Lancia Stratos 15th Aniv Undriveable ?

[iLex]

Thanks for that 👍

Your correct & and I am as you say Wrong

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This is the kind of post that add fuel to fires on forums...

I assume you are a racing expert or a top end games developer with years of experience to come up with your statement ?

You, sir, are my new favorite person on these forums. There is nothing like ending an abusive argument only to start another in the next post. Love it.

 

[Youngun]

watch the stratos video here...

foot on the floor... one hand on the wheel... he looks like he's really fighting it...



THE GAME IS INCORRECT... for the last time...

Yes its Marku Allen driving.. but look at the LACK of steering wheel input... that car does not look likely to swap ends at any second.
He even states " its so easy to drive" ... is he wrong ??

Chris harris says .. the car feels very balanced .... is he wrong too ????

I am not going to keep giving you advice ..and proving my statements... understand... the physics in GT are incorrect.

Soo drives like most would after getting to grips with it. Not accelerating through corners to stop yawing and making a smooth line with out jerking. A. Those tyres a almost semi slick and purpose built to rally cars B. Hes not new to those kind of cars C. Its is balanced and agile but needs to be treated differetly to others.

It corners great if you "general term" can understand the cars personality. I never counter steer and half throttle through most bends but 100% eslewhere, goodwood is a prim example where i beat the quattros gold time as well as the stratos'.

 

[SPORTVAN]

You, sir, are my new favorite person on these forums. There is nothing like ending an abusive argument only to start another in the next post. Love it.

Well its quite frustrating when people who Don't have a clue what they are on about spouting off... glad I amuse you though... lol 👍

 

[SPORTVAN]

Soo drives like most would after getting to grips with it. Not accelerating through corners to stop yawing and making a smooth line with out jerking. A. Those tyres a almost semi slick and purpose built to rally cars B. Hes not new to those kind of cars C. Its is balanced and agile but needs to be treated differetly to others.

It corners great if you "general term" can understand the cars personality. I never counter steer and half throttle through most bends but 100% eslewhere, goodwood is a prim example where i beat the quattros gold time as well as the stratos'.

Some say its undriveable in GT

most say its a hard car to master & this is realistic because that's what a Stratos was like...

The two pro's say its easy to drive...

I give up...

 

[Tommy_861]

Some say its undriveable in GT

most say its a hard car to master & this is realistic because that's what a Stratos was like...

The two pro's say its easy to drive...

I give up...

You completely ignored my query, you said it defies the laws of physics. WHAT LAWS does it defy? If you are an expert then please explain to us, technically, what is wrong with the car.

 

[Kaaosherra]

The youtube video has nothing to do with this thread. It's a race car on race tires, and driven slow on purpose.

 

[SPORTVAN]

You completely ignored my query, you said it defies the laws of physics. WHAT LAWS does it defy? If you are an expert then please explain to us, technically, what is wrong with the car.

Look ...

I don't profess to be an expert ( you said that ), nor did I say .. It defies the laws of physics.. ( you cam up with that remark also.. or did you have help with it ? )

How about you just accept the fact.. most of the people on this thread say the lancia is a hard car to drive... and there are two pro drivers on video saying the complete opposite.

All I did and said .. is that the game is incorrect.. and frankly in an indirect way.. all the posters saying its hard to drive have backed me up... Chris & Marku have cleared that up.

If GT had the physics correct .. it would be " easy to drive " ... Surely ... as the Two Pro's said.

 

[SPORTVAN]

The youtube video has nothing to do with this thread. It's a race car on race tires, and driven slow on purpose.

Pahahahahaha.... driven slow on purpose ... ok .. sure. I suppose he drove it slow because it was SO hard to handle.. please .. just dont

 

[eSZee]

Sorry ... go and watch the video I linked to..

There was no correcting oversteer... and no fighting the wheel... and he was not hanging around.

DAMN IT... it must be the real car that has the faults.

What does it take for GT FANBOYS to admit fault !!

Is the car in the video a regular Stratos like in the game or is it a rally car?
I hope you're not saying that a MR car with a stupidly short wheel base and a lot of power is EASY to drive race?

 

[Kaaosherra]

Pahahahahaha.... driven slow on purpose ... ok .. sure. I suppose he drove it slow because it was SO hard to handle.. please .. just dont

Markku is over 60, and he is driving journalists around at a Pirelli promo day. You think he's going to floor it like it's 1978 again?

The physics in GT6 might be broken, but this video is not relevant to that.

 

[SPORTVAN]

Is the car in the video a regular Stratos like in the game or is it a rally car?
I hope you're not saying that a MR car with a stupidly short wheel base and a lot of power is EASY to drive race?

OMG ..another... im not saying its easy.. but two pro drivers are...

All I am saying is the physics in GT are wrong.. the car spins to easily.. and the grip levels of the tyres are not right. There are other cars too ... but If I mention anymore i'll maybe be kicked from the forum for bad mouthing GT... and proving its faults.

