FIA Race Discussion [Archive]

[Lost Sheltie]

08 gets off the line much better than the 16, so if you go with the 16 you will lose 2-3 places at the start. Apart from that they are both pretty even, but in the race I just did there was only 1 other 16 and everyone else was in the 08.

I ran RH for 2 laps, did 7 laps on the RM, and then did 2 stints to finish on the RS tyres. Probably would have worked if I had topped up the fuel, but since I didn't I had to run fuel mix 6 for the last lap and a half.

Started 13th after nearly killing myself on the sausage kerb, and then just tried to stay out of trouble for most of the race. Ended up 12th, but had about 7 cars within a few seconds of me just ahead so probably could have gotten amongst it if I had paid attention to the fuel.

 

[benjoi84]

Just raced the first slot in Nations (one-shot for me these days as i work nights).

I plumped for the newer GTR as I find it to be a lot more predictable especially on worn tyres. Managed a pretty poor 16th grid positon after a somewhat messy quali session. Battling in and around other cars to make sure I get a banker lap in before I go hard trying to improve it.

My strat was easy... 6 laps on each compound H-M-S filling up halfway on each stop to reduce pit time and stay with the pack.

Halfway through my third stint everything was going a bit too smoothly, I'd managed to avoid some serious snarl-ups during the first parts of the race and come out still breathing. Finding myself in 5th and looking to consolidate, as others were clearly struggling at whatever state their tyres were in.

Then it happened. Going around the 4-apex monster someone spun out of my field of vision and i came round and there was some slight door banging as i tried to avoid him, no bother. But the guy on my six had other ideas, I bounce off the first guys door and get pit-manouvred by the second as he tries uncleanly to take the inside. I spin off into the gravel and reenter the race back in 16th.

I convalesce that perhaps an incident with the same driver earlier in the race on the last corner (where our different tyre situations clearly made the final braking zone complicated, forced me to dodge him at the last moment and take the inside line, and he came across and hit me when turning in) maybe played on his mind and encouraged less than fair play, oh well.

Final position 12th and overall not unhappy with what was a great fun race, despite the real possibility of a better finish.

Would recommend.

 

[stpatty]

I've tried both in testing and the 08 is an awful car, so it'll be the new boy for me. I've not driven Gr.2 with a wheel yet, it should be disastrous. Can't wait.

 

[barak181]

I've not driven Gr.2 with a wheel yet, it should be disastrous. Can't wait.

Video clips requested.

 

[watto79]

Are there strategies for this race as well? Looks like RS/RH tires are available with hards required. Will it be a 2-stop with a quick stint on hards to get them out of the way, or a 1-stop?

Good question, Going to have to figure that out tonight when I get home from work for the Strategy. Seems like a regular ride the soft tires as long as you can than 1 stop for hards. But all depends how quick the stop is. Could possibly be a 2 stop depending on your car and Time lost in the pits.

With tyre wear at x12 this is looking like a 2 stopper for me. Softs seem unlikely to last long enough to make a 1 stopper viable (I could be wrong) and the mediums as always seem redundant. Pit loss time is around 8 seconds. Fuel isn't an issue.

I'm hoping that @pantherjag does a strategy guide as there could be a variety of strategies in play.

 

[Hygrade B]

With tyre wear at x12 this is looking like a 2 stopper for me. Softs seem unlikely to last long enough to make a 1 stopper viable (I could be wrong) and the mediums as always seem redundant. Pit loss time is around 8 seconds. Fuel isn't an issue.

I'm hoping that @pantherjag does a strategy guide as there could be a variety of strategies in play.

You Dragon race you rules say all three tyres.
Not just hards.
I started on H until lap 10 then did the rest 4lap M & S each with some fuel save & a top up just incase at the last tyre change because I could.

 

[CodeRedR51]

You Dragon race you rules say all three tyres.

They're talking about the Manufactures race.

 

[praiano63]

I'm racing FIA events in 3 regions since a good time. EU , south central america and north america.
I can say that EU races are easily the most non fairplay events from the 3.
2 races on gardens today . 1st lap extremely trash , no respect at all , horrible . Ridiculous.

 

[Winnie847]

For Nations, I was able to set a slightly faster qualy lap in the 16 GTR, but it's TERRIBLE at standing starts, like others have said. You WILL lose positions to the 08 models immediately. I feel like the tire wear and fuel consumption is pretty similar, but I can't say that for sure. The 08 model feels a little easier to handle around the 4-brothers (4 right-handers) and a couple other places on track....but overall I find them to have similar pace. 2016 GTR can brake a little later and feels a bit more twitchy, but the acceleration and top end of the 08 model makes up for it. As usual, since these cars are close in performance, I would say go with whatever car suits you the best, but be prepared to have to make up positions lost at the start if you choose 2016.

