Common sense with standard and premium cars.

[CoolColJ]

there you go

versus - apart from the lighting and better shaders, I don't see major differences

 

[<ReedY>]

not bad, now to wait a few months

 

[Duphman]

versus - apart from the lighting and better shaders, I don't see major differences

Look at the cockpit, towards the rear. The blur makes everything a little more difficult to see, but the rear "window" (right behind the door window on the left side) cannot be found on the GT4 model. I doubt that is a GT4 model 787B.

 

[humpus]

"standard cars" in action from the GTHD days

Cockpit view at 49sec?

 

[Stevisiov]

Cockpit view at 49sec?

Yes, on a premium model Mitsubishi Evolution.

 

[Guffaluff]

If we don't get cockpit view on the 800 standard cars, it'll be a disappointment, but as long as there is a decent bonnet view, I'm not all to bothered.

The thing that confuses me the most is the modelling quality. The trailer for the standard cars is not very promising, especially not the R10, but the recent screenshots of the muscle cars (including the Stingray) looks amazing, and supposedly they are standard cars.



I think I'll just have to hibernate until GamesCom

 

[JDMKING13]

This is from a member in the E3 thread

GUYS, i finally got some news from IronStar staff

They interviewed GT5 staff at E3


and YES GT5 standard cars will have COCKPIT VIEW!!!

No it not a joke, Those guys from IronStar are there at E3, i sent them an email


"Standard cars in GT5 have cockpit view!" and they said yes standard car will have Cockpit view

NO im not talking about that

here's my email

"Nice E3 coverage, PLEASE find GT5 staff and ask him will "Standard cars in GT5 have cockpit view!"

We are disparate to know this....


He replayed "yes they will have cockpit view"

Im not saying its 100% true but i see some light

 

[Strittan]

If we don't get cockpit view on the 800 standard cars, it'll be a disappointment, but as long as there is a decent bonnet view, I'm not all to bothered.

The thing that confuses me the most is the modelling quality. The trailer for the standard cars is not very promising, especially not the R10, but the recent screenshots of the muscle cars (including the Stingray) looks amazing, and supposedly they are standard cars.



I think I'll just have to hibernate until GamesCom

Which muscle cars? If you mean these, they're all premium, NOT standard:

 

[bloodstriker]

It seems to me the Standard cars are the ones that have limousine grade tinted windows...
correct me if i'm wrong and could someone post some screenshots or videos of standard cars

 

[STJ88]

there you go

versus - apart from the lighting and better shaders, I don't see major differences

You can clearly see that the top 787b is a premium model.

 

[bloodstriker]

is the bottom a comparison to gt4? (if that's a standard car....)

 

[CoolColJ]

is the bottom a comparison to gt4? (if that's a standard car....)

GTHD, so better than GT4, maybe like GT4 photo mode. The wheels seem to have more depth than the GT4 ones.
The lighting and shading is different though, but I bet if you equalise those, the difference wouldn't be that noticable


GT4 photo mode - all the details are there, just lower poly

 

[Robin]

People are seeming to forget that just because the cars were in GT4 doesnt automatically mean they are standard car models in GT5!

GT have taken some of their favourites and built them from scratch in premium form. You can't at this stage know for sure what your seeing is standard unless it was a car specifically shown in the Standard Cars trailers. However all other trailers we have seen can be assumed as showing only premium cars.

The 787B is clearly not a GT4 model, its been done in premium form. So it cannot be used as an example of excellent standard car quality. I also suspect that the old Corvette and Camaro shown in the new screen shots (on the GTP news page) are premium models.

Robin.

 

[Dravonic]

From the Kazunori Yamauchi live twitter interview:

Regarding interior view&#8230;do you mean you would want a black frame interior view?

By blackframe, I meant same as in PSP (re: cockpit view)

In that case, it would be technically possible.

If after that you still wish to fool yourself into believing standard cars will have cockpit view, I don't know what to say.

 

[JDMKING13]

From the Kazunori Yamauchi live twitter interview:



If after that you still wish to fool yourself into believing standard cars will have cockpit view, I don't know what to say.

Im not fooling myself and that my friend, many people said that thats not a good source because it sounds like he is just lost in translation but still going with the flow. You seriously can tell me that in that interview it says no cockpit for standard?

 

[GrandCobra]

After seeing what has happened with the standard cars I am now pissed off about NASCAR. Why did he add NASCAR if he knew all the other cars would suffer from lower detailed models?

If he didn't add NASCAR he could've spent more time modelling all of the other 800 cars to premium models but he didn't.

Why Yamauchi why?

 

[Nattefrost]

After seeing what has happened with the standard cars I am now pissed off about NASCAR. Why did he add NASCAR if he knew all the other cars would suffer from lower detailed models?

If he didn't add NASCAR he could've spent more time modelling all of the other 800 cars to premium models but he didn't.

Why Yamauchi why?

So you really think creating the NASCAR cars took the equivalent amount of work of doing 800 cars in Premium mode?

 

[SuperCobraJet]

Im not fooling myself and that my friend, many people said that thats not a good source because it sounds like he is just lost in translation but still going with the flow. You seriously can tell me that in that interview it says no cockpit for standard?

