FIA Race Discussion [Archive]

[Dave_H_87]

Getting around the start of sector 3 is horrible!

My braking in to the first corner is pretty standard (tarmac path on the left, seemingly a mile before the corner) but like yourself I am struggling with braking point in to the chicane at the start of sector 3.
I tend to brake as the white board before the Dunlop bridge disappears but I have had varying results!

 

[Jwptexas]

Everybody talking about the E-Tron meanwhile, I'm getting an entire weeks worth of practice in for Catalunya that last chicane can go F' itself though.

Goodwood could of been a lot more fun if I could figure out how to fix my internet. at this rate I'm only going to have 2-3 scores on the season!

@Bass Addict good race we had at Alsace few weeks back, didn't realize that was you!

 

[RX8 Racer]

Manufacturer Gr.4 Goodwood

Race 3:

I started 8th but immediately lost 2 places for forgetting about cold tyres and running wide at Madgwick. I regained those places from an Aston and Nissan going off at St Mary on lap 2, but my race was ruined the following lap by another Aston that went off before St Mary, before slamming me off into the Shadow Realm.

I was completely tilted at getting an unfair SR down for getting run off, and I ended up making even more mistakes in my rage, finishing a dismal 12th.


Race 4:

I found myself in a much faster lobby with plenty of familiar faces, qualifying in 8th again despite my faster time. This time around, I remembered to take it easy around Madgwick, while my friend HeatAgi and two others ahead went off out of T1.

But it went wrong at St Mary again on lap 2. While I was being held up by a Porsche (the same one that gave me a penalty in Alsace), a blue BMW divebombed me into St Mary, sending me off and down to 9th. Annoyed, I divebombed a Mazda into Woodcote, sending him off when he turned into me, but slowing me down and letting an Aston past. However, the Aston took a 1 second penalty for grazing me while making the pass.

On lap 3, I lost 9th to another Porsche that dived past me into Madgwick, but I reclaimed 8th after others ahead served their penalties. Karma then claims the blue BMW that sent me off, as he bungles Lavant on his own, allowing a Peugeot and I to mug him down Lavant straight. The Peugeot gets the inside into Woodcote, forcing me to take the slower wide line. The blue BMW then makes an utterly stupid divebomb into the Chicane, only succeeding in lawnmowing the runoff as the Peugeot ahead spins out on the Chicane's exit.

I spent the rest of the race maintaining a stalwart defence to take 7th for 85 points.

Bonus: Nations Cup e-tron Practice

I spent Friday night testing strategies in Custom Race, before joining a lobby for a practice race. Shoutout to ERT_Chimpanzee and MoDuS-84 for the clean race!

Me leading the race with MoDuS and Chimpanzee hot on my tail.

MoDuS, struggling on his Hards for the final 3 laps, goes wide on the final corner before accidentally swiping me on the rejoin. It was fine, though, as he got a 0.5 second penalty that was increased to 1 second, putting him behind me.

Both Chimpanzee and MoDuS were on 1-stop (7M-9H). I was on 2-stop (5M-5M-6H).

My findings:

- The possible strategies are 1-stop (7M-9H) or 2-stop (5M-5M-6H or 6M-6M-4H).

- 3-stop (5M-5M-5M-1H) feels unviable, being about 12 seconds off the 5M-5M-6H I tested (my usual lap time ranging between high 1:31 to high 1:32).

- 1-stop is for drivers easy on tyres. Those harsher on their tyres should lean towards 2-stop.

- TC1 is worth considering to help extend tyre life.

 

[sk1719]

I see Kie tapping the e-brake in braking zones for the etron. Is that helping the car slow down a lot more or just for turn in? Makes the car look super unstable.

 

[Bass Addict]

@Bass Addict good race we had at Alsace few weeks back, didn't realize that was you!

Indeed! It is so nice to race against people you can trust.

