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Both first attempt were interesting to say the least. Was blocked both times in qualifying and had interesting first laps which cost me overall. Better result in the nation's due to fuel saving but lost the SR from that race due to morons in the manufacturers at Maggiore. Hopefully second time round things work out better for me.
 
Nobody had brakes in my first Nations race today:censored:

Thought I'd give the Beetle a shot for a bit of fun. Slot 1 went like this after I'd been hit by two impatient driver in the qually outlap. What on earth is the rush to pass people on the outlap?:dunce:

Started P19 but was up to P7/P8. The amount of contact was ridiculous. One mistake taking too much kerb didn't help my chances, but I should have finished much higher. Ended up under-fuelled as well, so had to fuel save to the line and just made it ahead of the car behind by 0,02s! P11, 42 pts.


First Manu Slot?
Re-entered the room after emptying the washing machine to find this going on. No disconnect message, and the timer didn't move. The only thing I could do was click Triangle to look at the car choices everyone had made. no way to progress or exit the race. I waited until both qually and race start would have passed before having to re-start the game.:rolleyes:
 
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Glad that both Hyundais got buffed, and that the GT-R GT3 got a slight nerf. But what’s going on with Nations Cup Round 11? It says it’s an N200 race, not specifying a particular model, but there’s no BoP. How odd.

EDIT: Could it be that it’s a race that only permits the 86/BRZ? That’d make sense, as I’d imagine them to be similar enough insofar BoP wouldn’t do much, if at all.
 
watto79
I believe that's a mistake on the website as the in game calendar shows it as a GT86 One Make.
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Word, sounds good.

EDIT: And for the Manufacturers Series race tonight, I’m thinking I ought to just put the BB almost all the way to the back, to equalize tire wear. Thoughts?

EDIT2: I was also wondering what car would be good for the Nations Cup race, especially with the most recent BoP changes. I might just pick a favorite that’s good on straights and go with that, like the Ford GT.

EDIT3: What about tuning the Fugu Z for Nations Cup Round 14, at Tokyo East Outer Loop? I’m thinking of just slamming it and then tinkering with the gearbox, maybe the anti-roll bars, too, if I feel like there’s too much oversteer/understeer. Might also straighten out the toe angles on both ends for the straight.
 
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I'm judging by the screenshots I'm seeing that the Peugeot is no longer the Meta for Nations, but now the GT-R is? If that's the case I'm definitely sticking with the Corvette for that race as well.
 
Went again in Nations. No qualifying lap. Up to 5th the first time we went through the esses. Ended up 3rd, race was won by a pole-sitting GT-R who went flatout. This is even more annoying than my first effort.

Ed - this is what a hitbox looks like when a South African is racing against an Italian:

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That was the frame where the contact happened. Amazing.
 
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I figured I needed a lighter car for Nations, so I went with the GR Supra. What an odd-handling thing.

Anyway, qualifying sucked, I started 19th (2s off my optimal, go me) and was 8th by the first split. It wouldn't be hard to guess why - apparently Gr.3 standing starts are an alien concept. Finished... 11th, I think, after stopping for fuel but not tyres.

I wonder if the BMB race at Nations taught everyone some new habits, because with one single exception I did not share the road with another car during the entire race without it turning into me. I ended the race of a Beetle in the first chicane on lap two or three, because he simply didn't recognise I was to his left, he turned in on me and went round. I also ended the race of an Alfa 4C late on (lap 11 or 12) because not only did he do the exact same thing, but the two cars behind me just ploughed into the back of me, so there were three contacts between our two cars.

Every corner had someone sticking their nose up the inside and understeering into the outside car, or opening the steering up to force the outside car off the track on exit, or making a late turn in to hit the inside car off to the inside. Red S and red A everywhere... though I finished with a blue S and where I started at 99. Lost 75DR.

Just stupid.
 
Actually, for tuning the Fugu Z, I'm thinking of just using Praiano's general tune, and then fiddling with the gearbox accordingly for Tokyo East Outer Loop. I think that sounds good, what do you think? I think to be more thorough, I'll do my best running the Fugu Z as-stock, then adding Praiano's tune, seeing how much that shaves off, and then play with the gear ratios.

EDIT: Was there really much difference in adjusting the top speed and the final gear ratio, seeing how they change all the gear ratios at the same time when adjusted? Or did one just give a bit more minute control?
 
stpatty
Is it really possible to no-stop today's Nations race? I just tried the GT-R in a practice, which was okay on fuel and is now lighter and less powerful, and with short shifting and coasting I managed 9 laps out of it. Are there cars that much better?
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That reminds me, I nearly eked 9 laps out of the GT-R on my way to a 7th with barely any lift & coast, namely into T1 and the hairpin after the downhill straight. My pitstop dumped me breathing in the fumes from a Beetle who either bothered to do some fuel-saving or kept his original tyres.
 
