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[Imari]

Exactly. But, for fulfilling your MPR, it's the cheapest option. And, the Jetta's fun.

or spec racer ford is. If you wait until they're running on base tracks you can get mpr without paying a cent.

 

[Mac K]

Going to try that Solstice race tonight again at 8:30 Eastern.. thas in about an hour and thirty minutes or so, hopefully it won't be a crap fest again. If anyone wants to join, don't hesitate.

 

[polarbear345]

Going to try that Solstice race tonight again at 8:30 Eastern.. thas in about an hour and thirty minutes or so, hopefully it won't be a crap fest again. If anyone wants to join, don't hesitate.

Take 2!

 

[Mac K]

Daytona Prototype on VIR= Epic

 

[aarror]

What D-licence series have good participation?

I recommend the Spec racer ford, it is tough to learn but very rewarding to get right. Plus, the community is awesome, the fast guys are always willing to share a setup, and help the new drivers who are struggling. If you visit the weekly forum threads there is lots of advice, detailed video of a lap of the track, and stable setups to get you started. It is a very popular series, so you will not have trouble finding a race, and many tracks in the series are basic content.

 

[ITCC_Andrew]

VIR= Epic

Fixed.

 

[bevo]

What D-licence series have good participation?

The skip barber series is a really popular series. I have never entered a race there which didn't have enough participants to not be an official race. It's also a really fun challenging car to drive. I've tried to get into a different series but I always go back to the skippy. For the most part they are very clean races too. I would say 95% of the incidents I have had in skippy races have been my fault.

 

[Mac K]

Polar, you in?

 

[polarbear345]

Polar, you in?

Have to move the wheel, give me 5

 

[carfetish]

I take it you like the McLaren I quite like it also. (...)

I just wonder how much of the car is iRacing and how much is McLaren just making a great car? I know iRacing has the latest physics coded into this car and how much of that is causing the car to feel the way it does if any. Maybe McLaren made a gem of a car. It's definitely possible. One thing that most likely helped alot, is that iRacing was probably given more data from McLaren on the car than any other. I would imagine McLaren has miles of data and testing on this car.

Interesting point. How much of the safe, consistent driving for which many are praising the MP4 (It's amazing to complete lap one almost every race without any wrecks), is due to the car itself and how much is due to the lastet NTM refinements. If the latter is the case, if that is how every car should feel in an accurate sim, will even cars like the V8 end up being that safe with NTM5? (Would iRacing staff reconsider a stricter SR in the event?).

 

[Kevin01SH]

Polar, you in?

Mac i spectated a part of your race, but there were only 5 cars left in the field lol. You guys were running the Solstice on an oval?

 

[polarbear345]

Mac i spectated a part of your race, but there were only 5 cars left in the field lol. You guys were running the Solstice on an oval?

Yea, we started with like 12 xD Things went south in a hurry...

...again...

 

[Mac K]

29.. I just wanted to do something different. It brought out without a doubt the dumbest iRacer's I've ever seen. Me the entire race

 

[Hydro]

29.. I just wanted to do something different. It brought out without a doubt the dumbest iRacer's I've ever seen. Me the entire race

Did it ever
That was the weirdest thing I've ever seen... between the non stop chatter and the complete tools on track I was trying to figure out when it gets fun, but by then there were only 5 drivers left and my car was beyond repair - all from caution lap contact.

Good on ya for trying Mac 👍

 

[polarbear345]

Did it ever
That was the weirdest thing I've ever seen... between the non stop chatter and the complete tools on track I was trying to figure out when it gets fun, but by then there were only 5 drivers left and my car was beyond repair - all from caution lap contact.

Good on ya for trying Mac 👍

Are you Dylan?

Anywho, had that 9 car not been such a loser, I may have been up there with you all at the end!

 

[Hydro]

Are you Dylan?

Anywho, had that 9 car not been such a loser, I may have been up there with you all at the end!

No, I'm Marc, I was #23. #9 - Zach I think was his name - was obviously just there to play smash 'em up.