 

[GTWolverine]

View attachment 883686 Did today FIA @ Dragon. Took it easy in Q I know either way I would get blocked. I went for my normal out last & still on out lap I people where off track I guess the normal cold tyres or being helped.
I got P10 on hards less than my best time on hards
In race 1st corner everyone was hit each other I tried to get drop back from P4 so I would not get hit in the second but that was the same. Drop back to P18.
In the end I just relaxed plan my race since I was on hards & worked my way up even with a few hits.

My 1st race with no driving assist my test race.

We NEED more Of this type of Racing all three tyres high fuel but longer.

Watch your fuel level either turn down & save like I did or short shift.

In that 2nd image, the winner got a 20s penalty and STILL won the race by 19s?!

 

[Ashthebash]

One and only run at Nations. With little practice and less confidence!

Qualified ok, 1:22.6 putting me 8th, half a second of what I'd done in practice but when I entered I was hoping for a top ten so it'll do. Then in the race, got off the line well, kept out of trouble as much as I could, great pass into first hairpin, got up to 4th by the end of the first lap then it was all down to how my untested strategy was going to work!

In the one real practice I'd done, I tried to extend the stints on softs and mediums and was just way too slow. This time it was flat out, S(5)-M(6)-H(2)-S(5). And it was all going ok, out of sync with other pit stops and tyre compounds so I knew I wouldn't really know my position until I came out for my last stint. 6th, chasing down a Frenchman but the only car on fresh, fast tyres.

I made a move into the final corner on L15 which was neither here nor there, wasn't forceful enough to go past, too close to get a slingshot down the straight and although I had a slight overlap going into T1 I decided against risking a plane crash and backed out of it (in hindsight I should have just thrown it in there, new softs vs worn hards it would have probably worked). I had a couple of opportunities at this move as well as an attempt into the hairpin that I botched when I tried to go around the outside but should have really switched late to the inside. Anyway, the final run into T1, I wasn't as close as before, he made a mess of it, cost us both time and the guy in 7th who had been slowly gaining on the two of us was able to go past me as I struggled into the Esses. And that was that, 7th from 8th on the grid. But with the limited practice and untested strategy it wasn't a bad result at all, if I'd got past the Frenchman a top four finish would have been a real possibility, and the first lap was great!

 

[LVS_1986]

So todays Nations was good for me Gtr 08, started 9th finished 3rd, 100pts 7M/4S/7H fuel full on 1st stop

 

[Hygrade B]

They're talking about the Manufactures race.

I'll keep quiet

In that 2nd image, the winner got a 20s penalty and STILL won the race by 19s?!

Yep & wat makes it worst my lap times where better. If I had a good race I would be P1 P2 easy.

 

[stpatty]

Started 17th, got funnelled off at turn 1, finished 14th. Bumped up to 12th after penalties. I couldn't drive these cars with a controller, I seem to be worse with a wheel. I have no confidence in getting the power down or steering too violently without it spinning out on me, and that's with the TCS at 2. This is especially useless at a track like Gardens where you need to attack a lot of kerbs and make sure your corner exits are perfect. Oh well.

 

[Lost Sheltie]

Seems like it will be a 2 stop for manufacturers tomorrow. It is about 7-8 second pit loss and the softs are about 2 seconds a lap faster. Could be pretty close though.

 

[Famine]

I'm racing FIA events in 3 regions since a good time. EU , south central america and north america.
I can say that EU races are easily the most non fairplay events from the 3.
2 races on gardens today . 1st lap extremely trash , no respect at all , horrible . Ridiculous.

While I concur that recent FIA races have been absolutely mince, how much of your EU experience is down to the fact you're a full quarter of a second away from where everyone else thinks you are?


My probably only race at DTG tonight featured a Ukrainian driver just skittling everyone into the first chicane, an Italian and a German driver who spent the whole race just trying to kill each other, and a spectacular divebomb from a Spanish driver on a German where the former actually had to come from behind me just so he could hit the latter.

Staying out of trouble is a very good tactic, because people cannot control these cars. No-one has any patience either - they will take their line regardless of if there's another car there or not, and if you're slower through one corner (to be faster through the next; pretty useful at DTG), they're alongside you with no concept of the consequences at the next corner.

 

[Cherryturbo]

Have done the first 4 Nations races at D/S ............... lap 1 wreckfest at the first chicane in every race.

This is then followed by most passing moves, either by yourself or the other driver, being greeted by righteous indignation and a quick punt off at the earliest opportunity.

