FIA Race Discussion [Archive]

[x5abotagex86]

Well I really enjoy the FIA races. The opening makes it feel... cool. The races (to me) generally seem harder fought and cleaner. And I enjoy the open qualifier.

For me it’s still really practice. I often play for a few weeks and take a long break, but I’m super into GT now.

So I’m hoping by next season I’ll have more experience with all the tracks and be more competitive. I really only know like 5-6 track we’ll. And I know a lot of people are there to really compete, so I sit some out - for their benefit, not mine lol.

Either that or get into a league soon. I really enjoy a setup that feels like a real racing season. Races with qualifying/race. But more importantly, an on going point system.

I think the FIA does a great job of this experience (especially with the lack of a season type mode in single player, which I’m very disappointed in). Could be better/worse, but for the online racing with so many racers of different levels and skills, I think it’s a great system!

 

[bigbeefytaco]

Nope, going with the Citroen Road Car - my goto "whale" which I love to drive.

Ford F-150

 

[Adam Barber]

Looks like PD forgot to turn multipliers on for the Nation's cup race tomorrow. Manufacturers strategy looks straight forward 7M/1H with no fuel saving at all.

 

[KosmoKazi]

Been meaning to share also: I don't like the new longer qualifying time... it's nearly 20 minutes after the 'race time' when the lights actually go out for the race. 10 minutes is too long for qualifying at normal tracks. Enough time for a clear track with all racers spread out, plus two hot laps is all that is needed, I think 5 minutes was great for most events. I understand for Sarthe and even St. Croix and Spa, but for tracks with <2:00 lap times, 5 minutes was best for qualifying.

 

[Tidgney]

I forgot to post this earlier when I posted my twitter post. But if you haven't seen the race, I know a fair few people watched it live! Here's the T16 with actual overtakes in !

 

[stpatty]

The St. Croix circuits are my favourites in the game, but driving the Gr.4 Nissan round here is just miserable. In a car where you need to basically roll it round corners with as little throttle application as possible to preserve the tyres and stop it from understeering, you're at a track where the road is three miles wide at every corner entry, apex and exit, so you need to carry much more speed as possible and hope you hit the right line to do so, which you can't because everything looks the same and there's no reference point. I think I'll need a miracle at this point tbh.

 

[sk1719]

Taking a break from this weekends races. Never raced st. Croix and this weekends nations race isn't super appealing. Nations race went fairly decent for me last race. Then the manufacturers race happen. Got into the last two time slots. Qualified 2nd in both and bottle it within the first 5 laps of both races to finish dead last. Lost close to 8k dr in the last week. Need to regroup and find my consistency...

 

[Ashthebash]

Looks like PD forgot to turn multipliers on for the Nation's cup race tomorrow. Manufacturers strategy looks straight forward 7M/1H with no fuel saving at all.

Yeah can't see anything other than that for Manufacturers with everyone pitting at the same time. Here's hoping for a race full of Alfas, Meganes and penalties!

 

[Jim Skinner]

I feel they got the Group backwards, they should have had Gr4 for Brands Hatch, and Gr3 for St. Croix. As stated before the Gr4 race is going to be painful.....MHO

 

[watto79]

Has anyone tried the F50 yet?

I tried it. It was 2.5 seconds a lap slower than the XBow and veeerry understeery. Very stable though.

Looks like PD forgot to turn multipliers on for the Nation's cup race tomorrow. Manufacturers strategy looks straight forward 7M/1H with no fuel saving at all.

The tyre wear in Nations definitely becomes a factor in the last few laps. It could make for some interesting situations, as I guess people will either look after their tyres, and be slower at the start, or go all out and just hope to keep things in check towards the end.

So either slow and steady and hope to pick up positions from those who slide off the track or go 100% and hope to build a gap.

 

[bigbeefytaco]

I feel they got the Group backwards, they should have had Gr4 for Brands Hatch, and Gr3 for St. Croix. As stated before the Gr4 race is going to be painful.....MHO

THANK YOU.

Yeah can't see anything other than that for Manufacturers with everyone pitting at the same time. Here's hoping for a race full of Alfas, Meganes and penalties!

