GT5 and Forza 3 comparison (video) by Machinima

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Da-Bomber
What about car customization?
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GT4 had mechanical customization, and very mild external customization (rims/spoiler)... GT5 will likely have more in-depth customization!
 
Leadfoot53
GT4 had mechanical customization, and very mild external customization (rims/spoiler)... GT5 will likely have more in-depth customization!
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Hopefully you're right.
 
and also GT4 had different rim and part manufacturers! Something Forza can only claim half of... (they had different rim manufacturers, but only 1 type of brand for mechanical parts)
 
Since there seems to be so much debate over what game is better lets get down to the real things that matter in a game.

Lots of cars:
GT5-Yes
F3- Yes

Good variety of tracks
GT5-Yes
F3-Yes

Fun to play
GT5-Probably will be
F3-Yes

So in the end they are games and as long as you enjoy them who gives a crap what one has slightly better graphics.
 
Precisely. I have a lot of fun, and I mean a lot with GT4. And its graphics suck compared to Forza 3's, if people say Forza 3's suck compared to GT5's. I can't imagine how much fun would I have with Forza 3, especially with its car roster, car customization, etc.
 
Justin
Since there seems to be so much debate over what game is better lets get down to the real things that matter in a game.

Lots of cars:
GT5-Yes
F3- Yes

Good variety of tracks
GT5-Yes
F3-Yes

Fun to play
GT5-Probably will be
F3-Yes

So in the end they are games and as long as you enjoy them who gives a crap what one has slightly better graphics.
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What a breath of fresh air that is 👍
 
Leadfoot53
and also GT4 had different rim and part manufacturers! Something Forza can only claim half of... (they had different rim manufacturers, but only 1 type of brand for mechanical parts)
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Forza motorsport has multiple manufacturer parts for every car. For example, a chevy ZR1 uses a Garrett turbocharger and borla exhaust while a nissan GTR uses a HKS turbocharger and greddy exhaust. You have four different part manufactuars right there. Now if you're talking about the "tuner" shops in GT4(like HKS, spoon, blitz, tomz, etc), then no, Forza dosn't have anything like that.
 
CarBastard
I quite liked it. Shows the big advantages of each game. Forza has the sound and...erm..., well and GT has the physics, the graphics, the licenses...:lol:.
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You have to remember what they do with those licenses, for example PD/Dodge got a Dodge Ram Laramie 4x4 ( when SRT-10 was available), while T10/Dodge got the Dodge Ram SRT10. Of course these examples go for ever imo. It seems T10 knows what kind of cars I like, and keeps duplicates to a minimum.

hardvibes
Not at all.
GT5 looks real.
FM3 looks like a videogame.

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Got to agree, just don't turn up the volume or you'll hear the GT1 era tire squeel and recoded with a tape recorder engine and exhaust sounds.:)

dave_sz
PD would never slander another video game in any of it's campaigns.
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PD has campaigns?!?

Lil Ape
Forza motorsport has multiple manufacturer parts for every car. For example, a chevy ZR1 uses a Garrett turbocharger and borla exhaust while a nissan GTR uses a HKS turbocharger and greddy exhaust. You have four different part manufactuars right there. Now if you're talking about the "tuner" shops in GT4(like HKS, spoon, blitz, tomz, etc), then no, Forza dosn't have anything like that.
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But there was no difference in the parts at those shops in GT4 and the normal ones, not sound, not power, not even price, a very halfa$$ attempt for PD. I would like to know what he is reffering to though. GT4 also had an enormous selection of wheels, including OEM wheels being able to use on other cars from other manufacturers if I remember right, very cool.

Sorry thanks for the fix Famine
 
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Dood, use the multi-quote feature.

It's the speech-bubble button next to the quote button.

Click it for each post you want to quote, then click "post reply" 👍
 
ChadSpeed
You have to remember what they do with those licenses, for example PD/Dodge got a Dodge Ram Laramie 4x4 ( when SRT-10 was available), while T10/Dodge got the Dodge Ram SRT10. Of course these examples go for ever imo. It seems T10 knows what kind of cars I like, and keeps duplicates to a minimum.
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Do you like the Corvette ZR1? IS that the type of car you like, top of the range models? F430 Scuderia? Aston Martin DBS? etc.

If you do hard luck, you need to buy the premium copy of Forza 3 to get them.