That interview is why I started the "Cockpit view" Poll with one question and either a yes or a no answer.


https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?p=3901058#post3901058

 

[Owen.C93]

Dear god, imagine what would happen if only premium models had reverse lights!!!

 

[Dravonic]

Im not fooling myself and that my friend, many people said that thats not a good source because it sounds like he is just lost in translation but still going with the flow. You seriously can tell me that in that interview it says no cockpit for standard?

The truth is often unpleasant. That's why you'll always see people trying to distort it into something more soothing. "Translation problems", "The game is still unfinished", "It will be fixed by the time it releases", "Interior means engine, trunk and other things, not cockpit". But whatever your escapist fantasy, the truth is still there.

Is there a possibility I'm interpreting the facts in the wrong way? Sure. But so many evidence point in this direction that I just can't keep fooling myself. It was there from a long time ago. Since last year and the infamous web page that slipped from PD's hand confirming us many things, plus the standard cars with no cockpits fiasco. We just chose not to believe in it. Like we do with any bad news.

 

[kingcars]

GTHD, so better than GT4, maybe like GT4 photo mode. The wheels seem to have more depth than the GT4 ones.
The lighting and shading is different though, but I bet if you equalise those, the difference wouldn't be that noticable

It's so nice to see someone who understands what they've done with standard cars. They took GT4/GTPSP models, smoothed out the curves, edited a couple of details, then ported them into a higher resolution, nicer looking graphics engine. The basic 3D models are still basically the exact same, save the couple of minimal mesh changes and nicer wheels.

And whoever was crying about NASCAR...uh...you realize that's just 1 car model with several different skins? And all they have to do for the different manufacturers is just change the front end a little.

 

[GrandCobra]

So you really think creating the NASCAR cars took the equivalent amount of work of doing 800 cars in Premium mode?

No But making those NASCAR cars could've taken up about 1 year or so and that's a lot of time gone.

They should have made the most of their time in recreating all of the 650 cars from GT4

 

[kingcars]

No But making those NASCAR cars could've taken up about 1 year or so and that's a lot of time gone.

They should have made the most of their time in recreating all of the 650 cars from GT4

And whoever was crying about NASCAR...uh...you realize that's just 1 car model with several different skins? And all they have to do for the different manufacturers is just change the front end a little.

👍

 

[magburner]

I really don't understand the fuss regarding this. There will be 200 premium cars with detailed cockpits, so what is the problem? Sure there are 800 without, but come on, do you want the game now or in ten years time? I'm more than happy with the quantity of premium cars, my only concern being that that I hope the selection is varied, and not just 30 odd skylines, 23 evolutions and an equal number of Imprezas. 👍

 

[paulpg87]

I really don't understand the fuss regarding this. There will be 200 premium cars with detailed cockpits, so what is the problem? Sure there are 800 without, but come on, do you want the game now or in ten years time? I'm more than happy with the quantity of premium cars, my only concern being that that I hope the selection is varied, and not just 30 odd skylines, 23 evolutions and an equal number of Imprezas. 👍

it's not just 800 cars without cockpit, it's 800 cars that looks like crap and are imported from gt4 after 5 years. Huge Huge fail. i would've never expected that from Pd and Kaz.

 

[Guffaluff]

Which muscle cars? If you mean these, they're all premium, NOT standard:

Oh, silly me

 

[G.T.Ace]

I wanted to see cars like the Bentley Speed 8, Countach (after the GTPSP confirmation), Mazda Furai (pretty sure it will be Standard too) and all the other classic cars and LMPs in their full GT5 glory, I always thought GT5 will have ~400 cars or something, but at least with proper graphics, I was so surprised after they said 1000, but now we will just get 5 year old 3D models and you can see that they're 5 years old. I would really like to know if they would have scrapped the Standard cars (since there are also a lot of new cars they had to model), if we would have more "Premium" which I would prefer, especially because most Premium cars are new supercars and racecars I don't really wanted. Pretty sure we won't see cars like the old Silvia, 200SX, BMW M3 GTR and so on in Premium quality.

 

[mr_VOLCANO]

it's not just 800 cars without cockpit, it's 800 cars that looks like crap and are imported from gt4 after 5 years. Huge Huge fail. i would've never expected that from Pd and Kaz.

Relax..Is it even any high quality pictures of standard cars?? Because I have not seen any.. None of the pictures of standard cars has convinced me that they look bad..

 

[humpus]

"standard cars" in action from the GTHD days

Cockpit view at 49sec?

Yes, on a premium model Mitsubishi Evolution.

No, it's GTHD footage. No such thing as premium models back then in 2007 my friend.
You can also see it isn't nearly as detailed as the prologue model.

So, once more: cockpit view?

 

[G.T.Ace]

The Mitsbubishi is already a new model and yes, they had Premium and "Classic" models in 2006. They wanted to release it this way.
GTHD Premium=30 cars and a couple of tracks "using the full PS3 power" and GTHD Classic with all the cars from GT4, although in this game they wanted to make all the Classic cars DLC.