FIA Race Discussion [Archive]

[breeminator]

Looks like 4th in the higher split = 1st in the split below. Maybe stretch it to around 6th so it would help stop people DR tanking?

The thing is, it's so easy to do what people are asking for, that I don't believe it's incompetence on the part of PD that they haven't done it, I think it's completely intentional. Last place is getting around 20% of 1st place in each race. The higher that percentage is, the more favourable it becomes towards players in higher splits. It varies depending on the DRs in the splits, but I've just knocked up a quick spreadsheet to let me vary that percentage, and to get the crossover to 6th place in this example needs it to increase to 79%:

Now, this is all so simple that I don't believe PD don't understand this, so I think that they aren't looking at it as a maths problem, as it's not a remotely difficult maths problem. I think they are seeing it as a problem in psychology, i.e. what system produces the most player engagement. With the 79% system above, you'd need to win a race at about 58k DR to match the points of last place in top split. This would massively reduce the number of people who can score competitive points. It might be fair, but I've seen in other sports that fair isn't always best for the sport, many people like an element of lottery so that people who aren't as good can do well if things go their way on a particular day.

 

[Tidgney]

Just to be clear, though, that happens to a lesser extent with the new system than it did before. So if the winner of 9th split now is beating x people in top split for points, then with the previous system it might been 11th split where the winner was beating those same x people.

I don't know if it's the new points system, or whether a lot more people did the first race compared to last season, but in manufacturers it's looking a LOT harder to be competitive in the tables at my current 38k DR than it was last season. Some of it surely is down to the new points system, as every race in every split above my level is now seeing more people scoring above the winner's points at my level.

I can see where you're coming from but with the closeness of points as it is it makes it worse I think? Unless I'm looking at it the wrong way, but irrespective I honestly believe it shouldn't be the case.

I'm missing you on youtube

I'll still be posting on Youtube it's just been a busy time I only got back from Tokyo 2 weeks ago and it's already Monaco ! Be a bit more regular soon . Stream wise they will be on twitch though and honestly it's so much better to stream on !

That points system you created looks so much better. Proper points awarded even for lower places in higher splits but still good separation between splits. I'm assuming this was the spreadsheet you sent to Kaz & PD yet they come up with this crazy new points system. Good luck in Monaco bud, go get that podium

Aww cheers mate! It is indeed .

 

[theschledy]

I wish they made podiums more of an occasion in FIA races. It makes the races feel a little unrewarding. I know there's a special clip after the race for the winner, but outside of that it's just music and some random points getting thrown at you.

Aside from the points, I don't have any major beefs with the FIAs, but I feel like there's a lot of little annoying things about it.

 

[breeminator]

I can see where you're coming from but with the closeness of points as it is it makes it worse I think? Unless I'm looking at it the wrong way, but irrespective I honestly believe it shouldn't be the case.

The closeness of points doesn't make any difference, the leaderboard would put everyone in the same order no matter what overall scaling is applied. I don't know why they've reduced the points to approximately 1/10th of what they were, but it makes no difference at all to the leaderboard, other than there being more tied places, but that will reduce as the season progresses.

 

[RACECAR]

The Manu on Saturday at Nurburgring GP is either a 1 or 2 stop tbh, depending on how your tyres wear.

In a test in the Lambo I was struggling by lap 6, so I might actually 2 stop just to keep the car on the black stuff. I would imagine most people will 1 stop as you will have to do a little bit of fuel saving as well in most cars.

After some testing I just did in a room, it appears a 1 stopper for the Lexus is in order. Looking at Lap 10 for that magic stop as not only does the car feel consistently solid and competitive for the first 5 laps (and gradually falling off afterwards), but having only half of the fuel on fresh tires makes the car a lot faster on that shorter second stint.

 

[Tidgney]

The closeness of points doesn't make any difference, the leaderboard would put everyone in the same order no matter what overall scaling is applied. I don't know why they've reduced the points to approximately 1/10th of what they were, but it makes no difference at all to the leaderboard, other than there being more tied places, but that will reduce as the season progresses.

Ahh apologies yes you're right my bad I was looking at it the wrong way. However the tied points thing is more of a factor now than before, I mean we've had some tied points each season so far and now there's less of a difference between scores.

 

[RACECAR]

Did a practice room for Nations (With someone named "Nik_Makozi". Good kid, he's got potential). A 1 stopper is looking likely with the Aston, which is a shocker as I was expecting it to not be drivable after 6 laps after my past experience where the fronts were gone in about that time.

 

[LeGeNd-1]

Now, this is all so simple that I don't believe PD don't understand this, so I think that they aren't looking at it as a maths problem, as it's not a remotely difficult maths problem. I think they are seeing it as a problem in psychology, i.e. what system produces the most player engagement. With the 79% system above, you'd need to win a race at about 58k DR to match the points of last place in top split. This would massively reduce the number of people who can score competitive points. It might be fair, but I've seen in other sports that fair isn't always best for the sport, many people like an element of lottery so that people who aren't as good can do well if things go their way on a particular day.

