Japanese Mission 34 is harder than US? Lap time differences

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Last night I completed Mission 34 on my friends version of GT4; the English-language American version. The Mercedes 300SL was doing a 9:16 and I was capable of getting 1st place after a few hours of slamming my head against a brick wall heh.

My version however is a Japanese import. I decided that after being able to do it on my friend's version, I could load up mine and get it over and done with.

I've been trying it for about four hours and can't get anywhere near it! The 300SL is easily pulling 9:13 lap times!

For example, the first split time on the US version says I'm 1:41 behind the 300SL. The Japanese version says I'm 1:49 behind!

Can anyone confirm this? That the Japanese version is more difficult? :grumpy:
 
Apparently the Japanese version holds you at the starting line 8 seconds longer. Is this true? If it is, then that sucks :(

I've spent the past day and a half trying to complete it on my friends version, was finally able to do it... and now they make it 8 seconds harder on my version. Dammit!

I swear, if anyone has a save game of the Japanese version that has mission 34 completed, I'm seriously thinking of buying a copy off you. I mean, I've completed it as far as I'm concerned. I feel like I've just been screwed :P
 
Well, I have the PAL version, I started at 116 secs behind, and some on these boards have had 123 secs behind. The 123 secs behind was in the NTSC versions, both japanese and US, but I've read some posts here from Europeans with PAL versions too, that they had 123 secs behind. And you did it with the US version with 116 (or 118) secs behind. So it seems that some copies have 116 secs behind and some have 123 (or 125) secs behind.
 
TS1AWD
Mine is 123 seconds behind. And with this new information, it makes me that much more pissed off at this mission.
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I believe there was an 8 secs difference, so guess it'll be 115 secs with me. Just got it by a few tenths of a second. But I'll try it again, and then I wanna beat it by 8 secs.:)
 
moosejaw
Without seeing a video of someone beating the 123-second version, I doubt I'm going to be able to find those extra seconds :(
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Search for Dori-san's M34 video. He took shortcuts around the track and just beat it by like 0.3xx secs. :scared:

Mine also has a 123 wait, and I haven't been able to pass it yet. :crazy:
 
MR8
Search for Dori-san's M34 video. He took shortcuts around the track and just beat it by like 0.3xx secs. :scared:

Mine also has a 123 wait, and I haven't been able to pass it yet. :crazy:
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I found Daan's video, but that's the 116 second version... can't find Dori-san's video though :(
 
Mine is NTSC. 123 second wait. The SL finishes consistenly in the 9'13 s, sometimes even hits some 9'12 s

Still beat it though :sly:
 
I found there's a few other things that make the Japanese version more difficult than other versions. i.e. Super License graduation test
 
I have a 100% Japanese save with all the cars in the arcade as a bonus. Needless to say I used codes for the missions I was stuck on.
 
I have the Japanese version and have never played the U.S. version...


Is the Japanese version way harder? I don't think I suck at this game...

I've beat pretty much all the races in the game fairly easily...


However, the S- License and missions in this game are ridiculously impossible. I'm stuck on 11... yes, 11.

You have to do EXACTLY what the computer demonstrates or else you fail. No other way, at all.... and the cars are total crap.

You lose .5 seconds on a turn and you're F'd. I had to get Silver on the last thing on the International A license... that took me about a week, trying for about an hour or two every day... finally got the GTR Concept Tokyo Motorshow... and I guess it was worth it. Man, that's a fast car.

I've noticed a lot of differences in the Japanese version from what I've heard on here... tuning is different too.

And the whole power-to-weight ratio is actually backwards in the Japanese version. It's weight-to-power.
 
emtiph
However, the S- License and missions in this game are ridiculously impossible. I'm stuck on 11... yes, 11.

You have to do EXACTLY what the computer demonstrates or else you fail. No other way, at all.... and the cars are total crap.

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You don't really need a perfect lap to beat most of the missions except 34. In mission 11 I've made maybe...2 small mistakes, and I still had enough time to pull the handbrake down the checker flag to finish with a 1.xxx sec lead. :)
 
MR8
You don't really need a perfect lap to beat most of the missions except 34. In mission 11 I've made maybe...2 small mistakes, and I still had enough time to pull the handbrake down the checker flag to finish with a 1.xxx sec lead. :)
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You don't even need a perfect lap to beat 34, especially if you have the 116 version. After viewing Dori-san's video and seeing him make a few mistakes, it's obvious that you don't need a perfect lap... you just need a know the limits of the track and car perform really close to the edge. When I beat my friend's 116-version mission 34, I distinctly remember turning to my friends during the replay and pointing out all my horrible mistakes. And after being able to enter the Karrussel at 6'10 on my 123-second version of the game (albeit screwing the next three minutes of the lap up), I've realized that there's almost always room for improvement.
 
So, the things I read about the Japanese version being way easier than the PAL and US NTSC versions is just ridiculous.

