Anyone planning to drop GT5?

[eight6er]

I voted no, because I've not played GT5 in months so I can't plan to drop it, either way if Forza 4 turns out good I'd buy that too, but it doesn't mean I will never play GT5 again just because I own forza 4.

 

[MoGoSpeed]

@

OMGbees

This is what you said I state again! To you to Toronado.

"But I just don't see this game being relevant anymore, even with that new content."

Your opinion of relevance is yours, your own, only you. Now as it seems where this Poll is, the Relevance isn't gone with this overall consensus, especially among this community.

Then factor in....

Also considering this poll was before the Spec II update/DLC confirmation. Also considering the Spec II thread which blew up after news.

So there seems to be plenty of people still engaged, therefore making this game relevant still.

Whats so hard for you to understand.


EDIT: Not only that..... You came to this Gran Turismo website and signed up 10 months later. Seems the game is extremely Irrelevant right.

 

[omgitsbees]

Your opinion of relevance is yours, your own, only you.

I've stated that this is true, time and time again now. We are in agreement.

EDIT: Not only that..... You came to this Gran Turismo website and signed up 10 months later. Seems the game is extremely Irrelevant right.

Look, i'm not going to repeat myself over again, read the thread. Show some honest effort, if not for me, for yourself. Can you do that? Is that possible? Go back the last few pages, and read it.

 

[MoGoSpeed]

Im in agreement, the game may be irrelevant to you. But overall to this community it's clearly not.

 

[Dmarc_Atl]

Maybe you should have asked for clarification from the start? Although I don't know how I could have been anymore clear. If the roles were reversed, I would have saw that you were just stating your opinion. Would have been "okay cool man, I respect that, I don't agree, but I can see why some people might think what you do!" Short of just a crazy amount of hyperbole, it's pretty obvious when someone is stating an opinion, unless they say otherwise.

I don't know how you can take issue with what I said when someone else stated the following;


That's the EXACT sort of thing you're talking about here, and it didn't come from me.

Once again beating a dead horse.
If it was that "obvious" to notice your opinion we wouldnt be going on about this.

If I were in your shoes I probably wouldve said something along these lines

"Not a lot of reason to, when Forza 4, appears be superior in every way to GT5 to me. Much like how I felt Forza 3 was. However, depending on how the DLC and Spec 2.0 update goes, i'll at least buy the DLC and check out the updates for GT5. But this game isnt relevant to me anymore, even with that new content.


Simple
Seems like you worded it the way you worded it to get a reaction
Which is why label you as a troll
If I attacked everyone opinion I wouldve been on here arguing with everyone.

 

[omgitsbees]

Once again beating a dead horse.
If it was that "obvious" to notice your opinion we wouldnt be going on about this.

Your reading comprehension issues are not my problem. A couple people in this thread, knew what I meant. They didn't need it spelled out for them. You did, that's your own fault.

 

[CSLACR]

Well not necessarily say in my opinion but something like that wouldve made it more clear.
I said he was right . why keep beating a dead horse?

Saying a old game is irrelevant in present day isnt the same as calling a newer game irrelevant.

Any GT or FM game is relevant to anything in this thread, period.

But frankly the people who come in to actually state their piece on the subject have been ignored since page 5. It's always about proving the other person wrong, instead of reasonably taking fact and opinion, and making a decision and simply stating your piece, most people feel a "need" to prove one game or the other best.

So in a final attempt at topic:

No, I won't drop GT5 for FM4, but I will give FM4 a chance, because it's probably fun, and has way to many cars important to me.
If anything, I could get by everything else, (and did in the past) but I can't get past this, and it's something the folks at PD have been ignoring since the beginning.

1987 Pontiac Trans Am GTA
1973 Pontiac Firebird Trans Am SD-455
2002 Pontiac Firebird Trans Am Ram Air
2009 Pontiac G8 GXP
2006 Pontiac GTO
1969 Pontiac GTO Judge
2009 Pontiac Solstice GXP
2006 Saturn ION Red Line
1969 Oldsmobile Hurst/Olds 442
1993 Ford SVT Cobra R
2010 Ford Taurus SHO
1998 Eagle Talon TSI Turbo (Oh, look! the good one )
2006 Dodge Ram SRT-10
2004 Chrysler PT Cruiser GT
1970 Chevrolet El Camino SS 454
1964 Chevrolet Impala SS 409
2006 Chevrolet #4 Corvette Racing C6R
2004 Cadillac CTS-V
2002 Chevrolet Camaro 35th Anniversary SS

I started loving GT because I could drive everyday cars, typically the "fast" versions of them, some of which are listed above, through the 13 years, I continually expected some more American cars, and more anything "not another Skyline" cars.

