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Suggestion for anyone DR A and under: pit. You'll make up a lot of time. I'm going again and hopefully won't die under pressure next time.

That might be the faster strategy, but I didn't pit. Started 10th, kept out of trouble and preserved by tyres, even dropping back a few places to avoid others that have poor positional sense. My suggestion would be to avoid getting into long battles early on in the race, and use what pace you have as others have let their tyres go off. I finished 5th. maybe the Toyota GT86 is also very good on its tyres?
 
Suggestion for anyone DR A and under: pit. You'll make up a lot of time. I'm going again and hopefully won't die under pressure next time.

Not really. Had two tries today, one lobby mixed DR A/B SR A(cause of yesterday Interlagos). I started 2nd but got punted in T1 and sent to the shadow realm. Then recovered from last until P7 but had to fuel save massively in the last 2 laps in FM3 and Fm4 to finish the race and lost 3 positions so finished in P10. At least got my SR back to 99...

2nd try again I started 2nd - lost 1 position at the start and then tried to stay with the front 2. After 5 laps I realised I have no chance to close the gap and I was having a 5s gap from P4 I decided to go a no risk approach and to keep the pace just enough so P4 does not get closer. Finished 3rd - upgraded my 99 points to 113. Lobby was high B(my DR was 25.7k at the beginning) and S SR.

In both races top3 was a no stopper. You just need to push smart - at the beginning or when there is a gap and be gentle on the throttle. Tyres will last till the end in the RCZ.
 
When should I pit?
I spun out on lap 9 and pitted then. I felt like I was fighting the car for at least two laps before that, so lap 7 or 8 depending on whether you're in traffic or if there's some clear space you can come out in. But...

That might be the faster strategy, but I didn't pit. Started 10th, kept out of trouble and preserved by tyres, even dropping back a few places to avoid others that have poor positional sense. My suggestion would be to avoid getting into long battles early on in the race, and use what pace you have as others have let their tyres go off. I finished 5th. maybe the Toyota GT86 is also very good on its tyres?
… I was fighting quite a lot in the opening stint. Plus they're slidey cars. Plus I'm not very good. Plus I'd done no practice with tyre wear on.

(I thought I posted this before the 5:20 race, sorry)
 
Love brand hatches but had no time to practice, jump in to the second last slot with 15 minutes and make a joke of myself. Burnt fuel in the introduction, didn't realise tyre save is required, and the breaking point once tyre is worn. 2 laps remaining when the 1 lap fuel warning is on and instantly turn fuel map to 3/4 to finish not last.

2nd try in a much weaker lobby is better. Qualified 2nd but got bumped to P6 after T1. Was 7th after making a mistake before gradually moved back to 4th. Have a battle with the 3rd on last 2 laps but just can't pass it and finished with 148 points and a drop of 400 DR.
 
Can I assume there's no point in picking anything other than the RCZ for tonight? I even got given one today for my birthday car (a week late) so I'm pretty sure I shouldn't be in anything else anyway
The 86 was good. I could see those RCZs struggling. Had I not been hit, I would have been up there with that Focus. I'd say the Focus is an alternative. I started behind it and followed it, as it was picking off RCZs.
As some players went off on their own, they'd come back right when I was going to grab a spot.

I stayed with a 30:70 torque split until the final few laps. Switched to 25:75. The closer I switched to 50:50, the more understeer Ii was getting. So, just used the more grip from the rear tyres.
 
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"Boy I sure got lucky there with qualifying, just a bit slower and I could have been miles down the order!"

 
The 86 was good. I could see those RCZs struggling. Had I not been hit, I would have been up there with that Focus. I'd say the Focus is an alternative. I started behind it and followed it, as it was picking off RCZs.
As some players went off on their own, they'd come back right when I was going to grab a spot.

I stayed with a 30:70 torque split until the final few laps. Switched to 25:75. The closer I switched to 50:50, the more understeer Ii was getting. So, just used the more grip from the rear tyres.
I wouldn't recommend the Focus. I went 0.4s quicker on my best practice lap with the RCZ, and in the test races I did yesterday, the Focus was worse on tires and fuel (required much heavier fuel saving towards the end than the RCZ did).
 