The official PS2 magazine wasn't too happy with GT4 in their preview, saying it was too easy (it was the Japanese). Well, but if I see these things, think the Japanese version could be the toughest.
 
moosejaw
You don't even need a perfect lap to beat 34, especially if you have the 116 version. After viewing Dori-san's video and seeing him make a few mistakes, it's obvious that you don't need a perfect lap... you just need a know the limits of the track and car perform really close to the edge. When I beat my friend's 116-version mission 34, I distinctly remember turning to my friends during the replay and pointing out all my horrible mistakes. And after being able to enter the Karrussel at 6'10 on my 123-second version of the game (albeit screwing the next three minutes of the lap up), I've realized that there's almost always room for improvement.
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Possibly so. I've only gave M34 maybe 10 tries, and left the race each time I get a penalty. The closest I've been was +17secs in a clean (but not fast) lap. I've done hundreds of laps at the Ring but Bergwerk will always be the corner I couldn't nail. :yuck: Gotta give it some more tries after the WRS with the new and improved MR8... :sly:
 
Well, with Bergwerk, brake late, don't go to the inside too soon, so hit the apex late, then accelerate out of the corner, then you'll have the quickest way through Bergwerk I believe and then you'll have a good speed for the long full throttle part ahead.:)
 
For me, it's trying to get the right combination of speed and turning down into Schwedenkreuz without running off into the grass. You're always pressed to keep as much speed as possible, so it's tough not to push hard over the brow.

Obviously the sweeping uphill left-hander into Adenauer Forst is difficult too. I still think I'm braking too much... but it's either that or I brake too late. Does anyone have a guide for when to brake?

For example, to brake for Aremberg, I use the graffiti on the road as a guideline; there's a pink/orange symbol on the road and I brake just after this. Does anyone have a marker for Adenauer Forst?
 
thank goodness for codebreaker that i didnt have to do that awful mission and lose any hair over :) (or happen to have a possible aneurysm)
 
moosejaw
Last night I completed Mission 34 on my friends version of GT4; the English-language American version. The Mercedes 300SL was doing a 9:16 and I was capable of getting 1st place after a few hours of slamming my head against a brick wall heh.

My version however is a Japanese import. I decided that after being able to do it on my friend's version, I could load up mine and get it over and done with.

I've been trying it for about four hours and can't get anywhere near it! The 300SL is easily pulling 9:13 lap times!

For example, the first split time on the US version says I'm 1:41 behind the 300SL. The Japanese version says I'm 1:49 behind!

Can anyone confirm this? That the Japanese version is more difficult? :grumpy:
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Huh? In the American NTSC version your first split should be somewhere around 1:49 and the 300SL should be turning 9:12 to 9:13 laps... :confused:
 
I'll confirm, the US and Japanese versions are the same, 9:12 - 9:13 times for the 300SL and a 123s delay at the start.
The PAL version has only a 115s delay and a 9:16 laptime for the 300SL, giving an overall 12s advantage.

I have struggled with M34 for the past 2 weeks now and although I can finish a clean lap in under 9:15, my best time is still 2.2s shy of 1st place. There's been a whole glut of PAL folks saying how easy this mission was, and Daan posted an excellent clean video of his triumph. It's a P!sser knowing I could be a second under the 1st place time on PAL, and 2.2 over on NTSC.

BUT, The US (and Japanese) version is just that extra bit harder and its really beginning to annoy.
I'm not the worlds fastest driver, but having raced in Div1 WRS for GT3, and having joined CFM's 80 Gold Club for GT4, I'm no slowpoke either (sorry slowpoke I know you're quicker than me, and than your name suggests!)

There's been a huge amount of discussion about M34 in the Mission hall is B***h thread (might have been B*****d, can't remember, search on Mission 34 and you'll find it) where there's some good splits to aim for and a link to a circuit map for those of you, who like me were unfamiliar with the name of most bends and significant features of the 'ring.

It can and obviously has been done, but I for one will testify that M34 in US or Japanese version is far harder than golding any of the 80 licence tests or Coffee breaks! I WILL DO IT SOON!!!!! :grumpy:
 
///M-Power
Huh? In the American NTSC version your first split should be somewhere around 1:49 and the 300SL should be turning 9:12 to 9:13 laps... :confused:
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Yeah, sorry about that... my friend has an import version, not a US version. His is in English though, mines in Japanese :)
 
Well, not all US versions have the 123 secs start. I've read some posts here from people with US versions who had 115 secs behind. And I've read posts from Europeans here with PAL versions with 123 secs behind. I myself had 115 secs behind, dunno anymore what the laptime of the 300 SL was. But I'll definately do this mission again, wanna beat him by at least 8 secs or so.:)
 
I have a US spec and its 123 secs behind the SL. I can't do any better than 5 secs behind. I wish you could at least skip past the 123 second wait so I don't feel like I'm losing some of my "zone". That whole wait just throws off my race. When doing license test you can stop as soon as you screw up and start over while in your "zone". M34 is tough one no doubt...
 
I'm on a PAL version and I start 118secs behind the 1st car, This is when the 1st car launches, not when the screen comes up. The 300SL done 9'16 on mine and i done 9.05 and beat them easy, I sortov cheated in it though, I came round a bend and the car slid over the grass and I think all 4 wheels were off and the fast few corners before the big long staright I cought the 3rd car at an auchword bit and had to overtake on the grass.

I would like to have a go of the much harder laps as it's no fun overtaking the 300SL on the main staright.
 

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