Now I see FM has been serving up the cars I've been asking for, and I never questioned not getting GT in any way.
I see this now (a few weeks ago ) that FM has been trying to give me exactly what I asked for, and I never once actually considered it could be better, so I just grabbed a PS3.

So if the physics and gameplay are good enough, I may in the end, eventually drop the GT series.
The cars make the game for me, and no matter how many versions of RX-7's, S2000's, Skyline's, & Miata's PD throws my way the only cars I care to drive in GT anymore are the new ones. That's the real reason I hate standards, because it's the same tired old crap, and that's my view on it. Sure, some of the GT4 standards I drive, but I've basically started to loathe these Japanese cars because they've been 75% of my driving options if I'm going to play GT for over a decade, and I'm done.

 

[MoGoSpeed]

👍 Thank you Dmarc_Atl

That was his missing link.

 

[Dmarc_Atl]

Your reading comprehension issues are not my problem. A couple people in this thread, knew what I meant. They didn't need it spelled out for them. You did, that's your own fault.

My reading comprehension isnt a problem.
I misinterpretate your comment.
There is no fault
Other people read it the same way I read it. So ... its not just me who misinterpretate your comment

I find it incredibly weird that those 3 didnt take your comment as trolling.And treated you as if you were a long term member.

 

[omgitsbees]

I misinterpretate your comment.

Yes... proving my point. And it is your fault when you claim I said something I didn't. If you're unsure, then maybe next time you should ask questions?

I find it incredibly weird that those 3 didnt take your comment as trolling.And treated you as if you were a long term member.

No one treated me as a long time member. They treated me as a normal person, who's registration date means absolutely nothing. Which guess what? It doesn't. If I joined GTP, years ago, I would still be saying the exact samething i'm saying right now.

 

[CSLACR]

👍 Thank you Dmarc_Atl

That was his missing link.

My reading comprehension isnt a problem.
I misinterpretate your comment.
There is no fault
Other people read it the same way I read it. So ... its not just me who misinterpretate your comment

I find it incredibly weird that those 3 didnt take your comment as trolling.And treated you as if you were a long term member.

Yes... proving my point.



No one treated me as a long time member. They treated me as a normal person, who's registration date means absolutely nothing. Which guess what? It doesn't. If I joined GTP, years ago, I would still be saying the exact samething i'm saying right now.

But frankly the people who come in to actually state their piece on the subject have been ignored since page 5. It's always about proving the other person wrong.

Everyone always has to have the last say, don't they?
God forbid there's a topic.👎

 

[Dmarc_Atl]

This part of the topic

 

[Dmarc_Atl]

Yes... proving my point. And it is your fault when you claim I said something I didn't. If you're unsure, then maybe next time you should ask questions?



No one treated me as a long time member. They treated me as a normal person, who's registration date means absolutely nothing. Which guess what? It doesn't. If I joined GTP, years ago, I would still be saying the exact samething i'm saying right now.

Lmao oh it so obvious
Either your that other dude who kept going on about the aup or he is your twin brother or you 2 share incredibly similar traits.
wait wait let me ask I dont want to assume things ... Are you that other dude who kept going on about the AUP then left in a blazing glory breaking rules in the AUP?

My misinterpretation of your comment that couldve been interpreted in an infinite amount of different ways with the wording you chose is not the same as a lack of comprehension my friend.That was not your point.

Ive seen newer members get labeled as trolls with less bold comments then yours quite often around here.
Your registration date has everything to do with everything. If you had say 20 or 50 post prior to your 1st comment this arguement wouldnt be going on right now.

 

[shurnster]

Lmao oh it so obvious
Either your that other dude who kept going on about the aup or he is your twin brother or you 2 share incredibly similar traits.
wait wait let me ask I dont want to assume things ... Are you that other dude who kept going on about the AUP then left in a blazing glory breaking rules in the AUP?

My misinterpretation of your comment that couldve been interpreted in an infinite amount of different ways with the wording you chose is not the same as a lack of comprehension my friend.That was not your point.

Ive seen newer members get labeled as trolls with less bold comments then yours quite often around here.
Your registration date has everything to do with everything. If you had say 20 or 50 post prior to your 1st comment this arguement wouldnt be going on right now.

lol are you talking about II-zOoLoGy-II?

