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GT4 was the pinnacle for me - the latest incarnation feels like a real backwards step...
Is anyone else disappointed with GT5?
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Because apparently it is impossible to enjoy a videogame franchise without joining the respective fan forum.
As a package, GT5 screws up so many basic things that the series has done right since the first game (and quite a few more that it has done right since the second) and does so few things better than GT4 that if the game is seriously used as a design template for future installments I can see the whole franchise going down the toilet.
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You think GTP is the bastion of all things GT, and because I haven't been registered long my opinion somehow counts less? That's an incredibly elitist and shortsighted view to hold. And I wasn't giving you my gaming history to lend weight to my words but to disprove your point that 'old' GT players 'understand' it. I'm an old GT player and there are many like me, as proved by the replies to your assertion, that share my opinion.
And if GT5 is 'making more things than any game out there', where is the decent damage model, fantastic AI, extensive multiplayer options, extensive customisation and tuning options, etc that exist in current racing games?
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Well I'm one who expected a whole lot better, and I've been playing every game since GT1, which I bought as a Japanese import in the UK. I played that for the many months until it came out in the UK, and then I played that for a similar, if not longer time. I spent about six months on subsequent GT games, and thoroughly enjoyed them. Indeed GT1 led to me getting a job working in a games shop, so I have a bit of GT experience, and I must say that GT5 is by far the poorest of all the GT games.
To dismiss anybody's opinion because they may not have been a member here, or in your opinion hasn't played this, or any GT game, for long enough is out of order.
You may get one set of disappointments from a person who has played some or all of the previous GT games, and then you may get a different (or similar) set of disappointments from someone new to GT games looking with fresh eyes. All opinions are valid. It is no coincidence that this is one of the larger active threads at the moment. There is a lot of disappointment about, from old and new members, GT 'newbies' and 'veterans'.
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I'm not "disappointed" with GT5. I personally think it's the best in the series.
I do however wish PD would have included more events and tracks. Other than that I'm enjoying GT5 far more than I did GT4.
I do however wish PD would have included more events and tracks. Other than that I'm enjoying GT5 far more than I did GT4.
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Amar it has explained perfectly:
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?p=4734568&#post4734568
Old enought to have followed closely all the last GT game developments in the last years with its shortcomings, interviews, progression, etc.. to understand how PD and Kaz works and what to expect in a game like that.You mean old enough as in don't expect or appreciate change? Old enough to be unable to keep up with progress?
Old enough as in saying "I remember playing computer games in the seventies and eighties and that's why anything today looks great to me you spoiled little young whippersnappers"?
Old enough to me means that I don't necessarily want the same thing I've already experienced unless it's truly within a new context (and yes the young ones are spoiled by definition).
Mostly is a newbie phenomenon, you just need to take a look at the complain threads, or read the source of some uninformed opinions. Also people who complained in GT4 will continue complaining in GT5, that's nothing new, not all people look for the same in a GT game.
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I don't know what you are trying to say here, I have owned all GT games but I only joined this forum around the time that GT5 was released, does this mean that I imagined owning all of the GT games?
Or does it mean that I can't be a fan as I wasn't on this site before GT5?
I am new to forums and quite possibly so are the other people that you speak of, the point is you don't have to be signed up to a forum to be a true fan of something so what you are saying here is irrelevant.
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So you like GT5, think it's the best, but have disappointments.
Not enough tracks, or even the tracks that are there are under utilised, (9xTsukuba, 7xGrand Vally Speedway, 7xMonza and 1 each of the Tokyo night courses
) and not enough races are some of the major disappointments for me. 
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honestly, this game is good. i mean yea, theres the whole "GT5 has been pushed back so many times and we get this?!" all those sorts of sayings. but its a videogame. cant expect EVERYTHING to be how YOU want it to be. yes there are flaws. but i look passed those. hell, i dont even see half the stuff people point out because i dont really care about spending all my time studying the problems instead of playing the game.
i also find it funny that i always used to time attack on forza 3. but the funny thing is that i love time attacking in GT5 alot more than i did in forza 3. overall, its a fun game to play.
i also find it funny that i always used to time attack on forza 3. but the funny thing is that i love time attacking in GT5 alot more than i did in forza 3. overall, its a fun game to play.
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Are you really of the opinion that the membership at GTPlanet is an indication of how much of an GT fan someone is? Or for how long they have been playing GT games?
I've been into Gran Turismo for quite a while but didn't register to GTPlanet until last year. I have, however, been part of German GT communities ever since GT3 released, Kinda nullifies your point, doesn't it?
