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Porsche drivers... what's a good time for FP at Barcelona on the Softs, for this week's Manufacturers race? Man... after a pretty good session on this week's Dailies, where I was able to easily get my target times, I put in some practice for this week's FIA race and the 911 was nearly two seconds off my target. I don't know where I can be missing that much time there, but if the Porsche is that hamstrung at this track, it's really hopeless. I didn't see any on the top leaders board, but I wonder what good A/A+ DR drivers are putting down for a lap time there, so I can understand if the car is just that much at a disadvantage at the moment or if I need to dig much harder.

EDIT: figured out a way to look up top Porsche drivers' FP times, using the 'other' site (https://gtsport.r1s3.net/championships)

--> Looks like the Porsche is at about a >1.4 sec disadvantage at Barcelona, in the hands of the top drivers... that's a pretty big gap at a bellwether track. The car really is compromised in the current BoP settings...

My times are within the K' speed score target range, so I guess it's not me. I mean, it's me. But it's not just me.
 
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Porsche drivers... what's a good time for FP at Barcelona on the Softs, for this week's Manufacturers race? Man... after a pretty good session on this week's Dailies, where I was able to easily get my target times, I put in some practice for this week's FIA race and the 911 was nearly two seconds off my target. I don't know where I can be missing that much time there, but if the Porsche is that hamstrung at this track, it's really hopeless. I didn't see any on the top leaders board, but I wonder what good A/A+ DR drivers are putting down for a lap time there, so I can understand if the car is just that much at a disadvantage at the moment or if I need to dig much harder.

EDIT: figured out a way to look up top Porsche drivers' FP times, using the 'other' site (https://gtsport.r1s3.net/championships)

--> Looks like the Porsche is at about a >1.4 sec disadvantage at Barcelona, in the hands of the top drivers... that's a pretty big gap at a bellwether track. The car really is compromised in the current BoP settings...

My times are within the K' speed score target range, so I guess it's not me. I mean, it's me. But it's not just me.

P14 here is in the Porsche
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Porsche drivers... what's a good time for FP at Barcelona on the Softs, for this week's Manufacturers race? Man... after a pretty good session on this week's Dailies, where I was able to easily get my target times, I put in some practice for this week's FIA race and the 911 was nearly two seconds off my target. I don't know where I can be missing that much time there, but if the Porsche is that hamstrung at this track, it's really hopeless. I didn't see any on the top leaders board, but I wonder what good A/A+ DR drivers are putting down for a lap time there, so I can understand if the car is just that much at a disadvantage at the moment or if I need to dig much harder.

EDIT: figured out a way to look up top Porsche drivers' FP times, using the 'other' site (https://gtsport.r1s3.net/championships)

--> Looks like the Porsche is at about a >1.4 sec disadvantage at Barcelona, in the hands of the top drivers... that's a pretty big gap at a bellwether track. The car really is compromised in the current BoP settings...

My times are within the K' speed score target range, so I guess it's not me. I mean, it's me. But it's not just me.

My actual race pace is way off my FP time in the 42s, I think the Porsche should fair pretty well there, from the practice lobbies I've been in A/A+ guys are only putting in 44s/45s for actual lap times during the race on Softs.

Think I'll be going with an off strategy this week my tires seem to be dead by lap 7. Thinking 6S/7M/7S.... hoping less fuel in the car helps me thru lap 7 at the end of the race on tirewear.
 

That's a neat site and new to me... thanks. A bit of a mess but some useful info in there.

Wow, that guy is fast... I guess I need to put in some more work! But when I compare my driving to his, in Gr3 cars, I should be within my K' Speed Score... though. (So maybe Porsche isn't quite as bad as what I estimated the other way, but boy I feel like it's just sucking wind. Almost have to drive it like a Gr4 car there, carrying momentum more than anything.

