FIA Race Discussion [Archive]

[OutlawQuadrnt]

Just noticed I started P4 for the last two combos. Could've won the first one if I knew how to run the cheater line.

 

[05XR8]

I'm going to miss out on using the Atenza in Nations right now. That car gets better as the tyres wear.

Anyway, Big Lex should be fine like last time.

Edit: Uh, heck naw!

Started on RH P19(qualy on RH). At the start, some made mistakes into T1. I moved up to about 11th, 12th or whatever. Pitted Lap1. The first set of RM were okay. I pit lap 6. Those suckers were wearing even with me burning fuel.

My last set was going off after 2 laps. An RSR was struggling and let me go after the final turn. I was just cruising to T1 with no threat for a pass. My tyres had no grip. I was taking it easy. Car just wouldn't pull up.

Next 3 laps were ridiculous. I was nearly tip-toeing to the finish. Something wasn't right.

 

[LotusEvoraGTE]

Qualified in 12th and ultimately ended in 3rd place... in a 10-12 year old GT1 car. The spirit of Nathan McKane has smiled upon me today.

 

[LeGeNd-1]

My last set was going off after 2 laps. An RSR was struggling and let me go after the final turn. I was just cruising to T1 with no threat for a pass. My tyres had no grip. I was taking it easy. Car just wouldn't pull up.

Next 3 laps were ridiculous. I was nearly tip-toeing to the finish. Something wasn't right.

I had something similar happen, but in practice. I always practice in arcade custom race (unless tyre wear >10x, which you can't do offline). The RMs were half worn after 5 laps and fastest lap was 1.48s. That's why I went for 4H/5M/5M strat. Then in the actual race itself the RMs were only a quarter worn after 5 laps despite me pushing harder and my laptime was in the 1.47s. Because I had already committed using the RH early, no choice but to follow through with the plan. Otherwise I could've stretched it out to 2H/6M/6M I think.

Very weird bug and I've never seen it before We'll see if more players experience this.

Qualified in 12th and ultimately ended in 3rd place... in a 10-12 year old GT1 car. The spirit of Nathan McKane has smiled upon me today.

LOL mate I was just using the exact same livery in the split above you Less exciting race though. Started 13th and finished 12th, got almost exactly double your points (140 ish).

Good work Team Ravenwest

 

[Roman_GT23]

I found in a practice race yesterday using the Atenza I started on RM. True the car does get better as the tires wear but then around lap 6 or 7 it falls off a cliff to the point RH were faster. Pitted for a set of RH and ran to the finish. I don't think a 1 lap RH and 2 stop for RM is beneficial in this scenario but that might be me?

 

[milehighmadd]

Bypassing Barca and focusing on Manu. On the 4C at least, 17m/11s seemed to work well. Odd thing I noticed is that refueling for the specified laps remaining in the race left me short, so the next go around, I added 2 additional laps than what was needed and that resulted in little to spare at the end.

 

[Adam Barber]

Race 1 down and it was a complete disaster in what felt like an E/B lobby instead of the A/S lobby. Got a 7 second penalty before T1 by getting hit into set the tone for the rest of the race. At least my next attempt might be easier?

 

[Lost Sheltie]

Just thought I would drop the video below in case anyone needed tips on how to start correctly.

Traction Control on 1. Press and hold the handbrake, rev the car. Release the handbrake when the lights go out. Smash into the car in front, spin, end up 13 seconds back from the leader


I finished 18 secs back at the end of the race, so pace was ok but could only move up to 16th (Started on Meds, did 6 laps and then swapped onto the hards).

 

[Winnie847]

Odd thing I noticed is that refueling for the specified laps remaining in the race left me short, so the next go around, I added 2 additional laps than what was needed and that resulted in little to spare at the end.

That's interesting, because the last time we used this track in FIA (that I remember) it was Gr.3 awhile ago, and I remember the exact same issue with the fuel. It was very repeatable and I remember practicing for the race with several A+ drivers who all reported the same thing. You needed to take something like 1.5 laps more fuel than the diamond indicator to finish the race. I'm not really sure if this is just the nature of the short track and slight differences in shift points throughout laps, or if it's an actual glitch.

