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The Z4 wasn't as bad as I thought it would be going into last nights race. I never drove the Z4 before the update, but it's a good little car that I think needs a tad more power.

Below is the RBR race from my perspective. I got lucky with some openings in traffic and some other folks getting penalties and made it up to 4th, then immediately gave myself a track limits penalty. :dunce: Truthfully, I wouldn't have been able to keep 4th for the rest of the race anyway, the speed wasn't there in the long straights. In the end I got 6th from starting 10th in the 2nd split and called it a night.

Enjoy!

 
Have concluded that if you get 1 clean race out of 3, where you earn your just results, without being punted or barged off course, you're lucky.

FIA Manufacturers Series Round 2 at RBR:

Started 4th, got a decent qualifying lap in, even when held up a bit in S1. Pleasantly surprised to realize it was a rolling start, with that hard T1... which I got through cleanly. Blew threw T2 on cold tires, but so did everyone else... looking good, but no, this dirty pig in a Toyota tapped and ran me off at Turn 3:



Knocked well back into the pack ...to be abused in the T5/T6 complex by this idiot in the Lexus, who determined that the nearly two cars' width I allowed him wasn't good enough, then get caught by the MB driver's mistake because of that.



Recovered those two maulings, from nearly last place to 8th, which felt like moral victory but didn't pay enough points to increase my standing. So, wasted hour.

The MB driver did apologize, which I appreciate. His was a mistake that just caught me out, it was the Lexus that was being a bad sport.



And in case there was any doubt about the Toyota driver's methods, he bragged in the lobby of the next race (yeah, I was matched with him again 🤬) "dirty driving is an art". Should be banned from these events like he proclaims on his stupid livery. And a quick look at his SR history... yep, there it is. Typical dirty driver that has a dirty rating, cleans it up for one day and is matched with good clean guys that maintain a 99, all the same. (his average is 75-80 the last 50 days playing... that' not good at all)



So, try again? Qualified 7th this time, held up again in qualifying. Made it through T1 and T2 again, only to have reality set in on the run of the hill after T2. One of the leaders blew it, and then came back onto the track, and I was caught up in the mess. I don't know what else I could have done. Nothing probably. Race ruined.



Worth noting, that's the MB driver that ruined my race last time, who is caught up in the end of this... I felt bad, but I was a passenger at that point, and nothing I could have done to avoid him.

Recovered to place 10th, after being nearly last again, held up by a dirty Vette and Porsche both, who blocked me until I lost the slipstream train that I had worked so hard to reach again after the first lap garbage. Another wasted hour.

Did go on to run an 'uneventful' third race, placing 6th, but started 9th thanks to my slipstream partner binning it in T1 before we ever ran a hot lap, leaving me high and dry and then eventually losing the slipstream in the race, to cruise home without drama, and without any more points than I earned in Round 1 at Suzuka. I should feel grateful for the relative boring race, but I am still bummed that my better opportunities to earn a podium were ruined by the garbage drivers in these lobbies.
 
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Now that Kie has announced he signed with Ford I doubt I will keep a very high placement.
But being 136th after just one race is nice :)
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chuyler1
SR-A and below racing at RBR is just horrible. Normally I have an SR-S rating but some altercations at Spa the previous night dropped me down.
  • Battles - The braking points for T1 and T3 are so precise that drivers will lose 1-2 seconds trying to make a pass stick. Which means if another driver is 2 seconds back, uses their braking point, they fly into the corner and turn it into a bowling strike. I've been on both ends of this to the point where I just don't try anything on T1 when in a pack.
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I was surprised by how much time you could lose at such a slow hairpin like Turn 3 just by having to give people space. I also accidentally divebombed someone into Turn 1 when I was quite far behind them, so I thought I wouldn't have to brake earlier like I would have to if I was right behind them. But they had to slow down early due to being at the rear of a 3-car train into Turn 1, so I was forced to send it up the inside and hope I didn't punt them off track, rather than just drive straight into the back of them and definitely send them off track. Fortunately, while there was contact, they didn't get the stupid "it's your fault for getting divebombed" penalty, and I didn't force them off track, so we went side-by-side on the run to Turn 3, and they actually defended their position around the outside after that.
 
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SpecMiata-JSW
The Z4 wasn't as bad as I thought it would be going into last nights race. I never drove the Z4 before the update, but it's a good little car that I think needs a tad more power.

Below is the RBR race from my perspective. I got lucky with some openings in traffic and some other folks getting penalties and made it up to 4th, then immediately gave myself a track limits penalty. :dunce: Truthfully, I wouldn't have been able to keep 4th for the rest of the race anyway, the speed wasn't there in the long straights. In the end I got 6th from starting 10th in the 2nd split and called it a night.

Enjoy!

