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One thing I've learned in the last few weeks, when trying to assess where I can get faster, which was proven out a bit in the 1st Nations Cup race in this FIAGTC 2020-21 season: the game prefers a V-shaped speed profile as opposed to a U-shaped one.

I've noted it before, but to expand on it a bit- I think there is a problem of sorts in the physics/control models... it will absolutely not let the car rotate when there is any throttle input or even some braking. It wants you to coast. It wants you to coast as short a time as possible, but as opposed to a u-shaped speed trace through a corner, where a driver IRL might be 'feeling' the absolute limits of grip and making adjustments, the game just requires you to hit the 'gate' or window at the bottom of that V, which in effect turns into \_/ in most cases... because no one is perfect.

This was evident to me as I practiced for the Nations race in the Bugatti Gr4 car. To be fast, you absolutely have to coast, unless you could time your braking and throttle on perfectly, but then even in the long corners, coasting with absolutely 0% throttle input + 0% braking was almost always more effective than feathering the throttle or brake even a tiny bit.

I don't think this is realistic, and is attributed to the modeling and controls of the game, more than anything 'sim' related.

I also think that @Mistah_MCA nails it in his guide videos "brake for a short bit" and then coasting through the remainder of the turn is better than braking for a longer time, until you are at the preferred max cornering speed. This is not realistic, as a good driver could get better or faster times using either method (maybe at the expense of increased tire wear, for example... or maybe not. Maybe even preserving tire wear by allowing better weight distribution when accelerating, for example), but the game simply refuses to let the physics of the U-shaped speed profile work.

Explains why, when added to the known 'assists' built in to the controls (to mimic how a wheel/pedals might behave without the actual inputs) driving with a DS4 can be really effective. (NO I'M NOT STARTING THAT DEBATE! Just adding to the supporting info...)

When you read about certain drivers and their techniques, you see there are different ways to do the same thing well... Schumacher was all about that front end feel and carrying max cornering speed through as much of the turn as possible. I'm not comparing myself to him, but I am saying there are different ways to get through a turn fast IRL, but the game seems to require just the one: slow in, coast/rotate (minimize this time but at 0% throttle + brake input), get on the throttle as fast as possible (admittedly the game really does reward throttle management up that exit slope... it's one of the most important things in the game).

It was just really evident driving the Bugatti, and in my mind proved what I was starting to really see. Could see it big time in the first hairpin (T2) and the last complex with two joined RH turns and the penultimate LH turn... I saw 0.5 sec chunks of time vary with this approach in each corner during FP for the race.

Just throwing it out there. Maybe I'm all wet. But I feel more and more confident this is the case after the Rd1 race.
 
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Started 10th in Nations and finished 11th. I had some weird glitch. Someone came out of the pits as a ghost, right on top of me. When he unghost, my car was thrown off uncontrollably.
 
Just bumped into @Pigems and (I think?) @Ashthebash in a manufacturer practice lobby. I don't know if you recognised my name or not, but thanks for the race! 👍

Definitely increases my confidence for Saturday in B/S-A/S lobbies if my pace is only marginally slower than you guys (assuming you weren't sandbagging! :lol:)

Hey man, it was a pleasure racing with you tonight, great race! I definitely wasn’t sandbagging lol, you had some good pace man. I think you’ll do really well Saturday if you drive like that. Good luck! :cheers:


Has anyone tried the 2 stop for Manu?

Not yet. I got 9 laps out of the softs tonight in practice, I don’t know if I could do it in traffic though. I think the 3 stop is just gonna be faster in the end, even if you get 10 laps out of softs, that’s still 13 more laps on meds and Hards, and it’s a pretty short stop for just tires. The fuel saving helps to save the tires quite a bit, but I don’t think it’s enough to get more than 10 laps out of softs to make a 2 stop work.
 
How much fuel saving are we talking for Manufacturers? Is it something extreme like "lift and coast, throw it into lean settings as much as possible" or a moderate "shift at 50% to 75% RPM bar" fuel saving? Not sure how much practice time I'm going to get.
 
Just bumped into @Pigems and (I think?) @Ashthebash in a manufacturer practice lobby. I don't know if you recognised my name or not, but thanks for the race! 👍

Definitely increases my confidence for Saturday in B/S-A/S lobbies if my pace is only marginally slower than you guys (assuming you weren't sandbagging! :lol:)
Yeah you were very quick, consistent too, much quicker than I'd expect from someone with your DR. Never showed any signs of getting dropped and I wasn't sandbagging at all (the spin at the esses was part of my testing ;))

On the flip side of the coin, @Pigems and myself are now boycotting the race out of fear :lol: :lol:
 
How much fuel saving are we talking for Manufacturers? Is it something extreme like "lift and coast, throw it into lean settings as much as possible" or a moderate "shift at 50% to 75% RPM bar" fuel saving? Not sure how much practice time I'm going to get.

We had a test race last night in our private league. I had to refuel for 2.5 laps in the Viper while shortshifting a bit during last few laps before the final stop(3 stop strategy with 7 laps per soft stint).

Probably I would have not needed it if I could have done the initial strategy(2 stops), but was losing too much time in the midfield on the mediums(made 41s and 42's instead of the calculated 38.5-39.5), and decided to switch it on the go.
 