 

[polarbear345]

No, I'm Marc, I was #23. #9 - Zach I think was his name - was obviously just there to play smash 'em up.

Number 9 took me out under a caution. He went infront of the line of cars once... then stopped.. Just stopped...

 

[carfetish]

Tony and Eric have admitted that they know that low speed behavior of the tires is completely messed up. It's actually been a problem for a very long time, back to the days of GP2 and GPL in the mid 90's when I started sim racing.

Where are you getting the idea that I am talking about street cars or street tires? The issues that I'm talking about with slip angle, saving slides, and low speed tire behavior are WELL documented. Just because you don't think there is a problem ErikAndre71 doesn't mean there isn't one. I'm not sure how long you've been around sim racing but these problems have been around for many years.

Read a little history on tire models, specifically the Pacejka model. You'll find that many of the problems we are experiencing in iRacing have been around for many years.

1) Cold tires are far too fast.
2) Tire management is pretty much not required.
3) Slow speed behavior is erratic at best. Cars on slicks don't randomly lose grip going smoothly through a dry corner at 40mph.

These erratic behaviors we get from the tire model have been around since sim racing started with the Pacejka model. If you drive a real race car on slicks, once the tires are warmed up, if you drive at about 90% you have to practically try to get it to spin out. In iRacing (and many other sims) we get 0.1% to much slip angle and it's impossible to save. We can all save slides in iRacing, but it's like an on/off switch once you go over a certain slip angle. The only way we can save those kind of slides is with the cleverly named "2FMSH" (two foot magic save hack) which is essentially pressing the gas and brake all the way down and holding it until your car straightens out. iRacing advertises itself as the best racing simulator out there. With that kind of claim, these tire issues that have been around for decades should be top priority to fix. Especially since other "lesser" sims have already fixed these issues.

1) Tire wear/conservation is non existant.
2) Tires exhibit strange low speed behavior often resulting in a spin when it really shouldn't have.
3) Tire temperatures do not coincide properly with their behavior
4) The surface is static, so getting off the racing line doesn't hurt nearly as much as it should. (try rFactor 2 to understand this a little better).
5) No flat spotting which means the same guys can lock up their brakes corner after corner and not be punished. Late braking wannabe Sennas.

Just imagine how much better the racing could be if we had those glaring issues fixed? It would actually become i"RACING" instead of i"Hotlapping" which is essentially what we have now.

Are the low speed issues fixed in the Mclaren? The enthusiastic comments it has received suggest they are at least improved. As for the tire degradation and cold tire behavior, they are part of the vulcanization package that has been in the works for a while but held from release. Tony Gardner said in the December interview that it will be released only after the couple of handling issues are fixed.

If any of you haven't yet, please try out NetKar Pro. It will give you an idea of how much better the tire model could potentially be in iRacing. It of course has it's small share of problems too, but nothing like the problems we have with iRacing's NTM.

NetKar Pro is the main reason so many people are excited about Assetto Corsa. Graphics and stuff like that of course help, but if they can replicate the feel of NetKar Pro in Assetto Corsa, it will have iRacing beat by a long shot for that portion of the sim at least.

Don't get me wrong, I still love iRacing, I just want the tires to behave like tires, which they don't right now.

How do you compare nkPro with the Mclaren in iRacing? Comments in other forums suggest that it is better than the FVA's Challenge 458 (powered by nkPro):

Probably the best sim car i have ever driven. it´s just insane how good this car is really. First time i logged 70-80 something laps in one go.

better than anything in Netkar or FVA Hampus? If you still feel that way in a couple weeks I might renew my sub again. For you to say that I'm assuming that hot laps aren't set on lap one anymore.

comparing with the 458 in FVA i would say definitely yes. And i have only run with base setup which for the first time in history was good right out of the box.
The FVA is not bad by any means, it´s an awesome car but the Mclaren trumps it quite easily.
Just on immersion it´s night and day.