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Good stuff... you have a spotter there helping? Those are the kind of clean and consistent races I'm looking forward to enjoying someday. I see you are a racer IRL as well, I'm sure that helps. And your K' speed and DR/SR history are as good as any I've seen- impressive! That SR is particularly clean... that's awesome. I also have tried to keep mine pinned to 99, if I have it damaged by the customary BS that happens in the B level lobbies, I won't quit til I restore it again, when possible. Have to limit the Dailies though, in order to keep it clean. Good luck rest of FIA season.
 
Started 10th and finished 5th. I would always avoid hard tire races with this car but they didn't feels as bad after the update but I still hate it lol. Really yields the momentum on Red Bull as I have to be real clean with my cornering speed as I lose on the straights to faster cars like the GTR. Got lucky on the last lap as a few of cars ahead fighting each other had offs and penalties.
 
Pigems
I’d rather keep up/make a pass because I earned it, rather than because of the OP slipstream. :)
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Hopefully my previous post wasn't misinterpreted by people. I'd never advocate for the previous slipstream model to make a reappearance. It was way, way too strong.

What I'd argue though is that the amount they've reduced it to now, while being far more realistic, is less likely to promote intense racing or good driving standards because of how short the races are that GT Sport provides. If FIA race length was doubled I could see this being less of a problem.
 
I’m thinking for this Saturday’s Gr.2 race at Catalunya, I was gonna start on softs, and see how long I can last on them, then move onto mediums and do the same, then eventually pit for hards on one of the last laps if the mediums last that long. Thoughts?
 
MIE1992
I’m thinking for this Saturday’s Gr.2 race at Catalunya, I was gonna start on softs, and see how long I can last on them, then move onto mediums and do the same, then eventually pit for hards on one of the last laps if the mediums last that long. Thoughts?
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I haven't done any tyre wear runs yet but a double stint on softs to reduce the amount of laps on mediums and hards might be a thing. I don't even know what the pit loss time is yet but will be testing tomorrow.
 
KosmoKazi
Good stuff... you have a spotter there helping? Those are the kind of clean and consistent races I'm looking forward to enjoying someday. I see you are a racer IRL as well, I'm sure that helps. And your K' speed and DR/SR history are as good as any I've seen- impressive! That SR is particularly clean... that's awesome. I also have tried to keep mine pinned to 99, if I have it damaged by the customary BS that happens in the B level lobbies, I won't quit til I restore it again, when possible. Have to limit the Dailies though, in order to keep it clean. Good luck rest of FIA season.
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Thanks man! I try to race clean even if it means I don't finish as high up as I want too, it's just who I am. It looks like you're doing a great job with you SR, keep it up! :cheers:
 
roamingbard13
Racing was pretty miserable tonight overall. A couple of crappy finishes, the first one my doing, the second with help from some friends.

I did have the pleasure of sharing the track with @CurbHog for both races, and he is a master of clean defending. Try not to let him in front of you!
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Well thank you ! Hiortintexas Racing shout out. Yes it was miserable. I thought perhaps I was a bit rough here and there but Im glad you enjoyed being behind me :cheers:
I will do a video of the last race in all its misery.
 
watto79
I haven't done any tyre wear runs yet but a double stint on softs to reduce the amount of laps on mediums and hards might be a thing. I don't even know what the pit loss time is yet but will be testing tomorrow.
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Here's what my softs looked like after a six lap stint in the '08 GTR

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Don't think anyone (in that car at least) will be on them for long!

Edit: pit loss in the lobby was about 5s, if you're at the front it might be worth doing 5-5-5-3-1 and trying to run and hide
 
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watto79
I haven't done any tyre wear runs yet but a double stint on softs to reduce the amount of laps on mediums and hards might be a thing. I don't even know what the pit loss time is yet but will be testing tomorrow.
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If the pit stop losses are the same as they've been before, I'm seriously tempted to do three 5-lap stints on Softs, and run the other 2 compounds on the remaining 3 laps. It's probably too absurd to be a viable strategy, but that's what testing is for, right?
 
Ashthebash
Here's what my softs looked like after a six lap stint in the '08 GTR

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Don't think anyone (in that car at least) will be on them for long!

Edit: pit loss in the lobby was about 5s, if you're at the front it might be worth doing 5-5-5-3-1 and trying to run and hide
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Idk about you, but I consider saving an extra 5 seconds to be a lot if it means pitting less. How long do mediums and hards last? I’m not sure if you save enough time driving on softs versus mediums/hards to warrant pitting an extra time.
 