 

[Dmarc_Atl]

Yea because they both go on about the person they are arguing proving their point.
There are other little subtle bits in his argument that scream zoology.
But it might just be my imagination lol

Not to mention he just sent me a vm basically insulting me by belittling me haha same thing zoology does.
Theyve gotta be related.
Something has to be wrong because I dont usually argue with people like this besides zoology and occasionally tornado.

 

[omgitsbees]

Yea because they both go on about the person they are arguing proving their point.

Pot calling Kettle black! Bringing up my post count, registration date, demanding that I provide my PSN I.D.? Doing the exact thing you are claiming you have a problem with.

I really do not believe that the people who continually call you out, and have issues with you, are the problem here. Instead it's you and the way you present yourself; It's annoying and childish.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Some of you guys will push this personal attacking till a mod ends the thread. Thank you selected few who cant intellectually make arguments with out throwing mud.

 

[Tornado]

This part of the topic

Nothing about this discussion is on topic. You know what he said now. In fact, everyone but you seemed pretty clear on what he said from the start.

Drop it and move on.

 

[DEATHSARTHE]

The point of the thread was to ask "Are you going to drop GT5 for FM4" because obviously the OP was mad about something. The whole point of this thread is to QQ about GT5 and to show the GT5 community that FM4 is somehow our white night in shining plastic pads - not real armor because it would take too long to make something of quality.

Fact is... I agree with the point that some guy made sometime in this 40 page long flamewar that will eventually lead to nothing which is Forza has been half assed since day one. The fact that they're not even going to recognize 3D gaming in a market that will most likely lean towards more 3D content is absoultely ridiculous and just further proves to me that Turn 10 isn't passionate about what they're doing. They're just doing what they can to try and immitate GT5 as cost effectively and time efficient as possible to get the best bang for their buck... when they do this they do nothing for the genre, they bring nothing new to the table, there's nothing creative about it, the game is far too casual, and it has about as much soul as a cardboard box whch then automaticly defaults thems to a lowly imitation level in the market.

This has been Forza's problem from the very beginning. You can't just attack the top dog without going through some similar evolution. GT5 has credibility behind it because that's something it focused on throughout its lifetime. Credibility from several points... Forza? No. Its sense of credibility is stamping Top Gear all over it. Its absurd. I personally will never drop GT5 for Forza 4 or any Forza title. I might buy other games like NFS Underground 5 or whatever they're on now or Midnight Club LA because while I'm at dropping my standards to play a stupid absurd game - might as well make it the most ridiculous game on the market and not some game that tries to be Gran Turismo. At least Midnight Club and NFS aren't kidding themselves and are focused on an entirely different crowd of gamers. I would even argue that in some strange way, Shift was probably still aimed at NFS:U fans... you know for when they want to play something a little more mature without the elitism of the GT fanbase.

Anyway... I'm thoroughly convinced GT has the console driving game "war" locked down. Forza is a good imitation and I am actually impressed at its progress thus far, but to compare it to THE game... GT5... lol that's just silly.

 

[Tornado]

The fact that they're not even going to recognize 3D gaming in a market that will most likely lean towards more 3D content is absoultely ridiculous and just further proves to me that Turn 10 isn't passionate about what they're doing.

Implying, of course, that Sony's personal financial stake in 3DTV sales has nothing to do with PS3 games having 3D implemented into them. Which is silly.


I'd also like to know what market you are in where 3DTVs are prevalent enough where not bothering to implement 3D support means anything at all about the passion of the developer in question.

 

[Dmarc_Atl]

Tornado I want it to be dropped .Anything with me about this shouldve been dropped when I said He was right and I couldnt prove he was stating his comment as fact.But he went on saying I shouldve asked and my reading comprehension is lacking.And you went on saying everyone should say in my opinion after every opinion they make to make happy or what ever.So dont act like its just me.
LMS
Im not sure if that was aimed at me but I dont think ive personally attacked anybody in here..

Pot calling Kettle black! Bringing up my post count, registration date, demanding that I provide my PSN I.D.? Doing the exact thing you are claiming you have a problem with.

I really do not believe that the people who continually call you out, and have issues with you, are the problem here. Instead it's you and the way you present yourself; It's annoying and childish.

I dont see what me bringing up you post count and registration date have to do with your point?
You quoted me saying " I misinterprete your comment"
You said that proved your point.
I took your opinion as fact because of your wording, along with other people.

I didnt demand you post your id
Vandiliser did.
I said ignore him if he harrass you.

Noboody calls me out, I dont argue alot on thiss site
I can count on one hand how any times I argued on this site.
How do I present my self as childish ?
I dont get it.
I said I was wrong for assuming you stated your comment as fact. This arguement shouldve ended there.
But no you go on about my lack of comprehension.