The tyre rule is basically being ignored by most drivers (85%+) with the result that if you do adhere to the rules you will lose track position. At my level, leader will lap me. If you are only doing 17 laps, the drivers in front (if not lapped) will still be able to absorb the 20s penalty and finish in front of you even though you may be less than 20s behind them on track at the point you finished.

I saw only one penalty despite constant barging and punting.

Felt like an arcade game, sadly.

 

[LLOYDZELITE69]

While I concur that recent FIA races have been absolutely mince, how much of your EU experience is down to the fact you're a full quarter of a second away from where everyone else thinks you are?


My probably only race at DTG tonight featured a Ukrainian driver just skittling everyone into the first chicane, an Italian and a German driver who spent the whole race just trying to kill each other, and a spectacular divebomb from a Spanish driver on a German where the former actually had to come from behind me just so he could hit the latter

Whoever takes their time to race in multiple different regions. Please don’t. You might be unaware but the 19 other people on the grid are looking at you twitch and act like a tornado all over the track, it’s horrific to watch once you get into top split when it happens. So please for FIA. Stay in your region, don’t ruin the night of everyone else. Just stay in your region, if not. You’re PSN Name will quickly start having a bad reputation. I know it’s not equivalent to the topic, but just had to say this.

 

[praiano63]

Whoever takes their time to race in multiple different regions. Please don’t. You might be unaware but the 19 other people on the grid are looking at you twitch and act like a tornado all over the track, it’s horrific to watch once you get into top split when it happens. So please for FIA. Stay in your region, don’t ruin the night of everyone else. Just stay in your region, if not. You’re PSN Name will quickly start having a bad reputation. I know it’s not equivalent to the topic, but just had to say this.

I have a 15 M optic fiber connection and it never have generated any lag , never. I race with friends in the room and they've never reported lag to me , like anybody else.
My signal is always green , rarely yellow .
So if you have a decent connection , there is absolutely no reason to not do it.

 

[timekiller001]

Wow, what a race. And I mean that in a positive way.
Did some practice yesterday but only for learning the track as I've never driven there. Came home 15 minutes before the 4th race started and entered. Quali was horrendous and I was on P16 with a 23.8 I believe. So I switched to hard tires. Gained some places in the first lap and went straight in after lap 2 to switch to mediums. Gained some more places and was aiming for the top 10 but unfortunately I was punted out. Lost several places. After 9 laps on the mediums I switched to the softs. 8 Laps to go. Gained some ground again and was close to P10, but ultimately finished P12. 125 points but lost 300 DR as I was car #4.

Did some practice before the last race which was good to learn the different tires a bit more.

In to the last race.

This time I was car #14... Did a decent quali lap (22.6) but only landed on P12. Damn. But this time I was committed to 6 laps on soft, 8 laps on medium and then 4 on hard.
Had a good start, was on P10 after turns 2 and 3 (the chicane). By the end of lap 1 I was on P8 as someone in front started on hard and pitted already.
After that I was able to overtake some people (I guess they had mediums) and gained places due to strategy. P4 on lap 6 and pit for mediums. Got out P8. Someone had binned it on the chicane so that quickly became P7. Gained some places due to strategy again and overtook 2 people. Before pitting in lap 14 I was P3 (although I knew others would get me once I pit). Came out P3 but directly in front of two people. The guy directly behind was on softs so he got me in turn 1. After struggling with grip for that lap I decided to let the guy behind me through as I thought he was on a quicker tire and I didn't want to lose too much time to the guy behind. Luckily the guy had cut the exit of the 4-apex-right and got himself a 0.5 penalty which allowed me through. Also luckily my hard tires got up to temperature and I was able to get away (my fastest time with the hard was only 0.1 secs slower than my fastest lap with softs but with fuel).

For me that was the best race in ages, at least in terms of improvement. When I started I expected nothing but it was very fun. Am uploading the footage so will post it soon.

 

[Winnie847]

I have a 15 M optic fiber connection and it never have generated any lag , never. I race with friends in the room and they've never reported lag to me , like anybody else.
My signal is always green , rarely yellow .
So if you have a decent connection , there is absolutely no reason to not do it.

I was right behind you at the end of the race at Interlagos on Sunday in NA region. No lag reported!

 

[Rangeraus]

I have a 15 M optic fiber connection and it never have generated any lag , never. I race with friends in the room and they've never reported lag to me , like anybody else.
My signal is always green , rarely yellow .
So if you have a decent connection , there is absolutely no reason to not do it.

For what it is worth, the rules state you can be banned for entering with multiple accounts... there is one reason you probably shouldn't do it.

