FIA Race Discussion [Archive]

[MaxAttack]

They have traction control, too.

Pffft, casuals XD

 

[atakyrk]

Well that's another problem, if you're no stopping and you qualify well, then you are at the mercy of the stoppers in the first 2 laps, it makes sense to no stop if you have a bad qually, I understand people want pit stops, and that's fine, and as has been suggested numerous times, just start us on 50% fuel.

When fuel and tyres have huge multipliers why not use a multiplier to reduce the total pit-time. (0.1-1.0)?

 

[gtpierre]

They have traction control, too.

Obviously not "traction control" as it exists in GT sport. If so the races would be wayyy different

 

[Pfei]

Obviously not "traction control" as it exists in GT sport. If so the races would be wayyy different

Correct, it's nothing like GT Sport's terrible implementation of TC. It's quite advanced and doesn't slow the cars down like the rudimentary implementation in GTS. GT3 drivers set the TC level as part of the setup of the car for each track and sometimes adjust it on the fly during qualy and/or the race.

Assetto Corsa does a much better job of replicating the functionality of assists allowed in real GT racing.

 

[MaxAttack]

Correct, it's nothing like GT Sport's terrible implementation of TC. It's quite advanced and doesn't slow the cars down like the rudimentary implementation in GTS. GT3 drivers set the TC level as part of the setup of the car for each track and sometimes adjust it on the fly during qualy and/or the race.

Assetto Corsa does a much better job of replicating the functionality of assists allowed in real GT racing.

I wouldn't call GTs TC "terrible", necessarily. It feels like it works correctly for stuff like the SF Dallara and Merc F1. That said I can't claim a great technical knowledge of GT racing, this is my first year watching GT racing and only sporadically at that.

the one issue I have with it is having TC on the classic cars. You give me a Lancia Stratos... With TC, and it's turned on by default?

 

[Dimitri]

The issue is not that the tyre wear multiplier is high, it’s that there isn’t a similar pit stop multiplier. If a pit stop took 1 sec instead of 17, you would put instead of trying to squeeze a few more rounds out of worn down tyres.

 

[Pfei]

The issue is not that the tyre wear multiplier is high, it’s that there isn’t a similar pit stop multiplier. If a pit stop took 1 sec instead of 17, you would put instead of trying to squeeze a few more rounds out of worn down tyres.

If pit stops took one second you would have to move the start/finish line to pit road because we would be pitting every lap.

 

[Tym3z]

Anyone using Citroen for their Manu?

I thought they were good on tires and fuel so I am giving them a shot this season and so far have not seen any advantages from them. I am on a pad so I can see my tire conservation not being the greatest but fuel isn't the greatest either.

 

[MaxAttack]

Anyone using Citroen for their Manu?

God help you, sir. GT by Citroen gives me waking fever dreams...

...that ****ing windscreen

 

[Tym3z]

God help you, sir. GT by Citroen gives me waking fever dreams...

...that ****ing windscreen

The first time I had saw that radar/speedo inside the car I thought it was the coolest thing ever (I think this was in the GT 5)
I tried to use it for a bit at one point this season and hated it I don't know why I loved it so much when I was younger.

 

[OutlawQuadrnt]

Looks like you handled it pretty well tbh, nice driving I did the mighty pug in the exhibition season late last year, and it was tough work even at a lower level.

One thought, what TC are you running? You might want to do a race test with TC on 5 and then TC on 2 and TC on 0. Might be that having the TC set to a crazy level might work for race pace.

Obviously this strategy might not work at the upcoming tracks as they all have high speed corners, but might be worth a look.

Driving without TC is not feasible from a competitive standpoint. The torque steer is too much. Max TC made sense at RBR given all the time is gained with strong exits. TC 3 feels like a good balance at Brands along with gentle braking.

Normally, I wouldn't use TC but try driving the Pug with these crazy FIA settings without melting the fronts.

 

[sundaydriving]

Nations SF19 is one stop. TC might for once be useful in the race and maybe even quali.

