Has GT6 been abandoned by PD?

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Just think of the average customer. They go to a retailer one day and see GT6. They see all the features, some on disc, some coming soon. They might look at some videos, might read a review but that's it. They don't visit forums, they don't constantly check developer websites constantly. They play through the game on release and notice things are missing. They come back to it a couple of times over the last few months, still no missing features. They're annoyed but they aren't the type to go online and search, come here, they just shelf/sell the game. They never see the remaining updates, they never see Kaz' final 'vision' for the game.

Now think of those people when GT7 turns up. "Ah, I liked that game but they never finished it which was stupid". It doesn't matter if PD did update it eventually, this guy doesn't know, he moved on with the negative impressions the unfinished game left him. Now he doesn't buy GT7, or knows to wait a few months so he knows it might be more finished.

I have a hunch this happened with a lot of the millions who bought GT5 in the first year and will happen again with GT6. This is the big problem with this way of releasing games, the casuals that make up the millions don't stick with it long enough.
You are correct in many ways. But at the same time look how many people continued on to buy GT6 after GT5? And the majority of those customers were, just like you said, causal customers. I'd be willing to bet by the time GT7 rolls around, the casual customer will have forgtten GT6's shortcomings and will buy the game. It's because, believe it or not, buyers remorse is actually a very short lived emotion. The great majority of people usually forget their buyers remorse only to make the same mistakes again and again. Heck, the corporate world knows this and it is partially why so many products these days are absolute crap. If the majority of buyers didn't buy from companies who burned them, ever again, many big name companies would no longer exist. It's sad, but if PD wanted to continue making games in the exact same fashion they made GT5 and GT6, they'd still probably do well for themselves.
 
You are spot on. I should have realized this after GT5, but at least I know now. No way am I getting GT7, at least not before I can see confirmation they are not releasing another half baked bug ridden featureless shell of a game.

I was a huge fan of the GT series (had every single one, including the PSP version since the beginning) But I would have not bought GT6 if it was not for the extra features (track editor, new community features etc) Without that it looked like a GT5.5 and I would have not bothered and went to spend $60 on it. So I got blinded by false promises and false advertising and I'm getting mighty pissed. I they think I will buy GT7 prologue or anything in the future that promises upgrades and updates, hell no way! They can forget my money.

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You are correct in many ways. But at the same time look how many people continued on to buy GT6 after GT5? And the majority of those customers were, just like you said, causal customers. I'd be willing to bet by the time GT7 rolls around, the casual customer will have forgtten GT6's shortcomings and will buy the game. It's because, believe it or not, buyers remorse is actually a very short lived emotion. The great majority of people usually forget their buyers remorse only to make the same mistakes again and again. Heck, the corporate world knows this and it is partially why so many products these days are absolute crap. If the majority of buyers didn't buy from companies who burned them, ever again, many big name companies would no longer exist. It's sad, but if PD wanted to continue making games in the exact same fashion they made GT5 and GT6, they'd still probably do well for themselves.

GT6 sold much less than GT5 so I guess the theory is right
 
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I think PD dont know what to do! :boggled:
On one side, they have GT6 for a last gen console. a game that doesnt sell well and 99% will not sell well (compare to previous GTs) and they promised to support it with cars & tracks DLCs, updates & VGTs.
On the other side, they should make GT7 for PS4 before its too late. they should do that sooner than later, because they dont want to repeat mistakes with PS3. (first real GT 4 years after PS3 released)
I think the biggest mistake was making GT6 for PS3. if it was a PS4 game, they could easily support it for 2,3 years like GT5, but now...
 
If you play online you would know the game is broken and has been since release its a joke and then apparently there on with gt7 I think gt6 should be fixed before releasing gt7 I'm just wondering how messed up gt7 will be going off gt6 anyway I know I won't be investing in gt7 I would rather play with my own turds.

Also I voted yes
omg... broken in which way? I play almost everyday online... Except for a few bugs that are still there, you can play perfectly! Its not broken!
 
I suppose you have to join the USA ones... And I think there are just Euro servers not specific ones for each euro country
No. I can do a search of US based rooms or all rooms.
 
Even if online isn't broken you can't deny it's extremely limited UNLESS you're in an organised league or event. It's as simple as online could get, log on, join a room in a list. THAT IS IT. Very poor.
Cant you still play and do races?
 