The way I understand it, is that the indicator shows up at a level consistent with the amount of fuel you've already been using per lap. So if you've been aggressive with fuel use, it will say you need more. If you've been saving fuel, it will say you need less. This can mess people up because if they've been saving fuel for one stint, then want to push harder on the 2nd stint, they will need to add more fuel than what the indicator says in order to push. It could just be that the track is so short and the variance of fuel used per lap is all over the place....but I don't really know, that kind of seems like a stretch. Seems more likely that it's bugged since everybody has been seeing the same thing on this track.

 

[ivann]

Bypassing Barca and focusing on Manu. On the 4C at least, 17m/11s seemed to work well. Odd thing I noticed is that refueling for the specified laps remaining in the race left me short, so the next go around, I added 2 additional laps than what was needed and that resulted in little to spare at the end.

How about 9-9-10 soft tires?
Pit loss cant be huge over there

 

[milehighmadd]

How about 9-9-10 soft tires?
Pit loss cant be huge over there

Not sure with other cars, but my lap times on mediums are nearly identical to softs (was consistently getting 49.2-49.7 no matter which compound I was on with my worst lap being 50 flat). The 4C is naturally already quick as hell on this track while being able to break so late on both major corners that nothing much is gained, at least to me.

 

[RacingGrandpa]

After a disastrous first race in the Porsche I went for a second attempt in the Toyota as it's better on fuel, tyres and feels more agile in sector 2. Lap 1 didn't go to plan as I got collected by a spinning car that dropped me to plum last. Pitting on lap 9 for medium tyres managed to climb to P10 by the last lap. Got shoved wide at the exit of the chicane by some moron behind effectively leaving me finishing P13 at the end, still not a bad result considering the first lap and what was effectively a recovery race.

Race 1 down and it was a complete disaster in what felt like an E/B lobby instead of the A/S lobby. Got a 7 second penalty before T1 by getting hit into set the tone for the rest of the race. At least my next attempt might be easier?

If it wasn't for the A/S (I am in B/S) that could have been mine... Massive pileup at start and then again in t4. I was last. Finished last with a few sad incidents along the way (people on fresh tires who can't overtake, rams).
Better luck next time...

 

[roamingbard13]

The Jag is kinda rough on soft tires. I need to figure out how to get at least 12 laps out of them, but was getting uncomfortable after 10 last night. They’re about a half second per lap faster for me when they’re fresh than the mediums. I’m hoping to get a chance to try them second stint tonight. Maybe with less fuel in I’ll have better luck.

Short shifting gets me through the race without refueling. Shouldn’t be a big deal if I have a draft partner. Of course, that isn’t always guaranteed in DR B.

Edit: this is for manu, obviously

 

[Winnie847]

Not sure with other cars, but my lap times on mediums are nearly identical to softs (was consistently getting 49.2-49.7 no matter which compound I was on with my worst lap being 50 flat). The 4C is naturally already quick as hell on this track while being able to break so late on both major corners that nothing much is gained, at least to me.

If your lap times are the same with softs vs mediums, you're doing something wrong. You can probably brake even later or be more aggressive with turn-in and throttling out....not sure until I see some laps. Also, I haven't practiced this combo yet but I would think that you could stretch the softs for 14 laps and only pit once in the 4C.....but, haven't used that car since the recent BoP update, so tire wear may have gotten worse. Pit lane is kind of short though if I remember correctly, so it may be worth a 2nd stop, especially in cars that aren't OP on tires.

 

[roamingbard13]

If your lap times are the same with softs vs mediums, you're doing something wrong. You can probably brake even later or be more aggressive with turn-in and throttling out....not sure until I see some laps. Also, I haven't practiced this combo yet but I would think that you could stretch the softs for 14 laps and only pit once in the 4C.....but, haven't used that car since the recent BoP update, so tire wear may have gotten worse. Pit lane is kind of short though if I remember correctly, so it may be worth a 2nd stop, especially in cars that aren't OP on tires.

@Qyn did 14 lap stints on softs last night in the 86, and he was much better on fuel, too.

 

[praiano63]

I've changed myself in a real pinball , smashed around some aleatories bumpers. This during the whole lap every turns.
This was the first lap on catalunia circuit . I've quited imediately.
What a stupid idea Mr PD for the grid start.
CONGRATULATIONS.

 

[milehighmadd]

If your lap times are the same with softs vs mediums, you're doing something wrong. You can probably brake even later or be more aggressive with turn-in and throttling out....not sure until I see some laps. Also, I haven't practiced this combo yet but I would think that you could stretch the softs for 14 laps and only pit once in the 4C.....but, haven't used that car since the recent BoP update, so tire wear may have gotten worse. Pit lane is kind of short though if I remember correctly, so it may be worth a 2nd stop, especially in cars that aren't OP on tires.