As far as I'm concerned, they made a good step forward, tire-wise, right for this reason: at last, you can properly handle turn exit. And turn in too, since T1 at Daytona is not so scary anymore. (...) Sensation-wise it reminds me FVA's Challenge.

 

[Hydro]

Number 9 took me out under a caution. He went infront of the line of cars once... then stopped.. Just stopped...

He was easily the worst driver I've ever come across as being an idiot goes.
He would creep up, back off, get close again then push on my back end causing me to spin. At first I thought it was a stupid (incredibly stupid) mistake, seeing as we were under caution the entire time, but wow was I wrong. I saw that dead stop too... wow 👎

 

[Jav]

Are the low speed issues fixed in the Mclaren? The enthusiastic comments it has received suggest they are at least improved. As for the tire degradation and cold tire behavior, they are part of the vulcanization package that has been in the works for a while but held from release. Tony Gardner said in the December interview that it will be released only after the couple of handling issues are fixed.



How do you compare nkPro with the Mclaren in iRacing? Comments in other forums suggest that it is better than the FVA's Challenge 458 (powered by nkPro):

I've never tried nKP, but I can tell you compared to the Ford GT, Cadillac and even the Vette and Riley the car is a huge improvement! You can enter T1 at Daytona fully commited and confident that you won't spin out in a silly fashion. That alone says a lot about it!

 

[Kamuifanboy]

I'm running some street stock today. Trying to get out of Rookie on the Oval side. Is it just me, or are there more morons on the oval side than the road side?

I think that the drivers from Road to Oval are the same. The difference is the racing. Driving cars that aren't exactly the best handling + fast speeds + always driving close to each other = Big problems.

 

[polarbear345]

He was easily the worst driver I've ever come across as being an idiot goes.
He would creep up, back off, get close again then push on my back end causing me to spin. At first I thought it was a stupid (incredibly stupid) mistake, seeing as we were under caution the entire time, but wow was I wrong. I saw that dead stop too... wow 👎

Too bad Mac figured out the kick command after he had done some damage :/

Again Mac, thanks for hosting!

 

[Mac K]

We'll do something a little more serious next time.. I couldn't stand the constant talk about NASCAR and that kid saying 10-4 all the time..

"The Rolex 24 is kinda boring ya know, I watched like an hour of it.. then I was like nahh and turned it off. I can't wait for the Nascar season to start again though!"

 

[Hydro]

'Hey host, Street stocks are faster than these cars here'
The race got so weird I forgot about all that pre-race nascar chat garbage.

 

[ITCC_Andrew]

Too bad Mac figured out the kick command after he had done some damage :/

Again Mac, thanks for hosting!

If I ever host an Online Session for myself and others, without a password, I'm getting a notepad and writing those down. All of them.

 

[tumbleweed]

Iracing code still in place for hosted sessions though? Could protest idiots?

If I'd known I wasn't going to bed then I'd have taken the solstice out for a few laps. Sounds like stupid fun

 

[ITCC_Andrew]

Iracing code still in place for hosted sessions though? Could protest idiots?

If I'd known I wasn't going to bed then I'd have taken the solstice out for a few laps. Sounds like stupid fun

According to Mac K's dad (or someone in his family - sharing his last name) "Punk 🤬, you can't protest a hosted session!" Made my week.

 

[Mac K]

So did "and then Mac K's family member dive bombing me on the outside of a corner causing me to spin out".

 

[ITCC_Andrew]

So did "and then Mac K's family member dive bombing me on the outside of a corner causing me to spin out".

I meant I was on the outside. And, I got two people mixed up. Sorry. It wasn't your family member. It was someone else, I don't think they're on GTP. My mistake. I had to re-see the replay.

The guy didn't brake until after I was too far off-of-the-line, because he was partially alongside, but, not entirely... If I had braked, at all, I'd have been clipped, spinning in front of all of the traffic. So, I tried to control the outside line, and spun. Was a dive-bomb, yes, but, wasn't your family member.

 

[Mac K]

It still sounded funny when you said it..