No idea who to go for in Manu, been with so many now over the years. Just had Mazda for the rotary sound but I want something a little more stable but still goes round corners. Generaly not a fan of FF cars but that would only affect Gr4 and can be an advantage on some circuits.

Might go with Chevrolet, Aston, Jaguar, something heavy and powerful and rear wheel drive so should be ok with rotation. Am I about to make a HUGE mistake?
 
No idea who to go for in Manu, been with so many now over the years. Just had Mazda for the rotary sound but I want something a little more stable but still goes round corners. Generaly not a fan of FF cars but that would only affect Gr4 and can be an advantage on some circuits.

Might go with Chevrolet, Aston, Jaguar, something heavy and powerful and rear wheel drive so should be ok with rotation. Am I about to make a HUGE mistake?

Go "Team Chevrolet"!
 
No idea who to go for in Manu, been with so many now over the years. Just had Mazda for the rotary sound but I want something a little more stable but still goes round corners. Generaly not a fan of FF cars but that would only affect Gr4 and can be an advantage on some circuits.

Might go with Chevrolet, Aston, Jaguar, something heavy and powerful and rear wheel drive so should be ok with rotation. Am I about to make a HUGE mistake?

Try the McLaren's, they’re really nice to drive right now. :)
 
How much fuel saving are we talking for Manufacturers? Is it something extreme like "lift and coast, throw it into lean settings as much as possible" or a moderate "shift at 50% to 75% RPM bar" fuel saving? Not sure how much practice time I'm going to get.
I've managed to get the Mitsubishi around with no refuelling with some mild shortshifting (shift up around 66%) and a tiny bit of coasting going into turn 1, the start of the esses, the seafront hairpin and the final bend.

In my full length test runs I've had between 0-2% fuel left at the end. Those test runs have all been against the AI or 1v1 with a friend however, so whether it'll hold up in the actual race is still to be seen.
 
Aww man I’m sorry to hear about your DR reset. I primarily do FIA but every now again I’ll enter the dailies to try and build my DR. And almost every time I walk away thinking maybe I shouldn’t have.
...good time to mention: your SR record is as impressive as any I've seen here. Very clean, I respect that a lot. I can understand your hesitation to jump into Dailies... I share it! I created my alt account to use for that, but ironically I've been able to avoid the dirtiest stuff better when racing in that account. But it's nice to know it doesn't matter if something does happen, that my main account and FIA points won't be impacted! Hope to share a grid with you sometime!
 
Ready to go in the Porsche 911 RSR and Cayman GT4 Clubsport this 2020-21 FIAGTC season...

I know the Porsche will be at a slight disadvantage for ultimate pace this weekend, but it's always a joy to drive it and at DTG... and I think come race day it will be more effective than in qualifying. (Best brakes on the grid)

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There's a chance I will miss the race, but the new later time slots may play into my favor this weekend... hopefully I don't miss out.

I'm sure I could find another 0.5 sec in pace... here's my best lap from a session today, if anyone has any suggestions. I don't think there are a ton of guides for the Porsche on softs at this track, and since it doesn't rate on the leaderboard, not sure where I may be the most off... the 911 RSR, with its torquey flat six and its unique gearing mean you hustle it a bit differently than the fastest marques here...



(I think I am leaving some speed on the table: at the hard right in the back, near the end of Sector 1, and I always struggle with the last turn, where you really need to be patient on the throttle...)
 
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No idea who to go for in Manu, been with so many now over the years. Just had Mazda for the rotary sound but I want something a little more stable but still goes round corners. Generaly not a fan of FF cars but that would only affect Gr4 and can be an advantage on some circuits.

Might go with Chevrolet, Aston, Jaguar, something heavy and powerful and rear wheel drive so should be ok with rotation. Am I about to make a HUGE mistake?
By "ok with rotation," do you mean "easy to rotate" or "doesn't try to kill me when I try to make it rotate"? Because the FR cars are mostly the latter, not the former.

That being said, yes, come join Team Chevy!
 
Hoping for a good return to FIAs Saturday night at DTS! Been away from Sport mode for the last 6 rounds or so as it was just too dirty in the lower A/S lobbies for me to deal with 3 nights a week. Let's hope the recent changes to the penalty system has discouraged, if only a little, the constant easy up and down resets of some terrible repeat offenders who just sucked all the fun out of it for me. :(

Anyway, switched it up this season from Mercedes to Aston Martin. I'll miss the Gr. 3 AMG, that thing is/was awesome! But the poor Gr. 4 Merc, was a real dog after the last BOP update, so not sad to say goodbye to her.

I'll be rocking the HKS sister cars in Gr. 3 Manufacturer's races, I still have to whip one up for the Gr. 4.

Good luck to all this Exhibition Season. Hope to have some fun racing with some of you!

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Welp, not feeling too strong here, either I'm still too much of a noob or DT Seaside regular isn't one of my strong tracks. I also feel like I need to master the Viper more since I know I can find more time, I just need to get used to how willing it is to rotate.

Definitely going with a 3 stop tomorrow. With how DT Seaside is and how I'm still learning to master the Viper's rotation on the soft tires, I definitely won't be able to stretch a stint out into 2-stopper territory. After 8 laps on the Mediums they were already around 1/3rd worn and there was a noticeable difference in grip, and with the Chicane of Death and the long esses, you need all the grip you can get.
 
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