Fairly disappointing...

[mister dog]

Seems like you have forgotten the statement about sounds being worked on, but they'd not necessarily be ready by launch...

The day that Yamauchi puts his money where his mouth is, and all "placeholders" will be replaced by decent engine sounds, is the day when im gonna pick up a copy of GT6 from the bargain shelf

 

[Kurei]

I didn't mention the execution on purpose, because they still don't know when it will happen, or indeed if it will even make GT6. The intention however is still in place and is after all far better than not saying anything at all, wouldn't you agree?

The things they can't talk about I'd say are new features, simple as that - not necessarily any nefarious skulduggery.

Only if you agree, that execution is just as important to the game, as any intention towards a goal (a.k.a talk is cheap). cheers ?

 

[dragonitti]

WTF

Yes, these other games were you have a slight collision and your body parts explode is NOT realistic.

The cars that explode like that in real life usually are drift cars (because they are held together with zip ties and duct tape). The other cars are like prototypes (because they are made of lightweight material). Normal cars don't have body partd falling off just because you nudged a car in the corner). In real racing it takes a significant collision for body parts to break free.

 

[mister dog]

Yes, these other games were you have a slight collision and your body parts explode is NOT realistic.

 

[Tornado]

Are you somehow forgetting the statements of intent to address sounds?

I certainly remember the statement of intent to cut back on needless car variations for future additions. Now we've got duplicates of duplicates, proudly named as "New for GT6" and dutifully added to the car count.


Which statements of intent regarding all new features being (eventually) added in post-release are we supposed to assume will come to pass, then? Are we just going to see the ones that have been somewhat recently reaffirmed, with the others (suspension testing rig, for example) going to fall by the wayside?

Seems like you have forgotten the statement about sounds being worked on, but they'd not necessarily be ready by launch...

I don't seem to recall any comment about updating the standards in GT5 - I do remember various updates happening, from the interior view to minor improvements throughout, but no direct statement saying that any would be updated.

https://www.gtplanet.net/gran-turismo-5-standard-cars-to-be-upgraded-to-premium/

 

[dragonitti]

ROFLMAO!

 

[dragonitti]

I have a variety of games from Shift 1-2, GRID 1-2 (downloaded 2 for free from PSN the other day), All of the GT series, DIRT 1 and 3 and I've played Forza for a few bits (don't own an Xbox, probably never will).

In my .02 there is no game/sim with EVERYTHING you want. Just doesn't exist. The games with the sick sounding cars and the faster speed of game play, are more Arcade styling and the graphics are a little more cartoonish (vibrant in colors). The SIMs (or should I say SIM) of GT have the uber graphics and handling on Lock. No other game has the same realistic lighting, shadow creation, smoke...etc that GT has, and for that it takes a hit in the sound department and customization. When I feel like being "serious" about racing, I play GT. When I want to appeal to my other sensory (want to see destruction, feel the sped up game play) then I will pop in another series. One is like going to the Office and golfing with buddies afterwards, the other is like having a drink at a bar with chicks trying to get me to buy them drinks.

Forza threads the line of both worlds pretty good, but it's like a better Shift 2. Some things are just so dang gimmick feeling that I can't take it seriously. GT is following closer to reality. The only lacking again is just sound. Visually stunning compared to everything else out there, including Forza. Forza is to rich with coloring that it feels artificial to much. I watched a review and they were showing an in-game clip, and the rumble strips were so colorful that I immediately thought of the game Pole Position for the Atari...lol.

It seems that no One gaming series can get both the visual realism of GT and the Sound/Customization of Forza and package that all into one. Hoping that GT is working on that sound they may be closer than anyone else is to the total package.

 

[kdryan]

TLDR - Are we still talking about GT6 here?

 

[MeanElf]

https://www.gtplanet.net/gran-turismo-5-standard-cars-to-be-upgraded-to-premium/

Thank you - I did indeed miss that.

Only if you agree, that execution is just as important to the game, as any intention towards a goal (a.k.a talk is cheap). cheers ?

Yup, I agree with that. This time the promises have been pretty consistent and re-affirmed more than once in some cases, so I'm willing to see what comes of it. The GT5 coding problem is probably to blame for the failed promises, but I suppose we won't know for sure about that, what with PD's history of communication. I'm still happy to give them another chance, mostly because this time it feels right and they are prepared (better game engine.)

The day that Yamauchi puts his money where his mouth is, and all "placeholders" will be replaced by decent engine sounds, is the day when im gonna pick up a copy of GT6 from the bargain shelf

So you're saying that you are going to be a cheap-ass about it, ot that it'll take a long time?