You were in a very tough lobby at Goodwood,,,,

If you haven't used it already, I've heard you get one free name change... which you could use to correct yours!

That is right...I forgot about that

Thanks for the reminder Kosmo!

 

[Jwptexas]

Indeed! It is so nice to race against people you can trust.

You were in a very tough lobby at Goodwood,,,,

Yeah I've noticed the 1st slot or two you get matched pretty evenly but after that the matching seems to be all over the place with guys like Windfire and then you have a few B rated drivers mixed in the bunch. I should have taken the points got disconnected last 3 slots

 

[Razgriz2118]

Just did a practice race in kie's livestream, and it seems like they were doing 1 stops, but my Mediums were absolutely dead by Lap 6, so I think I may do 5-lap Medium stints for a 2 stop because wear on the front tires is brutal. Also, pretty much everyone in the lobby was using the handbrake into T1 and the chicane, but I definitely can't do that because the car gets de-stabilized for me, since I'm pressing a button not on my wheel for that. I'm wondering if people at my level are going to be using the handbrake or not though.... This is going to be an interesting race, if I do end up doing it.

 

[C_Raccoon23]

I see Kie tapping the e-brake in braking zones for the etron. Is that helping the car slow down a lot more or just for turn in? Makes the car look super unstable.

I'm having second thoughts about doing this race for this very reason. So dumb.

Not to mention it's a grid start. If that's not asking for trouble, I don't know what is.

 

[LeGeNd-1]

Believe it or not, it actually has DTM brakes. It's just much heavier and much faster than a DTM car.

It's also supposed to be sending twice as much power to the rear as the front, and have lateral torque vectoring on the rear wheels, so it should be feeling much more nimble that it is. That part definitely doesn't make sense.

GT physics engine definitely struggles to simulate modern torque vectoring systems properly. Add to that this is a concept car that likely didn't have much testing to dial out its handling characteristics, plus PD's usual rubbish default setup and you have a car that's all show and no go.

Grid start + fast acceleration + heavy car + bad brakes + Fuji T1 = total carnage.

But meh, I've already lost 3k DR from the last Manu race at Fuji. What's a few more bruises

 

[Redneckchef]

So took the E-tron out for a round at Fuji. Somewhat cleaner than I expected, but plenty of red SR at the end. 1 poor guy who got several BS penalties got a reset at the end.

Had @D_Dragline in the lobby at the start but they either disco'd or bailed looking at a couple of the more aggressive names in the lobby.

Wasn't a total mess for me, but I could have been faster. Just decided that since my Nations has been a total wreck i would just do nothing risky, brake early and keep the thing on track. Qualified p14 of 18 so nowhere to go but up (hopefully).

Started hards as I didnt want to waste my tires in the bunch crowd at the start. Got a solid start and pulled over to let an aggressive guy through, sure enough the slide some people turn 1, but I come out on their tail. Then it is trying to stay clean and follow, but not get rumbled. End up with a pack in the slower crowd, move up and down, but pit lap 6 for RM as p12.

Move up next stint with people getting penalties and sliding off. Get to p10 or thereabouts before pitting for another set of M on lap 11. Run to the finish and p10, nothing crazy. Had a couple of Track limit penalties that added up and cost me at least 3 seconds, but was a good 3+ behind p9 so no big deal.

All in all I will take it. 104pts, massively better than I have been doing so quite happy with that. Drove solidly, didnt wreck anyone and didnt really make any stupid mistakes, improved position so it was a good outing.

Good luck and good braking to you all giving it a go

Remember to brake early. Think about where is a really early braking point, and then brake a bit earlier.

 

[D_Dragline]

So took the E-tron out for a round at Fuji. Somewhat cleaner than I expected, but plenty of red SR at the end. 1 poor guy who got several BS penalties got a reset at the end.

Had @D_Dragline in the lobby at the start but they either disco'd or bailed looking at a couple of the more aggressive names in the lobby.