Sure this is an exhibition season, but you were also doing this in the official 2019 season too.

https://www.gran-turismo.com/au/gtsport/fia2019/detail/

Multiple Accounts
If it is found that a competitor is participating through multiple PSN accounts, and/or is partaking in any activity that interferes with other competitors' races, said competitor may be disqualified from the Championships.

 

[Winnie847]

Lag is literally the only reason to care about people participating in other regions. Let's not pretend there's a legit reason outside of that. So if there's no lag, just mind your business and race is what I say.

 

[bloodyboyblue]

Lag is literally the only reason to care about people participating in other regions. Let's not pretend there's a legit reason outside of that. So if there's no lag, just mind your business and race is what I say.

In the exhibition seasons, yes. In the official seasons they take points away from people who are actually competing and can cause havoc to help their manufacturer teammates.

 

[afc5150]

So if you have a decent connection , there is absolutely no reason to not do it.

Yeah, other than, you know, not actually living there and potentially taking points away from someone who does. Absolutely no reason at all.

 

[timekiller001]

Wow, what a race. And I mean that in a positive way.
Did some practice yesterday but only for learning the track as I've never driven there. Came home 15 minutes before the 4th race started and entered. Quali was horrendous and I was on P16 with a 23.8 I believe. So I switched to hard tires. Gained some places in the first lap and went straight in after lap 2 to switch to mediums. Gained some more places and was aiming for the top 10 but unfortunately I was punted out. Lost several places. After 9 laps on the mediums I switched to the softs. 8 Laps to go. Gained some ground again and was close to P10, but ultimately finished P12. 125 points but lost 300 DR as I was car #4.

Did some practice before the last race which was good to learn the different tires a bit more.

In to the last race.

This time I was car #14... Did a decent quali lap (22.6) but only landed on P12. Damn. But this time I was committed to 6 laps on soft, 8 laps on medium and then 4 on hard.
Had a good start, was on P10 after turns 2 and 3 (the chicane). By the end of lap 1 I was on P8 as someone in front started on hard and pitted already.
After that I was able to overtake some people (I guess they had mediums) and gained places due to strategy. P4 on lap 6 and pit for mediums. Got out P8. Someone had binned it on the chicane so that quickly became P7. Gained some places due to strategy again and overtook 2 people. Before pitting in lap 14 I was P3 (although I knew others would get me once I pit). Came out P3 but directly in front of two people. The guy directly behind was on softs so he got me in turn 1. After struggling with grip for that lap I decided to let the guy behind me through as I thought he was on a quicker tire and I didn't want to lose too much time to the guy behind. Luckily the guy had cut the exit of the 4-apex-right and got himself a 0.5 penalty which allowed me through. Also luckily my hard tires got up to temperature and I was able to get away (my fastest time with the hard was only 0.1 secs slower than my fastest lap with softs but with fuel).

For me that was the best race in ages, at least in terms of improvement. When I started I expected nothing but it was very fun. Am uploading the footage so will post it soon.

There it is:

Includes qualifying, but race starts at 14:09.

 

[praiano63]

Yeah, other than, you know, not actually living there and potentially taking points away from someone who does. Absolutely no reason at all.

I'm french and i have a legal adress there.
I'm resident in brasil since 35 years where i live .
And i have an account in quebec who is not an elegible FIA province , i love canadian people , their spirit and their wonderfull country.
2 of my accounts at least are perfectly legal .
I don't see any problems.

 

[Winnie847]

taking points away from people = you losing a race to somebody, just like every other day.

one position = around 10 points, and you also have 4 other chances to get a better result.

just beat them in the race, or don't, but you're still racing against people playing the same game and they have the same opportunity to do well or fail just as you do.

outside of top split, or even outside of people who expect to qualify for a live event which is only a few people, it literally does not matter. the person occupying that spot can't make it to a live event anyway from another region so their scores don't matter and your points are relative to everyone else's points.

what a joke. being upset about this is a choice you're making and is of no benefit to anyone.

 

[bloodyboyblue]

I'm french and i have a legal adress there.
I'm resident in brasil since 35 years where i live .
And i have an account in quebec who is not an elegible FIA province , i love canadian people , their spirit and their wonderfull country.
2 of my accounts at least are perfectly legal .
I don't see any problems.

Until someone loses out on attending world tour by 100 points because they were beaten in one race by someone who shouldn’t have even been there. People racing in A+ splits in regions other than their own is utterly unacceptable and needs to be cause for suspending accounts. The definition of selfish and ignorant.

 

[Winnie847]

does anyone know of anybody competing outside of their own region who is good enough to beat the people in that region who are good enough to qualify for a live event?

in other words, are your concerns realistic at all or do you just want a reason to get upset with people for not following the rules that PD doesn't even enforce themselves?