Because the tire wear is terrible on the Audi, I may either do a two stop or stay an extra lap or two on hards. Have to test first.

 

[Adam Barber]

Yeah can't see anything other than that for Manufacturers with everyone pitting at the same time. Here's hoping for a race full of Alfas, Meganes and penalties!

You could pit lap 1 from hards and try to work your way up the pack on slightly newer tyres, all depends on where you start.

 

[Ashthebash]

I feel they got the Group backwards, they should have had Gr4 for Brands Hatch, and Gr3 for St. Croix. As stated before the Gr4 race is going to be painful.....MHO

Don't know. Last group of races you had two power tracks for Gr3 in RBR and Le Mans, starting this with another race where everyone could do with a Nissan would have been too much in my opinion

You could pit lap 1 from hards and try to work your way up the pack on slightly newer tyres, all depends on where you start.

You could, but unless you're the fastest car on track you're going to lose out to everyone in the slipstream train who's getting dragged along by the leader(s)

Edit: And you'd have to put up with almost undriveable tyres for a lap!

 

[GR33N]

I was just wondering if I was the only one to have this impression: the Hards seem even worse (almost undriveable) when I use them on L1 than say in the middle or end of the race ? Is this only due to the heavy full tank or something else comes to play ?

 

[Pigems]

I was just wondering if I was the only one to have this impression: the Hards seem even worse (almost undriveable) when I use them on L1 than say in the middle or end of the race ? Is this only due to the heavy full tank or something else comes to play ?

It’s due to both the full tank weight and tires being cold at the start of the race.

 

[RX8 Racer]

Well, I’ll be focusing my efforts on Nations Cup. I’m not going to bother with Manufacturers this weekend by virtue of being an Alfa driver. Being 10 seconds off the top 10 and having to contend with a completely unfamiliar circuit in a very slide happy car is not a good sign. At least Kyoto is semi-familiar and I can clock a decent 1:47 in the S-FR as a low B driver.

 

[Ashthebash]

I was just wondering if I was the only one to have this impression: the Hards seem even worse (almost undriveable) when I use them on L1 than say in the middle or end of the race ? Is this only due to the heavy full tank or something else comes to play ?

They're cold at the start whereas putting them on mid-race they're straight out the blankets so to speak. It's the sitting on the grid while everyone is being introduced that does the damage.

This was actually demonstrated a couple of series ago in the RB jr race at Sardegna. I watched a re-run of the NA top 16 race (which had 14 cars), and starters on hards got away fine with no wheelspin after the initial getaway. In my race - which had 20 cars - I got off the line fine but once I got up towards high revs it lit the tyres up, basically due to being sat on the grid for another 30 seconds or so while the extra six cars were introduced

 

[GR33N]

It’s due to both the full tank weight and tires being cold at the start of the race.

Ok thanks but the tyres are supposed to be cold on the outlap after pitting mid-race as well, aren't they ?

Edit : thanks for your explanation @Ashthebash

 

[Pigems]

They're cold at the start whereas putting them on mid-race they're straight out the blankets so to speak. It's the sitting on the grid while everyone is being introduced that does the damage.

This was actually demonstrated a couple of series ago in the RB jr race at Sardegna. I watched a re-run of the NA top 16 race (which had 14 cars), and starters on hards got away fine with no wheelspin after the initial getaway. In my race - which had 20 cars - I got off the line fine but once I got up towards high revs it lit the tyres up, basically due to being sat on the grid for another 30 seconds or so while the extra six cars were introduced

I think I may have been in that race, if I remember correctly, it was the only one that night where I didn’t crash at least once.

 

[Razgriz2118]

I really wish there was more information given about the tires, like it's clear there's a model of temperature but it'd be nice to have that displayed as well, like Assetto Corsa does (at least, I think it does, it may have been a mod I downloaded forever ago). Trying to discern that faint blue outline for cold tires is hard, and it's pretty much only there if the tires are ice cold so cold-decently hot are all in the same indicator range (unless I'm mistaken, in which case please correct me).