 

[GTOne2Three]

The point of the thread was to ask "Are you going to drop GT5 for FM4" because obviously the OP was mad about something. The whole point of this thread is to QQ about GT5 and to show the GT5 community that FM4 is somehow our white night in shining plastic pads - not real armor because it would take too long to make something of quality.

Fact is... I agree with the point that some guy made sometime in this 40 page long flamewar that will eventually lead to nothing which is Forza has been half assed since day one. The fact that they're not even going to recognize 3D gaming in a market that will most likely lean towards more 3D content is absoultely ridiculous and just further proves to me that Turn 10 isn't passionate about what they're doing. They're just doing what they can to try and immitate GT5 as cost effectively and time efficient as possible to get the best bang for their buck... when they do this they do nothing for the genre, they bring nothing new to the table, there's nothing creative about it, the game is far too casual, and it has about as much soul as a cardboard box whch then automaticly defaults thems to a lowly imitation level in the market.

This has been Forza's problem from the very beginning. You can't just attack the top dog without going through some similar evolution. GT5 has credibility behind it because that's something it focused on throughout its lifetime. Credibility from several points... Forza? No. Its sense of credibility is stamping Top Gear all over it. Its absurd. I personally will never drop GT5 for Forza 4 or any Forza title. I might buy other games like NFS Underground 5 or whatever they're on now or Midnight Club LA because while I'm at dropping my standards to play a stupid absurd game - might as well make it the most ridiculous game on the market and not some game that tries to be Gran Turismo. At least Midnight Club and NFS aren't kidding themselves and are focused on an entirely different crowd of gamers. I would even argue that in some strange way, Shift was probably still aimed at NFS:U fans... you know for when they want to play something a little more mature without the elitism of the GT fanbase.

Anyway... I'm thoroughly convinced GT has the console driving game "war" locked down. Forza is a good imitation and I am actually impressed at its progress thus far, but to compare it to THE game... GT5... lol that's just silly.

What new thing has GT5 brought to the genre? We barely got online and damage. One cool feature which is night racing and weather change. But it's not saying much considering it's so tightly limited.

The biggest flaw with GT5 is customization. Weather it's external, or engine customization. Tuning and customization has been Forza's greatest strength and GT's greatest weakness. Like I said, Forza is a bette GAME, GT is a better SIM. But there's a good chance that the line can be seriously blurred when F4 comes out. All they'll need is a good wheel to rival it. T10 probably studied polyphony, and polyphony seems oblivious. You can call them imitations but look at everything else. Look at the playstation controller's button layout. Similar to SNES right? Now Xbox has that, and most 3rd party controllers have that.

Creation is not without influence. You create something today, someone will make it better. So you constantly need to evolve.

And screw 3D. It's not a necessity, just an accessory with annoying goggles..

 

[CSLACR]

I find implementation of something so early in it's lifespan (3D TV) in a game that was already well behind schedule irresponsible. (For the company well being)

If GT5 weren't delayed so long, then 3D implementation would be an extra goody, as it stands, just another poorly thought out "marketing strategy". A quick read will tell you 41 million LCD TV's were estimated sold just in the U.S. last year, and between the switch to digital, and HD, most American's recently bought a new TV.
What this means is they won't be shelling out $2,000+ for another.

BTW, 5% or less of the 41 million cost over $2,000.

And that's why 3d isn't important yet.

 

[Dmarc_Atl]

What new thing has GT5 brought to the genre? We barely got online and damage. One cool feature which is night racing and weather change. But it's not saying much considering it's so tightly limited.

The biggest flaw with GT5 is customization. Weather it's external, or engine customization. Tuning and customization has been Forza's greatest strength and GT's greatest weakness. Like I said, Forza is a bette GAME, GT is a better SIM. But there's a good chance that the line can be seriously blurred when F4 comes out. All they'll need is a good wheel to rival it. T10 probably studied polyphony, and polyphony seems oblivious. You can call them imitations but look at everything else. Look at the playstation controller's button layout. Similar to SNES right? Now Xbox has that, and most 3rd party controllers have that.

Creation is not without influence. You create something today, someone will make it better. So you constantly need to evolve.

And screw 3D. It's not a necessity, just an accessory with annoying goggles..

I always felt that forza had better customizations but to ME its pointless without presise simulation.
I didnt play alot of forza 3 but I played forza 2 quite a bit so I remember the physics
And my friend told me the 2 had similar physics.