Damn I never even thought of looking at it that way. Basically it's a carrot & stick situation. With current points system (and the previous one) lower split players are given inflated points compared to their skill level, so it makes it seem like they're juuuust on the cusp of making it to the finals, thus they are more likely to keep playing. Whereas with Tidgney's system unless you're in top split you can pretty much give up on making the finals (as it should be).

If you look at other design choices in the game (e.g. 20 million cars vs poor payouts, drip feeding MiEx items) it's not beyond impossible that long term player engagement is one of the main factors behind these decisions. I mean at the end of the day only PD knows all the numbers, but occam's razor the simpest explanation is probably the correct one.

 

[RACECAR]

Did a practice room for Nations (With someone named "Nik_Makozi". Good kid, he's got potential). A 1 stopper is looking likely with the Aston, which is a shocker as I was expecting it to not be drivable after 6 laps after my past experience where the fronts were gone in about that time.

After doing some testing with the Jaguar F-Type GR.4, I seem to be getting Identical results. Really shocked at how both of these cars are no longer just boats with the front tires after 6 laps, they actually still seem reasonably drivable despite the increasing lack of grip. Really says something when I can throw them through the chicane with no braking all 15 laps and if done right, at worst manage a tiny rub of the guard rail.

Kinda leaves me wondering which to choose now for the race itself.

 

[Lion-Face]

Oceania fias starting now! Double dipping in the ferrari.

 

[Smiddy_11]

A look at strategy for round 2 of nations.

Hybrid tyres, chicane of death and a close run thing between 1 stop and 2 stops.



Interesting race in store

Great guide, just finished the first time slot and the 2 stopper worked a treat, quallified 4th, shocking start back to 8th. Was stuck in traffic the clean air was good, caught up to the pack in 2 1/2 laps. Ended up in 3rd in the end

 

[banckzy]

Can somebody please help me...

in nations cup race tonight... I want to qualify with full mediums but when I start the race I want M/H.

after the 10min qualifier there is a brief warm up period before the race... during that warm up period... will I be able to change from medium to M/H? Or will I have to do qualy on M/H to be able to start the race with it??

 

[RACECAR]

after the 10min qualifier there is a brief warm up period before the race... during that warm up period... will I be able to change from medium to M/H? Or will I have to do qualy on M/H to be able to start the race with it??

You should be able to change to the appropriate tires you want before the race starts. You start the race with either what you started for Qualifying or with what tires you choose before the race.

 

[banckzy]

You should be able to change to the appropriate tires you want before the race starts. You start the race with either what you started for Qualifying or with what tires you choose before the race.

thank you.

I did a practice lobby just now... qualified on the mediums.. I stupidly exited qualifying thinking I could just switch tyres to hybrid but I exited the entire race.

wanted to be sure that doesn’t happen in the actual lobby.

 

[Smiddy_11]

thank you.

I did a practice lobby just now... qualified on the mediums.. I stupidly exited qualifying thinking I could just switch tyres to hybrid but I exited the entire race.

wanted to be sure that doesn’t happen in the actual lobby.

Yep, once quallifying is over change tyres in the driving options menu before the race starts

 

[Silver_Wolf]

So I have a quick question about tyres but if I use Medium's in qualifying and the change it to hard for the race does that meet the
tyre requirements rule then so I can just do the pit stop strategy as normal?

 

[Adam Barber]

So I have a quick question about tyres but if I use Medium's in qualifying and the change it to hard for the race does that meet the
tyre requirements rule then so I can just do the pit stop strategy as normal?

You have to use the required tyres(s) during the race itself or you'll get a 20 second penalty.

 

[Adam Barber]

Was completely screwed by a slow car on lap 2 in the nation's at the end of the 2nd sector. Spent the rest of the race trying get back to where I qualified.

 

[Ashthebash]

Best laid plans and all that.

Was really looking forward to DT in the Jag, so naturally I've spent all day practicing in the McLaren and was getting around 27:30 for race times with a one stop strategy. Felt like I'd made a bad choice just before the start of the race but in we went anyway.

Ended up qualifying 10th after making mistake after mistake on my final run - could easily have nabbed pole. So being fairly far back I decide to start on hards and run long. Usual to-ing and fro-ing in the first lap and a half, I get up to about 7th, then smash into the barrier on the left at the bottom of the Esses and down to 18th with the two behind a long way back. The one stop strategy leaves the building, I pit at the end of L3 for mediums and the plan was to run as fast as possible for the rest of the race, making use of the clean air at the back.

Due to others having incidents the clean air never really materialised but it ended up eventful! Had a number of battles, a collision with a Finn in T1 who exited the pits and went straight onto the racing line and a great close fight the last couple of laps with a German in a Lexus who I managed to get the better of by hanging it around the outside of T1 going into the final lap.

The recovery drive ended up with me finishing 11th and despite having to fight through the field I managed to gain a little on the leaders so the pace was there. Race was won in 27:29, oh what might have been!