ChadSpeed
Got to agree, just don't turn up the volume or you'll hear the GT1 era tire squeel and recoded with a tape recorder engine and exhaust sounds.:)
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The sounds have improved vastly since GT1. They may not be up to scratch, but neither are Forzas in a lot of respects.

ChadSpeed
PD has campaigns?!?
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Yes.

ChadSpeed
But there was no difference in the parts at those shops in GT4 and the normal ones, not sound, not power, not even price, a very halfa$$ attempt for PD. I would like to know what he is reffering to though. GT4 also had an enormous selection of wheels, including OEM wheels being able to use on other cars from other manufacturers if I remember right, very cool.
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Original Suspension, Stage 5 Turbo. I think thats about it :lol: It wasn't really half arsed, considering 'real' tuning is more to do with weight balance, suspension, handling etc. Power is just something you add to, to put it simply.
 
hardvibes
What makes the difference is how the developers manipulate SHADERS. That's what makes the cars in GT5 look REAL
PD win at that, hands down.

Example: do the gloves in fm3 look real?
You perfectly know GT but let me remind you that alcantara looks exactly like real alcantara on these sparco gloves, not to mention the rest of the dashboard. In forza everything look FLAT, plastic, fake, videogame....whatever you want to call it...
It's not only about the quality of the textures, it's also about shaders, how a specific surface looks depending on the lightning​
http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/a...5-prologue-screens-20080306100215311_640w.jpg

IMO
FM3 is Oren-N.Diffuse Shader/Blinn Specular Shader
GT5 is Lambert Diffuse Shader/CookT. Specular Shader​
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This is EXACTLY THE post i have been looking/waiting for !
Thank you for "scientifically" technically explaining the REAL difference between the two games, and showing why GT5 is such an eye candy over FM3. (which is the REAL PLUS over any other games, on top of a satisfying driving physics, not to mention the camera works during replays that both worthy of an olympic coverage AND would make a Professional camera-man cry for joy)

I have to agree that FM3 is NOT a bad game, It IS indeed a great game... It does have TONS of (extracurricular) features that I wish GT would/could include.
but i just cannot forgive it for its flaws, just like the way some of you cannot forgive GT5 for not having skidmarks, reverse-light, perfect ideal pristine cleanliness look, sound* tracks and what not...


I think the reason why i Like GT5 over FM3 is: I am able to overlook the lack of those "features" , just like the way you guys are able to overlook the "safer" (third-wheel) & fORgivingZa driving physics (which (i admit) IS FUN to play but in the long run does not make it exciting or interesting enough. Too much "à la" NEED FOR SPEED prior-SHIFT for my taste) I guess i have moved on from that type of play.




I dont even know why i bother myself to try to convince you.
I can only wish that you see the real intentions KaZ and PD are aiming for when developing GT5, as opposed to what the interests of Turn10 and Dan G are. (IF anything else at all , Aside from making money of course)

I might not agree and happy about the fact how SONY PD Kaz handle those release postponing, but i am even less convinced with the way MS TUrn10 Dan's work and philosophy.





*PS: :confused: for the life of me, I just dont understand what you mean by bad sounds in GT, I havent been around those real cars running, but I find Forza sounds just AS BAD if not bad-er... :odd:
 
Strangely, Top Gear has been mentioned in this thread a few times. And honestly, I don't understand what's wrong with people who say they hate the show. Do you, people, also hate Christmas, puppy dogs and marshmallows?
Top Gear is an entertainment show and a damn good one. Their reviews aren't meant to be taken seriously but saying that they have no passion for cars is just wrong. In fact, I can't think of any other automotive show that has so much love and passion for all things motoring. Watching Top Gear reminds us that cars are much more than just means of transportation. If you want consumer advice the show is not for you, Top Gear is a show for people who can look past the numbers and appreciate cars for much more than just means of getting from point A to point B.
 
Justin
Since there seems to be so much debate over what game is better lets get down to the real things that matter in a game.

Lots of cars:
GT5-Yes
F3- Yes

Good variety of tracks
GT5-Yes
F3-Yes

Fun to play
GT5-Probably will be
F3-Yes

So in the end they are games and as long as you enjoy them who gives a crap what one has slightly better graphics.
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I DO


FUndamentally , i agree with you... 👍

But not everyone is 10 years old (i am NOT saying you are :) ), and not everyone has such a "basic" simplistic requirements / needs from a car game.


