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Qualified 15th and finished 9th. Would have got 7th but made miscalculation of the fuel so had to bang it into fuel map 4 for the last lap :(

Also had a 1 second penalty for hitting a car at the entrance to the pits as they hit the barrier in front of me as we both went in! :mad:

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Qualified 15th and finished 9th. Would have got 7th but made miscalculation of the fuel so had to bang it into fuel map 4 for the last lap :(

Also had a 1 second penalty for hitting a car at the entrance to the pits as they hit the barrier in front of me as we both went in! :mad:

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Thats me! I was coming here to descibe that race because wow I worked for that win, despite winning by 20s (P3 got a 20s penalty that I didn't know about)

Firstly, qualifying didn't start or finish too well, my banker I got a penalty on, so it didn't count, and then my next two laps I got held up, ended up P6 about 0.05 behind P3 annoyingly, 0.6/0.8 off P2/1 respectively.

I overtook P5 round the outside of T1, and P3/4 were fighting and got a penalty each so I stuck behind them and got them within the lap. I slowly started catching P2, and was about 4 seconds behind P1. I force P2 into a mistake but it was one of them where we both lost time because of it, so I'm now about 5.5 behind P1 and I was ready to settle for P2 as he had been the quickest driver in qualifying and currently in the race too.

....But, he pits. I now have a net 7 second lead on him, with 7.5 laps to go (pits are half way through the track). My tyres are starting to die, I'm losing minimum 0.5 a lap because of my front left, and P3 (net P2 once actual P2 eventually pits) was catching at about 1 second a lap, meaning at this rate, he will catch me on the final lap. I'm pushing like crazy, and I just can't stop the inevitable. I begin to think about what I'll do when he eventually catches me, 3 laps to go, I can sense his tyres have lost the initial grip that he has, but mine have went off even further, meaning its still a 1s gap a lap. 2 seconds with 2 to go, and he gets the slipstream meaning he's about 0.5 across the line with one to go. I decide I have to let him go ahead at the start of the straight and slipstream him back, but we're side by side all down the straight and thankfully i'm on the inside and just brake right after he does and basically push him out wide forcing him to slow down, and I somehow cross the line half a second ahead to win my first race in nearly 2 years since I last did any FIA events.

Forgot how good it feels.
 
Always the same 🤬:banghead: penalty system :lol:
Rammed a first time , after blocked on the rail with nowhere to go , 5sc penalty .... O_o ???? What a season start.
I've used racing medium front / Racing hard rear for the first 10 laps , it was ok with my 4WD Lambo.
 
Interesting in Kie's guide he's got the manufacturers strategy down as a no stop. I'm using the Lexus which I understand is one of the worst on fuel economy, so maybe 1 stop will be faster for me.

I'm not the greatest at fuel saving strategy so whilst no stop may be the META, I will be going 1 stop.

Tried no-stopping with the SLS in Slot 1. Definitely not a great idea, at least with this car. The required amount of fuel management and the infamous front tire deg cost more time than stopping once.
 
Had a look at the leaderboards in Oceania and oh boy it’s to close to call. There’s a lot of equal places. PD have made the points waaaaayyyyy to small. I feel like I’ve got no chance of sneaking into Top 16 after seeing these results. Im an A+:S driver and I’m being beaten by noobs sitting 30th in nations and 50th in Manufacturers. I’m NOT liking the look of this new point system.

I’m Trying not to panic cos it’s only the start of the new season (so we’ll see how this goes) and I hope PD are only trialing this new change and not making it permanent yet before next official season.
 
I've done the tedious job of collecting starting DRs for all drivers in two lobbies. Two drivers' profiles couldn't be found (I tried both I and l where the names were ambiguous), so I just averaged the DRs above and below for those two.

There does seem to be a non-constant factor used to determine the winner's points from the average DR, though it's not that big a difference, even from 8k to 64k.

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There should be a rule about the number of dailies you have to enter per week to be eligible to race in FIA races for each week.

Let’s say all players must complete “15” Daily races per week, then they can enter the following weeks FIA races.

Why should the top guys be allowed to bank their 75k DR and not face the risks us lower ranked drivers have to face.

They are too protected. Come play with everyone else.
Lost interest in the daily races, wouldn't like being forced to run them anyway. No thanks.
 
Well that was an interesting night.

Tried Nations 1st and chose the 16 gtr just to be different. It doesn't start very well, so dropped from 7th to about 11th by the 1st corner (started with Medium fronts and Hard rears). Race was decided at the end of the 2nd lap when the guy in front ran wide at the last corner, I went for the inside line and he then decided to try and pit. I got knocked into the pit and got a 5 second penalty for knocking him off the track. Managed to fight my way back up to 11th so decided that was enough of that.