I've been a big gran turismo fan since the first one and 6 is the first I've felt something wasn't quite right. It just doesn't seem finished at all. The improved physics and new tracks are great but that's really about it. The ai if anything seems worse even though I read they were going to improve it and all the other things that were supposed to be released which haven't been. Anyway everyone seems to be acting as if PD are making all these decisions when couldn't it be Sony calling the shots? Maybe PD was going ahead with all the planned stuff for GT6 and Sony saw the sales which apparently aren't to great and told PD to stop working on it and focus on GT7P. Same thing could be said for why GT6 was on the PS3 and not PS4.
 
Before I pre-ordered GT6, I had a few expectations:

1. GT6 would be on the PS4.

The PS4 released first so it seemed logical to me that GT6 would be on the new system, especially since PD has long used the PS3 having "limited capabilities" excuse.

Now I was excited to see GT6 come to the PS3. Its' announcement actually secured my pre-order. I would likely only buy a PS4 for GT a good racer. Staying with the PS3 increased my expectations for a finished product with GT6 - PD having the experience of GT5 to build on and such. I could much better believe in and have faith with the full priced beta/work in progress GT6 has proven to be if this were happening on the PS4.

2. PD would learn from GT5.

I was hopeful that PD would learn a lot from GT5. Namely, making online more stable, balancing attention between offline and online play, setting realistic deadlines for content, updates, and DLC, and maybe even joining this millennium and communicating with us, their customers, every now and again. I was clearly wrong here.

3. GT6 would improve upon GT5.

I assumed, applying logic and reason, that PD would keep the features of GT5 and add to them. I never thought they would trade some features for others, such as adding the physics model - which I like on the whole - while gutting offline single races. I am still waiting for one-make races, tire wear/fuel use, and damage to return. Other notable absences are shuffle and endurance races. I didn't have much expectation for the AI to improve but I also didn't foresee the horrible rubber banding/last lap slow down PD would opt for.

The visuals have been a mixed bag as well. The upgraded standard car models are nice, but really should've been done in GT5 (and continued as time goes on). Many have complained about frame rate hits, but the main thing I've noticed is a rather dramatic stutter when another car goes into the pits - most noticeably in the Nurburgring 24 minute race.

Then there's the lighting system which can be spectacular at times but still has problems as well. My '70 Challenger Touring Car still has a useless cockpit view due to a strange over-exposure effect on the windows that makes the outside world look like a white out. Other cars still suffer from unreadable gauges/dashboards.

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As we near 4 months into GT6, deadlines have been missed left and right (regular DLC, second January update, February/March track update, etc), the promised "shortly after release" content updates are nowhere to be found, and basic bugs are *still* present (cockpit lighting, pit stop, camber, etc). All the while PD remains silent.

Meanwhile GT5 is getting more seasonals and GT6 gets only a few - and all time trials at that. The irony here is that I actually like time trials (and the new friend competition feature), I just want to occasionally race as well. The situation is only compounded by the economy being so bad that I'm actually losing money after grinding to buy time trial cars only to get the small, one-time reward.

GT6 feels more and more abandoned everyday. At this point, I would not be surprised if GT7P comes out holidays 2014 and we never see the promised features in GT6. I'm still maintaining a sliver of hope that I am wrong.
 
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Anyway everyone seems to be acting as if PD are making all these decisions when couldn't it be Sony calling the shots? Maybe PD was going ahead with all the planned stuff for GT6 and Sony saw the sales which apparently aren't to great and told PD to stop working on it and focus on GT7P.

Only specualation but definatly a fair point, you could well be right.

after all, its only profit that keeps the wheels turning ( no pun intended ) at the end of the day and its no secret that GT6 has massively underachieved financialy
 
I actually bought another PS3 (my original fattie died 12 months ago) JUST to get GT6 after all the hype over the holidays. I'm having a great time with it so far, but disappointed that all of the course maker and DLC isn't arriving as advertised. I wouldn't lose all faith just yet, its going to be a slow roll of new features and content. (I voted maybe)
 
Most popular racing developers, or even developers in general, would never drop a current title in favor of an unreleased future title, but I don't think that's the case with PD. Ever since leaks of GT7 have hit the media, it seems more and more apparent that we will not get our promised updates and they will let this GT die with the PS3. I can't understand why they would do this, considering they never "dropped" GT5 in favor of 6. I figured they would atleast drop some of the updates as DLC to milk the PS3 community for more cash before switching to PS4, but it seems they haven't even considered wasting the time. It's a sad time for PS3 owners who are GT fans.
 