 

[SPORTVAN]

Markku is over 60, and he is driving journalists around at a Pirelli promo day. You think he's going to floor it like it's 1978 again?

The physics in GT6 might be broken, but this video is not relevant to that.

Whatever...

He's going plenty fast enough to spin it.. if it were so violent.. as posters on here make out.

come up with something sensible ... or please keep it to yourself..

Of course its relevant.. its a Stratos

If you tune up the car in GT ... with " racing suspension " and race tires... whats not relevant.

 

[Bigbazz]

Aside from being driven slow it's also on those new Pirelli tyres, probably specifically setup for the event and is driven by a rally driver legend. Also, which version of the Stratos are we comparing here? The road car? The rally car? I'm using the 15th anniversary car as comparison, find it pretty crazy to drive fast but I can manage it without much issue, and I'm no Sandro Munari.


I'm sure it's not perfect though, when you have 1200 cars and a physics engine that is generally accepted to be inferior to many of the PC sims it's not surprising that some or many of the cars are never going to be absolutely right. To say it's undrivable though is more than an overstatement.

 

[eSZee]

OMG ..another... im not saying its easy.. but two pro drivers are...

All I am saying is the physics in GT are wrong.. the car spins to easily.. and the grip levels of the tyres are not right. There are other cars too ... but If I mention anymore i'll maybe be kicked from the forum for bad mouthing GT... and proving its faults.

Not this guy again(see what I did there)
I can only assume people have correctly pointed out your "evidence" is poor at best?
Having said that, if your VIDEO is evidence of it being easy to drive, then any google result stating it's difficult to drive, by a formidable driver, carries the same weight.
I'm not saying the car is done correctly in GT6, not much is done correctly in GT6, but it's childish of you to simply state "but If I mention anymore i'll maybe be kicked from the forum for bad mouthing GT... and proving its faults", because you've run out of any good arguments to help your point.

 

[Kaaosherra]

I'd still like some good Stratos driver to do a fast lap on some other car with a similar PP, and then try to beat it with the Stratos.

I think this thread is about ready to be wrapped up. The people have decided that the Stratos is not undriveable. Whether or not it's realistic, is a different discussion.

 

[SPORTVAN]

OK .. I have put forward my side of this debate and fended off many attackers with factual information.

I don't know what else I have to do or say.

if your a GT fanboy and no matter what will not admit that there could be something wrong with GT .. excellent.. and good for you.

If you think two pro drivers statements are false... because they don't say what you want them to say.. excellent and good for you.

I have tried to highlight an error in the hope it may get fixed.

It seems .. I am full of S*#t ..and I should go away and keep my opinions to myself... so that's exactly what I will do.

Come to your own conclusions..

I really don't care anymore...

 

[Bigbazz]

I'd still like some good Stratos driver to do a fast lap on some other car with a similar PP, and then try to beat it with the Stratos.

I think this thread is about ready to be wrapped up. The people have decided that the Stratos is not undriveable. Whether or not it's realistic, is a different discussion.

The Stratos is not really a good/fast car in real life. If you look at classic rally builders/tuners then it's generally accepted that the Stratos is not a fast car. You see a lot of guys building old Porsches into genuine racing machines. Chris Harris did a video with a guy doing just that and he asked about the Stratos and the guy said "you'le not find a quick Stratos".

It was good back in the day, especially on the tarmac because of it's quick turn in being an MR car, and its short wheelbase. But it was rallying around tight country roads and villages, not wide open circuits at high racing speeds. By todays standards the only reason the Stratos was good was because the competition was worse.

 

[Tommy_861]

It seems .. I am full of S*#t ..and I should go away and keep my opinions to myself... so that's exactly what I will do.

Without giving us a WHY, with some FACTS, this is about as true of a statement you can make about yourself.

 

[SPORTVAN]

Without giving us a WHY, with some FACTS, this is about as true of a statement you can make about yourself.

Whatever . what factual information did you provide in any of this.. " I drive race cars " ... nice.

Just leave it there yeah, there's a good lad.

 

[Tommy_861]

Whatever . what factual information did you provide in any of this.. " I drive race cars " ... nice.

Just leave it there yeah, there's a good lad.

Look if you are who you say you are (and I actually do believe you) then if you're gonna make a claim like this then POST AN EXPLANATION.

It doesn't matter what I am or said, in the end you haven't proven your point. You are expecting us just to take your opinion because you say that it was your job. Well if it was your job then PROVE YOUR POINT, it shouldn't be hard.

 

[Vagabond]

Why don't you both leave it there? Particularly as your debate is moot anyway....

The salient point is how to get around the lift off oversteer with the Stratos, which is simply to keep some trailing throttle and brake more in a straight line. Most MR cars in GT have this handling quirk, which is rather exaggerated admittedly. A mate of mine used to have a Triumph Vitesse that did the same thing (even though that was front engined of course); scared the crap out of me that bugger.

The Stratos Rally car in GT5 also did it but smooth and steady wins the race:

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[SPORTVAN]

Why don't you both leave it there?