Did Manufacturers twice. 1st race I had a decent qualification and went with hards for a no-stop, but people were a bit impatient and kept punting me into walls, so only managed 12th. 2nd race I qualified in 2nd and decided to pit so started with medium fronts and hard rears. This might have worked if I hadn't got completely smashed to bits at the 1st hairpin. The guy in 3rd just seemed to miss his braking and took me and the guy in 1st out. Lost about 12 places with full car damage. Tbh this ended up making the race a lot of fun as I had some really good fights with a couple of my fellow Lamborghini drivers, and after pitting on lap 9 for a set of new mediums I managed to fight my way up through the field to 3rd (1 guy didn't use hards).

 
It looks like the new points system is, if anything, worse than before for not rewarding higher splits sufficiently.

Everything Polyphony has done to these championships in 2019 has been a shambles. Hate to think of the amount of money being chucked at this ship starting to sink.

The winner of Split 7 in EMEA is outscoring most of top split, and this is with a lower playerbase than an Official Season.

Making finishing 20th less bad than before hasn't made the fundamental problem go away.
I haven't seen a lot of the numbers but I don't think it's worse than before, I think it's about the same, but a tiny step in the right direction.
Makes you wonder how much simulation they've run on the numbers, but then again they are probably working very hard on new content.
We'll see how it goes next year for the official series.
 
Did one more race with an average DR in between the first two. Interestingly (for people who are interested in this sort of thing, at least!), the factor that determines the winner's points based on average DR is not only non-constant, the function relating it to DR is non-linear. So it will be having very little impact across the top few splits. The factor relating 20th place points to average DR appears to be constant. So I still believe that it is more beneficial to be in a higher split with the new points system than it was with the previous system.

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Edit: I suspect the winner's points might be related to both the average DR, and the standard deviation of the DRs. The lowest rated of the 3 lobbies I looked at had the lowest std dev, and the highest rated had the highest std dev. It stands to reason that the more spread out the DRs are, the easier it is for the highest rated driver to win, and hence it makes sense to boost the winner's points for a lobby with a low std dev of DRs. We'll be able to see if this is the case if we get a top split where everyone is at or near to 75k, as it should have points for the winner that are higher, relative to average DR, than was the case in the top split lobby above, if it does indeed depend on the standard deviation of the DRs.
 
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I'm not convinced the new points is any better to be honest. Nations race I finished in lower half of the field and got 110ish points, Manu race I finished in top half and got 170ish points. From my personal performance perspective, I did perform better in Manu but even if I run a perfect race in Nations I would struggle to match that 170 points. So yeah, if you're in the bottom half of a split, it would still be beneficial to tank your DR and finish in the sharp end of an easier grid.

Thing is, unless they make the points system completely linear for every player from top split downwards, I don't think any solution is going to be perfect for everyone. Functionally, the points system is just to qualify people for live events, so I wouldn't mind it being scrapped for every room bar top split. If you're not consistently performing well in top split, you're gonna struggle to get in a live event anyway so it makes no difference what points you have except for bragging rights. Then we'll have people stop stressing over DR and every sliver of points and just enjoy the racing for what it is.
 
Does PD only look at points? Shouldn't they be looking at the overall race times as well?

It sounds like a good idea at first, but the only way this works is that the points wouldn't be allocated until all the races in the round have finished. That's just a lottery. Also it's a race not a time trial, the goal in a race is to win the race with the least risk possible, not to risk crashing when you're a mile in front to score more points.
 
For Nations Cup, I ran some test races last night... race leader had the following strategy which I think I will implement tonight:

start on medium
pit lap 6 for hard
pit lap 9 for medium and finish race on that set.

He was averaging 1:45s on mediums and 1:47s on hard IIRC.

Having fought hard to get back to a B/S rating after being the victim of some horrendous dirty driving (and the occasional red mist after some of it!), it was with trepidation that i put it on the line tonight in the only 2 races I managed to start.

Nations: I qualified 12th of 18 in the Xanavi Nismo, started the race with the above strategy and by the first corner I was in 6th, but due to the ridiculously "over-zealous" driving (very generous description) of those I'd passed, I was back to 11th before I'd even exited that corner.🤬 Crazy amounts of contact around me. I was 8th by the start of L2, 6th by L4. But my race was constantly compromised by the aggressive contact by 2 French drivers, with one almost pitching me into a spin with 2 hard hits at the post-dip hairpin halfway round the lap.