Tyre rate is too damn high.

 

[HERE4BEER3]

I'm salivating at the idea of all the aliens now switching to using TCS.....Welcome to the darkside.

I'd definitely watch it an alien streamer did a little video to see what kind of effect TCS has on tire wear v/ overall lap times..... I may play around with it tonight on my Scirocco but I'm probably not consistent enough to come to any sort of conclusion.

 

[adokeeffe]

Today's tire preservation strategy for Brands Hatch:

 

[05XR8]

GT4 raced at Brands Hatch last weekend, but F1 race at Spain this weekend. Coincidence PD lined up SF with the same track?

 

[Dogwolf77]

I was thinking mediums on fronts were going to work at RBR but for me, the finishing time was a lot worse than pitting and attacking on softs. And by attacking, I mean driving around 80-85% because any more and the fronts will melt.

There was a part of me that chose Pug to be the guinea pig, the one fast guy silly enough to choose a car that has potential if not for its crippling flaw; tire wear. RBR should've been a track I could've won at. I even score the one in a million pole in top split. Alas, PD's decision to jack up the wear rates relegates me to scrap for points while just about everyone else has no stop as a viable option. How could anyone look at this and say, "This is ok?"

Watching the playback was like reliving my own experience to a T. The tire wear is insane. Brands may be equally difficult, I’m testing the wear in a lobby. Hard front and medium rear works well for starters. I’m also having the rear pick up most of the braking, which helps take some stress off the front. Fuel map on 2 is a thought.
On the bright side, group 3 is still an awesome car without the wear issues IMO. You and I picked the PUG with the same thought in mind. I’m still feeling very good about it. Group 4 is just rough.

 

[ntanygd760]

I know someone else said it earlier but the tire wear and fuel are set really well for race C. Tons of options but you can't just no stop without giving a ton of something up.

Cough cough FIA

 

[05XR8]

Today's tire preservation strategy for Brands Hatch:

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Looks like fun. I might get sucked in, as I'm watching GT4 qualifying at Thailand.

So many GT4 AMGs in this series(only 6 cars).

 

[adokeeffe]

Looks like fun. I might get sucked in, as I'm watching GT4 qualifying at Thailand.

So many GT4 AMGs in this series(only 6 cars).

I have noticed this, maybe everyone got sick of listening to the Porsche Cayman - sounds like a tumble dryer full of metal coat hangers. I have no idea how others are getting in the Top 10 with the SLS though, to me it's like power boating in a bathtub - there's just nowhere to go

 

[MortosDer]

Been practicing for nations. Managed a 26.8 in qualifying (there was a Japanese guy who put out a 25.6 lol).

total race time of 17.0 but I think I'll be closer to 17.10 on a real race.

Tc set on 2. Switch brake bias from -3 for the first corner and +3 for the last sector. I change it a couple more times in the middle sector.

Front left tyre suffers a lot. I get 5 laps out of softs. Going for a stop at the end of lap 5 and hope I get a good undercut.

Oh and automatic, no way I can manage all the above and shift gears on top of that LMAO. My brain would explode.

 

[05XR8]

I have noticed this, maybe everyone got sick of listening to the Porsche Cayman - sounds like a tumble dryer full of metal coat hangers. I have no idea how others are getting in the Top 10 with the SLS though, to me it's like power boating in a bathtub - there's just nowhere to go

The SLS is pretty much an MR(FMR) with its handling characteristics. Very composed without the MR characteristic of sliding on corner entry. Has high mid-corner speeds. One of my favorites.

I'm going with BMW. Recently, been spending lots of time with the M4. I've found it well balanced and pretty quick.

 

[05XR8]

I'm just going to run on RH tyres and see where this goes. Not going to make sense fighting mid-pack or at the back to see who can gather the most penalties during Lap 1.

Qualy done. I ran 6 laps on RH, Full fuel lasted 1.6 Laps left at the finish. Less than half worn front tyres. Starting 19th with a 1:32.911, 2.2 seconds from Pole.

