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[SpeedStarGTS]

Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but if you finish above the top half of the field, you gain DR. If you finish in the bottom half of the field, you lose DR. The amount of DR you gain or lose depends on the DR of the people you beat/the people who beat you.

It's a a bit more complicated. its all tie to your Lobby ranking(shown by the number on your car)

1-If you qualify and finish ahead of your ranking you will gain DR and if you finish lower than your ranking you lose DR

2-If you qualify lower than your ranking and finish ahead your current raking in the race you will gain DR. but if you only improve your POS in the race your DR gain is less.

3-Here the complicated part -_- on top of what I said above if you beat higher ranker/s your DR gain is increase significantly But if you get beat by a Lower Ranker/s on track you will lose DR regardless of 1 and 2

however if you get finish on the podium none of the above matter you will gain lots of DR and slightly less if its the top 5

 

[Adam Barber]

Bottled qualifying completely for the millionth time in a row to start 19th.

Finished 17th in the end, not surprised an overly aggressive frenchman cost me on lap 2 or 3 by not giving me any space on the exit of the first chicane. Never normally very fast here anyway, much prefer the reverse layout. Leaving it there with some rubbish points.

 

[stpatty]

Had a go in the Lexus for my Race A-inspired 59 SR. After a clean race it's only gone up to 82

Came 2nd behind the Croatian guy. If I'd been in an M4 I might just have been able to keep up with him.

 

[Zorz]

Just had a third of my qualifying time taken away by someone who bottled it on the zig-zag chicane, rejoined the track ghosted, unghosted right in front of me and then quit back to the pits a split second after I went right up the back of them on my first flying lap. 🤬

Then lost a few places by a ridiculously aggressive French driver who punted me wide at the sector 3 square hairpin and then refused to give space when I was alongside, pushing me onto the grass. No penalty for that either, but I lost SR.

Debating whether to go again. The first few laps are an absolute melee, and my SR has dropped to 86 because of all the crap I had to face. Wouldn't be surprised if the quali incident was especially bad since it gave me a 4 second penalty for something that wasn't my fault...

EDIT: Seeing what points are on offer in <99 SR races after stpatty's post, I think I'll take my result and run...

 

[stpatty]

Just had a third of my qualifying time taken away by someone who bottled it on the zig-zag chicane, rejoined the track ghosted, unghosted right in front of me and then quit back to the pits a split second after I went right up the back of them. 🤬

Then lost a few places by a ridiculously aggressive French driver who punted me wide at the sector 3 square hairpin and then refused to give space when I was alongside, pushing me onto the grass. No penalty for that either, but I lost SR.

Debating whether to go again. The first few laps are an absolute melee, and my SR has dropped to 86 because of all the crap I had to face. Wouldn't be surprised if the quali incident was especially bad since it gave me a 4 second penalty for something that wasn't my fault...

EDIT: Seeing what points are on offer in <99 SR races after stpatty's post, I think I'll take my result and run...

If you're at 86 you should be okay. I was at 84 for Manu at the weekend and I was in the sort of lobby I'd normally be in for my DR.

 

[Timm Sheehan]

Nation's Cup Race Round 5:

First EMEA race in the D/S lobby of the day. My weapon of choice was the GR.4 BMW qualifying 9th with a 1:45.419.

No orange arrows or penalties after the turn 2/3 combination (which was expected), came out of that mess with 1 or 2 orange arrows (not sure how many) and 5 seconds of penalties. Prepared for that mess by running the full qualifying session and ran the remainder of the race quietly racking up as many green ones as I could which allowed me to keep my blue SR.

Race strategy was straight forward – all 10 on H with no stops at all and it worked out well.

Points tally for the race: Gained 562 DR points and gained 3 cup points for Ireland. SR started the night at 99 and rebounded to end at 99.

Racing craft today was surprisingly good. A few racers had a few problems, but they did a good job coming back onto the course after their problems without affecting anyone else.

Best lobby I have been in lately. Most of us were fairly matched.

The end result.

I enjoyed the online racing today, I hoped you all did too.

Enjoy your racing!

 

[stpatty]

Went again. Lost over 1k DR and ended up with an SR of 52. **** this game.

 

[Razgriz2118]

I was planning on sitting this one out because I've driven Garden forwards like... once, for the Circuit Experience, so I barely know the track, and I have a ton of work piling up. But man, it looks like an absolute mess from the videos posted here. Good luck to everyone who has yet to participate and will be racing!

I like this two comparable car set-up. Hopefully they do the GT-R vs. the Atenza at some point for a laugh.

