Logitech G27 Guide

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I'm really struggling with counter-steering on my G25 as well. With the controller, a quick flick of the analog stick is all that is required. I can easily correct any oversteer. It's a blast driving in higher powered FR cars. With the G25, I'm lucky to catch it 20% of the times the back end steps out.

Is this just learned with practice? Or are there optimal settings that I'm missing? I have all assists turned off. I understand that I need to match throttle input to opposite lock, but I simply can't turn the wheel fast enough without going into snap oversteer...

Any help appreciated since I really want to use the wheel, but the controller is way more fun since I can control oversteer.
 
I'm really struggling with counter-steering on my G25 as well. With the controller, a quick flick of the analog stick is all that is required. I can easily correct any oversteer. It's a blast driving in higher powered FR cars. With the G25, I'm lucky to catch it 20% of the times the back end steps out.

Is this just learned with practice? Or are there optimal settings that I'm missing? I have all assists turned off. I understand that I need to match throttle input to opposite lock, but I simply can't turn the wheel fast enough without going into snap oversteer...

Any help appreciated since I really want to use the wheel, but the controller is way more fun since I can control oversteer.

Just stick with it... it takes a while to get used to the a wheel.

You need to learn to balance throttle and steering to catch slides, it's not just a matter of pilling on the opposite lock... and that will come as you get more time and experience.
 
Also struggled a bit when using G27 with GT5 for the first time. But when you get a hold of it, its pure joy. All the way. The FF gives you such a goo feeling of the road beneath you and how the ca behaves. I only use 1 tho, and power steering on. And for me, that works perfect. No issues!

And if you start using the paddels (behind the wheel) you do not need to clutch. When you clutch it wil gear to whatever the stick is positioned in. So if you are in 4 and the stick is in 3. You clutch...it wil go to 3. You can just shift upwards with the right (no clucth) to go to 5.
 
Is it just me or is the game not using the full 900 degrees of my g27? Its definitely only using roughly 180 a side for a full turn (so only about 360 overall).. Is there a setting somewhere that I can tweak for this?
 
Is it just me or is the game not using the full 900 degrees of my g27? Its definitely only using roughly 180 a side for a full turn (so only about 360 overall).. Is there a setting somewhere that I can tweak for this?

I think you're right... I was sat on the start line of the 4th event in the Grand Tour last night in the Focus WRC. When I turned my G27 around 180* I could see the wheel on the Ford tunr far more than I'd expect.

Seems wierd, but when I'm playing the game it does feel realistic/right so I'm not going to ask too many questions!
 
I wanted the G27, it was the only thing I didnt get before the game got here. But reading all this, should I just buy the cheaper DFGT that was meant for PS3, since the G27 isnt perfectly matched for the game?

Mine works great and I have a driving force pro as well which is pretty close to a driving force GT. I definitely prefer my G27 any day even with it missing some functions i care nothing about....
 
I think you're right... I was sat on the start line of the 4th event in the Grand Tour last night in the Focus WRC. When I turned my G27 around 180* I could see the wheel on the Ford tunr far more than I'd expect.

Seems wierd, but when I'm playing the game it does feel realistic/right so I'm not going to ask too many questions!

If you are going by how much the driver turns the wheels its not accurate as the wheels still turn further. The developers obviously didn't want to ugly up the driver actions by having him pass the wheel most likely because they couldn't make that look smooth.
 
Also struggled a bit when using G27 with GT5 for the first time. But when you get a hold of it, its pure joy. All the way. The FF gives you such a goo feeling of the road beneath you and how the ca behaves. I only use 1 tho, and power steering on. And for me, that works perfect. No issues!

And if you start using the paddels (behind the wheel) you do not need to clutch. When you clutch it wil gear to whatever the stick is positioned in. So if you are in 4 and the stick is in 3. You clutch...it wil go to 3. You can just shift upwards with the right (no clucth) to go to 5.

You can also choose to change back and forth between shifting methods at any time just by bumping a paddle. If you want to shift with the h shifter that can be done with no clutch or with clutch. To switch between them just bump a paddle and continue shifting with the H shifter with no clutch. Any time you need the clutch just press it and its re enable and can be back disabled with a paddle shifter.
 
If you are going by how much the driver turns the wheels its not accurate as the wheels still turn further. The developers obviously didn't want to ugly up the driver actions by having him pass the wheel most likely because they couldn't make that look smooth.