What makes an opinion worthwhile and meaningfull are the arguments that are made to support it, not the date of registration or the post count
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So you like GT5, think it's the best, but have disappointments.
Not enough tracks, or even the tracks that are there are under utilised, (9xTsukuba, 7xGrand Vally Speedway, 7xMonza and 1 each of the Tokyo night courses
Yes, I think GT5 is the best in the series. That doesn't mean I think it's perfect and can't be improved on. Every game has areas that can be improved upon. And GT5 is no different.
I'm sorry, I have to go off topic here. Before joining GTP, I was contemplating joining either GTP or PSN Forum to discuss GT5. I've had a bit of an experience in the PSN forum and what I understand is that its full of self proclaimed 'experts', 'loyalists', 'well wishers', 'articulate' professors on the games they follow. The self pompous crowd was so hilarious, it was hard for me to to keep a straight face while reading those forums.
So I joined this forum to escape some of that stupidity, little knowing that it consists of elitists and people like Zer0.
"... and when I check he is a new registered member". Hahahahahaha, please, nice stand up comedy bit.
Number of posts does not equal to real life age. I've observed that post count is usually inversely proportional to real life age.
Now please continue with the topic, this thread needs to be on the front page of GTP.
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I'm afraid I have to disagree with amar there as well, at least partly. I agree that calling PD "stereotypical ignorant east asian video game developer" is out of line. But I saw a lot of reviews appreciate, sometimes even recommend the game to car collectors, so that aspect actually has been covered by western press. I also agree with him that B-Spec has hardly been appreciated by anyone, neither players nor press. However, I wouldn't rate that as a sign of people not knowing how to make use of this function. I'd rather say that the idea is good, but it is floored by a mediocre execution. Same thing goes for the "car collector" idea, which is great as such, but still could be much better in GT5.
It's true that not everyone looks for the same in a GT game. Yet, I still deny that people complain for the sake of complaining. I see a lot of long time members and long time GT players in the complain threads. I also see a lot of newbies, and they stand out because they don't word their opinions as well and as detailed. Also, they come across more extreme. Nonetheless, I'm sure that if you put up a statistic, you will see there are just as many older members/GT players complaining about shortcomings of GT5.
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It has nothing to do with owning the games or being a fan of the series, but more with the realistic expectations you would have with a game after following its troubles, trajectory and insights day to day.
I'm sure there are big fans out there that don't know much about sales or how to write correctly "Polyphony", they just wait until the game is out and buy it to play.
Was the quote he write about the gaming reviews focus in a game like GT.
Exacty, was only pointing a tendence that could explain some things. There are opinions from new members that are more knowledgeable than some with a ton of messages.What makes an opinion worthwhile and meaningfull are the arguments that are made to support it, not the date of registration or the post count
Yes it could be much better in details but as a whole is a great package, and very capable of provide a better GT experience than GT5P or GT4, at least for me!
A little reminder of how simple is the GT concept:
Maybe you know the story about how Gran Turismo got started because Kazunori Yamauchi, on his first day in the Sony Computer Entertainment offices, wrote out a sample game design idea consisting only of the words "I want to drive my car on my television."
A public poll would be interesting, sure there are complains in both camps but I'm speaking more of the angry borderline trolling type than the constructive complain.
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Yes Kaz hoped for his personal project he could have "when it's done" as a release date, but the board on which he sits as a group realized they had to make a decision somewhere. He isn't the only one making the call, but he alst isn't uninvolved in the decision either.
As for what people would have believed in 2005, I think they would absolutely have believed it... you know why? People in 2005 were already hyping GT5 up to be better than it is! All those press conferences with presentations and bullet points about what would be in GT5? Everyone was on those like white on rice and suggesting how GT5 could be outrageously better than the PD hype machine ever even made it out to be...
There were people from early on who basically assumed everything in GT5 would look just like the promo videos PD released or better.
Same people who believed the bullshots that were somehow labled GTPSP that were OBVIOUSLY PS3 quality assets.
I don't know where you have been but what people would believe GT5 could be has always been way more than it could ever be.
In 2005 people would have believed GT5 would be full 1080p at 60fps frame locked with every car ever made on over 100 tracks with a GT Mode twice as big as GT5 and tuning and upgrade options that blow away GT4's and physics so perfect there would never be better ones.
And as for assuming the age of people as to why they don't "get" GT5... it's funny I have always kind of felt that the youngers are the one's who tend to go full fanboy as I relate that kind of behavior to being in the teen years.
I can assure you I have plenty of years under my belt and plenty of GTs under my belt and am as qualified as any to say that GT5 is not good and fails in key areas of what GT5 is "about".