 

[Rionmoon]

Honestly, this just feels like a redressed GT5. Except this time the fanboys are just accepting the 'to be released' nonsense as the way it should be. Just like with GT5, Kaz seems to have released an unfinished product, though I will admit there doesn't seem to be as many bugs. I would attribute that to having solved them all with GT5. It feels like they may have tweaked the physics, but it's the same old super powerful player car vs. the slow, stupid AI cars.

The same lame starting in last nonsense...
No car trading?
No B-Spec (yeah, I know... Later date)
Unrealistic damage models...

These are my impressions after a few hours of playing. I'll be the first to admit I am wrong if my mind changes, but I don't see it happening.

Sorry, fanboys. GT5 in different clothing.

BTW, a personal gripe: The vintage Mustangs still got screwed. That idiotic 71 Mach 1 is still there, but no Boss 302/429? No 428 Cobra Jet? What about a 65 K Code? No Fox bodies at all?!?

You're right about this being GT5 dressed up. That's why it's been referred to as GT5.5 OR as I like to think of it, the GT5 we should have had in 2010.

Don't get me wrong, I love it so far but I didn't expect a vastly new experience. I got what I was looking for: a complete GT 5 game

As far as mustangs go, I would love to see them but don't hold your breath. Either Ford won't allow Polyphony to use them or there is some preexisting licensing with another game. It's probably the latter of the two

 

[mister dog]

So you're saying that you are going to be a cheap-ass about it, ot that it'll take a long time?

I'm saying I'm not gonna waste my money on something that's not worth it, and I'm saying it will probably never happen anyway (all the "placeholders" being replaced).

 

[GregOr1971]

I understand some views on GT6 here (GT5.3 etc...) but as I play mostly racing games (1-2 a year) I think If someone woud try to sell me an update to a racing game with 8 or so new tracks and 150 + cars (-20nissans) I'd be glad to spend 60€ for It (and It doesn't matter if It wuld be FM,GT,iR,AC,PC ... ) . And there we have "almost a new" game. Value for money

 

[MeanElf]

I'm saying I'm not gonna waste my money on something that's not worth it, and I'm saying it will probably never happen anyway (all the "placeholders" being replaced).

So, it's not worth it but you'll play the game anyway...now there's logic at work.

 

[mr_serious]

I understand some views on GT6 here (GT5.3 etc...) but as I play mostly racing games (1-2 a year) I think If someone woud try to sell me an update to a racing game with 8 or so new tracks and 150 + cars (-20nissans) I'd be glad to spend 60€ for It (and It doesn't matter if It wuld be FM,GT,iR,AC,PC ... ) . And there we have "almost a new" game. Value for money

maybe, but then GT5 and GT6 have nothing to do with racing. They are just a set of arcade style driving challenges.

 

[mister dog]

So, it's not worth it but you'll play the game anyway...now there's logic at work.

I think you have troubles interpreting posts young man.

 

[kollosson]

Thought GTplanet was populated by GT fans, this thread is worse than some of the review threads out there, I think GT6 is awesome, standards have been polished, car content is just huge with some fantastic new additions, massive track list, the new tracks look and drive fabulous, everything is better with new content on the way and I think we will get the new content because they stated all of the new features on the official site. I'm loving it : )

 

[mr_serious]

Thought GTplanet was populated by GT fans, this thread is worse than some of the review threads out there, I think GT6 is awesome, standards have been polished, car content is just huge with some fantastic new additions, massive track list, the new tracks look and drive fabulous, everything is better with new content on the way and I think we will get the new content because they stated all of the new features on the official site. I'm loving it : )

I was a GT fan until GT5 and now GT6

 

[dragonitti]

Sure are a lot of cynical people. First World Problems there...

 

[mr_serious]

Sure are a lot of cynical people. First World Problems there...

What is that supposed to be a response to? Maybe you should be building orphanages in Africa rather than posting non sequiturs to gaming forums?

 

[dragonitti]

What is that supposed to be a response to? Maybe you should be building orphanages in Africa rather than posting non sequiturs to gaming forums?

Hahaa...just saying. So bent out of shape some people get. Like someone stole your lunch money. GT6 has been just fine for me. I've enjoyed the speed of the menu options, the quick access menu options, the level of track detail. I just need a new wheel to complete my experience with it.

 

[mr_serious]

Hahaa...just saying. So bent out of shape some people get. Like someone stole your lunch money. GT6 has been just fine for me. I've enjoyed the speed of the menu options, the quick access menu options, the level of track detail. I just need a new wheel to complete my experience with it.

I can understand people getting bent out of shape if they read the back cover and it talks so much about racing & then they end up with a game with just a bunch of arcade style pass all opponents from the back game instead.