After watching that I have no regrets for skipping this round. Flipping heck.
The start in my first race was fine. This one was a shambles, and I can't figure out why. It looked like 2nd lagged and didn't start, 3rd jumped the start but didn't get a penalty, then hilarity ensued behind them. I might try and qualify on the right of the grid next time, see if that helps.
 
I wouldn't recommend the Focus. I went 0.4s quicker on my best practice lap with the RCZ, and in the test races I did yesterday, the Focus was worse on tires and fuel (required much heavier fuel saving towards the end than the RCZ did).
Many of these races depend on which cars people are comfortable with and who they have around them. Though the RCZ may be the META, many still struggled with it. The Focus may seem weak in some areas, but some may adjust to it better than RCZ. Thats why I looked at it as an alternative.

I only used the 86 because I have one and didn't want to use my S1. Maybe I could have done better in the RCZ, but it was a personal choice to run a different car, than what everyone was running. I'd recommend run what they're comfortable with, if they are asking an alternative to a META.
 
I forgot I was down to AA. Now it's AB, because that was pure douchecanoeing - picked up five SR downs in the first lap from ****wits, then got hit into the end of the pit wall in Paddock Hill, the runoff in Druids, and then into McLaren in Surtees, ending up 20th.

Set the fifth fastest lap and carved through to 11th in the end, but file this one under "idiots who have no idea what they're doing driving cars they never drive and using everything but the brakes as brakes".
 
Two visits to the Gr.B warzone meeting tonight:

16:00
Felt the Peugeot was better than the Focus I planned to use, so initially entered the 16:00 Nations with it alongside @T_revisio. Out of the entries in that lobby, only two were from the non-Peugeot camp - a WRX and a Quattro.

Followed the slipstream of an Austrian in qualifying to set a 1:31.667 on my first go, though I lost a lot of time on my second for various reasons. Went across the grass at Westfield as a Frenchman passed by on a faster lap, but felt happy with the way the Peugeot was working. Time was still fast enough for 9th on the grid.

Usual Gr. B carnage ensued. Dropped to 19th in the first two laps after running wide at Druids, getting rammed twice by a German Pug at Graham Hill Bend and following another off the road at Surtees. It took me a while to get a consistent groove in the Peugeot without sliding or touching the grass, but by Lap 7 I had begun to find more pace and was closing in on a trio fighting for 14th. As I already fell so far behind at that point, I contemplated taking on new tyres, which I did on Lap 8 after setting a 1:31.998 and seeing the Quattro pit in front of me. Sure enough, I start catching up to the trio again, taking 16th after one bins it at Paddock Hill Bend.

Caught up to the Quattro and followed him until he drifted off at Sheen, setting up a good opportunity to reel in what is now a quartet for 11th including T_revisio. In trying to lunge past the German, another British Pug punts T_revisio at Paddock Hill and seemingly moves out of the way on entry into Druids. I thought at that moment I had an opportunity to pass on the inside, but ended up going partway across the inside kerb as said Brit turned sharply and cut across my front end. Not sure whether he saw me coming up on the inside, but I was lucky to avoid contact at that moment. During the final lap, the German who punted me outbrakes himself at Paddock Hill, the Quattro accidentally runs into the back of me at Druids and the Italian goes wide at Clark Curve. The result is that I end up following T_revisio home in 13th for a provisional score of 144 points.

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In the lobby chat afterwards, the Quattro driver apologised for the last lap contact, though I can't remember whether the German driver did the same. To be fair, though, I felt partly to blame for the former, as I was focused on keeping a clear distance behind T_revisio and didn't notice the faster Quattro until I had committed to the inside line. A chaotic start, but considering that I hadn't done a full practice run in the Peugeot, a good primer for a potentially better attempt later on.

18:40
Reunited with T_revisio and the Quattro driver, who by that point was the sole remaining non-Peugeot runner. Without the benefits of slipstream, I could only put in a 1:32.173 in qualifying, which to my surprise was good enough for 9th again. Like last time, I binned it at Westfield on my second go, but wasn't lucky enough to get away without a track limits penalty.

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Also like last time, I didn't get through the first lap without incident. At Paddock Hill Bend, a pink car runs into the back of T_revisio, setting off a chain reaction that causes someone to ram and lift my car's rear wheels off the track. Though I recover, the second-placed starter rejoins in front of me, and I lose several places by deciding not to drive through his ghost. I instinctively thought that if I were to do that, there was a good chance that he would unghost through me and cause more problems for the sweeping pack. Then, through my own carelessness, I turn into the Finnish driver on my right, picking up a 1-second penalty on the spot.