137pts, if I could run it again twice I'd definitely try to, but think I'll take these points with me to Spa

 

[Tidgney]

We're live once again with more FIA action! Manufacturers first and then we'll see what happens! I did 20 miles of driving yesterday and got EMEA rank 1 so maybe a win is on the cards tonight! We'll have to see!

 

[stpatty]

7 people in my lobby. Good thing the point system got revamped.

 

[watto79]

Something I learned from the 2019 season is if a combo isn't working for you, don't force the issue as it only causes frustration. Just enjoy the race as best as you can without overdriving the car. For whatever reason I can't find the pace with the Gr.3 Hyundai at Nurburgring GP. The first sector alone costs me eight tenths against the top 10 times. The jury is out on Hyundai as I've not worked out it's strengths yet. So, lets just have fun and see what happens.

Qualified 17th 1.5 seconds off pole. First half of the race I'm doing all I can just to keep up. In the second stint though the race starts to come back to me. I think this is partly because I'm managing to just put in consistent laps but also everyone else starting to race more and slow themselves down. I pick up places and finish 12th. I've never been so happy with 12th before!

Highlight of the race was witnessing the below. Please pay attention people. This is what you are supposed to do if you miss your braking point and you're about to plough into the back of the car in front. I messaged him after the race just to say that I liked his sportsmanship. I wish more people had this attitude 👍

 

[MattJones_e36]

First FIA race ever, and i get alocated on South America Top Split againt HellzFire, Bonelli and Bernal

That said, i guess a podium on my debut is not a bad result at all I'd upload the video, but i guess Hellzfire will do it soon. Ironically this might be my first and last FIA match with a pad, since a T150 Pro is on the way. Cheers everyone.

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[xxPinkyKissxx]

Decent very close racing. Feel drained with all that concentration for 17 laps! Keeping a sharp eye on those brake lights in front!

Qualified 9th, finished 7th. Could have been worse could have been better 👍

 

[Keith2324]

This was the result in my first Manu race tonight!

 

[HellzFire]

Yes I will @MattJones_e36

Last couple of FIA races before flying to Monaco! They were good. Manufacturers I had good pace on my practices but unfortunately didnt hit my second hotlap for qualy right. At least it brought an amazing battle with Bernal.




For nations again did not hook my qualy lap up, but my race pace was really great. Used the Ftype here which was good if you saved your tyres, weird that more people didnt use it. Enjoyed that

 

[RACECAR]

Tonight was absolute garbage. Nations I managed to choke away not once but twice in the damn chicane, Manufacturers was a screw job on lap 1 courtesy of a 4 second penalty (because somehow, me making the tiniest of contact with some guy dive bombing is worth being penalized for) and then I get barged the hell out of the way on the last lap (with me getting the SR down). I'm already considering giving this season the middle finger and quitting. All this practice I put it and it means absolutely nothing.

 

[Groundfish]

Tonight was absolute garbage. Nations I managed to choke away not once but twice in the damn chicane, Manufacturers was a screw job on lap 1 courtesy of a 4 second penalty (because somehow, me making the tiniest of contact with some guy dive bombing is worth being penalized for) and then I get barged the hell out of the way on the last lap (with me getting the SR down). I'm already considering giving this season the middle finger and quitting. All this practice I put it and it means absolutely nothing.

I was pretty pissed earlier also. I made a mistake lap one on Manu, contacting another player, and was pushe off on inside of turn 3 somehow. I dunno how my car did that from the inside.
Next lap, smashed off by out of control car. To last twice in 2 laps!
So obviously I entered again, got in the time out room of below 99...Qual I get .5 twice on consecutive laps, and end up third on the grid.
Turn 1 myself and the second place qualifier got smashed. We had to go all the way back, and ended up catching the leader at the end, but he was just too far ahead.
It can be very frustrating. My faith in humanity was restored by the nice second place driver.
I guess for myself I have been lucky and haven’t had a lot of bad races...I am not used to it. I was mad as a hornet after the first race. These FIA are quite aggressive imo, and can really piss a person off at times. But without the drama, a good result would be no hum meaningless.

 

[C_Raccoon23]

Since I’ve tried an American and European manufacturer so far, I decided to go with an Asian one this season. Didn’t have a good first race with the Nissan GT-R. I qualified last and just had to make the best of the situation. To be honest, I wasn’t in the best mood to race. I can only race on Saturdays for the time being, so hopefully I will be in better shape for Round 4.

 

[GT5Power]

Well, a month after scoring my maiden win in FIA with the Gr.4 @ Seaside II combo, I returned to the combo once again, this time for Nations, but still driving the McLaren 650S. Seaside in general is really about keeping it clean and taking advantage of the chicane of death claiming your opponents. I bottled qualifying and lined up 14th on the grid, however in the end I managed to finish 7th in the EMEA top split lobby and bag 240 points after a quiet race, with pace that clearly had no business being that far up. I'm quite happy with my result