I'm not upset - I didn't make the mistake of buying it. I am however sad that PD no longer make racing games.

 

[RcWr]

I can understand people getting bent out of shape if they read the back cover and it talks so much about racing & then they end up with a game with just a bunch of arcade style pass all opponents from the back game instead.

I'm not upset - I didn't make the mistake of buying it. I am however sad that PD no longer make racing games.

Mistake of buying it? Just stop this. If you don't like it, that's allright. Don't buy it, make some structured arguments why it sucks. But don't say people made a mistake by buying it. You might offend people and it's generally just not a right thing to say.

So again, make some valid points and stop calling everyone who bought it stupid.

 

[mr_serious]

Mistake of buying it? Just stop this. If you don't like it, that's allright. Don't buy it, make some structured arguments why it sucks. But don't say people made a mistake by buying it. You might offend people and it's generally just not a right thing to say.

So again, make some valid points and stop calling everyone who bought it stupid.

chill out sir - I don't mind other people enjoying the game, but it would have been a serious mistake for me to buy it for the reasons I have stated many times before but here you go...

Terribly terrible AI.
No Qualification
No Standing Starts
No proper damage.


When all you can do is either hot lap or just keep repeating a few arcade style challenges (ie start from the back, pass some moving roadblocks, get to the front) and a few other non racing activities, I fail to see how they can talk about it being a racing game on the back cover.

I did make the mistake of buying GT5, believing all PD's hype about radically improved AI & real damage.

 

[RcWr]

chill out sir - I don't mind other people enjoying the game, but it would have been a serious mistake for me to buy it for the reasons I have stated many times before but here you go...

Terribly terrible AI.
No Qualification
No Standing Starts
No proper damage.


When all you can do is either hot lap or just keep repeating a few arcade style challenges (ie start from the back, pass some moving roadblocks, get to the front) and a few other non racing activities, I fail to see how they can talk about it being a racing game on the back cover.

I did make the mistake of buying GT5, believing all PD's hype about radically improved AI & real damage.

You should add these to the list:

- Awful sounds alltogether
- Mindblowing design decisions (for example Skyline R33 standard to semi-premium conversion, when there is EXACTLY the same model of R33 premium. It's just show how PD is ridicoulous in some areas. Oh, and the moon.. WTH)
- A lot of promises - 'it's a placeholder' ; 'in future updates' etc. However, if they do deliver, I will take this back, and buy everyone a candy.
- Tuning. Just.. lame..
- Some other problems which I don't remember at the moment.

However, all things considered, GT delivers these things:

- Great physics (I have played rFactor, LiveForSpeed, Forzas and I think GT is totally on par with those titles when we are talking about physics. Not so much with the GT5 tho.
- Great tracks. I mean seriously. Some of them looks bad, but I love that I have them and can drive on them whenever I want. Not to mention the implentation of weather/time in some of them. That's just super experience which I could NEVER have in ANY other game. Here you might give me a few driving titles, with a great list of tracks. But I highly doubt you will find one, which could offer the amount of cars GT is offering.
- Hotlapping. That's just my thing I guess. No game ever gave me an enjoyment of ultimate chillout when you can hotlap a few laps of Nurburgring/Suzuka after work.
- Constant updates. Although, I did say I don't like promises, but they did deliver with the GT5. Just have a look at GT5 1.00 and 2.15. Mindblowing upgrade of the game. I do agree, that developers should release finished games, but I don't mind when the game is good enough on the release and gets better later on. It keeps me a bit hyped all the time.
Pretty much how it is with GT6 right now. I have already got it. I played it. Felt a bit empty today, cause there is no ultimate hype no more. However, I do feel abit hyped about upcoming BMW M4, Course maker and lots of other stuff they PROMISED (just try not to do it, PD, just try.).
- Graphics/replays. On consoles there is no contest in my opinion. On everything else.. Pretty much the same. I think photomode sub-forum would explain this point better. in-game looks very good, however PS3 shows it's age. Oh, and replays. Still, not contest here. I have never seen a better replay on any other game, than GT.

And that's, folks, is my short opinion on the game. And that's why I don't think made a mistake of buying it. Game has a lot of issues and mindblowing design decisions, but it also offers SO much. As I have mentioned somewhere else, people like different things, different racing/driving games and stuff they can do in it (livery comes in my mind instantly). But saying that GT6 plainly sucks, because it doesn't deliver some things you can find in other games is not right.
And when you put it in a certain context, it even gets ridicoulous. For example Bioshock Infinite (i loved that game btw).
About 10 hours of playtime and that's it. Great story, great graphics and so on. But this game offered me just 10 hours of playtime. It doesn't really offer any replaybility. And this comes into 5€/hr.
I played GT5 for HUNDREDS of hours. And I got a lot more for my money. A lot. Do I have to mention that minimum wage in my country is 285€?
My point is, GT offers a great value for it's money. However it is bashed by reviewers (journalist, or whatever those guys call themselves) and some gamers. It should be, but we also have to remember what it does offer you a lot, despite having A LOT of issues.