Another less-than-ideal start, but the usual mix of incidents, penalties and hold-ups ensured that I soon started catching up with the pack. This time, I found much more consistent pace, setting a few mid-to-high 1:32s while a group for 13th place bunched each other up. On Lap 6, a rough Italian driver running in 8th re-joins at full speed after careering off from Surtees to Narnia. I head to the inside towards Pilgrims Drop, squeezing into 17th despite getting slight contact which forces me part-way onto the grass. Thankfully, I escape without penalties as we get closer to the half-way mark.

Though the chance of getting a decent result was again getting slimmer by the minute, I knew that my tyres and fuel were in very good shape. More punts, more penalties ahead promoted me to 13th with five laps to go, and soon enough the Stealth Pug is in a train for 10th. For much of this race, I chose not to fight too hard for track position, and was willing to drop a few places when a Spaniard dived down the inside of me at Surtees on Lap 13. All that mattered to me was getting the Pug home without more incidents. Just before the final lap, two cars take each other out at Clark Curve, paving the way for me to follow the survivors round in 13th once more. Inexplicably, the Austrian driver pulls off a handbrake turn over the line, though I was a touch too far back to capitalise on his victory stunt.

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For the record, I spent so much of that race short-shifting that I had 17% fuel in the tank by the end. It was also a pleasant surprise to find that despite dealing with a small DR drop and a much worse start, I ended up losing only two points from my initial score. And so concluded tonight's efforts. Felt really pleased with the consistency I had in the second encounter, even if any chances of a top 10 finish were wiped out early on both times. Really glad to see @Tidgney enjoying some clean battles on his stream; if only more Gr.B lobbies were like that...
 
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Nations Round 3
I see I'm not the only one who found this a tough one. First time out in the Group B cars other than the driving school and challenges, and I can't say it's a combo I felt comfortable with. I ended up in the Focus because the RCZ felt too twitchy for my liking, but even that was rough.

Qualifying was difficult and compromised almost immediately. Why don't people leave a gap to the car in front as they are approaching the last bend on their outlap? I did that for the car in front only to then immediately get the Italian behind all over my rear bumper because he couldn't wait the extra second or two. :odd:

I started P19, but the start of the race was madness. A Spaniard further up the grid caused a collision almost immediately which led to two cars directly in front of me going sideways into the wall. Thankfully unlike at Dragon Trail where I got penalised for contact with someone who had lost control, the game ghosted them or didn't award penalties for the unavoidable contact. 👍 Just seconds later he sent a few other cars off at turn 1. :boggled:

I hadn't had enough time to test pit strategies but had a suspicion people may go for no-stopping and was glad to learn that was correct as it earned me a few positions. Those tyres on the last 3-4 laps though, so difficult to drive on! :scared:

I got pushed off slightly near the end of the last lap by an Italian (different one) who had qualified well but slid back through the grid during the race. I don't know if that was from errors or by pitting. Karma quickly kicked in though as he got blocked by a Portuguese driver who ran out of fuel right at the end, allowing me to take back the position and more right before the line. :lol:

I finished P12 on the line and in the results screen whilst in auto-drive, but the game then said P11 immediately afterwards. :confused:
Viewing the video back it looks like P2 vanished after finishing the race! :boggled:

End result P11 for 92 points. Not the kind of result I was aiming for but I can't see this round going any better. Just not my thing!

 
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I swore I’d never do another race in a Group B on sports tyres again after the “Disaster at Sardegna C” But I gave it a go

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I was leading for a while but I realised I needed to save some fuel, he caught me but I fought back. It was so close on the line. A great race, looking forward to tomorrow’s low grip shenanigans at red bull ring:D
 
Two visits to the Gr.B warzone meeting tonight:

16:00

Felt the Peugeot was better than the Focus I planned to use, so initially entered the 16:00 Nations with it alongside @T_revisio. Out of the entries in that lobby, only two were from the non-Peugeot camp - a WRX and a Quattro.

Followed the slipstream of an Austrian in qualifying to set a 1:31.667 on my first go, though I lost a lot of time on my second for various reasons. Went across the grass at Westfield as a Frenchman passed by on a faster lap, but felt happy with the way the Peugeot was working. Time was still fast enough for 9th on the grid.