TT vs 4C when

It's a a bit more complicated. its all tie to your Lobby ranking(shown by the number on your car)

1-If you qualify and finish ahead of your ranking you will gain DR and if you finish lower than your ranking you lose DR

2-If you qualify lower than your ranking and finish ahead your current raking in the race you will gain DR. but if you only improve your POS in the race your DR gain is less.

3-Here the complicated part -_- on top of what I said above if you beat higher ranker/s your DR gain is increase significantly But if you get beat by a Lower Ranker/s on track you will lose DR regardless of 1 and 2

however if you get finish on the podium none of the above matter you will gain lots of DR and slightly less if its the top 5

I can't remember the posts I read that went into a lot of detail into this, but isn't finishing top vs bottom half more consequential to net DR magnitude than the number on your door? Because I thought I remember reading that the number on your door vs. finishing position wasn't as important as making sure you beat more people than you lose to.

 

[Zorz]

Nations Cup Round 5
A tale of people sitting ghosted on the racing line in qualifying and aggressive French drivers with an affinity for pushing people wide at square hairpins. There's some serious deja vu tonight.

Attempt 1
As above, my qualifying got wrecked a bit by someone losing it and then unghosting right in front of me. I managed to rescue it and qualify P6 with a 1:39.641. The start was rough, losing a couple of positions by the end of sector 1. I've already ranted about this race earlier, but ended up finishing P7 for 132 points.



Attempt 2
Deja vu time. Was also in with @stpatty who looked to have had absolute hell in this race.

I had a German who must have messed up at the end of sector 2 and was sitting ghosted on the racing line heading into the quadruple right-hander not once but twice throughout qualifying. The first time I compromised my line trying to avoid him and ended up going into the wall because of it.

And then as the timer is about to expire, not one but two people going slowly on the racing line into the square hairpin which compromised the end of sector 3 for both me and stpatty. Was not at all amused because I was on course for my fastest time as well. I was faster in qualifying this time with a 1:39.440, but that was only good enough for P11.

I had a good start off the line, but sector 1 got wrecked a bit by having to take the right-hander kerb in the zig-zag chicane a lot tighter than I would have liked because of a Spaniard who didn't leave much space. That almost made me spin out.

I got pushed wide by another French driver at the square hairpin, although thankfully not all the way onto the grass this time. Ended up P9, 119 points. At least I got my SR back.

Not going again, that race really isn't my cup of tea. I think I prefer something a bit longer with some other things to consider like tyre strategy and fuel.

 

[Tidgney]

For anyone wanting a laugh

 

[Famine]

It's a a bit more complicated. its all tie to your Lobby ranking(shown by the number on your car)

1-If you qualify and finish ahead of your ranking you will gain DR and if you finish lower than your ranking you lose DR

2-If you qualify lower than your ranking and finish ahead your current raking in the race you will gain DR. but if you only improve your POS in the race your DR gain is less.

3-Here the complicated part -_- on top of what I said above if you beat higher ranker/s your DR gain is increase significantly But if you get beat by a Lower Ranker/s on track you will lose DR regardless of 1 and 2

however if you get finish on the podium none of the above matter you will gain lots of DR and slightly less if its the top 5

Yeah, it's not this either. What matters is the difference in raw DR score between you and the other drivers.

For every driver you finish ahead of, you gain 80 DR plus ((their DR - your DR)/500).
For every driver you finish behind, you lose 80 DR plus ((your DR - their DR)/500).

This is why it's generally held that you should finish in the top half - there's more people behind you to gain DR from than ahead of you to lose DR to. Still, in a particularly badly matched lobby it would be possible to gain just 1DR from a driver significantly worse ranked than you, or lose 300DR to them.

Improving your position is irrelevant. Finish position is all that counts. You'd get the same score for starting and finishing 6th as starting 20th and finishing 6th.

Your door number shouldn't be taken as your ranking explicitly, because it's actually a reverse alphabetic sorting of your raw DR score. In principle, if a top-ranked A+ driver at 100,000 was alone in a race with a bottom-ranked D-driver at 9, the D car would be #1 and the A+ car would be #2. Generally you can rely on it for the most part in a lobby where everyone's DR rank is B or above (except the 100k A+ drivers).

 

[Jayceon47]

Think I may do the same. I’ve had some good clean racing the last few weeks and the hairpin in particular is making me nervous about another DR reset.

Also I can’t seem to put more than 3 laps together without making a mistake.

Hairpin is divebomb central, if you don't brake in the middle lane, you gonna get an unwelcome visitor lol.