I guess to make it more agreeable to both parties, the right thing to say would be that: "Which Game we like more or prefer depends largely on what each of us really care more about."

And in that sense, no one can convince anyone else ;)

Happy Driving then and enjoy our freedom to disagree ;)

zlo2
Strangely, Top Gear has been mentioned in this thread a few times. And honestly, I don't understand what's wrong with people who say they hate the show. Do you, people, also hate Christmas, puppy dogs and marshmallows?
Top Gear is an entertainment show and a damn good one. Their reviews aren't meant to be taken seriously but saying that they have no passion for cars is just wrong. In fact, I can't think of any other automotive show that has so much love and passion for all things motoring. Watching Top Gear reminds us that cars are much more than just means of transportation. If you want consumer advice the show is not for you, Top Gear is a show for people who can look past the numbers and appreciate cars for much more than just means of getting from point A to point B.
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Welcome to GTP new member... but i think you post in the wrong topic ;)
 
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Justin
Since there seems to be so much debate over what game is better lets get down to the real things that matter in a game.

Lots of cars:
GT5-Yes
F3- Yes

Good variety of tracks
GT5-Yes
F3-Yes

Fun to play
GT5-Probably will be
F3-Yes

So in the end they are games and as long as you enjoy them who gives a crap what one has slightly better graphics.
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There is one huge difference between Forza 3 and GT5, the availability of good affordable wheels.

Playing GT5P with a G25 is a completely different league from playing F3 with a microsoft wheel.

You don't even have to go to a G25, the DFGT is still a huge improvement over the MS wheel.

If you are comparing them playing with a pad then that evens everything up considerably, in fact I think I preferred F3 with the pads.

I wish I had access to a fanatec wheel to make a proper comparison, but they are considerably more expensive than a DFGT or even a G25 when they are on offer
 
Come on. If you relax and just "feel", even the Forza players deep inside feel that Gran Turismo is the icon among racing games. It's not just the authentic beauty look of the graphics, it's everything all together. Just recently I played GT1. My hardest licence tests were those with the Dodge Viper on SS R5 and that with the TVR on SS R11, I was hooked right away, even today that game is so impressive challenge wise speaking, back then it was a shock for the gamers, so big it instantly became the classic among the classics. I wish long live to Polyphony Digital and Kazunori Yamauchi, his vision is amazing. Oh, and I am not a fanboy, I used to critisize GT as soon as I see something wrong with it, but overall GT feels deadly amazing to drive and to look at, the nucleus of GT is still authentic, and even cultic, thinking of this I realise Forza is nowhere near GT's world, the great pleasure mixed with great frustration and such seriousness is unparalleled, no game on any system gives you the seriousness of the "challenge" Gran Turismo is capable of.
 
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phil_2001
Come on. If you relax and just "feel", even the Forza players deep inside feel that Gran Turismo is the icon among racing games. It's not just the authentic beauty look of the graphics, it's everything all together. Just recently I played GT1. My hardest licence tests were those with the Dodge Viper on SS R5 and that with the TVR on SS R11, I was hooked right away, even today that game is so impressive challenge wise speaking, back then it was a shock for the gamers, so big it instantly became the classic among the classics. I wish long live to Polyphony Digital and Kazunori Yamauchi, his vision is amazing. Oh, and I am not a fanboy, I used to critisize GT as soon as I see something wrong with it, but overall GT feels deadly amazing to drive and to look at, the nucleus of GT is still authentic, and even cultic, thinking of this I realise Forza is nowhere near GT's world, the great pleasure mixed with great frustration and such seriousness is unparalleled, no game on any system gives you the seriousness of the "challenge" Gran Turismo is capable of.
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I just hope none og that changes in GT5. I really hope they don't make it like GTPSP. I think what most people are really afraid of is that GT5 won't feel like a GT game, that is what I'm afraid of, I don't care about the release dates, I got other games, all i hope is they get the game right
 
motortrend
I just hope none og that changes in GT5. I really hope they don't make it like GTPSP. I think what most people are really afraid of is that GT5 won't feel like a GT game, that is what I'm afraid of, I don't care about the release dates, I got other games, all i hope is they get the game right
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:nervous::nervous::nervous::nervous:
 
motortrend
I just hope none og that changes in GT5. I really hope they don't make it like GTPSP. I think what most people are really afraid of is that GT5 won't feel like a GT game, that is what I'm afraid of, I don't care about the release dates, I got other games, all i hope is they get the game right
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A World Map for the GT mode is already confirmed, dont worry.
 
georgetigra
+10000000000
:nervous::nervous::nervous::nervous:
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GT PSP was just a side step.... I am not sure why you would worry so much !