 

[JDMKING13]

I always felt that forza had better customizations but to ME its pointless without presise simulation.
I didnt play alot of forza 3 but I played forza 2 quite a bit so I remember the physics

That was my problem I loved customizing my car, but when driving it well... I was spending more time customizing than driving, I'm eager to see what FM4 has to offer with the physics.

 

[GTOne2Three]

I always felt that forza had better customizations but to ME its pointless without presise simulation.
I didnt play alot of forza 3 but I played forza 2 quite a bit so I remember the physics
And my friend told me the 2 had similar physics.

Actually, 2 had better physics. 3 did feel alittle off. I think they did bring new ideas that GT5 needs to consider. Online was very basic in GT5, too simplistic. Forza 4 is comming out with stuff like car clubs. Things that can bring a whole racing community together. Instead of doing things like pretend drag races in SSR7 and not even earning any creds for it..

 

[JDMKING13]

Actually, 2 had better physics. 3 did feel alittle off. I think they did bring new ideas that GT5 needs to consider. Online was very basic in GT5, too simplistic. Forza 4 is comming out with stuff like car clubs. Things that can bring a whole racing community together. Instead of doing things like pretend drag races in SSR7 and not even earning any creds for it..

I like GT5 online lobby system 100 times better, free run and the ability to change and tune cars on the fly. 👍 I agree with you FM2 physics were better In my opinion it was actually a challenge. I would also like those feature you were describing.

 

[Tenacious D]

If you read the post above the one you quoted, it was a repsonse to someone saying S2 was the worst game ever made, and asked if I loved it for the tracks. My repsonse was a cheeky reponse. Again taken out of context.

I have to say that, being the intranets and all, it isn't obvious at all that you were being cheeky.

The only reason I give GT5 fanatics so much crap, is because they use the 1000+ car count as a +postive.

I see it as a positive too. I just got pushed away from GT5 a little over an hour ago, and if not for that and a sleepy head, I'd still be racing it. I just did a few races with the Standard IS200 race car, and you'll have to pry that little monster out of my red dead redemption.

I am still willing to bet people who think GT5 is the best game ever have not played anything else in the genre.

Have this opinion of Forza fanz?

But seriously, in the case of Forza - and I'm the guy who said the series is half-a**ed - they're still fun games and have things to commend them. I'm also the guy who said that without the Livery Editor, it's just another racing game to me. To me, and several million other racing fans. Everyone has their druthers in racing games, which is why many PC sim fiends won't touch console racing at all.

But Forza does have some seriously good points to it. For some, it's the easy "one button" drifting with a controller. For others like me, it's the ability to race mod every car in the game, and create fantastic pro quality liveries for them which identify you uniquely, and give car clubs and leagues the ability to forge an online identity. But I don't see the series to date being the answers to our racing dreams. The sales don't seem to indicate this, when Forza 3, the best to date, was outsold by GT5 Prologue.

Forza 4 has the chance to make the racing world sit up and take notice. The 8 car race limit is broken. Many flaws are said to be addressed. Of course, Dan Greenawalt has used every opportunity to say that Forza was the definitive racer with the past three games, and with those words exactly for Forza 3, so I'm cautiously optimistic that this Forza might be the game I was waiting for. Very cautiously.

But I have to confess that right now, I want Spec II much more than Forza 4, even with the lure of a possibly well polished Livery and pic taking system dangling a few days off. I love making race cars in Forza, when it works right, but I love racing them in Gran Turismo more.

And whoops...

That was my problem I loved customizing my car, but when driving it well... I was spending more time customizing than driving, I'm eager to see what FM4 has to offer with the physics.

Great minds think alike? 👍

 

[Tornado]

I am still willing to bet people who think GT5 is the best game ever have not played anything else in the genre.

That argument isn't any better than the opposite one.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

@DMarc...I never called you out I'm talking about everyone. Go back and see that I said some...that is not singular, once again I'm saying you guys really want the thread closed. So let's not jump to conclusions please. Also to those saying that the this thread is just meant to be a flame. This time I'm talking to Deathsarthe for example since they brought it up recently but others have to. The OP never made this a flame war, the op seemed curious to see if people would or wouldn't the OP didn't ask why in the original post and to twist it further so you can flame, while trying to psuedo anti-flame is asinine.

The OP may have asked this due to the thought that many people would come offline and he wouldn't have much fun. Maybe he wants to see how many will switch to other racing games, or a different genre game all together. You know Forza isn't the only game that is racing to come out. If you hadn't notice F1 2011 is big talk around these parts and so is CODs latest and BF3.