Not sure what's going on with my times but I'm currently 1s off the qualifying FL. Test laps showed that I was doing something wrong in sector 1 while gaining time in sector 2 compared to qual splits.

Oh... just figured it out. BB in qual is -2 while race BB was set to +2. Do you think I should stick with qual BB and sacrifice tire wear? I did notice that BB at -2 made me lose 5 laps of use of the softs (7 vs 12 when set to +2). I suppose 5 laps * 2 second advantage per lap with proper BB would be worth the extra pit, right? Guess I have something to practice tonight.

 

[Hasnain282]

You know there's been chaos when 1st and last on the grid are 10th and 11th at the end of lap 1. Gotta love standing starts eh

 

[Adam Barber]

If it wasn't for the A/S (I am in B/S) that could have been mine... Massive pileup at start and then again in t4. I was last. Finished last with a few sad incidents along the way (people on fresh tires who can't overtake, rams).
Better luck next time...

Some people aren't doing it deliberately they're just new or not very good, others do it deliberately and just don't even try, they're the infuriating ones

 

[Famine]

That was as dumb as ****. Got taken out on the grid by a one-bar German in a Nissan GT-R, and it go no better. Three separate people tried nose-punts, and I think I lag-punted an Alfa (but since I was on five bars the whole time it wasn't my lag), despite braking early because... well, I was following an Alfa. Penultimate lap I had a Brit in a Subaru actually try to side-punt me off, after weaving about all the way down the straight (not slipstream-breaking weaving, just wobbling about like a fat lass enjoying a washing machine's spin cycle) in the first turn braking zone...

Just... stupid.


Afterwards I politely informed a different German guy that he was glitching all over the place, and had a one-bar connection. His response was "Are you stupid?".

Maybe, but I can count to ****ing one, numbnuts.

 

[Winnie847]

Not sure what's going on with my times but I'm currently 1s off the qualifying FL. Test laps showed that I was doing something wrong in sector 1 while gaining time in sector 2 compared to qual splits.

Oh... just figured it out. BB in qual is -2 while race BB was set to +2. Do you think I should stick with qual BB and sacrifice tire wear? I did notice that BB at -2 made me lose 5 laps of use of the softs (7 vs 12 when set to +2). I suppose 5 laps * 2 second advantage per lap with proper BB would be worth the extra pit, right? Guess I have something to practice tonight.

Ideally you would always set the brake balance to the point that gives you the most evenly distributed tire wear. For MR cars you usually want negative BB because the rears tend to wear faster. For FR cars you usually want it positive because the fronts wear faster. However there’s usually a point where you can go too far and it will cause you to slide too much in corners (+5), or create too much understeer when braking and turning in (-5). This also depends on your driving style, so different people may get different results. Just find out which BB gives you best all around wear, and use that. If that number is too extreme and affects the handling to the point of losing control and eating tires anyway, then change it by 1 then try again. Find a happy medium between even tire wear and good handling.

 

[milehighmadd]

Ideally you would always set the brake balance to the point that gives you the most evenly distributed tire wear. For MR cars you usually want negative BB because the rears tend to wear faster. For FR cars you usually want it positive because the fronts wear faster. However there’s usually a point where you can go too far and it will cause you to slide too much in corners (+5), or create too much understeer when braking and turning in (-5). This also depends on your driving style, so different people may get different results. Just find out which BB gives you best all around wear, and use that. If that number is too extreme and affects the handling to the point of losing control and eating tires anyway, then change it by 1 then try again. Find a happy medium between even tire wear and good handling.

In your experience, does adjusting tire wear race settings for optimum distribution lead to a lap time that is slower than qualifying time? Here I'm losing 1-1 5s/lap in race settings which seems significant. And I also noticed no difference in lap times with regards to fuel being full or otherwise.

 

[roamingbard13]

In your experience, does adjusting tire wear race settings for optimum distribution lead to a lap time that is slower than qualifying time? Here I'm losing 1-1 5s/lap in race settings which seems significant. And I also noticed no difference in lap times with regards to fuel being full or otherwise.