 

[GTWolverine]

I really wish there was more information given about the tires, like it's clear there's a model of temperature but it'd be nice to have that displayed as well, like Assetto Corsa does (at least, I think it does, it may have been a mod I downloaded forever ago). Trying to discern that faint blue outline for cold tires is hard, and it's pretty much only there if the tires are ice cold so cold-decently hot are all in the same indicator range (unless I'm mistaken, in which case please correct me).

Wait...there's actually a blue outline for when the tires are cold? It just looks white to me unless you slide the tires and it turns red. To be fair, in real life you don't get visual tire wear/temp indicators either.

 

[Razgriz2118]

Wait...there's actually a blue outline for when the tires are cold? It just looks white to me unless you slide the tires and it turns red. To be fair, in real life you don't get visual tire wear/temp indicators either.

Like I said, they have to be ice-cold, it only turns blue if I've stopped the car on track for a while. So, I almost never see it. And that's fair, but I wouldn't mind one in real life either if it was possible, then maybe I wouldn't have heated up my front passenger wheel so much I caused the center cap to come out when I took my old car to the track once lol

 

[larrybr07n]

To be fair, in real life you don't get visual tire wear/temp indicators either.

Some (many) race cars actually do have tyre pressure and temperature sensors fitted: https://www.bf1systems.com/product/tpms/

I bet in the next Gran Turismo will get better indicators for these, hopefully I'm not wrong

 

[Ashthebash]

Wait...there's actually a blue outline for when the tires are cold? It just looks white to me unless you slide the tires and it turns red. To be fair, in real life you don't get visual tire wear/temp indicators either.

Yep. Go into a lobby, click on go to track and just sit there in the pits for a few minutes (go and make a drink or something!). Then if you want a laugh, try and drive on them

I think I may have been in that race, if I remember correctly, it was the only one that night where I didn’t crash at least once.

You were - and I certainly don't remember seeing you crash...

 

[Peddler13]

Some (many) race cars actually do have tyre pressure and temperature sensors fitted: https://www.bf1systems.com/product/tpms/

I bet in the next Gran Turismo will get better indicators for these, hopefully I'm not wrong

The tyre indicators in GT6 were better!
Just a note, and I did mention this in the appropriate thread : I really hope that GT7 is an evolution of GT6 and not GTS.
Amateur drivers in these FIA races need all the help we can get. Driving line, TCS, auto gears are all available (and I use them all) as well as the cone markers. I dismissed the cones at first but they really do help you with your driving lines and picking the apex and exit of most corners.

 

[Razgriz2118]

Just ran a practice race for Nations, even though it was at the wrong time so grip was probably different, holy crap the SF-R gets demolished in acceleration and a straight line. I simply had no response to the GT3RS and X-Bows on straights or at corner exit. I'm probably going to have to rethink the car to use...

Also, good to see you @Jwptexas ! Looked like you were putting up a good fight in the Ford GT.

 

[05XR8]

Well, to me, this is what Nations should look like. Players have to pick one of between all thirteen of the mandatory N500 choices(nevermind the Gr.4 Supra).

One intial run. TCS Off, HUD on, Cockpit view default. No mistakes.

Two of the biggest surprises were the Citroen(I never ever drove it). Gearing is perfectly matched to the power delivery. Smooth to drive and has slight rotation, at low speed, to aid in cornering. Easy. Next, the Countach. Felt WAAAYYYY faster than that time. Has the best steering in pointing the nose to the apex. Weird one.

The Vipers felt good. If I choose it, it's got the clearest gauges at a glance. Fuel is to the left. So, that's easy to read. Those cars felt smooth and planted with those simulated fat tyres.

Camaro is actually good. Easy to drive. The throaty exhaust sounded the best( next to the two Ferraris). Would be nice to listen to for the 13 laps.
C7 felt long in the braking. Not that fun to drive.

Okay, The Lexus cars. Whew!
Can't believe I set those times. The freakin' LC500 has so much dive & squat on and off the accelerator. Geez. I guess the transmission saves that car. It's a boat.
Now, does the RC F have leaf springs on the front AND rear? Did PD just program the TRD Tundra suspenison by mistake? Ridiculous. Fine for drifting, but thought I was going to bin it on every corner. I made no mistakes though. I think only the Gr.4 Mustang has a stiffer suspension. At least program the best racecar suspension from the Gr.4 RC F. Sheesh.