I was still in 6th after my pitstop (in hindsight, I would probably have been better staying out until L7), and began L8 in 5th. Laps 2-5 ranged between 1:50.556 and 1:53.044. L8 and L9 averaged 1:49.500. After the L9 pitstop, I came out in 7th but soon retook 6th with both French drivers together ahead of me. One of them pitted on L13 and so I was now in 5th again. BoP kicked in, and the 2nd French car was soon on my tail, trying to get by at the start of the final lap. My luck (and grip) ran out near the end of the lap and he got past me as i slid a bit too wide, and so the two French drivers' dubious tactics had worked.
Under the circumstances, I'd done well though.

Manufacturers: With no idea who to race for, I decided to opt for Lexus and it proved to be a poor choice for me. I hate racing any of the Tokyo track layouts as they end up being penalty-filled orange DR-fests and tonight was no exception. My nemesis in this one raced under the Slovak flag. He'd already messed up my qualifying lap with unnecessary contact. That, and the fact that the Lexus (in my hands at least) was totally unsuited to this track left me starting the race in 20th. Opting for a no-stopper with Hards on the rear and Mediums up front, I gained a place at the start and together with the now P20 car we caught the Slovakian who by now had a 2 second penalty and had then crashed into the chicane, dropping to 18th from his 5th place start. We dropped him and I made it to 17th. The Slovakian made a mad dive up the inside of a corner on L4 and unsurprisingly hit me, but I got a 4 second penalty for it.🤬 He then tried it again as I moved to the wall after the chicane and I got another 2 seconds added! Serving that dropped me to 19th, with the Slovak behind. I didn't make it hard for him to repass me as there was no point, the Mustang (and every other car being too quick).

Nothing of note happened until L11 when a German crashed at the pit entry and retired, putting me in 18th due to another driver's pitstop. That car passed me before the end of the lap. I retook 18th when he got a penalty but again he passed me shortly after, leaving me to finish 19th and last. Except that... he crashed into the chicane and I was able to pass and stay ahead by about half a second, plus his 3 second penalty for the crash. A very underwhelming race but at least I made up 2 places and was (by dint of being the only one in the race) the top Lexus driver!

But thanks to the Slovakian, I am now down to B/A.:grumpy:


Hoping I've not made a really poor choice of manufacturer for this season...
 
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Qualified 13th for Manufactures. Was going well until I was forced to take the chicane wide to avoid a colision ahead. The .5 second penalty had me losing spots down the straight where I got squeezed into the wall by someone going by and was promptly served with a 5 second penalty. Yeah, 🤬 that. Quit the race and I'm done for the night. Doesn't help that because of my ranking I keep getting put into top split rooms where I don't belong. I'm over it.
 
For the first time in two months, did Nations Cup (first one since the official season) Started 17th, absolute chaos off the line and into Turn 1 as it feels like a lot of people selected the 08 GTR without realizing how to actually drive it. Thanks to what felt like a car going off seemingly every few seconds, I managed to gain about 8 positions. Went with a 1 stopper as I had no practice but thought "Hey, worked in the dailies so why not here" and holy crap, it did. Finished 7th trying to chase down 6th and got 150 points, which is nice (along with the fact I got no penalties and wasn't punted off).
 
After finishing fourth for Subaru in Exhibition 1 CSA region despite only racing four of the ten rounds, I knew Tokyo was going to be tough for the Gr. 4 WRX.

Seeded 13th in what must have been 2nd split lobby. Qualified 15th. People were making tons of mistakes and getting penalties. I must have passed like ten cars throughout the race which I did a one stop M/H. However all they needed was half a straight to pass me again. Finished 14th for 82 points.

I wasn't expecting much, didn't get much, and won't race the last slot. Tokyo and Subaru just don't mix.

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Mixed bag to start the season tonight, messed up both Q sessions by starting on the wrong tires. In Nations I got punted hard on T1/L1 and fell back to 18th, then in Manu I was up to P2 and caught the chicane wrong on lap 16 and almost binned it completely. Not bad results though considering the major mess ups I had. :)

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After finishing fourth for Subaru in Exhibition 1 CSA region despite only racing four of the ten rounds, I knew Tokyo was going to be tough for the Gr. 4 WRX.

Seeded 13th in what must have been 2nd split lobby. Qualified 15th. People were making tons of mistakes and getting penalties. I must have passed like ten cars throughout the race which I did a one stop M/H. However all they needed was half a straight to pass me again. Finished 14th for 82 points.

I wasn't expecting much, didn't get much, and won't race the last slot. Tokyo and Subaru just don't mix.

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From what i could tell in my lobby tonight, a lot of cars and Tokyo don't mix. Penalties were popping off like popcorn.
 
Last season's report:
Nations: 362 points / 20th amongst Indonesian drivers / 1560th amongst Asian drivers
Manufacturers: 361 points / 141th amongst Honda drivers in Asia / 1980th amongst Asian drivers

Due to Honda winning Manufacturers ES1 for Asian region, I continued with them.
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(These liveries are all based on fictional cars in GT series that are based on Honda's 1995 Le Mans entry, by the way...)