Your car has tires that are warm and no "fuel" in it during qualifying. You'll be a lot faster there. I'm an average DR B driver. My fastest lap with race conditions car was 48 flat (with softs). I spent most of the race in high 48s low 49s on medium tires last night over like 60ish laps.

I went to "free practice" mode after. In 2 laps, I ran a 48 flat with medium tires. Then I switched and ran a 47.5 with softs. I won't come close to that with race conditions (unless maybe I figure out the last 2 turns, haha).

Edit: This is all in the F-type, btw.

 

[milehighmadd]

Your car has tires that are warm and no "fuel" in it during qualifying. You'll be a lot faster there. I'm an average DR B driver. My fastest lap with race conditions car was 48 flat (with softs). I spent most of the race in high 48s low 49s on medium tires last night over like 60ish laps.

I went to "free practice" mode after. In 2 laps, I ran a 48 flat with medium tires. Then I switched and ran a 47.5 with softs. I won't come close to that with race conditions (unless maybe I figure out the last 2 turns, haha).

Edit: This is all in the F-type, btw.

Good to know, thanks. My qual times are nearly identical - 48.0 on med and 47.6 on softs (also mid B driver). Will def be setting up a practice lobby tonight since I have zero desire to test the waters in the nations race on a track I've never spent time on.

After doing so poorly last Sunday at Tokyo, I feel like Lago Maggiore in the 4C would be much needed redemption.

 

[Tidgney]

sstrreamminng for those interested. It's one of my favourite combos this! Last time I did this I overtook @TRL LIGHTNING round the outside twice haha! Not sure I'll be doing that tonight, but lets have some fun!



P.s. Sorry, not sorry lightning for reminding you again haha!

 

[CurbHog]

Feeling pretty fast in the McLaren so Im feeling good for Wednesday.
Tonight I will check out the new Andretti carting place that opened in town ...

 

[Famine]

Much, much better race - started from 5th, finished 4th on the road, 3rd after penalties.

Two bits of dumb - a Jaguar rear-ended me in the first stint in the braking zone on the back straight, punting me into a French Mercedes-AMG GT, which turned him around. Fast forward to my last set of tyres, and I came out of the pits behind... the same French AMG. And what did I do? Got caught out by his braking (on hards, I guess) at turn four and gave him a two second penalty as I divebombed him.


As it was my fault, I let him back past and then served the same two second penalty behind him, then gave him a few corners before overtaking him properly this time. I got overtaken while slowing, but I had the tyres and pitstop advantage to regain that place and then pass the car I had been aiming to pass anyway, on the last lap. My voluntary penalty had zero effect on my race - I was 10s down on the lead two - but even so it was a stupid-ass penalty and I'd have been raging at me if I was him. Or me. Whatever.

 

[Barters81]

Did some Manufacturers practice yesterday in the Mustang.

Tried a one stop (12S-16M) but it didn’t work out.

Had more success pitting twice and using softs all the way through.

Someone above mentioned that their mediums times are similar to softs here. In qual my soft times are much quicker, but in the race I’ve found if I’m saving tires and a little fuel, the difference between softs and mediums isn’t that great.

First stint on softs I can do mostly mid to late 47s pushing it. Maybe a couple 48s in the last laps. As soon as I start saving anything this drops into 48s.....similar times to two softs.

On Mediums I can do low 48s for ten laps, then it blows out a bit into the 49s....if I’m saving tires.

 

[CurbHog]

Did some Manufacturers practice yesterday in the Mustang.

Tried a one stop (12S-16M) but it didn’t work out.

Had more success pitting twice and using softs all the way through.

Someone above mentioned that their mediums times are similar to softs here. In qual my soft times are much quicker, but in the race I’ve found if I’m saving tires and a little fuel, the difference between softs and mediums isn’t that great.

First stint on softs I can do mostly mid to late 47s pushing it. Maybe a couple 48s in the last laps. As soon as I start saving anything this drops into 48s.....similar times to two softs.

On Mediums I can do low 48s for ten laps, then it blows out a bit into the 49s....if I’m saving tires.

Perhaps the strategy is to do two stops and split evenly between Soft/Medium/Soft
After like 9 laps you are perhaps lighter for the medium stint.

 

[Hasnain282]

Went with the Beetle for Nations as I needed to get used to the car for a league. Started and finished midpack though was only 7s off 5th I think it was in the end. T1 chaos and a mistake from me probably cost me a decent amount in the end so not the best result but an eventful race anyway.