DK
That reminds me, I nearly eked 9 laps out of the GT-R on my way to a 7th with barely any lift & coast, namely into T1 and the hairpin after the downhill straight. My pitstop dumped me breathing in the fumes from a Beetle who either bothered to do some fuel-saving or kept his original tyres.
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I did alright in both of my attempts. Second try I made the fuel last 9 laps with 0.6 remaining, though I followed a Ferrari for a few laps. The leader pitted on lap 8 with less than 10 after going flat out.
 
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So 1 minute of pit lane dancing until someone quit and then we all left the pits together in a mass group!

A last minute moment of madness made me switch manufacturer to Dodge as I like(d) driving the Gr.3 and Gr.4. Don’t know what I was thinking! My worst result of the season so far :dunce:

Qualified 14th and finished 14th. Stuck in a group miles behind the leading pack, pushing and barging each other the whole race. Grim
 
Before yesterday's update, I had seriously considered not doing the Maggiore GP Manufacturers round as I knew that the Mustang wasn't the most competitive Gr.4 car on technical circuits. However, the recent BoP changes gave me a chance to see whether the weight break it received would make a difference to how the car felt and performed in lobby conditions.

15:20 Manufacturers
Had the fortune of meeting @watto79 once again, though being seeded first gave me some concern considering my tendency to falter at higher lobby ranks. All in all, a rather diverse grid; saw a single Ferrari, Viper, Huracan, NSX and Megane Trophy in there along with three Caymans and pairs of Mercs, M4s, Alfas, Toyotas and WRXs. Did one quali lap in clean air (2:04.668) and another in the Ferrari's slipstream (2:04.518), a small difference which enabled me to start 9th - six-tenths off the pole-sitting Lambo.

Went into the race with the same approach as last time, but with the added knowledge from test lobbies that the Mustang felt comfortable and consistent on 3x tyre wear. Briefly drew alongside the Viper when he went wide at Turn 5 on the opening lap, but otherwise spent the majority of the race sandwiched between him and the yellow M4, trying to manage the tyres and fuel as well as possible. Had a couple of scrappy moments, but nothing to make the M4 a permanent threat, and as the laps ticked by I find myself three-and-a-half seconds behind the Lambo and Megane fighting for the lead. By Lap 7, the gap between the first 9 cars falls to as little as around 2.2 seconds, which could have given us a major boost if any disasters happened up ahead.

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One such disaster fell upon the Lambo, who by this point had fallen to third. At the final S-bend, the yellow WRX runs wide in front of him and there is the tiniest of contacts between them. As I see the WRX letting him and the Cayman past, and get close to the pack down the start-finish straight, the Lambo's on-screen graphics appear... and he's been given a 4-second penalty. For a tiny, insignificant tap on the WRX which was already running out of road. Hands down the harshest and most disproportionately severe penalty I have seen in a live Sport Mode race. The Lambo is eliminated from the Top 10, and the Mustang gains a place. Possibly more if the battles for 2nd-4th and 5th-7th bring any other surprises. Sure enough, on Lap 9, the Cayman drops two wheels onto the grass and slides on the edge of Turn 5. I get through to 7th by a hair's width, but the M4 bumps him, allowing us to surge ahead and escape the pressure.

Fuel and tyres looked good, which combined with early braking and ongoing scraps up front allowed the Mustang to breath down the Viper's neck on a couple more occasions. The Viper battles a blue-and-white WRX going into the final lap; out of Turn 4, the Ferrari is forced wide and drops from 3rd to 6th in one fell swoop. I follow the Viper down the middle of the straight, and get a tight line to draw alongside the Ferrari out of Turn 5. Got out of the throttle as a move around the outside, again, was out of the question. This squabbling allows the M4 to halve the deficit he had on me, and I lose more time as the Viper outbrakes himself, pushes the blue-and-white WRX wide and backs off to let him keep the place at Turn 14. He's wide through the final turn, and for some reason (probably out of guilt for holding the Ferrari up) flashes his hazards and pulls over on the run to the line. What's happening? The Ferrari's through! Are we about to gain another place at the death?

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Not quite.

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But still, 7th place and 201 points is another useful result for Ford. Makes it six top-10 finishes this season and the second using the Mustang. Kind of surprised and pleased with the Gr.4 machine's recent performances after my early struggles to gauge its competitiveness under the previous BoP settings. The car felt stable and forgiving enough, plus had enough fuel to last another lap with consistent short-shifting. It makes me feel a bit more optimistic coming into the second stage, and the sooner I can get three or more solid scores to complete my Manufacturers tally, the better.
 
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Second run through of both races and things went much better for me.