MIE1992
Idk about you, but I consider saving an extra 5 seconds to be a lot if it means pitting less. How long do mediums and hards last? I’m not sure if you save enough time driving on softs versus mediums/hards to warrant pitting an extra time.
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It's all about whether you can gain the time back by being on quicker tyres. Mediums are ok for around 8 laps before they get a noticable drop in performance but it's not until the softs really drop off that they're competitive time-wise, hards are slow and you want to be on them as little as possible. If you're in traffic, the extra stop probably isn't a good idea. In clean air though, 5-5-5-3-1 will be quicker than one less stop and say 5-5-8-1, in my opinion

Personally I think putting mediums on for the third stint would give you the option of a short or long run on the tyres, which you'd have about three laps to decide which way to commit depending on your position
 
Ashthebash
It's all about whether you can gain the time back by being on quicker tyres. Mediums are ok for around 8 laps before they get a noticable drop in performance but it's not until the softs really drop off that they're competitive time-wise, hards are slow and you want to be on them as little as possible. If you're in traffic, the extra stop probably isn't a good idea. In clean air though, 5-5-5-3-1 will be quicker than one less stop and say 5-5-8-1, in my opinion

Personally I think putting mediums on for the third stint would give you the option of a short or long run on the tyres, which you'd have about three laps to decide which way to commit depending on your position
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Could I do my tires in a different order? Like start on Hards and pit after the first lap? It’d be 1-8-5-5, in that case. (Or 1-3-5-5-5.)

EDIT: What about strategies for the Manufacturers Series race on Saturday as well?
 
Hasnain282
7-7-4-1 could also be worth a try, pit loss in the race can end up being different sometimes, could also depend on how we're looking in terms of fuel
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It seems fine on fuel, a little management to get to the end or just a splash if you've been pushing. I'm not going for seven laps on those softs though! Sod that!! Might be worth having a nose at one of the Oceania streams to see how much time they lose, but it's a big old straight that you get to skip by pitting

MIE1992
Could I do my tires in a different order? Like start on Hards and pit after the first lap? It’d be 1-8-5-5, in that case. (Or 1-3-5-5-5.)

EDIT: What about strategies for the Manufacturers Series race on Saturday as well?
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Yeah, the order doesn't really matter as long as you're in clean air. If I start near the back I'll 100% get my lap on the hards out of the way on L1, the two or three stop strategy just depends on position

Not sure about Manufacturers yet, did a quick race with no real testing as such. Longer pit stop by the looks of it (10s or so), and you will definitely need to fuel. I ran softs for 8 laps before they really got slow so could run two fairly long stints on softs but there's more time to make up and I doubt it's really going to be an option
 
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This was not my night. First race sucked and this one sucked slightly less with a better placement at start. Mainly because of a nice battle with a red Ferrari and the awesome Apple livery adorned car of @roamingbard13 .
The learning is that rage quitting (I was very close) is not teh answer. Treat any time on the track as practice. And as you see in the race edit, some battles can ensue. I want redemption on Sunday !
 
Ashthebash
Here's what my softs looked like after a six lap stint in the '08 GTR

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Don't think anyone (in that car at least) will be on them for long!

Edit: pit loss in the lobby was about 5s, if you're at the front it might be worth doing 5-5-5-3-1 and trying to run and hide
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In the practice races I did, pit loss was closer to 8s. I don't think a 4-stopper is viable with that time loss. There were also cars ("handling" cars) that easily did the race using each compound only once, including a Mazda in one of my races that did half the race on Softs that were only maybe 20-25% red at the end of 9 laps.
 
GTWolverine
In the practice races I did, pit loss was closer to 8s. I don't think a 4-stopper is viable with that time loss. There were also cars ("handling" cars) that easily did the race using each compound only once, including a Mazda in one of my races that did half the race on Softs that were only maybe 20-25% red at the end of 9 laps.
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Slightly crossed wires I think... that pic is from six laps at Catalunya in the Gr.2 for Nations, not from Dragon Trail

I've surmised this from your mentions of handling cars and Mazda!
 
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Ashthebash
Slightly crossed wires I think... that pic is from six laps at Catalunya in the Gr.2 for Nations, not from Dragon Trail

I've surmised this from your mentions of handling cars and Mazda!
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Yep, I was talking about the Manufacturer's race :lol:. I'd assumed you were too based on the similar number of laps, although I was wondering how yours added up to 19 laps when the Manufacturer's race was only 18...:lol:
 
For manu, you can get 9-10 laps on softs with Porsche no problem without much loss. Last practice race, I did 9RM-1RH-8RS.

My 7th lap on mediums was 141.5 and my fastest med lap was 140.9 so hardly a drop off.

I was short shifting somewhere between half and 3/4 and used up 87% over 10 laps so a little under 9%/lap. I ended up taking fuel to 68% for the final 8 laps (should have went with a little more as I had to fuel map last 1/2 lap).

Finished race in 31:10.

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For nations, definitely 555 on softs and a 4-stopper.
 
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Feel like I might give the races this weekend a try so I suppose I will have to pick a manufacturer. Looking at the rankings, it looks like people have remembered that the VW VGT is quite good and the Scirocco is the best FF car, so I will have to move onto another manufacturer. I've done Peugeot, Hyundai and Chevrolet, so I think that leaves me with either Lexus, Aston or Jag.

Anyone know anything about these cars? I had a quick blast last night and Lexus Gr.3 seemed the easiest to drive (but maybe the slowest?), but I have no idea about tyre wear or fuel consumption for these cars. Jag and Aston seemed pretty similar to me.
 
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