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Jawehawk
Pretty good finale.

- Where did the Unsullied come from? I thought they were surrounded in a siege at Casterly Rock? Did the writers just casually forget one of their own sub plots?
- The Truce talk in the first 30 minutes or so is pretty good, although the writers are really struggling to find a use for so many important characters at the same time. The end result being that many of them might as well not have been there.
- When Euron left, I thought it was entirely out of character, and became worried that we wouldn't see him again. Very happy that it was part of a clever ploy by Cersie. Euron might be a psychopath, but he's too enjoyable to not get more screen time :D
- The love story between Jon and Dany continues to be awful. Zero chemistry between them.
- Jamie finally leaves Cersie, but he forgot to bring Bronn with him! Very tense scene between him and the Mountain.
- Not sure what to think about the death of Little Finger. I was confident that he'd die in this season, but Winterfell as a whole was really poorly handled this season, and so his death feels somewhat rushed. It seems only natural that Sansa plays a part in his death, but Arya continues to suck, and he deserved a more memorable death at the hands of someone better.
- Bran continues to be emo and awful, but at least he provides us with more interesting lore this time around. And what a twist it was.
- So, did the White Walkers not have a plan to deal with the wall outside of using a dragon? What would they have done if they had not been presented with a dragon for their army? Just continue to casually stroll about in the North for eternity? Yeah, they still suck.
- Thankfully, Tormund didn't die, and so there is still hope for the best couple of GoT (Brienne/Tormund).
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Why do you even watch GoT? :lol: You seem to complain about everything because every tiny detail isn't explained, you don't even seem to pay attention. For example the Unsullied weren't under siege, they just had their fleet destroyed, and as Jamie said to Olenna "we emptied the larders before we left, eventually they will be forced to abandon their position and march all the way across Westeros." Which I'm guessing is what they did, presumably with the help of the Dothraki.
 
Not using spoiler threads anymore here. Title says "spoilers", but I'll use initials for names.

Glad to see LF get it. Why SS didn't do this sooner, if she knew all this information. Unless BS had recently let her know.

Everything else, well I don't know. Just seemingly based on bad decisions.
 
@Jawehawk
I have to agree with your last two points. If Dany hadn't come north to rescue Jon, they may have been able to hold them at the Wall. Instead, they leave them a way to get through. In the interviews post-show, the writers did say that they knew they wanted to use a dragon to bring the wall down in the end and that they worked backwards in the story to get there. That may also explain the crazy travel times in earlier episodes.

And obviously Brienne and Tormund are the real power couple. I always laugh when he mentions her.
 
Spurgy 777
Why do you even watch GoT? :lol: You seem to complain about everything because every tiny detail isn't explained, you don't even seem to pay attention. For example the Unsullied weren't under siege, they just had their fleet destroyed, and as Jamie said to Olenna "we emptied the larders before we left, eventually they will be forced to abandon their position and march all the way across Westeros." Which I'm guessing is what they did, presumably with the help of the Dothraki.
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When Grey Worm looked from atop the walls of Casterly Rock, he saw their navy being destroyed by Euron's, as well as a Lannister Army approaching the castle. Right? Or am I misremembering? I'm well aware that the Lannisters allowed them to take Casterly Rock, the goal being to trap a considerable part of Dany's army in one place. There'd be little point in allowing them to take the castle, if you then just let them abandon it at their leissure. But letting them take it, making them sustain casualties in the progress, and then trapping them there without provisions for a siege, now that is clever.

So what happened? Did they break free with the help of the Dothraki? The show doesn't need to show us, but mentioning it is pretty important. Giving no mention to it makes it a plot hole, whether you like it or not.
 
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Jawehawk
When Grey Worm looked from atop the walls of Casterly Rock, he saw their navy being destroyed by Euron's, as well as a Lannister Army approaching the castle. Right? Or am I misremembering? I'm well aware that the Lannisters allowed them to take Casterly Rock, the goal being to trap a considerable part of Dany's army in one place. There'd be little point in allowing them to take the castle, if you then just let them abandon it at their leissure. But letting them take it, making them sustain casualties in the progress, and then trapping them there without provisions for a siege, now that is clever.

So what happened? Did they break free with the help of the Dothraki? The show doesn't need to show us, but mentioning it is pretty important. Giving no mention to it makes it a plot hole, whether you like it or not.
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There was no Lannister army, just the Greyjoy fleet destroying the Unsullied's ships. And putting the Unsullied under siege after letting them take the castle would be just about the stupidest thing they could do. The point of the plan was to 1) Take Highgarden whilst Dany's forces were occupied, and 2) Take the Unsullied out the picture for a bit by making them take the long route back. If they intended to destroy the Unsullied, which is the only reason I can see for "trapping" them - they wouldn't really be trapped because they would just leave and attack any armies in the way - then you would do it from the best defensive position in the whole of Westeros, not outside it.
 
Spurgy 777
There was no Lannister army, just the Greyjoy fleet destroying the Unsullied's ships. And putting the Unsullied under siege after letting them take the castle would be just about the stupidest thing they could do. The point of the plan was to 1) Take Highgarden whilst Dany's forces were occupied, and 2) Take the Unsullied out the picture for a bit by making them take the long route back. If they intended to destroy the Unsullied, which is the only reason I can see for "trapping" them - they wouldn't really be trapped because they would just leave and attack any armies in the way - then you would do it from the best defensive position in the whole of Westeros, not outside it.
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Ahh, my mistake then.