NATIONS

After a dismal qualifying put me in 10th in the Ferrari (not that was a problem). Turns out that the Ferrari is a complete monster of the line and managed to get up to 4th by T1 where I backed of to avoid contact putting back into about 6th. After following a mercedes for the first 6-7 laps they pitted for fuel and weren't fuel saving as it turns out. Ferrari is really good and fuel and post last month's handling changes is stable and doesn't try and kill you all the time so, after a few more laps I pitted lap 9 (could have pitted lap 10 but wanted to guarantee myself clean air). Came out still in 3rd after everyone's pit stops where I slipped to 4th lap 12 due to a GT-R going flat out.

MANUFACTURERS

Qualifying was disappointing with my first weekend back with a rebalanced Ferrari as I got blocked so started in 11th. At the start the M4 behind me (same guy who blocked be) made a stupid lunge at T1 so I just got out their way. Turns out this was a blessing in disguise as that M4 along with an SLS and a Chrome Jag started knocking lumps out if each other and on lap 2 I got past all 3 where they continued to knock several lumps out of each other. I then just concentrated on putting in consistent and clean laps where I eventually caught up the group of 4 cars ahead. As I caught up to them one of the GT-Rs span the Aston giving me a position putting me in 7th and the SLS at the back to 4th from where they had a quiet race. The next lap I got past the GT-R serving their penalty and the other at that awkward corner with about a million different lines through it. Over the next few laps I had a good clean battle with that GT-R but it allowed the Aston to catch up. Lap 10 and I went deep into T1 allowing the GT-R to get past and then with slightly dirty tyres the Aston got past me and that GT-R. Overall I finished 7th which I was fairly happy about but could've got 5th if not for that mistake. Overall the Gr4 Ferrari is really good and more importantly regained my S rank for SR so all good In the end.
 
I got dive bombed in quali by someone faster than me and got a penalty because of it, naturally leaving me in last. There's no need for it, leave a gap between us you monumental bellend.

Then in the race, someone decides to cut a corner to get ahead of me, so naturally I push him wide at the last corner (no contact and we were side by side) and he then doesn't brake for T1 losing me 3 positions.

**** people who can't race. Not sure I'll do another one as the Nissan sucks here.
 
VulcanSpirit
Before yesterday's update, I had seriously considered not doing the Maggiore GP Manufacturers round as I knew that the Mustang wasn't the most competitive Gr.4 car on technical circuits. However, the recent BoP changes gave me a chance to see whether the weight break it received would make a difference to how the car felt and performed in lobby conditions.

15:20 Manufacturers
Had the fortune of meeting @watto79 once again, though being seeded first gave me some concern considering my tendency to falter at higher lobby ranks. All in all, a rather diverse grid; saw a single Ferrari, Viper, Huracan, NSX and Megane Trophy in there along with three Caymans and pairs of Mercs, M4s, Alfas, Toyotas and WRXs. Did one quali lap in clean air (2:04.668) and another in the Ferrari's slipstream (2:04.518), a small difference which enabled me to start 9th - six-tenths off the pole-sitting Lambo.

Went into the race with the same approach as last time, but with the added knowledge from test lobbies that the Mustang felt comfortable and consistent on 3x tyre wear. Briefly drew alongside the Viper when he went wide at Turn 5 on the opening lap, but otherwise spent the majority of the race sandwiched between him and the yellow M4, trying to manage the tyres and fuel as well as possible. Had a couple of scrappy moments, but nothing to make the M4 a permanent threat, and as the laps ticked by I find myself three-and-a-half seconds behind the Lambo and Megane fighting for the lead. By Lap 7, the gap between the first 9 cars falls to as little as around 2.2 seconds, which could have given us a major boost if any disasters happened up ahead.

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One such disaster fell upon the Lambo, who by this point had fallen to third. At the final S-bend, the yellow WRX runs wide in front of him and there is the tiniest of contacts between them. As I see the WRX letting him and the Cayman past, and get close to the pack down the start-finish straight, the Lambo's on-screen graphics appear... and he's been given a 4-second penalty. For a tiny, insignificant tap on the WRX which was already running out of road. Hands down the harshest and most disproportionately severe penalty I have seen in a live Sport Mode race. The Lambo is eliminated from the Top 10, and the Mustang gains a place. Possibly more if the battles for 2nd-4th and 5th-7th bring any other surprises. Sure enough, on Lap 9, the Cayman drops two wheels onto the grass and slides on the edge of Turn 5. I get through to 7th by a hair's width, but the M4 bumps him, allowing us to surge ahead and escape the pressure.