Anyway, I am really tired after writing this comment. Sorry for my english, it's not my native language afterall. Just kind of tired of this continous bashing. In my opinion GT is not a 10/10 game and probably not even 9/10, but it is a game you should buy if you love DRIVING.

 

[dragonitti]

I can understand people getting bent out of shape if they read the back cover and it talks so much about racing & then they end up with a game with just a bunch of arcade style pass all opponents from the back game instead.

I'm not upset - I didn't make the mistake of buying it. I am however sad that PD no longer make racing games.

Isn't that what Online if for? To provide that aspect of the racing. I definitely need the AI to be faster and more aggressive though for sure. Mistake? I don't feel that it was mistake at all.

Standing starts - I'm fine with either one, so long as the rolling starts don't take forever like they did in 5 (which they are much faster to get going in 6).

Damage - Seems fairly accurate to me also, for reasons I've stated before in either this thread or another.

 

[mr_serious]

Isn't that what Online if for? To provide that aspect of the racing. I definitely need the AI to be faster and more aggressive though for sure. Mistake? I don't feel that it was mistake at all.

Standing starts - I'm fine with either one, so long as the rolling starts don't take forever like they did in 5 (which they are much faster to get going in 6).

Damage - Seems fairly accurate to me also, for reasons I've stated before in either this thread or another.

Playing anything online for me is virtually impossible. I'm in my late 40's and have a missus, cats, dependants etc... I can barely get through a short offline race without having to pause for something - not doable online in any game.

 

[dragonitti]

Playing anything online for me is virtually impossible. I'm in my late 40's and have a missus, cats, dependants etc... I can barely get through a short offline race without having to pause for something - not doable online in any game.

Well that stinks. I'm in my mid 30's, work full time 3 dependants, 4 if you count the dog. I hit up Crossfit on a regular basis. Fortunately I have some time to squeeze in some online action.

 

[kollosson]

This is ridiculous really, has every Microsoft employee got an account here or something, I have had a drive on Forza 5, sure the graphics look great but the handling is not a patch on GT6, no way. People on here are ripping into GT6 and comparing it to Forza 5 ? ok lets talk about F5, 12 tracks? low car count, crap physics, great graphics and its supposed to be a next gen racer, compared to GT6 its a lazy demo, I think GT6 is awesome, the standard cars are much better and content is huge, i'm a very happy racer, you guys complaining need to get an xbox one with Forza 5 and have a coke and a smile and leave us sim racers in peace....

 

[Strittan]

The rolling starts are stupid indeed, the AI sucks, the sounds are just as horrible as ever, and I despise the standard cars. Other than that it feels like a solid game in my opinion.

This is ridiculous really, has every Microsoft employee got an account here or something, I have had a drive on Forza 5, sure the graphics look great but the handling is not a patch on GT6, no way. People on here are ripping into GT6 and comparing it to Forza 5 ? ok lets talk about F5, 12 tracks? low car count, crap physics, great graphics and its supposed to be a next gen racer, compared to GT6 its a lazy demo, I think GT6 is awesome, the standard cars are much better and content is huge, i'm a very happy racer, you guys complaining need to get an xbox one with Forza 5 and have a coke and a smile and leave us sim racers in peace....

Or you could try to accept the fact that people are free to think what they want, and leave them and their opinions in peace...

 

[mr_serious]

This is ridiculous really, has every Microsoft employee got an account here or something, I have had a drive on Forza 5, sure the graphics look great but the handling is not a patch on GT6, no way. People on here are ripping into GT6 and comparing it to Forza 5 ? ok lets talk about F5, 12 tracks? low car count, crap physics, great graphics and its supposed to be a next gen racer, compared to GT6 its a lazy demo, I think GT6 is awesome, the standard cars are much better and content is huge, i'm a very happy racer, you guys complaining need to get an xbox one with Forza 5 and have a coke and a smile and leave us sim racers in peace....

I don't know anything about Forza but driving from the back of a field of slow cars to get to the front in 2 or 3 laps isn't really racing. It is more of an arcade challenge. Racing just isn't racing without competition. Obviously if you play online then you get real opponents, but the single player experience is nothing at all like racing.