CR-V19979 Vs KosmoKazi

(interesting: relative K' score would be 77 in Gr3 and 81 in Gr4, if this guy was the standard... exactly the same as my real K' Speed Score... given that he's the fasted Porsche in the world at the moment, for this event, it's a really interesting mark to target. Thanks) ...and thanks @Milouse as always for the great methodology to help create pace targets.

How'd you look up just Porsche drivers?

I just looked at the standings for the top ranked Porsche guys on the official page, then picked their FP times from that other website... but the link the other fellow shared was another way to spot the fastest times globally.
 
I believe I can get another half a second out of the car, which would put me at a 1:44 dead, but not sure that Mazda has any more in it. But qualifying is not my strong suit, so just hope to get the usual 10th-12th spot.

Just hoping this isn’t a replay of Fuji, where I’m just losing seconds a lap on the front straight.
 
I'm not sure if I should race tomorrow, I've only driven Catalunya for the Circuit Experience and I spend about a half hour yesterday in FP trying to learn the track, and while I can get a consistent time, I don't think it's a competitive time (low-to-mid 1:44s). I haven't tried out a race with fuel and tire wear though. I had to turn the cones on for this track because I couldn't find braking points or the proper apexes for like half of the corners.
 
I'm not sure if I should race tomorrow, I've only driven Catalunya for the Circuit Experience and I spend about a half hour yesterday in FP trying to learn the track, and while I can get a consistent time, I don't think it's a competitive time (low-to-mid 1:44s). I haven't tried out a race with fuel and tire wear though. I had to turn the cones on for this track because I couldn't find braking points or the proper apexes for like half of the corners.

Ended up doing two practice races, I could only lap in the mid-1:45s to mid-1:46s on Softs and mid-1:46s to mid-1:47s on Mediums. Sector 2, specifically Turns 7-9, absolutely kill me and I can't find a rhythm through there. So I might do one race tomorrow for fun but I won't be expecting anything except a DR loss.
 
I will see how I feel tomorrow. Want to run once to at least get my A SR back up after that Nations Cup race @fuji. And if the Mazda feels strong, might go for another. But not holding my breath. Having some issues with the rears after 5 laps on softs. And I’m never in a room where a 3 pit will work.
 
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I will see how I feel tomorrow. Want to run once to at least get my A SR back up after that Nations Cup race @fuji. And if the Mazda feels strong, might go for another. But not holding my breath. Having some issues with the rears after 5 laps on softs. And I’m never in a room where a 3 pit will work.

are you in the RX-Vision? If so, do you already have your brake balance towards the front? I drove it for a season and preferred -4 BB not only for better handling but it did a good job at evening out the tire wear too.
 
are you in the RX-Vision? If so, do you already have your brake balance towards the front? I drove it for a season and preferred -4 BB not only for better handling but it did a good job at evening out the tire wear too.

I’m running the Atenza. I have it zero’d out. Never noticed that until we ran the other week in @Pigems Friday Night Mayhem @ Brands though. But that downhill left hairpin in Barcelona is causing the rear to back out mid corner.
 
I’m running the Atenza. I have it zero’d out. Never noticed that until we ran the other week in @Pigems Friday Night Mayhem @ Brands though. But that downhill left hairpin in Barcelona is causing the rear to back out mid corner.

stepping out on throttle or under braking?

edit: if on throttle, I think you know what to do....feather it better, more gently. If on braking, you should still try a little more negative BB, even if you only have to change it for this one corner. If you don't like that, just work on releasing the brake slower in increments, especially while you're giving it strong steering inputs. The liftoff oversteer is real, especially on corners like that. There's a few options, you can lift off a little earlier, before you give it so much steering input, or you can lift off in smaller increments which will slow you down a bit more but to counter that you can brake less than 100% initially so the liftoff won't be as dramatic and you'll carry more speed into the corner but slow the car more on corner entry. Might take some experimenting, but there's time. The negative BB will basically do all that for you though if you don't have such subtle trail-braking.
 
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stepping out on throttle or under braking?