GT PSP is basically an updated GT4 to entertain the nomad crowd...

So like "G.T.Ace" wrote: DON't Worry, the Original GT formula will Stay, i am pretty confident about that...
 
Kaz has hinted that the gt formula would be adapted to today's modern lifestyle. Some members have mentioned that maybe th gt formula of old could be watered down or online may play a bigger part.
Who knows?
 
I'm hoping that 30 skylines aren't in the game.

By that I mean I just don't want every car from GTPSP because that would mean that we only get a handfull of new cars.
 
Da-Bomber
I'm hoping that 30 skylines aren't in the game.

By that I mean I just don't want every car from GTPSP because that would mean that we only get a handfull of new cars.
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While I agree with you on your second point, I disagree with the first.

We'll likely get 50+ Skylines 👍 Besides, more cars is always good. Tell the people who want each variation of corvette from each generation, even if theres only 20bhp difference or something. The Japanese got what they wanted first, variations.
 
Isn't there something like Forza-planet on the net?

I'm asking this because comparing these games seems, to me at least, a bit irrelevant since their both exclusives on different consoles and since most people only own one console they choose one or the other based in part on the games catalogue which each console represents.

The main reason Forza exists in the form it does is that GT created the blueprint for racing and driving games based on the huge succes it was and still is.
Imitation is the sweetest form of flattery, even if the imitation extends to choosing the same language to name your game (italian).

I don't mind if they started by imitation and then moved the game forwards, since that is exactly what made Japan what it is today.
And to be honest, with the long wait in front of us, i found myself wondering the other day if Forza 3 or whatever it is called were to be a multi-platform game i might rent it or even consider buying it, although merely as a stop gap towards the release of GT5.

But it isn't and it won't and although i use Windows on my PC because i'm too lazy/uninterested/digitally illiterate to use open source software and not financially able to trade my PC for something with an Apple-logo, i couldn't even consider to trade my PS3 for an X-box.....
 
CTznOfTime
Welcome to GTP new member... but i think you post in the wrong topic ;)
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Thanks, I've been trolling here for a while now.
Perhaps, I should have quoted the original poster. I meant to reply to a poster who compared Forza to Top Gear saying they dont have passion for cars. Reading that sent me into a nerd-rage.
 
How do they not have a passion for cars?
 
analog
Isn't there something like Forza-planet on the net?

I'm asking this because comparing these games seems, to me at least, a bit irrelevant since their both exclusives on different consoles and since most people only own one console they choose one or the other based in part on the games catalogue which each console represents.

The main reason Forza exists in the form it does is that GT created the blueprint for racing and driving games based on the huge succes it was and still is.
Imitation is the sweetest form of flattery, even if the imitation extends to choosing the same language to name your game (italian).

I don't mind if they started by imitation and then moved the game forwards, since that is exactly what made Japan what it is today.
And to be honest, with the long wait in front of us, i found myself wondering the other day if Forza 3 or whatever it is called were to be a multi-platform game i might rent it or even consider buying it, although merely as a stop gap towards the release of GT5.

But it isn't and it won't and although i use Windows on my PC because i'm too lazy/uninterested/digitally illiterate to use open source software and not financially able to trade my PC for something with an Apple-logo, i couldn't even consider to trade my PS3 for an X-box.....
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The Forza fansite is Forzacentral.com
 
Ok, people keep saying who gives a crap about graphics...

Did Dan Greenwalt not say forza was the most beautiful racing game?

Did he also not say no other game competed or could touch them..


And judging by the MASS complaining threads on Fcentral(Even from the dedicated fans)... Seems like that game did not live up to the hype..at all.
Not to mention all the bugs...

But i still think its a great game.... just no Granturismo. Its like Forza 3 is the step mother who tries hard to gain your love, and Granturismo is well, The MOM.
 
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