 

[SlowDriver87]

Hairpin is divebomb central, if you don't brake in the middle lane, you gonna get an unwelcome visitor lol.

I didn’t race in the end. I don’t dislike the track, it’s just not one of my favourites, which is largely thanks to how other drivers behave on it.

 

[Lateralus5813]

Unexpected good race!! I could have gone for 1st but with equal cars and similar pace only a mistake or something else would allow it. I'm pretty happy!!

 

[Windfire1010]

North America top split.

 

[CurbHog]

Prepare for Manu Race 5 - Fuji

 

[Ashthebash]

Couldn't get on for the first slot like normal and had to wait until 9pm to race, so was in the 4th slot along with @T_revisio in what was quite a solid split

Qualifying was definitely "meh". I'd done 37s in lobby practice, consistent low 38s, and just didn't hook a lap up properly. Had the pace to qualify top six, but had to settle for 12th.

The race started and we all funneled through the first few corners seemingly without much incident. I was stuck behind a Frenchman who didn't seem the quickest but was getting help defending by everyone being nose to tail, then on L4 I got a good run out of the chicane down to the tight hairpin and well, this was what ensued over the next 100 seconds...



I'm not exactly sure what I did to deserve two penalties totalling 3s but it must have been bad seeing as nobody else picked one up! That put me last, I had good pace though, and on around L6 there was an incident ahead, I was able to regain a couple of places and it put me right behind a recovering Trevisio. In hindsight, I should have probably forced a move as soon as I caught him (think he had damage), but didn't and spent the rest of the race dancing all over the back of him trying to put him off enough to make the error I needed to make a clean pass. I had a few attempts at some strange ones (outside into the four-apex turn being one!) and I did almost get fully alongside going into T1 on the final lap but didn't trust the lunge! Trevisio defended well without making that mistake, and we crossed the line 12th and 13th.

The last few laps were a lot of fun, even if for a minor place, but feel the race could/should have been longer - ten laps was just too short - and I need to work on my qualifying! Lucas Ordonez won the race in a time 2s slower than what I'd been doing in lobbies... if only I could stick it near the front!

 

[GTWolverine]

Well, I screwed myself out of a potential P2 finish behind @Winnie847 in the first slot. I qualified 6th over 0.5s off of pole, nearly threw it away on cold tires at the chicane which cost me a spot, then got it back when someone completely lost it on the exit of the chicane. After that it was just keeping up with the cars immediately in front and slowly picking them off. On Lap 9, I was in 4th, and 3rd was clearly struggling and got a bad run down the short straight into 4 Brothers. I took the inside at what I thought was well before the corner, but they fought it and we made contact and they went into the wall. In hindsight it might've been just a "racing incident", but I parked it on the pink runoff to wait for them to rejoin anyway, throwing away 3rd place, which would've become 2nd since the car that was in 2nd crashed at the last corner and finished 5th...

I'm sure @Geauxgreddy has a replay that'll show whether or not it was my fault, or if it was indeed a racing incident. I was worried about the pack behind me catching up, but I still probably should've waited to pass at a better spot.

Anyway, after finally managing a good finish on the first try in last week's Nation's race, I'm back to having to do at least 2 attempts as usual...

Sucn a long wait!

Edit:
Got put in Top 🤬 Split for Slot 2, and a weak one at that, so this race was pretty pointless (literally). Qualified 19th and finished 12th.

Here comes Slot 3...

 

[05XR8]

Can't call Fuji. The last Daily Race with Gr.3, it looked like the Viper and R8s were flying. Big Lex was holding her own, but was half struggling to out drag M6s and AMGs.

Been a minute since racing in an A/S Manu.

 

[Rexracer702]

Not my best combo. Qualified 20, finished 19th for 39 points. I'm done. At least tire wear wasn't a problem this week.

 

[GTWolverine]

Well, I screwed myself out of a potential P2 finish behind @Winnie847 in the first slot. I qualified 6th over 0.5s off of pole, nearly threw it away on cold tires at the chicane which cost me a spot, then got it back when someone completely lost it on the exit of the chicane. After that it was just keeping up with the cars immediately in front and slowly picking them off. On Lap 9, I was in 4th, and 3rd was clearly struggling and got a bad run down the short straight into 4 Brothers. I took the inside at what I thought was well before the corner, but they fought it and we made contact and they went into the wall. In hindsight it might've been just a "racing incident", but I parked it on the pink runoff to wait for them to rejoin anyway, throwing away 3rd place, which would've become 2nd since the car that was in 2nd crashed at the last corner and finished 5th...