Mid corner, going into the apex. When I'm just letting off the brakes, but before I get on throttle. Only noticed otherwise in Druids @ Brands Hatch. And Turn 5 and 10 @ Barcelona. So very slow, flat corners. Maybe it's just me pushing to try and go a few mph faster. but it ultimately ruins the top speed on the next straight.

On another note; will say running Barcelona this week has been weird for me. I've been playing MotoGP 20 this week a lot, and being they had just run @ Barcelona, I've been running many laps there. My tip is don't do that. Switching from bikes to cars is a big switch. I don't know how long it took my brain to realize I could cut my braking almost in half for that first corner.
 
Mid corner, going into the apex. When I'm just letting off the brakes, but before I get on throttle. Only noticed otherwise in Druids @ Brands Hatch. And Turn 5 and 10 @ Barcelona. So very slow, flat corners. Maybe it's just me pushing to try and go a few mph faster. but it ultimately ruins the top speed on the next straight.

On another note; will say running Barcelona this week has been weird for me. I've been playing MotoGP 20 this week a lot, and being they had just run @ Barcelona, I've been running many laps there. My tip is don't do that. Switching from bikes to cars is a big switch. I don't know how long it took my brain to realize I could cut my braking almost in half for that first corner.

see my edit above. basically just learn to take it easy on that corner. It's the dramatic release of the brakes in conjunction with too much steering input at the same time. weight is shifting too much and causing a slide. slow in, fast out.

also, the Atenza is my favorite, I love that car. I've run it for something like 4 FIA seasons. too bad it gained a little weight in the most recent BoP update. It should still be a solid car here, very good all-arounder.
 
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We'll see what happens.
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I'm going to try and make time to give this a go tonight but the Atenza Gr 3 is tortoise-like down the straights, could be a struggle.
Should have picked the REEEEEEEEEEE!!! RX Vision

Planning on a (probably starting from the lower mid-pack) 6M/7S/7S strat and hope to keep the mistakes to a minimum

Forgot to post a review of my e-Tron race, really enjoyed it!
Qualified third and finished 7th (sideswiped off track on exit of first corner), relatively happy but could/should have been a better result.
 
Qualified 3rd in a low points lobby due to my SR dropping to a low S after Goodwood. The front 4 of us (including a couple of A drivers pulled out a large lead. Lap 5 the wife made me pause the game to discuss something 'important' and i got disconnected for a long pause just as she'd finished the not so important discussion. :banghead:
 
Oh well. No FIA tonight. Entered slot 1, Disconnect. Not trying to stay up till 10:20 for another slot after being up at 4:45.

Not all bad as I am brutally below average at that hateful track.:dopey:


Barfcelona is an horrible track, you should be glad. The disconnection Gods were kind to you....:bowdown:
 
Barcelona is one of those tracks that when I'm in the groove, everything goes smoothly. When I'm not in the groove then it's best I simply stay in the pits.

Tonight was one of those nights when everything went according to plan. Was handed Door #1 in the grouping and although I wasn't able to match my practice pace, I got a clean enough lap for 11th on the grid. Was able to race my way up through the field and was able to avoid 2 cars that spun out ahead of me in separate incidents.

Came in on Lap 7 from 6th to swap the worn Softs for a set of Mediums and half of the required fuel for the race. Came out in 9th and made good speed on the Mediums until Lap 14 where another stop from 6th place to switch back to Softs and drop the remaining fuel. As the final stops filtered through, I found myself in 5th.

Just didn't have enough of a gap to hold 5th as the Peugeot with fresher tyres was able to get past on Lap 19.

Happy with the 6th place finish and a clean race, in a group which featured a couple of average drivers.

 
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Ergh tough race on a track I don’t enjoy much!
Qualified 12th and started on Softs. Was meant to swap to Mediums but ran out of time. 1st lap there was a concertina at one of the hairpins and i hit the car in front and the car behind hit me and I went off into the gravel. Rejoined second to last! Pitted lap 8 for mediums and then lap 13 for fuel and Softs. Still haven’t managed to get over 100 points in a race this season 👎

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Might not get to race today. We had a power outage just now and while power's back the internet is still down.