Usual Gr. B carnage ensued. Dropped to 19th in the first two laps after running wide at Druids, getting rammed twice by a German Pug at Graham Hill Bend and following another off the road at Surtees. It took me a while to get a consistent groove in the Peugeot without sliding or touching the grass, but by Lap 7 I had begun to find more pace and was closing in on a trio fighting for 14th. As I already fell so far behind at that point, I contemplated taking on new tyres, which I did on Lap 8 after setting a 1:31.998 and seeing the Quattro pit in front of me. Sure enough, I start catching up to the trio again, taking 16th after one bins it at Paddock Hill Bend.

Caught up to the Quattro and followed him until he drifted off at Sheen, setting up a good opportunity to reel in what is now a quartet for 11th including T_revisio. In trying to lunge past the German, another British Pug punts T_revisio at Paddock Hill and seemingly moves out of the way on entry into Druids. I thought at that moment I had an opportunity to pass on the inside, but ended up going partway across the inside kerb as said Brit turned sharply and cut across my front end. Not sure whether he saw me coming up on the inside, but I was lucky to avoid contact at that moment. During the final lap, the German who punted me outbrakes himself at Paddock Hill, the Quattro accidentally runs into the back of me at Druids and the Italian goes wide at Clark Curve. The result is that I end up following T_revisio home in 13th for a provisional score of 144 points.

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In the lobby chat afterwards, the Quattro driver apologised for the last lap contact, though I can't remember whether the German driver did the same. To be fair, though, I felt partly to blame for the former, as I was focused on keeping a clear distance behind T_revisio and didn't notice the faster Quattro until I had committed to the inside line. A chaotic start, but considering that I hadn't done a full practice run in the Peugeot, a good primer for a potentially better attempt later on.

I believe the German you're talking about is me. If it is, sorry! I believe I remember the incident that you meant at Graham Hill Bend (yes, I had to look up the corner names :-D )
I braked a bit later than you, hence the first contact, but that caused the well-known ping pong effect and since there was a car right behind me I hit you a second time. But since there was a lot more and worse things happening I had completely forgotten about it by the end of the race. There was a Polish driver in the same race that was very dirty and has ruined my race in some ways.
With the brake bias and torque settings I had my front left tire was dead in the middle of lap 14 and I had a lot of problems to keep it on the road until the end.
 
I believe the German you're talking about is me. If it is, sorry! I believe I remember the incident that you meant at Graham Hill Bend (yes, I had to look up the corner names :-D )
I braked a bit later than you, hence the first contact, but that caused the well-known ping pong effect and since there was a car right behind me I hit you a second time. But since there was a lot more and worse things happening I had completely forgotten about it by the end of the race. There was a Polish driver in the same race that was very dirty and has ruined my race in some ways.
With the brake bias and torque settings I had my front left tire was dead in the middle of lap 14 and I had a lot of problems to keep it on the road until the end.
Apology accepted. 👍
 
Nations Cup - GR. B at Brands Hatch, North America slot 1, A/S lobby

My fourth ever FIA pole position (and only 36th overall in 2,738 sport mode races) with a 1:33:031 in the Peugeot.

Made a great start and lead the first 6 laps, by as much as 2 seconds at times. Backed off a little to save some fuel for the end, and I guess 3rd place thought that was the opportunity to scream into turn one and use me as the buffer to make the turn. I got a 1 second penalty for my efforts but thankfully kept it on the track.

Served my penalty and was now in 5th with 7 laps to go. Maintained a great pace, and picked off 4th, then 3rd...then 2nd spunn off at the last turn...

The last 3 laps were back and forth between another Peugeot and me, but I ultimately could not get the comeback done, and came home 2nd, 0.767 behind..

Probably won't go again as 156 points displaces the 147 I earned in round 1.

Door #12. Gained 1,300 DR to 34,463, and LOST 1 SR down to 98 lol :D

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Last week I was slightly annoyed that I didn't get over 200 points in the kart race, as I felt that was going to be one of my best chances to do so.