As for realistic expectations - read anything in the year before GT5 came out on this forum... I was considered the consumate troll becaue I kept talking about how things in GT5 weren't going to live up to the hype... not ony did I have realistic expectations, I was trying to educate everyone else on why their expectations were so unraesonable...
And even I, with my reasonable set of expectations (I expected GT5 to be as enjoyable or more than GT4 on all relative fronts) was let down.
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If you're where you're not supposed to be, the AI can be pretty stupid.
But I've had surprises here and there. If you brake properly (and not 100 meters before the proper braking point), the AI back off really quickly and give you lots of room. And you can actually nudge the AI off-line (without banging) and "psyche" them out... making them drive into the grass, or weaving and brake-checking them.
Still not perfect. But if you drive well, the only AI gaffe that matters is how they fall asleep for half-a-race before actually giving you a tiny bit of challenge.
But I've had surprises here and there. If you brake properly (and not 100 meters before the proper braking point), the AI back off really quickly and give you lots of room. And you can actually nudge the AI off-line (without banging) and "psyche" them out... making them drive into the grass, or weaving and brake-checking them.
Still not perfect. But if you drive well, the only AI gaffe that matters is how they fall asleep for half-a-race before actually giving you a tiny bit of challenge.
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AI is really not a good competitor. I have not raced that much in Arcade, but i spent the afternoon today racing on the ring, in expert mode with some of my favorite cars (458,SLS and LFA..) and i easily win with just an oil change done to the car. Its disappointing as the first half lap, it looks like you are going to have to really push to win, but once you have passed the first 6 cars, they are all easy to pass one by one.
Another thing i hate is the cars the IA choses to fill the grid.
Sure we can race 16 cars but it's actually 7 different cars most of the time as you get 2 of each model..(2 Mc F1, 2 Citroen Gt, 2 SLR, 2 Corvette ZR1 etc..). I wish i could pick the grid myself since IA is to stupid to populate a 15 cars grid...
Another thing i hate is the cars the IA choses to fill the grid.
Sure we can race 16 cars but it's actually 7 different cars most of the time as you get 2 of each model..(2 Mc F1, 2 Citroen Gt, 2 SLR, 2 Corvette ZR1 etc..). I wish i could pick the grid myself since IA is to stupid to populate a 15 cars grid...
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At the end he has to accept what others with more weight in the executive would decide, that is the Sony pressure(not only SCEI).
The hype was not my discussion, hype is a personal thing and there is a line between keeping things realistic and unrealistic, as much as god or bad.
In 2005 people were dreaming with this conceptual trailer, basically a GT4 photomode in real time with more cars on track:
No Ferrari, no weather, no damage, no day time changes, no skidmarks, no interior cockpit views, no incredible detailed cars, no night racing, no track creator, etc.....
Now we have this:
And you keep asking yourself why people think that?
The "glued cars" bug was fixed in the first update...
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We had an awful lot of those things in 2007. And considering that most of the things that we didn't have in 2007 (the weather, the damage, the transitions and the track creator) but finally have in GT5 are either "things the franchise should have had by GT4," or have implementations in GT5 that basically are synonymous with "half-baked design ideas" in their execution (or both), I don't see how we should be impressed with them just because GT5 has them. There were games that came out before GT4 that did most of those things much better than GT5 does.
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Again, outside the regular "make products that make money" pressure that Sony puts on all products, I don't see Sony Corporation paying much attention to any one game. SCEI however gambled pretty heavily on GT5 and the GT series in general.
While I am sure there were many execs in on the decision making process and Kaz probably wanted to plead his pet project case to go on longer and longer, ultimately I don't see that it was an "us vs them" thing. At some point Kaz had to give in and realize he was making a bad business decision and as Senior VP there weren't many people who could bulldoze him, rather he almost certainly had to give into the reality and stop stonewalling the other execs with his position.
I don't know who these "people" are you presume to speak for, but having been around this and many forums for many years now I can assure you the suppositions of what GT5 might/would be far exceed what you have listed.
As a basic example almost any flaw in the Forza series ever has been put under a magnifying glass, laughed at and then made a point for how GT will do THAT perfectly (because Kaz and PD are perfectionists and would let nothing but a perfect product out the door).
And you keep asking yourself why people think that?
That video was uploaded Dec 6. It's possible it's pre patch but part of me doesn't think so...
Either way, I have had some pretty horrifc AI stack ups just recently (nothing to that extend obviously) and of course that patch doesn't help anyone who doesn't have broadband to get said patch.
