Dream Grands Prix

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I wouldn't mind an oval race thrown in as its something different.

The problem is with the cars and more specifically the tyres, they aren't designed for constant high speeds around corners and a lot of the US ovals have a hard-wearing surface to them for "normal" racing tyres.

The BTCC has the same issue at Rockingham that F1 did at Indy - the tyres get worn on the Oval parts of the track due to the surface.

But then again, if it was made part of the calendar, then the teams and the tyre company would presumably produce a tyre that works properly for ovals. It would just be quite expensive just to design and develop cars and tyres for one specific race/track. Then again the teams spend a lot of money designing Montreal/Spa/Monza-specific aerodynamic packages!

I'd be happy to see it just for the variety and the different challenge it provides, just as it did for 1950s and 1960s F1.
Back then, "F1", "Ovals", "24 Hours" and "Rally" were somewhat all considered the same discipline, a lot of drivers would race in all of them. Nowdays they are all considered distinctly seperate disciplines and drivers are more and more refined in each specific racing technique. It would be nice to see some cross-over once again.

And CART and Indycar prove that you can run a series with a mix of circuits, street tracks and ovals with pretty much the same cars. So its not impossible. Just very unlikely.
 
Ardius
I wouldn't mind an oval race thrown in as its something different.

The problem is with the cars and more specifically the tyres, they aren't designed for constant high speeds around corners and a lot of the US ovals have a hard-wearing surface to them for "normal" racing tyres.

The BTCC has the same issue at Rockingham that F1 did at Indy - the tyres get worn on the Oval parts of the track due to the surface.

But then again, if it was made part of the calendar, then the teams and the tyre company would presumably produce a tyre that works properly for ovals. It would just be quite expensive just to design and develop cars and tyres for one specific race/track. Then again the teams spend a lot of money designing Montreal/Spa/Monza-specific aerodynamic packages!

I'd be happy to see it just for the variety and the different challenge it provides, just as it did for 1950s and 1960s F1.
Back then, "F1", "Ovals", "24 Hours" and "Rally" were somewhat all considered the same discipline, a lot of drivers would race in all of them. Nowdays they are all considered distinctly seperate disciplines and drivers are more and more refined in each specific racing technique. It would be nice to see some cross-over once again.

And CART and Indycar prove that you can run a series with a mix of circuits, street tracks and ovals with pretty much the same cars. So its not impossible. Just very unlikely.
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^ Ardius for the win. Tires are big reason why.

Also to those who don't like the oval tracks, if F1 does go to one you don't have to watch it. There is nothing wrong with ovals and don't make F1 seem like it's an elitist driving sport to all others, that's just rude.
 
IceMan PJN
You're joking, right? I mean, F1 has never raced on an oval, and that's not an accident. This is not an oval series, has never been an oval series, and will never be an oval series. Throwing in an oval race would be like replacing a major NFL football game with a game of cricket played by NFL players; fans would be outraged.
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Yes, but the thread is supposed to be about "Dream Grand Prix." and so, nothing is supposed to be feasible.

Come on, someone said "Lunar Grand Prix" and you're flaming the person who suggested an "Indy Oval Grand Prix". Besides, many a year ago, The Indy 500 used to be part of the Formula 1 Calendar. In fact, Lotus has won the Indy 500 before, in 1965.
 
Ardius
I'd be happy to see it just for the variety and the different challenge it provides, just as it did for 1950s and 1960s F1.
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It seems, that oval racing was a "bit of variety" that most in the F1 paddock just ignored though. Whether or not you're aware of it, when the Indy 500 was part of the World championship, it was not run to F1 regulations and most of the competitors were not from the world of F1.

It was basically a failed attempt to seize one of the most famous races in the world for F1.
 
F1 fan
It seems, that oval racing was a "bit of variety" that most in the F1 paddock just ignored though. Whether or not you're aware of it, when the Indy 500 was part of the World championship, it was not run to F1 regulations and most of the competitors were not from the world of F1.

It was basically a failed attempt to seize one of the most famous races in the world for F1.
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I didn't realise talking about dream grand prix had to involve talking down ideas. Yes I am well aware the paddock eventually ignored it - did you realise that was because all of the teams were European based F1 was very much a European-centred sport? (much more than it is today)

Such a proposition is wildly different today, I imagine most of the teams would care very much about an oval race given that:
a) they've wanted a US GP back for the sponsors, as the US is a hugely important market.
b) oval racing is very popular in the US.

But who cares really? I'm merely saying I would like to see the variety, I'm not actively bidding for it here - and nor is anyone else considering we are talking about Lunar GPs. Or do you think that a Lunar GP is a much more realistic proposition for the paddock?

Lets stick to discussing ideas rather than taking it oh-so-seriously and talking like these ideas are ever going to actually happen.
 
How about a Grand Prix in Cyprus or Malta? That would be interesting, IMO.