This week after setting a practice time that was less than 1s off of the top time in North America, I thought I might have enough pace to try for 200 again...
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This was the first time I'd ever raced Gr. B in Sport Mode, ever. I put the car on pole by 0.025s, and led from start to finish for only my 2nd DR A Sport Mode win ever, and my first such win on a road course (the other win was of course at BMB). I'd pulled a gap of over 3s for several laps before 2nd place began to reel me in as their tires were in better condition. On the penultimate lap, their controller shut off and they dropped back a bit, but they were on my bumper going into the final corner. I ran out of fuel just before the line and got a slight push going over the line. If their controller hadn't quit, I'm not sure I'd have been able to hold on for the win. Oh, and I finally got over 200 points for the first time ever*!

I used to hate Brands Hatch, as I was never quick around here, despite it being a track with all the characteristics I enjoy (namely, fast and flowing). Lately it's been giving me some of my best results!

*Under this current points system.
 
My first race has already been covered and since it was a pretty horrible race for me, I have nothing to add.
But I went again in 4th slot.
The first race I qualified 12th with a 1:32.0, this time it was P3 with a 1:31.5. A lot better.
After a short period of almost two minutes with the white "Race" screen and me thinking the connection is gone, we got away cleanly.
I turned both the brake bias and torque back one step each to ensure my front tires will last longer and it did. No problems with them this time.
Pretty much throughout the race it was very clean racing with several others. There was the odd contact here and there, but nothing bad and given the slippery tires nothing unexpected either. Got home in P5 :-) Got 241 points, which is my 2nd best result this season so far (got 248 for the karting race)

 
After two unsuccessful attempts, I had finished 5th in my third attempt in today's Nations Cup race.
 
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I forgot I was down to AA. Now it's AB, because that was pure douchecanoeing - picked up five SR downs in the first lap from ****wits, then got hit into the end of the pit wall in Paddock Hill, the runoff in Druids, and then into McLaren in Surtees, ending up 20th.

Set the fifth fastest lap and carved through to 11th in the end, but file this one under "idiots who have no idea what they're doing driving cars they never drive and using everything but the brakes as brakes".
After 8years on here, me thinks people are paying you back, for editing their multi posts all those years. ;)
 
A highly frustrating night for me after abandoning the Pug RCZ for something I could actually drive round a corner. I fuel-saved in each race.

Nations EMEA

Slot 1

Trying out the Pug since it was the car of choice, bad idea! I started in P17 (Door 20) after a messy qualifying, and was dead last after oversteering into the gravel at Turn 1. I started Lap 2 in P17 and then defended P16 from a French RCZ for a lap before dropping back again. Catching him again on Lap 6, we battled back and forth, with an Italian RCZ behind (with a 1 bar connection). Ultimately, that Italian car literally jumping all over the place was to ruin the race as I dropped back from the French car from a combination of distraction and fear of a contact penalty with the 1 bar car.
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Warning: the in-car view could make you nauseous!:


Ultimately, I spun off on Lap 7 but rejoined the battle with the French car the following lap. A tiny oversteer led to a 0.5s cutting penalty (harsh!) but I was soon up with the French RCZ and a recently pitted Finn who pulled away from us. I took P15 on Lap 9 when he pitted, finally finishing P13 on a no-stopper for 35 points and just that small penalty preventing a CRB.
Highlights of the battle with the French RCZ:


Slot 3

Dropping the RCZ for the Toyota (Door 19), I qualified P13 with an over-ambitious move by a German RCZ on my first qually lap taking us both out, and my second lap being 1:34.929.
Another harsh penalty (1s) came at the start as an Audi oversteered slightly into my side and yet he stayed on track and I lost a place! I then tried too hard to get back and bumped him off at the hairpin for another 1s. P12 after serving that. Then a Spaniard in an RCZ was nudged into me by a recovering Ford on his left at the hairpin on Lap 2, and he decided to take it out on me instead, pushing me off track at the bottom of the hill. He'd spun me down to P17/18.

On Lap 8 , I was up to P6, mainly due to pit stops and offs by others. I pitted myself and was out in P10/15. I was harried by a German Focus from Lap 11 but defended by taking corners as tight as I could to only give him an outside option. P8. But he'd had enough on Lap 12 and braked late to punt me round and into the gravel, down to P12. I finished 2 places higher but was promoted to P9 when the P3 Italian Mitsubishi oddly disappeared 33 seconds after crossing the line! 45 points.
That battle with the Focus, and its dubious end:


Enough was enough, and I decided to try my luck over the pond...
 
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