I don't think any organization would leave a few million dollars on the table, especially if the car and track modeling was already complete. $4 for a track and some cars... I'd bet a million or more users still playing the game would open their wallets. (disclaimer: In no way do I understand how the DLC is integrated into actual gameplay)
 
I don't think any organization would leave a few million dollars on the table, especially if the car and track modeling was already complete. $4 for a track and some cars... I'd bet a million or more users still playing the game would open their wallets. (disclaimer: In no way do I understand how the DLC is integrated into actual gameplay)

If the reports of only 2-3 million buying the game are true I doubt a million of those are still playing at this point.
 
GT6 will probably get a relaunch campaign once the Senna content is ready to be included and once the work on GPS Course Maker is done.

Official tagline of GT6 is "The World is Your Track" and it has obviously been crafted with GPS functionality in mind. All GT6-related materials on SCS Press site are talking about GPS Course Maker as GT6 main functionality and the functionality itself is listed on the official GT6 site as something that will come with the update.

In the same time GT6 V1.01 was released, the PS4 was released. PD delivered game on time, but with few key functionalities missing and obviously in development: we all saw the Course Maker track in Spain as fully fledged track, so we already know for at least one complete location. And we have no idea how many locations PD is planning.

Count into picture the work on GT PS4 engine (check Jordan's entries on the Blog for insider details), as well as Polyphony's inevitable involvement into Project Morpheus development and both groups of modelers being busy about additional content they have to produce:

- car modellers: VGT models (at least 20 of them), possible new DLC models, probable some additional legacy models
- tracks/environmental modellers: Course Maker locations, PhotoMode locations, new tracks

Also take into account how Network group is working on Community features (they are all still part of the "coming with the update" section on the GT6 official pages) and how end of GT5 online support is scheduled for May.

My personal speculation is how PD/Sony decided to skip adding new features and significant content for GT6 until they finished work on all things they've planned to be included in the game: GPS Course Maker, Gran Turismo Mobile APP integrated with the GPS Course Maker / My GT section of the official web / Community portal, all Community and Quick Race functionalities, B-Spec mode, additional Special Events races (we have only Goodwood and Moon ATM), 3D support (and for that the graphics engine needs to be further optimized in order to stabilize on 60fps), VGT content, preparations for monthly DLC; etc.

Once they are done with everything, they will release GT6 again, as GT6 Spec 2.0 game (or whatever title) which will have all imagined functionalities, have servers free of GT5 online load and have Senna and probably some other content ready to be released.

Of course, one can say they have decided to save all of those for GT7 on PS4, but somehow I think they've just decided to prioritize their internal routines with limited manpower they have. We will know soon enough.
 
Have you played any other games with online components? Because what GT6 offers is factually very limited.
Nope. It offers so much. Maybe you guys just dont like the racing games much? People who do, like me, can have endless hours of fun by doing online races with other people. It works well. I play almost everyday.
 
OP here, to keep this thread open so the mods won't close it, let's try to make this thread as CIVIL AS POSSIBLE. Let's also not insult other people (be polite), don't post GIFS and other images not related to the subject, and stay on topic.
 
Nope. It offers so much. Maybe you guys just dont like racing games? People who do, like me, can have endless hours of fun by doing online races with other people. It works well. I play almost everyday.

You're really not getting anything I'm saying are you? Yes, you can go online and take part in races. Great. That's all if offers to date. There are no special features, no matchmaking, no way to create race series, no shuffle racing, nothing. Like I said you log on to GT6 online, are presented with a list of races to join and that is it. If you don't have a car to suit the races listed, tough. You can join on of them or leave.
 
You're really not getting anything I'm saying are you? Yes, you can go online and take part in races. Great. That's all if offers to date. There are no special features, no matchmaking, no way to create race series, no shuffle racing, nothing. Like I said you log on to GT6 online, are presented with a list of races to join and that is it. If you don't have a car to suit the races listed, tough. You can join on of them or leave.
Special features? Which features?
Matchmaking? How can you possible measure the skill level of each driver?
Create race series? Do it manually.
Shuffle racing? Ok, theres no shuffle racing, but you have a ton of other options.

You can see the PP limits and rules of each room before entering.
 
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