I have to disagree about it being a bad idea to trap them there, though. Given how limited the Unsullied are in terms of fighting strategy (they lack any ranged components, nor do they have any cavalry), a well equipped force shouldn't have much trouble dealing with them. Attacking from a defensive position doesn't mean anything if you lack any kind of tools to take advantage of it. The Lannister force could've simply set up one or two kilometers away from the castle. With little to no supplies, staying inside the castle wouldn't be an option. Meaning the Unsullied, having already endured one battle and no doubt suffered extensive casualties, would then be faced with having to engage a new, well rested force, potentially fielding cavalry, out in the open.

Leaving the Unsullied to wander freely strikes me as quite a gamble, as you'd have no way of knowing where they'd pop up. I get that there's value in even the temporary removal of the Unsullied from the overall equation and leaving them stranded, but a plan that ultimately means complete freedom of movement of a sizeable and supposedly elite force seems very flawed to me. Surely, they would have some form of plan on how to handle them before they'd have a chance to reunite with the main force. Not seizing the opportunity to crush a significant unit that has been cut off from its main force would be a tremendous military blunder.
 
Jawehawk
...how limited the Unsullied are in terms of fighting strategy (they lack any ranged components, nor do they have any cavalry)
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Actually according to the books the Unsullied are extensively trained with ranged weapons, "the three spears" (pike, spear and javelin?) as a highly disciplined and fearsome anti-cavalry army, as well as with the short sword and shield for melee. Their original purpose was to defend slaver cities against the Dothraki, with which they are now effectively allied under Daenerys,
 
I think that they did a poor job on the fall of the wall. What happened to all the rubble? It was just magically gone and the ground was cleared instantly.
 
eran0004
I think that they did a poor job on the fall of the wall. What happened to all the rubble? It was just magically gone and the ground was cleared instantly.
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Most of it fell into the sea I think, although I agree what was left didn't really look much like rubble, but meh.
 
Game of Thrones has been nominated for the Humanitas Prize, which is awarded to writers of film and TV who, in words taken directly from the website:

  • “Encourage viewers to truly explore what it means to be a human being.”
  • “Challenge viewers to take charge of their lives and use their freedom in a responsible way.”
  • “Motivate viewers to reach out in respect and compassion to all their brothers and sisters in the human family.”

https://winteriscoming.net/2018/01/...tions-cinema-audio-society-nominations-shell/
 
I'm finally up-to-date on this show. I'm glad I stuck with it because, even though the last few seasons have not been as well done as the previous ones, it is such a story worth watching.
 
Somewhat unwarranted bump, but finished watching Season 1 the other day and
I now want Gendry and Arya to be an item by the series end.
 
Season 8 predictions anyone?

  • Jon Snow/Aegon VI Targaryen wins the game of thrones.
  • Daenerys dies. Your choice of either childbirth (because SHOCK Mirri Maz Duur was lying about Dany not being able to have more kids after Rhaego) or being the Nissa Nissa to Jon Snow's Azor Ahai.
  • Assuming that they have kids, they'll be twins, boy and girl, name choices are simple. Boy will be either Eddard, Robb, or Rhaegar. Girl is more up in the air; either Rhaenys, Rhaella, Rhaenyra, Lyanna, or Catelyn (bear with me on this, Jon Snow will possibly find out via Bran that Cat tried to care for him as mentioned in S3E2)
  • CLEGANEBOWL IS HAPPENING #GetHype #HoundVsMountain #RIPChickens
  • Arya rules The North with Gendry. Robb and Rickon are dead, Jon abdicates because he's trading up to the Iron Throne, Bran's seemingly fine with giving up his claim and being in all the timelines at all times, and Sansa is 50/50 on living to see the end of the show, depending on which filming rumors you choose to believe
  • Yara and Hodor become part of the army of the dead.
  • Climatic battle of the series takes place in one of two areas: King's Landing if you're obvious, The Trident if you want a callback to how the Targaryens lost the throne in the first place.
  • Essos might get 40 minutes max screen time this season.
  • Jaime kills Cersei.
  • Jaqen get one last appearance.
 
SecretAgentZero
Season 8 predictions anyone?
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•Dany dies during childbirth.
•Jon battles the night king, both dragonback, both die.
•Sansa and Gendry sit the iron throne until Jon and Danys baby comes of age.
•The white walkers die, as do the wights, Bran starts it aaaaaaaaaaall over again.
 
So, Emilia Clarke's interview with this month's issue of Vanity Fair has one interesting tidbit:
She's already filmed Dany's final appearance in the show and, in her words:
“It (bleeeeeeep, a synonym for messed) me up,” she says. “Knowing that is going to be a lasting flavor in someone’s mouth of what Daenerys is . . .”
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Oooh boy the speculation begins...


SUPERDUPERSTEALTHY EDIT: Pilot for a prequel has been ordered, WAY further back than I anticipated.
 
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Spacegoat
I'm more disturbed that we could be waiting a whole year for a before season eight even premieres? The wait is going to be painful.:nervous:
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Personally, I'm sticking to my April 2019 season premiere prediction. Currently have
Jon and Dany's wedding
serving as the first scene of S8E1.
 
As someone who always watches all the previous seasons before the new one starts, I'm quite contempt with a longer break than usual.
 
Mostly for my amusement, here's a vague idea for a spinoff I'm toying with in my head:

281 AC. Harrenhal.

One of the most pivotal moment in series lore, with the crown prince and heir Rhaegar Targaryen crowning Lyanna Stark as the queen of love and beauty during the tournament at Harrenhal. Rumor has it that the tourney itself was secretly arranged by Rhaegar himself as a pretext to get some of the major lords together as a means to call an informal Great Council regarding his father's competency as king. Canonically speaking, this is mostly side material to the fact that the events immediately afterwards (i.e the "abduction" of Lyanna) were of much more importance.

TL;DR: Alternate history, Rhaegar's Rebellion.
 

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