10 years difference between the F model cars, are correct. BUT, I thought it'd go the other way. F40 was a touch loose in the rear. F50 was precise. I can't call that one. Coming out of the final corner in the F40, the left rear kisses the crease between the road and kerb on exit. Probably cost that .010s. Again, no mistakes drivng either.

The AMG should be above both Lexus. In stock form, it'd be no contest. BOP does it's thing then.

Shelby was last, but I'll talk about it before the Porsche.
I really don't care what the tyre wear will be. It's fun. No top, the 4-speed, the short wheelbase, the engine, fat tyres, exhaust note(2nd, in my opinion, to the SS - just by a whisker), handling, cockpit view, all that. Most enjoyable car of these choices.
Terminal velocity isn't reached before braking. Matches nicely to the track. Might have to do a Versus with the GT40 over a lap. Cobra would have it from a standstill though. It's on my shortlist for this afternoon.

GT3 RS. That's why it's at the top(I went .7s faster than my FP time). Short & sweet.

I'll run the "Mark X" in Point Race 1, as planned.
Point Race 2, might run Cobra or Viper GTS(I prefer its gauges over the SRT10). We'll see.

 

[ImRingo]

Yesterday and today I practiced for both the Nations and Manufacture Cup sessions and I don't feel comfortable in either. Nations, it seems like you need to take the X but I just don't like driving it. I much rather drive the Toyota but it seems quite slow in the straights. Manu, the Group 4 GT-R feels very sluggish around the 90 degree corners. Also this is the first time I'm doing anything at this circuit and my first impressions (at least for the config for the race) is not a good one. Feels like a 2nd grader made the track layout with crayons. I'll be skipping both series tomorrow.

The Supra Cup is on Sunday and I'll be dedicating around 2 or so hours to practicing for that sometime tomorrow. I've gotten a pretty decent result in one of the first rounds so I'm in the top 50 for it.

 

[OutlawQuadrnt]

The St. Croix circuits are my favourites in the game, but driving the Gr.4 Nissan round here is just miserable. In a car where you need to basically roll it round corners with as little throttle application as possible to preserve the tyres and stop it from understeering, you're at a track where the road is three miles wide at every corner entry, apex and exit, so you need to carry much more speed as possible and hope you hit the right line to do so, which you can't because everything looks the same and there's no reference point. I think I'll need a miracle at this point tbh.

Not sure yet but I feel St Croix could be a decent combo for the Gr.4 Nissan. If this hasn't been done by now, lower the brake balance to around +1 to +3. Sounds crazy but I realized a while back that max rear brakes was making my entries far too inconsistent. Once I dialed it down, car was better to drive and my tire wear was about the same. For St Croix, the wide track means you can lower the steering angle and wait for the nose to rotate before you mash the throttle.

You could pit lap 1 from hards and try to work your way up the pack on slightly newer tyres, all depends on where you start.

Usually, this would be the route but I would prioritize staying in slipstream above all else. The hards are atrocious because of the low tire wear and the requirement's probably there only to help the FF cars.

 

[Jwptexas]

It’s due to both the full tank weight and tires being cold at the start of the race.

Does the amount of rubber being laid down on the track have anything to do with it? Wouldn't be much grip at the start.

Just ran a practice race for Nations, even though it was at the wrong time so grip was probably different, holy crap the SF-R gets demolished in acceleration and a straight line. I simply had no response to the GT3RS and X-Bows on straights or at corner exit. I'm probably going to have to rethink the car to use...

Also, good to see you @Jwptexas ! Looked like you were putting up a good fight in the Ford GT.

I thought I recognized some names Imnotjimmy I think was there as well. I started making mistakes in the later stages but I'm having a lot of fun driving the GT but that xbow gaps me .200 every straight but I catch a little back in the corners just not enough! I think it'll be competitive tomorrow but I ain't winning, lol. Good to see y'all!