Well, whatever it is.. the game is definitely not using the full 900 degree spectrum of the wheel. If you try turning the wheel past the lock point the car's wheels won't turn anymore.

Just feels unrealistic that there a lot of dead space not being used.
 
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So I took the time to e-mail Logitech about the problems with the G27 and recieved the following response from Jay-R at Logitech Customer Care:

"Regarding your issue, we have submitted this already to our product specialist and they are still working on it. don't worry Cory, as soon as they have the accurate resolution for this kind of issue, we will notify you via email."

I also e-mailed Sony....stay tuned.
 
I've been using the G27, and am generally pleased with it. I think the biggest issue is not being able to control the degrees of rotation on the wheel. More specifically, I think the default wheel setting has too many degrees of rotation. You have to crank the wheel a long way to get the steering input you're after.

I believe this is the primary reason we see so many people complaining that they can't catch oversteer situations, etc. They can't quickly dial in enough correction with a quick flick of their hands. I have probably driven 50 different real cars on racetracks over the years, and I have more problems smoothly catching oversteer in GT5 than I've ever had in any of the real cars. In real life you have so many sensory inputs...you can feel what's happening at the tires, attitude/yaw of the car, tires screeching, etc. Your whole body is telling you what your hands should be doing. That's ultimately what the game is trying to do, but it's tough to simulate.

If the degrees of rotation could be finely controlled however, I think quick hands would come into play and really help with corrections. As it stands with the default settings on the G27, when I give the car a quick correction like I would in real life, it never feels like I've given enough steering input. I have to exaggerate my steering inputs to get the car to react with some semblance of reality. In other words, if I normally would move my right hand from 3 o'clock to 12 o'clock when dialing in a little opposite lock, I intentionally try to crank in some extra lock, going from 3 o'clock to 9 o'clock with that hand instead. This works sometimes...but other times doesn't seem to be enough, or it is too much and will send the car into a tank slapper (or spin). It's imprecise trying to guess how much extra lock to overcompensate with. In a real car, on a real track, with normal radius turns, you never really have to move your hands from their 3ish and 9ish positions when counter steering (unless you're either spinning, or if you're an autoXer who just likes shuffle steering around super tight turns. :crazy:).

I know Fanatec solved this issue by having the degrees of rotation independently adjustable of the game on the fly. That is the ideal solution in my opinion. Unfortunately, I didn't want to deal with all of the horror stories about customer service, quality, etc. that go along with the Fanatec products (based on my research, not personal experience). I'd rather have a pretty good driving experience all of the time, rather than a really good one on the few occasions when you can make it work!

I think allowing that single adjustment would take the experience with the G27 from being pretty decent to far more fun and realistic.
 
So I took the time to e-mail Logitech about the problems with the G27 and recieved the following response from Jay-R at Logitech Customer Care:

"Regarding your issue, we have submitted this already to our product specialist and they are still working on it. don't worry Cory, as soon as they have the accurate resolution for this kind of issue, we will notify you via email."

I also e-mailed Sony....stay tuned.

Got the following reply today from Kimberley M. at Sony....

"I apologize for any inconvenience you may be experiencing with the Logitech Steering Wheel you have purchased to use with Gran Turismo 5. I understand this issue can be frustrating. I recommend that you contact Logitech directly. It may be possible that the controller ie not compatible with the software of the PlayStation(R)3 computer entertainment system. If you require additional assistance, please contact me."

Good News: They replied to my e-mails
Bad News: The G27 probably won't be supported any patch soon :ouch:
 
This is completely un-f-ing-believable. I've had this game on pre-order for what, 2 years now? The post office f's up, and it takes a week to get here after the release. Finally gets here today, and I let it install for an hour, and I finally go to play, sit through one of the worst game intros I've ever seen or rather heard, and the G25/27 is nowhere to be found in the settings.

I have to hack it like Prologue, and there are 6 pages of issues in this thread? In the last four years they couldn't add support for the best and only legitimate shifter wheel in the market. I bought it specifically for this game along with the Playseats almost two years ago.

They've added Nascar, kart racing, a super advanced photo mode, 1000 cars, and didn't think G25/27 support was important? Words can not express how pissed I am, I may just snap the damn disc in half.
 