M4, you are Superb!

The TT behind me, started last. It followed me all first stint and passed me before it pit.

I ran to lap 8, on RH, just over half worn fronts. 0.7 laps of fuel. No short shifting.
Exited pits in 14th. Quickly overtook 13th at T1. Didn't look at my lap times, just concentrated on not going off. One car pitted on lap 9 with 7% left in tank, which handed me 11th. Cars were going off at T1 and losing grip across the last lap. Grabbed 9th from the TT at the final left-hander.

Other than the 86 that ran me off the road onto the grass, giving me an orange arrow, the race was good. Look forward to watching the replay. Happy with my choice.

 

[Rangeraus]

Had my last qualifying lap (and legitimate chance of pole) at Brands ruined by someone who slowed down and weaved into Turn 1 right in front of me. They said it was 'casual driving' time as their hot lap was done with 30 seconds to go.

Especially given this was a player of some significance in a top split lobby I was not impressed.

A zero stop strategy with softs is the fastest strategy in the Alfa, but again, only if you don't get pushed off by the 1-stoppers. Which is exactly what happened... twice.

 

[BjoBosUndies]

I'm just going to run on RH tyres and see where this goes. Not going to make sense fighting mid-pack or at the back to see who can gather the most penalties during Lap 1.

Qualy done. I ran 6 laps on RH, Full fuel lasted 1.6 Laps left at the finish. Less than half worn front tyres. Starting 19th with a 1:32.911, 2.2 seconds from Pole.

M4, you are Superb!

The TT behind me, started last. It followed me all first stint and passed me before it pit.

I ran to lap 8, on RH, just over half worn fronts. 0.7 laps of fuel. No short shifting.
Exited pits in 14th. Quickly overtook 13th at T1. Didn't look at my lap times, just concentrated on not going off. One car pitted on lap 9 with 7% left in tank, which handed me 11th. Cars were going off at T1 and losing grip across the last lap. Grabbed 9th from the TT at the final left-hander.

Other than the 86 that ran me off the road onto the grass, giving me an orange arrow, the race was good. Look forward to watching the replay. Happy with my choice.

I had pole for the race on my second account. A selfish rejoin by a yellow
Merc ruined the race as he caused a chain reaction. I’m watching the replay now. He’s gone off 6 times in 5 laps. Just pull over and park it already.

 

[05XR8]

I had pole for the race on my second account. A selfish rejoin by a yellow
Merc ruined the race as he caused a chain reaction. I’m watching the replay now. He’s gone off 6 times in 5 laps. Just pull over and park it already.

Yeah, I believe I had a run in with that same player, at the last FIA race at RBR.

Edit: Heee's baaaaaack

Edit: Second bite of the cherry. Ran to lap 9. One lap too long, but wanted to see how far I could stretch it at full throttle.

 

[ShiftingGears]

Had my last qualifying lap (and legitimate chance of pole) at Brands ruined by someone who slowed down and weaved into Turn 1 right in front of me. They said it was 'casual driving' time as their hot lap was done with 30 seconds to go.

I would call what you described as straight up deliberate blocking.

 

[adokeeffe]

Well things certainly didn't go to plan in Super Formula. Qualifying was uneventful and everyone was on their best behaviour, save for a last minute collision between myself and ScenicGoldmine on the last lap. But I maintain that if they were heading for 14th and I was making a last minute grab for 3rd, they were in the way. Still, nothing wrong with 4th - that placed me right behind the front row of the grid. But Shanocv8r jumped the gun on the lights going out, and was delivered a starting penalty on the front row of the grid. And I went straight into the back of him. There's really not much room to move when you're trying to get off the line at maximum speed, and race cars aren't exactly known for their low speed manoeuvrability. And that was just the beginning of the carnage. The first lap saw dozens of collisions and shunts at just about every corner, the gloves had well and truely come off for all drivers in the race. And having fallen from 4th to 15th, I'm somewhat ashamed to say I contributed more than my fair share into the fray. The red mist descended as I fought back, going as high as 3rd place at one point, with just about every car ahead of me, well, in my way. I do apologise to anyone whose race I ruined as a result of my own selfish pig-headedness, shunting and nudging lower speed cars out of the way, and running others off the track. Much of which was largely in vain. You can't go from 15th back to 3rd without utterly destroying your tires, and I needed to pit twice just to have a chance at crossing the line. The end result was 5th, and a very cold reception in the lobby afterwards.

