothing against different races) 2. You learn to drive. You wiped me out, I was cruising. And 3. I'm not Japanese, I like Japanese cars a lot, and I could easily smoke your muscle cars with a Japanese car.
Vm-"bring it on. ********** start the race"
At this point I get into my GTO VR-4 and my mate is in a skyline R34.
The race starts, I get a good getaway, and For 3\4 of the lap I am 2nd ( 1st is in a TK ZZll) until Mr.Host, (in a dodge ram) comes charging at me, and smashes me, taking out my mate aswell, leave VM&mm to win, they say "hahahahahaha you c***s, go back to your cave and learn to drive in a straight line"
"I'm gonna hunt u dwn nd kll u" says the host as I had "broken the front of his dodge Ram"

You have been kicked from the lobby.

Wow.just..just..wow. I'm am sticking to GTP and friend lobbies from now on.

If I have used\done anything I shouldn't of mods, please feel free to change it.

 

[Gotbeefboy564]

It's idiots like them is the reason I don't go online.

 

[mistersafeway]

My point stands: it's the following drivers duty not to bumb, no matter what.

But regarding that special point: What do you gain by following so late towards the breaking zone? If the other brakes that early, go inside, zoom past and brake later. No need for that very little slipstream advantage.

Btw: Online a lot of drivers will brake earlier if you are following too close because they want to be able to catch it if you bump. It's often a good idea if the driver close behind is unknown or even suspicious.

How can you justify brake checking random people? I've done it, but only when screwing around with friends.

 

[Z1-AV69]

How can you justify brake checking random people? I've done it, but only when screwing around with friends.

Brake checking on a straight is something different, true. But that's not what he was talking about. It happened in the braking zone.

 

[ImToLegitToQuit]

How can you justify brake checking random people? I've done it, but only when screwing around with friends.

A lot of times it depends on how comfortable they are with the track/car combo. They might be breaking early because they normally use the racing line and are in a lobby whew its not allowed. I get around this behavior and wrecks in general by allowing all aids except for srf. If it means there will be less wrecks and people going of track I say let them use what makes them better.

 

[MrUnknown]

*Enters to a Track Day lobby on Matterhorn*

*Puts this video*

*People laugh*

*Gets kicked*

*Many laughs*

 

[Team THRT Drift]

Hosts lobby. States going AFK....

 

[R5]

Hosts lobby. States going AFK....

You turn into Pharrell Williams?

I think it's a pain we all know.

Cops room, host leaves for 10 minutes, room goes into meltdown- X1s ramming everyone, being rammed by Rams and Veyrons, people 'drifting' their crappy Sivlias. Host came back and kicked all of us. When I was in an I-Miev... In an 80mph room

 

[xZAMGMarmite]

I was in a cruise lobby last night on London (one of the first for a while, been playing other games) and some dude in a Supra randomly rammed me and then accused me of hitting him. And he was calling me names like ******* (my tablet messes up with smileys some times) for something I did not do. Was not my fault that he couldn't drive or his brakes did not work.

 

[rallymorten]

I was in a cruise lobby last night on London (one of the first for a while, been playing other games) and some dude in a Supra randomly rammed me and then accused me of hitting him. And he was calling me names like ******* (my tablet messes up with smileys some times) for something I did not do. Was not my fault that he couldn't drive or his brakes did not work.

Online Logic #1: It's never your fault that you hit someone.

Online Logic #2: Because Online Logic #1 is always in force, it's always someone else's fault, thus they were hitting you.

Online Logic #3: That "someone else" is always the victim.

Online Logic #4: This gives you the right to call people whatever you feel like and generally do what you want.

Online Logic #5: No exceptions from the above.

 

[R5]

True again. Apparently I brake checked someone in my 140bhp Volvo estate (in brown)

When he was in a Dodge Viper '13... And I still got the blame