Fuel and tyres looked good, which combined with early braking and ongoing scraps up front allowed the Mustang to breath down the Viper's neck on a couple more occasions. The Viper battles a blue-and-white WRX going into the final lap; out of Turn 4, the Ferrari is forced wide and drops from 3rd to 6th in one fell swoop. I follow the Viper down the middle of the straight, and get a tight line to draw alongside the Ferrari out of Turn 5. Got out of the throttle as a move around the outside, again, was out of the question. This squabbling allows the M4 to halve the deficit he had on me, and I lose more time as the Viper outbrakes himself, pushes the blue-and-white WRX wide and backs off to let him keep the place at Turn 14. He's wide through the final turn, and for some reason (probably out of guilt for holding the Ferrari up) flashes his hazards and pulls over on the run to the line. What's happening? The Ferrari's through! Are we about to gain another place at the death?

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Not quite.

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But still, 7th place and 201 points is another useful result for Ford. Makes it six top-10 positions this season and the second using the Mustang. Kind of surprised and pleased with the Gr.4 machine's recent performances after my early struggles to gauge its competitiveness under the previous BoP settings. The car felt stable and forgiving enough, plus had enough fuel to last another lap with consistent short-shifting. It makes me feel a bit more optimistic coming into the second stage, and the sooner I can get three or more solid scores to complete my Manufacturers tally, the better.
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At what rev do you shift?
 
Watched the replay of my no HUD race. I thought I got a penalty from the contact into the Larini hairpin before the PZ. NOPE. I got 1 second for the whisper of contact, by an oversteering GT-R that passes me up the inside, at the bottom Hill hairpin before the COD.

Watched it over and over and I was so far over towards the kerb. No lag because we all had green bars. That cost me two positions when I served it. Plus, it slowed my pace, from when I ran out of fuel. May have made it to the pits, quicker, under power and come out ahead of a couple cars. Oh well.
 
I feel like I’m really struggling to figure out a good gear ratio for Nations Cup round 14. No matter what I set the top speed as, it feels like the car gets up to about 163 mph on the main straight before I have to start braking for turn 1. Is it because I’m leaving the power as stock for every attempt? (Now that I look at it, because BoP isn’t gonna be on for round 14, I think I could use whatever power or weight I want.)

Anyway, what’re some things I should know about gear ratios? I think you want a gear’s end to roughly correspond with the maximum speed you’re at, when in that gear, before you need to start braking. Would this mean I’d want to max out acceleration for the first two gears, though? Or would I alternatively want to see if I can meet the top speed set by say, the third (or even fourth) gear using those earlier gears? I would think it’d depend on how many gears potentially need to get “maxed out” over the course of a lap, but for me, that just means my three top speeds for the following braking areas: turn 1, the kink after the second checkpoint, and braking for the u-turn just before the penultimate checkpoint.

At any rate, I was thinking of using the third/fourth/fifth gears for those respective maximum speeds, then max out acceleration for the first two gears so that I’m quick out of those corners. Or maybe instead, I should see if the first two gears can be configured so that the third gear doesn’t have to spend as much time accelerating.
 
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Nations Cup. Started 9th. Finished 10th. 1 stop for gas.

Good race. Nice start by the whole grid. Some light bumping on lap 1. I got knocked off on lap 2, probably one of those chain reaction deals. Lots of cars making an effort getting out of the way when they crashed. Nice to see. 👍

Was going to post a picture of my "Fastest in Canada" star. It was tough to do against the 19 American drivers. ;)
 
Man Nations was a mess. I had a bad qualifying lap thanks to the COD and the guy behind was catching me, he bump drafts me, but does so too close to the first chicane so I go wide, and because of the speed differential I get a 2s penalty. Started 18th, but thanks to the amazing start of the 458 I'm up 5 positions heading into the first chicane. Being stuck on the outside though was my downfall, because just when I think we're about to clear it cleanly, I get punted. Watching the replay reveals that there were actually 3 cars on my inside, so of course a parking lot occurred which sparked all that. I'm down in 20th, 2 seconds behind 19th, who's 3 seconds behind 1st-18th. But man were there incidents galore. On the next lap I pass 2 cars who were ghosted and spun on the corner exit before the 2nd hairpin, and coming out of the hairpin I pass another car who spun on corner exit. Things are quiet until Lap 4 where I pass another person who spun on the corner exit before the 2nd hairpin, and by Lap 5 I'm on the tail of the guy in front. I made a sloppy move into the 2nd hairpin and punted him, but luckily he didn't lose too much time as he was only 0.5s behind me. Coming out of the first chicane on the next lap I let him go since he had caught up to me. We also both pass a poor victim of the Chicane of Death, so I'm in 14th. On Lap 8 I pass people in the pits for 10th place, and on the next lap I'm in 7th from more people pitting. I pit on lap 10 with one lap of fuel left and come out 9th, where I stayed until the end of the race. Luckily, I only lost 3 SR so I'm still good for the Manufacturer's race. I'm definitely going to try the Nations again though because I know I can get a better result.
 
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