Wasn't a total mess for me, but I could have been faster. Just decided that since my Nations has been a total wreck i would just do nothing risky, brake early and keep the thing on track. Qualified p14 of 18 so nowhere to go but up (hopefully).

Started hards as I didnt want to waste my tires in the bunch crowd at the start. Got a solid start and pulled over to let an aggressive guy through, sure enough the slide some people turn 1, but I come out on their tail. Then it is trying to stay clean and follow, but not get rumbled. End up with a pack in the slower crowd, move up and down, but pit lap 6 for RM as p12.

Move up next stint with people getting penalties and sliding off. Get to p10 or thereabouts before pitting for another set of M on lap 11. Run to the finish and p10, nothing crazy. Had a couple of Track limit penalties that added up and cost me at least 3 seconds, but was a good 3+ behind p9 so no big deal.

All in all I will take it. 104pts, massively better than I have been doing so quite happy with that. Drove solidly, didnt wreck anyone and didnt really make any stupid mistakes, improved position so it was a good outing.

Good luck and good braking to you all giving it a go

Remember to brake early. Think about where is a really early braking point, and then brake a bit earlier.

Disconnected at the end of practice. Was dissapointed as I saw several familiar names. Will jump into a later session and try again.

 

[Redneckchef]

Disconnected at the end of practice. Was dissapointed as I saw several familiar names. Will jump into a later session and try again.

Race wasn't too bad. The more aggressive shove happy drivers ended up down the bottom so there is hope. Kick butt

 

[ShiftingGears]

Race is a mess. Just ate penalties all night.

 

[LeGeNd-1]

PSA: For those who like holding the handbrake during standing starts, USE THE NORMAL BRAKE. I used the handbrake but the torque from the front motors are so strong, it overpowers it and the car moves. It took me a while to realise what happened but by that time I've racked up a huge false start penalty Thankfully it was a messy race from everyone else and climbed up back to 13th (my original starting position). So much work for nothing

Strat wise, 7M+9H (reverse if starting from back) is the way to go. The Meds are not that much faster than Hards in traffic, and the deg is so high you lose too much time battling and will only use up the tyres even more. Also the car has less power understeer on the Hards, so you can actually plant the throttle sooner despite being on less grippier tyres

Always good to see new combos, but man PD need to actually test drive their own cars. The default setup has +0.67 rear toe. No wonder it turns like a truck

 

[ShiftingGears]

Always good to see new combos, but man PD need to actually test drive their own cars. The default setup has +0.67 rear toe. No wonder it turns like a truck

I feel like that someone needs to remind PD that pulling the handbrake shouldn't be the fastest way to slow a racecar down in a straight line as well

 

[kungtotte_]

I think they should allow tuning for races, with locked BoP. I don't understand why they don't.

 

[stpatty]

The car might be bad, but the track is a terrible choice. One of the biggest braking zones in in the game, plus the awful final sector which exposes understeer, which is all this car does. Something like Yamagiwa would have been much better.

Oh, yes.



Also, you need to have reverse mapped to your wheel/controller. If you stop and shift down into reverse, the car will just go forward. Just in case you get spun out or crash somewhere.

 

[RX8 Racer]

Strategy: 6H-5M-5M

I qualified 11th, which was somewhat disappointing because my best time trial time was a mid 1:29. I started on Hards, expecting mayhem into turn 1...and got sent to the back because the polesitter jumped the start and I ran into his rear in the chaos off the line. He got an additional 1 second penalty on top of his jump start, but I tumbled down to 17th.

I was able to climb back up to 13th by lap 3, but then I got absolutely torpedoed at turn 8:

Thanks to that jerk, I got sent down to 18th again while he gets away scot free.

On lap 6, I entered the pits from 14th for the first set of Mediums, losing 1 place in the process. With a clear track ahead, I set off to salvage my race.

You love to see this ahead of you.