Dallara SF19 at Catalunya

• adokeeffe
• May 11, 2019

Incoming yellow Flag....

Manufacturer's Round was far less eventful, and just as hopeless as I'd feared. Qualified 9th and came 9th, after recovering from a spin out on the first corner on lap 1 (so much for open practice). The AMG SLS just doesn't drive like the cars I'm used to, it's V8 is just too lazy and low-revving, nothing seems to happen with any sense of urgency, and everything seems distant and disconnected. And smaller circuits like Brands Hatch seem to magnify this. I'd have much gathered a Renault RS.01, or Alfa 4C. Or my old Porsche....

 

[LeGeNd-1]

Tried no pitting for all 3 races tonight (see the Supra thread for recap on that one) with mixed results. Super Formula quali 6th but got nuked in turn 2 and dropped to last. Got a bit blocked by a backmarker in the first half but recovered in second half to finish 8th. Manu race, well, let's just say the Ferrari Gr.4 is hopeless. No pace at all arounds Brands and having to shortshift means I'm never in the rev range to make any power Started 15th and finished 12th. Damage limitation at its best lol.

I can honestly say that if you get everything right, no stopping is really the way to go with these high tyre wear races. It's more consistent, you don't get involved in battles (which slows you down and wears your tyres even more), and you basically just overtake people when they pit (zero risk). The key is to qualify high enough AND get through the first lap without getting divebombed by the stoppers who are trying to get past like their pants are on fire If someone passes you later with fresh tyres, chances are they just have that much more pace and deserve to finish ahead. Can't do anything about that (even if you go for a 1 stop, they'll also beat you on pure pace).

 

[ShiftingGears]

Quit the manufacturers race after making an idiot of myself after mirror watching. The tyre wear is just horrendous for a DS4 user, does not suit my driving style at all.

The first race of the top split of Nations Super Formula was interesting with the grid start. Some of the better drivers ended up towards the back after lap one due to getting lag-punted (I am giving benefit of the doubt)

On the topic of lag - the issue of lag in FIA races is mostly averted with the region split. But it becomes an issue when there are some racing under an Oceanian flag from halfway around the world.

 

[GT5Power]

@Tidgney You made some great points in your vid 👍 (I frequent your streams btw, ntinoskonsta here ). Tire wear I think nobody can disagree on. Even as someone with a single round of FIA experience under my belt, I can tell it's too much just by watching races and paying attention to the laptimes. "Trying to survive" is very accurate and it really hampers DS4 users like me.

My one race also made me understand the flaw in the points system. I decided to just race all three timeslots for my first time and my best result, 6th place, yielded 1698 points (based on my competitors and the lobby's DR range, it looked like third split, might be very wrong though), which was more than what Kie25 got for a midpack finish in top split. Obviously he drove better and faster than me and didn't get rewarded for it, not to mention the last place finisher in top split who got less points than a DR/D who finished 15th Personally, I'd go with base points. It's the easiest suggestion to implement and I don't see anything going fundamentally wrong.

The only one I'm torn on is the single entry. Although I definitely see where you're coming from, I think disconnections are simply too strong of an argument against abandoning unlimited race entries. It's not only the chance to get points that's lost, it's the hype as well They need to do something about disconnections first before re-implementing single entries in my opinion. I can imagine how frustrated someone can be when they DC, especially if they're fighting for a position at a live event.

Regardless, I really hope PD see this. I like to believe that they do listen, and now that the top players are at risk of being driven away I think they'll deal with it soon