Still another three hours before the first slot I can do so it might sort itself out, but we'll see :/
 
Manufacturer Series Round 7
I'm only doing that once. My god, that was stressy.

Qualifying was a bit of a mess. You go through all the dance on the outlap where everyone tries to make a reasonable gap to the car in front, except I had a Peugeot who clearly had no intentions of doing that right behind me coming out of the chicane. He went to overtake me into turn 1 and the lap was a write-off from fighting with him through sector 1, so I quit back to the pits and went out again. Thanks for taking away about 1/4 of my qualifying time. :irked:

Ended up qualifying P11 with a 1:44.797. The Peugeot that messed up my qualifying started in P19 (DFL as someone quit during quali) with a 1:46.933, and that wasn't from the lap he spent fighting with me. :rolleyes: I started on the Mediums intending to go 4M/8S/8S.

The start of the race was definitely an "OH 🤬" moment as I almost repeated what I did at Catalunya in an earlier season with Ferrari, where I span out the moment auto drive was released and disappeared down the pit lane mere seconds after the race started. (Yes, I'm serious - I was not amused!) I think I started P11 there too...

Thankfully, I managed to catch it this time, but the Aston Martin starting in P12 absolutely blew me away down the straight because of my sideways start. The traffic during my first stint was horrendous, so I was glad I started on Mediums. I opted to pit at the end of lap 3 instead and extend one of my Soft stints in an attempt to undercut the traffic, and that ended up working pretty well until I went to pit at the end of lap 12. Those Softs were dead. Absolutely dead. I got the pit lane entry wrong and hit the wall on the right, gaining a 1.5s penalty and losing time sat stationary for a bit too. :banghead:

That ultimately cost me because it meant the Hyundai who was a couple seconds behind came out right in front of me, not to mention losing all that time on the penalty line.

I ended up finishing P6 for 138 points, so I'm happy as my strategy worked out an absolute treat. Could have been P5 but still very good considering where I started. Best result of the season so far, and I'm hoping it will push me back into the EMEA Mitsubishi Top 10. Prior to today, I was only 3 points off of it in #12.

 
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Went better than I thought it would!

Seeded at #17 and that's where I managed to qualify at as well, so no big surprise there. Got some okay-ish quali laps in, could probably have gone half a second faster if I'd kept it together but I'm not great at qualifying. On this grid that would've put me around P8-P10. P1 was half a second faster than P2, but P19 was only 1.6 seconds behind P1 so it was a fairly tight grid for a B/S lobby.

So I decided to gamble on a pit strategy where I started on the mediums and would run them for six laps, then do seven/seven on the softs and refuel on the second pitstop. In the Corvette I didn't even bother fuel saving because I'd be losing so much pace then. I was keeping up fine with the rear pack for those six laps, and I even gained two positions from other people messing up during the first lap (because that's where the race is won, amirite?). Kept gaining ground because my pitting strategy put me outside the suggested pit windows so I would pass tons of people as they were pitting. At one point before my second stop I was up to P8.

Came out on track again in P16, but then some guys pitted ahead of me and then started driving really badly. One guy caught 7 seconds worth of penalties and I was right on his ass when he went into the penalty zone but then he ragequit although I saw both incidents that gave him the points and they were well deserved. He punted someone else out of the way so now I was in P11 with several seconds down behind me. P11 ain't bad I thought and decided to focus on bringing it home.

Then on the final lap two guys went into each other on the back straight and racked up some penalties and slowed each other down, so I reached deep down and drove a perfect final sector to catch up as much as possible to those two and managed to cross the line only 0.9 seconds down from them and wouldn't you know it, he had a 1 second penalty.

P10 baby! Up 7 positions from P17 with a CRB. I'm taking those points and going home because it's getting late here and I don't fancy my chances a second time around.
 
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