By my final stop on lap 11 for more Mediums, I was up in 7th from all the incidents, excursions and penalties the others got caught up in. Exiting the pits in 11th, I chase down the blue #11 Audi, but I accidentally shove him at turn 8 on lap 13. As I was about to give back the place, he shoves me back out of the chicane, only for him to take a 1 second penalty for his shove.

As others made their final stops and get into more trouble, I was back in 7th by lap 14 after someone gets punted off at turn 8. I then make one of the most satisfying moves in my career:



Considering the braking performance of the Audi, Yebisu's attempt at cutting me off could have gotten him punted off. Fortunately, I was able to react and switch to the inside, while the culprit of the aforementioned punt sends himself off into the gravel. I hold on to claim a surprising 5th after a disastrous start.

Half of the finishers lost SR from this race. I'm lucky I only got a single 1 second penalty for the entire race.

 

[Hasnain282]

What could possibly go wrong?

 

[stpatty]

A frankly shameful performance for 3rd place and a season best 148 points. The highlight included looking at one guy in my mirror going into turn 1, looking back at the track, seeing a path on the left before the actual braking point, panicking, braking, then fishtailing into the second guy on the way out giving him a 2 second penalty. An awful, awful performance, which is ironic given I had enough pace to finish 3rd comfortably and probably get top 5 in higher lobbies.

 

[barak181]

What could possibly go wrong?

You could contact COVID like an American politician...

 

[Zorz]

Nations Cup Round 6
This went so, so much better than I was expecting. I finally got the consistency down!

I qualified in P9 with a 1:30.204 which was about my limit in race conditions and started on the Mediums. (Why this car is lighter in free practice, I don't know - there's no damn fuel!)

The grid start was pure chaos and the catalyst to a very good race for me. P4 must have not had traction control on because he didn't go anywhere when the lights went out, and P3 just kind of... spun in place? Was really, really weird. A Swiss driver in one of the front rows got a 1s penalty and I was in P5 heading out of turn 1. Looking good!

The Swiss driver served his penalty moving me up to P4, and then the German driver I had been following got turn 1 all sorts of wrong giving me P3. Lots of battles with a Hungarian driver who was EXTREMELY defensive all the way through to the end for a podium, whilst trying to hold off constant pressure from behind as well. P3 and 159 points - new personal best.

One and done!

 

[DK]

Today I found out that holding the handbrake doesn't work on this crapbox. I got pinballed off the line, then spun about 3 times trying to get going again, resulting in me losing 20 seconds. After picking up a penalty for a bit of pinballing at Dunlop on lap 4, I pitted for Hards which I kept until L10, when I fitted another set of Mediums to take me to 8th and 99pts at the end.

 

[C_Raccoon23]

Just saw Kie’s race. P1 stalled their car and Kie couldn’t react in time and he hit them, giving him engine damage. Be prepared to have to go around other drivers at the start no matter what, people.

 

[CurbHog]

[/QUOTE] I like @CurbHog's videos as well.. typically Scandinavian in straight to the point, no frills, efficient and clear! He always seems to note the same things you're thinking as you watch the videos, which makes them feel familiar and conversational. And he's always pretty positive.[/QUOTE]

Thank you ! Making videos have always been my hobby and doing that for the game adds so much more.

CH

 

[GTWolverine]

Just saw Kie’s race. P1 stalled their car and Kie couldn’t react in time and he hit them, giving him engine damage. Be prepared to have to go around other drivers at the start no matter what, people.

Yeah I anticipate a lot of false starts, at least for the first slot. From what I saw in my practice race though, engine damage doesn't really slow these cars down at all. I mean, I know they don't have engines technically, but I figured they'd still behave the same after a heavy crash.