I have politely asked to leave it there

 

[FishHunters]

Love the Stratos. Great rally car! Don't like the Scirroco!

 

[Bigbazz]

I wanted to get a more hands on perspective as I had not driven this car for a while. Just took the Stratos Anniversary edition to the Nurburgring.

Comfort Soft tyres.
H-Shifter + clutch with heel/toe
No aids, No ABS.

Took it around the ring in 8:29 on my first try, which is not bad for a little 220 Bhp street car from the 1970s, not bad at all. Infact it's probably a lot faster than the real car could do the ring.

Didn't push hard and so could have made more time if I wanted. I had 3 "moments" during the lap. One where the gear went into N on a downshift due to the stupid broken clutch but I saved it before anything could happen. Second was in the downhill left/right twisty section quite a bit into the lap, I lifted off the throttle too fast on weight transfer and had a big oversteer moment but I caught it before it turned into anything serious and didn't really lose much time. Finally I had an oversteer moment on the corner entering the back straight towards the end of the lap, was able to catch it before anything happened.

Aside from that I was in full control for the whole lap with no slides or moments, felt in control of the car and could drive it with some reasonable confidence. With a few more laps I could push it a lot harder and shave off a lot of time. I honestly don't see what the issue is.

For what it's worth I didn't do a lot of throttle + brake crossover technique, infact almost none. So long as you always have the throttle covered to balance the oversteer, avoid lifting too much while turning and brake in a straight line as much as possible you won't have issues. The car is fine, people underestimate the skill levels of rally drivers.

 

[RAZRr1275]

I don't understand why people are saying "x professional driver said it was easy and composed". That's not responsive to the people who say it's a driving style issue. There's an obvious caveat to taking a pro drivers expressions of "it's easy and composed if you know what you're doing"

 

[teth75]

First time i took the audi aniv out at spa it was way to stiff and had way to much downforce for that track by default. Had to raise ride hight, soften the spring rate and lower downforce.
Maybe anniversary cars are over tuned by default?

 

[Bigbazz]

I dunno about tuned by default, the Stratos Anniversary specs look right to me. 980kg and 220bhp with standard (non racing) parts all round. Why the lap is so fast I have no idea (and it will do a much faster time than that, I wasn't pushing), the car is faster than the real thing by quite a margin, at best I was probably expecting a 9minute time.

I genuinely think the issue is that people don't know how to drive it and are trying to drive it way too fast.

 

[paul loatman]

watch the stratos video here...

foot on the floor... one hand on the wheel... he looks like he's really fighting it...



THE GAME IS INCORRECT... for the last time...

Yes its Marku Allen driving.. but look at the LACK of steering wheel input... that car does not look likely to swap ends at any second.
He even states " its so easy to drive" ... is he wrong ??

Chris harris says .. the car feels very balanced .... is he wrong too ????

I am not going to keep giving you advice ..and proving my statements... understand... the physics in GT are incorrect.

That car has full racing slicks, it also has wider wheels than the car mentioned in the title of this thread. Not only that but Marku even says himself that he wasn't really pushing the car in the very video you've posted, so clearly not flat out.

Put wider racing tires on the Stratos and it'll be much easier to drive, that's just common sense.

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

I dunno about tuned by default, the Stratos Anniversary specs look right to me. 980kg and 220bhp with standard (non racing) parts all round. Why the lap is so fast I have no idea (and it will do a much faster time than that, I wasn't pushing), the car is faster than the real thing by quite a margin, at best I was probably expecting a 9minute time.

I genuinely think the issue is that people don't know how to drive it and are trying to drive it way too fast.

Maybe lower grip tire would make it closer to real car speed ? It was made in the 70's when factory road tires were not that grippy, I have a no ABS video made long ago in GT5 with comfort hard tire at Nurb GP ( stock Stratos ), and it's fun to drive. Does the GT6 Stratos harder to drive than in GT5 - assuming both are stock and on comfort hard tire ? The GT5 version with inferior tire model was still very much drivable on comfort hard

 

[Bigbazz]

Maybe lower grip tire would make it closer to real car speed ? It was made in the 70's when factory road tires were not that grippy, I have a no ABS video made long ago in GT5 with comfort hard tire at Nurb GP ( stock Stratos ), and it's fun to drive. Does the GT6 Stratos harder to drive than in GT5 - assuming both are stock and on comfort hard tire ? The GT5 version with inferior tire model was still very much drivable on comfort hard

I didn't try it on the comfort hard but yeah that would be a much more realistic tyre choice. Even so the laptime seemed surprising to me because it was not even close to pushing hard. I don't have much experience with the Stratos from GT5 as It took me a long long time to buy it (i think from the online dealership collection, it never showed up in used lot and it was one of the cars I was looking out for, along with the Mclaren F1 race car) and by that time i'd lost interest with GT5.

Too many great sims out there. I have to say that after driving that lap earlier the Stratos is one of my favourite cars in GT6, I really enjoyed myself. It's a scary car but not difficult to drive when you treat it right.