SkateNj
We can have two italian grand prix's!
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Uh, no. According to definition, there can be only one Italian Grand Prix per season. And nations can have up to two Grands Prix per season.
 
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Ardius
I didn't realise talking about dream grand prix had to involve talking down ideas. Yes I am well aware the paddock eventually ignored it - did you realise that was because all of the teams were European based F1 was very much a European-centred sport? (much more than it is today)

Such a proposition is wildly different today, I imagine most of the teams would care very much about an oval race given that:
a) they've wanted a US GP back for the sponsors, as the US is a hugely important market.
b) oval racing is very popular in the US.

But who cares really? I'm merely saying I would like to see the variety, I'm not actively bidding for it here - and nor is anyone else considering we are talking about Lunar GPs. Or do you think that a Lunar GP is a much more realistic proposition for the paddock?

Lets stick to discussing ideas rather than taking it oh-so-seriously and talking like these ideas are ever going to actually happen.
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You're not exactly known for joking around. While discussing fantasy Grand Prix is the objective of this thread, my objection was purely based on the way you claimed that the indy 500 provided variety for F1. Indeed it did, but you ignored the fact that it was a chance for variety not seized by the paddock. And again, I will remind you that I am more than aware of my F1 history. And how the paddock has always been mostly euro centric.
 
StockCarRacer
How about a Grand Prix in Cyprus [...] ?
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Then you can satisfy two Grands Prix with only one race! Bernie...are you listening?

This thread is about fantasy, let's not poke too many holes in everyone's fun...
 
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curcuit De La Sarthe on the same weekend as the Le Mans 24Hr race but using the Bugatti layoutcould hold the quali sessions in the morning on the saturday and the race in the afternoon on the sunday after a quick track clean up that is
 
I'd like to see a race held at a circuit that can hold races in both directions, maybe with slightly different layouts between the two directions. That way, a Grand Prix would be held in opposite directions every other year.
 
prisonermonkeys
I'd like to see a race held at a circuit that can hold races in both directions, maybe with slightly different layouts between the two directions. That way, a Grand Prix would be held in opposite directions every other year.
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Weird idea. Next....
 
Bellzie
curcuit De La Sarthe on the same weekend as the Le Mans 24Hr race but using the Bugatti layoutcould hold the quali sessions in the morning on the saturday and the race in the afternoon on the sunday after a quick track clean up that is
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The Bugatti layout has been used for F1 before and the drivers criticised it, calling it a "mickey mouse circuit". I have no idea why the idea keeps surfacing, as the circuit is terrible imo.
 
Bugatti au Mans was considered a Mickey Mouse track when it was used for an F1 race in 1967. Save the front straight, there's nothing legendary nor thrilling about it.

Brooklands GP, make it happen!

Or the Boca Raton GP, if the Austin thing falls through:

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4 Hour Endurance race around De La Sarthe with and extra couple of chicanes down Mulsanne so the engines don't make me cringe.

Starts around 8PM at night (In summer so it's still bright) and ends when the new day begins.

Man, they would be absolutely dead afterwards though!
 
Antarctica! Bit of ice drifting, the fact the drivers would have to somehow get the tyres up to temperature... without melting the track! Plus 24 hour sun, so race can be whenever best fits
 
^Pirelli will bring hards and mediums just to screw with everyone.

*On topic*
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The the pitlane will need to be longer though.
 
Circuit De La Sarthe! If it's good enough for LMP cars, it's good enough for Formula 1 cars. :dopey:

@MildAshers - Mondello is a good idea, it's a great track! 👍
 
An idea rejected by who? You? I've never actually heard of an aspiring host nation suggesting it as an idea, much less Bernie or the FIA shooting it down. So I'm having a hard time seeing how the idea has been rejected if it has never been suggested before.
 
StockCarRacer
It's time to play "If Austin weren't chosen to host the US Grand Prix, it would have been...." game.
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No circuit.

But if if it was a track I would like to see as the US GP host, it would have to be:

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High speed sweepers of DOOM. Already has hundreds of miles of desert runoff, all it needs is some world class facilities. :) :dopey:

:lol:
 
StockCarRacer
It's time to play "If Austin weren't chosen to host the US Grand Prix, it would have been...." game.
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No, it's time to make suggestions for the 'Dream Grand Prix'. I don't see anything about your game on the thread title...
Interludes PM's idea isn't that bad actually. It'll give a lot of variety because the drivers have to learn the track forwards and backwards. I've personally had the idea before as well.

Hampton Downs is a track I'd like to see for an NZGP (if it was a part of the International Calendar
 
Grand Prix
No circuit.

But if if it was a track I would like to see as the US GP host, it would have to be:

wilspr-tracklayout-b.jpg


High speed sweepers of DOOM. Already has hundreds of miles of desert runoff, all it needs is some world class facilities. :) :dopey:

:lol:
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If Austin weren't chosen to host the USGP, then my dream would be Atlantic City, New Jersey because it has world-class hotel-and-casinos there.
 

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