 

[GTWolverine]

First slot: As expected, low participation put me in Top Split, despite being almost 3k below A+. Saw quite a few familiar names from here as well: @Winnie847, @Geauxgreddy, @sk1719, and @Freeryd503. I was actually somewhat excited to be in Top Split for once, since I'd just set a time good enough for 10th on the North American leaderboard for the first time ever (not including times set when a new race first changes over and aliens haven't set their times yet). I qualified 6th, and needed to finish at least 7th to get over 200 points, which I thought I could do easily given my pace in free practice. Instead, I finished 8th. I was in 5th until I ran wide at the penultimate corner (braking and steering a car that doesn't want to do either). I then dropped down to 7th and pitted from there on Lap 5, planning to do a 2 stop. For some reason, I lost any pace I had once I put on the Hards, and after the first pit cycle was done, I'd actually lost a spot and was in 8th, and continued to drop back until I lost the lead pack. Fortunately I was at least fast enough to not lose anymore spots, so that's where I finished. Normally this would be a decent finish at a track that I hate in a car that's a pain to drive, but given my Free Practice pace, I should be much faster, so I'm going again until I get 200 points or I determine that it's truly not feasible to do any better.

 

[Razgriz2118]

Whew, that was a messy one. I was in a split lower than usual, with 1st only being worth 184 points. One-and-done, couldn't get a decent qualifying time at all and started... 12th? I think, I can't remember and the PS4 is trimming clips rn so I can't check. But, T1 was the usual Fuji pileup, but I managed to escape without a penalty or SR down, facing the correct direction, and I was now in around 7th. I ended up behind a driver who was just really, really slow out of corners, and would pretty much just stop on apexes, causing me to bump them, and the 3-4 bumps I had with them dropped my SR down to 77. I did finish 4th though, and I got a nice 1500 DR boost to around 43.5k DR. All of that, now gone, as I've run a Race C and a Race B without setting a good lap time since I had no practice, but I also wanted to start in the back just to have clean races. So, I got beat by a ton of lower-DR drivers and I'm now to the high 41k DR.

As long as your SR is above 91 you're still in the top of S, correct?

 

[GTWolverine]

First slot: As expected, low participation put me in Top Split, despite being almost 3k below A+. Saw quite a few familiar names from here as well: @Winnie847, @Geauxgreddy, @sk1719, and @Freeryd503. I was actually somewhat excited to be in Top Split for once, since I'd just set a time good enough for 10th on the North American leaderboard for the first time ever (not including times set when a new race first changes over and aliens haven't set their times yet). I qualified 6th, and needed to finish at least 7th to get over 200 points, which I thought I could do easily given my pace in free practice. Instead, I finished 8th. I was in 5th until I ran wide at the penultimate corner (braking and steering a car that doesn't want to do either). I then dropped down to 7th and pitted from there on Lap 5, planning to do a 2 stop. For some reason, I lost any pace I had once I put on the Hards, and after the first pit cycle was done, I'd actually lost a spot and was in 8th, and continued to drop back until I lost the lead pack. Fortunately I was at least fast enough to not lose anymore spots, so that's where I finished. Normally this would be a decent finish at a track that I hate in a car that's a pain to drive, but given my Free Practice pace, I should be much faster, so I'm going again until I get 200 points or I determine that it's truly not feasible to do any better.

2nd slot, Top Split again. This time the win was worth only 240 points. Saw @Geauxgreddy again, along with @Mistah_MCA. Qualified 5th and would've finished there if I hadn't been a complete coward at the final turn. Someone divebombed me from a mile back, and I just let them have the spot on the last turn of the last lap. I didn't even try to fight it, and gave up the spot I needed to get 200 points!

🤬 3rd slot it is. Wouldn't surprise me if the win for this next one was less than 200 points anyway...

 

[afc5150]

How I ended up in a top split lobby in slot 2 is beyond me with only ~33.6K DR..... started 19th with door #20 as one person quit during qualy, finished the race DFL in 17th as 2 people quit during the race. 80 measly points and I'm done for the night. Lost 400 DR in the process.