ES2 Race 1 report:
Nations: Used Raybrig NSX, started H/M then mediums at all times. Pitted twice, had one hell of a race where I finshed 10th due to tire penalties.
Manufacturers: Was able to avoid any wall penalties (only had one car collision penalty) and finish the race in sixth (albeit one minute slower to leader) by going for H/M again and not pitting, then taking advantage of wall penalty victims. I also broke most position gained (9th, having started 15th).
 
Well, Manufacturers went about as well as it did last time I drove a GR.4 at Tokyo: Horrid. Understeer, bumper cars, understeer, walls. No idea what was the point of practicing or even trying, I lost spots faster then I gained and I was screwed no matter what strategy I went with. Screw this combo, really hope I don't have to deal with this anymore.
 
Made a mistake in Manu being overly agressive trying to save fuel in the overly thirsty Mustang. Got involved in mess after mess by falling back and finished last. My one Nations run ended in four corners when I was bumped into the grass and sent me deep into the horrendous midpack in which I couldn't escape. At that point, I felt I was getting the Andrew Brooks Special. :lol:

Thankfully pulled off a podium the final Manu slot of the night.
 
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I'd categorise this race as stressful fun. A fair amount of contact in this one, not dirty driving, just lots of evenly paced drivers and the odd clumsy moment. Went with Hyundai and qualified 9th, only half a second from pole so not too bad for pace. @Lost Sheltie lined up in 2nd in his Lambo. On the exit of the first hairpin is the debris from what was an almighty crash. A slow moving GTR that I initially bump draft only to immediately catch up with them again because they had damage, a Mclaren with a penalty and a slow moving Lost Sheltie. The replay showed that the GTR forgot that you need to brake for the hairpin, fired LostSheltie into P1 and cause a huge amount of damage to multiple cars.

I settle into P7 and thanks to further penalties and a bad chicane exit for another car move into P5. All is fine until lap 8 when the cars ahead of me have a 'chicane incident' leaving a BMW off track to the right pointing perpendicular to the track. I assume they will fly across the track so hold the racing line. Unfortunately they rejoin and straighten up and I plough into the back of them. If I'd read that situation better I would have got past and likely had a much better result. As it stood I lost all momentum, rectified by Lost Sheltie catching up, not really having anywhere to go and bumping me back up to speed (thank you). The incident cost me a good 4 seconds in lap time though.

Lost Sheltie pits after that leaving me in a 4 way scrap for P2. In the dying laps Lost Sheltie on fresh tyres has driven a blinder and catches us up. He manages to get past to take an extremely well deserved 3rd. Hats off to you for an incredible recovery from being dropped to 11th through no fault of your own.

I was happy with 4th, especially as how close it was on the line. Also really pleased to be back in Manufacturers after last season. I'd forgotten how much fun it is with everyone in different cars with different strengths and weaknesses. Nations was fun, but it is a bit of a one make cup.

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Need some help guys,
I have run some practice for manufacturers on Saturday night and have found the tyre wear horrendous! Im driving for Ferrari and even with -5 brake balance and TCS1 its a struggle to keep the rear in check and make the tyres last. Anyone got some tips ?
 
Well I don't know what to make of the new points system because I don't understand it.

I also just got back to DR B/SR S and my races were pretty chaotic.

I'll post a full report later but for Nations I got a whopping 34 points for finishing 7th and in Manufacturers an "exciting" 17 points
for finishing 18th and probably going to loose my DR B on Saturday

Everyone above seems to have got more points so I take it the best points are for A+ and A rank drivers now?
 
I didn't race last night, but looking at the points something looks off. But part of that could be down to Tokyo dishing out penalties at every corner. Never done a real race at any of those tracks, probably never will.

Making my FIA return Saturday. Haven't driven the Subaru in a while, and Nurb is definitely not a good track for me. Will be saying goodbye to some DR.
 
Need some help guys,
I have run some practice for manufacturers on Saturday night and have found the tyre wear horrendous! Im driving for Ferrari and even with -5 brake balance and TCS1 its a struggle to keep the rear in check and make the tyres last. Anyone got some tips ?
That's basically what you get when you choose Ferrari! The Gr.3 Honda also struggles with rear tyre wear. I haven't driven the Gr.3 Ferrari all that much, but I did try it out for the Spa daily race, and it seemed even worse than the Honda for the back end becoming slidey. OTOH, the Gr.4 cars for Honda and Ferrari are very good, whereas most of the FR cars have the opposite problem in Gr.4, they wear the front tyres more. So overall, you're looking to get your best results from the Gr.4 races, and any points you can pick up in Gr.3 races are a bonus.
 
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