I'm sure @Geauxgreddy has a replay that'll show whether or not it was my fault, or if it was indeed a racing incident. I was worried about the pack behind me catching up, but I still probably should've waited to pass at a better spot.

Anyway, after finally managing a good finish on the first try in last week's Nation's race, I'm back to having to do at least 2 attempts as usual...

Sucn a long wait!

Edit:
Got put in Top 🤬 Split for Slot 2, and a weak one at that, so this race was pretty pointless (literally). Qualified 19th and finished 12th.

Here comes Slot 3...

Slot 3, qualified 7th, had no pace in the race, and finished 8th. Had a great fight for it, but 173 points means it's my lowest score now and won't even count. On to slot 4. I'll be needing extra caffeine tomorrow.

 

[sk1719]

Man it's impossible to race with this penalty system. Get brake checked mid corner and you get the sr down. Or even on the smallest of bumps...

 

[GTWolverine]

Slot 3, qualified 7th, had no pace in the race, and finished 8th. Had a great fight for it, but 173 points means it's my lowest score now and won't even count. On to slot 4. I'll be needing extra caffeine tomorrow.

4th Slot: qualified 6th, would've finished 8th again. but since 8th place points were useless for my score, I parked it at pit entry just before the finish since I figured some of those behind me might find the points more useful.

5th Slot: Should've expected this with how late this was, but the DR went from A+ to B, so of course points on offer were relatively low (183 for the win). I quit as soon as I checked the points, not even caring about the DR loss. Way too late/early to bother with the whole race at that point.

 

[Razgriz2118]

Hopefully I'll have enough time to work out strategy for the race on Saturday, it's gonna be a busy end of the week. Has anyone formulated a pit strategy yet, and is fuel going to be an issue?

At least there's this very accurate description of the track that I found just in time for this race that sums up Fuji well (Warning: Language):

 

[Zorz]

Hopefully I'll have enough time to work out strategy for the race on Saturday, it's gonna be a busy end of the week. Has anyone formulated a pit strategy yet, and is fuel going to be an issue?

I've only done one practice run to get a feel for it, so take this with a pinch of salt.

Fuel is definitely a factor, especially if you want it to line up with your pit strategy and refuel as late as possible. Mild shortshifting in the Mitsubishi lets me go about 17 laps. I tried 7M/8S/8S and the tyres were getting uncomfortable near the end of the Soft stints, and that was with BB+5 to try distribute the wear as equally as possible. 2M/7S/7S/7S might be faster, but don't know yet.

 

[05XR8]

Just .5 from 8th-10th. Following the Vantage in 8th. Losing ground at T2.

I guess the race will be fine. 1RM and keep throwing RS on til the end.

 

[kungtotte_]

That rFactor video explains precisely why I'm sitting this Saturday out More time for Brands for me!

 

[Lateralus5813]

Hopefully I'll have enough time to work out strategy for the race on Saturday, it's gonna be a busy end of the week. Has anyone formulated a pit strategy yet, and is fuel going to be an issue?

At least there's this very accurate description of the track that I found just in time for this race that sums up Fuji well (Warning: Language):

As I said before, I really despise that last section. However, I'll race there this Saturday anyway because Gr.3 is more manageable for me and I don't want to miss any more rounds. Also, I'm not a serious contender or anything so...

 

[zavisic_]

This is it, I did my best in top lobby. Only a day of practice, not enough.

 

[Geauxgreddy]

Slot 1, found myself ranked mid pack in a lobby with @GTWolverine @Winnie847 and @Granadier . Looking at the names around me, I was going to be happy with a top 10 and some +DR. My strat was super simple: drive behind the guy in front until he ate it or his tires fell off. In the practice lobbies, penalties were popping up often. When racing got tight, even good drivers were eating walls. Pushing in the beginning really cost you at the end with tire wear. So, I figured the race would be similar.

I qaulifed p8 with a 1:38.9xx and was pretty dang happy with that. Pole was 7 tenths up, @Winnie847 rocked a 1:38.2xx.

Being too cautious on lap 1, I quickly fell back two spots. But, my plan was to just chill and wait to race on Lap8+. So I didnt get in a hurry and settled in behind the guy in front of me.

One by one, drivers took penalties or wrecked and I slowly made my way up to p5. Then, on the last lap, I made up 3 spots due to a costly error by @GTWolverine and then another error by crg88x as he and @Winnie847 were swapping postions back and forth.on the final lap.

I took 2nd place, 223 points, and I escaped with my SR intact. Also, got a healthy DR gain. Now Im just a few hundred from getting back to A+ after my costly daily race DR reset a few months ago. Saweeet.