This is completely un-f-ing-believable. I've had this game on pre-order for what, 2 years now? The post office f's up, and it takes a week to get here after the release. Finally gets here today, and I let it install for an hour, and I finally go to play, sit through one of the worst game intros I've ever seen or rather heard, and the G25/27 is nowhere to be found in the settings.

You're dutch probably right?
Had the same problems here with TNT postal services, ordered it 6 months or so ago, finally got it now, only to find out Sony & Logitech are 'deliberately' not supporting the G25 and G27. This because they have a bundle for GT5 with the Driving Force Pro.

I'm not totally furious, but it is as you say, 'totally un-****ing believable' that they (with GT5) pretend not to be the best driving simulator on the market, whilst not supporting the best (non 800 euro/dollar +) racing wheel setups.

Though we can yell as hard as we want, it's a money triggered decision.
They'll probably wait till the christmas holidays are over and most bundles are shipped, then decide to patch it and make it G27 compatible (and not G25 to please logitech for another few 100's of k's, though the steering wheel is technically the same except for the rpm lights and extra buttons/ the rest is virtually identical).

Mark my words, marketing is a bitch. And we ain't getting any :P
 
To the people saying the G27 has issues and misses 2nd gear:

I once thought this was the case as well, but there is nothing wrong with the G27. If there were something wrong, then it would miss 2nd gear even when the clutch is not activated, but you will notice that when shifting without the clutch, it never misses. The problem, I have found, arises when you reach the top of the power band in first gear and your wheels are spinning, it will miss 2nd gear because you are not actually up to speed. If you ride 1st gear up the power band as quickly as possible without spinning your tires, you will not miss when shifting to 2nd gear.


To the people asking if the G27 is worth it:

Yes the G27 is worth it, and it was well worth the $300 I paid for it. The DFGT is a good wheel, but no clutch, no ability to place the H shifter where you want it, and pedals that are quite subpar when compared to that of the G27. People tend to complain about the clutch sometimes and they complain that the wheel is not "officially supported" but this has not affecting my gaming experience at all. I love the wheel and I love the option to switch from H shifter to clutch with H shifter to paddles, sometimes all in the same race. The wheel feels better and makes less noise than cheaper wheels, and if you get yourself a decent racing seat it doesn't get any better.

Personally I built a cockpit out of PVC a la the simul8r design, and couldn't be happier with it.
 
The simple answer right now seems to be "NO"... you cannot map the buttons.
I was hoping to be able to move the clutch to brake and then current brake to e-brake on the foot pedals but you can't customize anything. There is a fight going on between Logitech and Polyphony... hopefully if enough people voice their displeasure, we will see some changes.

As it is right now, I am going to e-mail Sony, Polyphony and Logitech and let them know that I am not happy. I can deal with the issues outlined by these posts, understeer, oversteer, poor braking, settings, etc... but not being FULLY SUPPORTED is inexcusable! Why did I spend $350 on a controller that I can't even configure?

Never mind that I can't configure it... heck... the buttons don't even appear on the options layout because the G27 is not even properly supported! I was having a lot of fun with this game until I bought this wheel. The G27... the best there is supposedly...? It is frustrating because I am having to go all the way back to the beginning of the game and drive Clubman entry cars just to stay on the track.
 
I too am a G27 owner. I desperately want to be able to re-map buttons at least. I am (somewhat) okay with not having 6 of the buttons I paid for working. I just hope they don't claim that it's because it doesn't work fully with the PS3. Dirt 2 can use all of the buttons on a G27, only thing missing is the clutch. If Codemasters can do it, I know PD can.
 
I'm really struggling with counter-steering on my G25 as well. With the controller, a quick flick of the analog stick is all that is required. I can easily correct any oversteer. It's a blast driving in higher powered FR cars. With the G25, I'm lucky to catch it 20% of the times the back end steps out.

Is this just learned with practice? Or are there optimal settings that I'm missing? I have all assists turned off. I understand that I need to match throttle input to opposite lock, but I simply can't turn the wheel fast enough without going into snap oversteer...

Any help appreciated since I really want to use the wheel, but the controller is way more fun since I can control oversteer.

That is exactly how I was when I got my DFGT. You learn to catch it, as I have so far. For me the trick is to let off the gas as the rear starts to slide (between 1/2 to all gas, this takes practice), apply counter-steer, and if necessary brake while applying counter steer. Still working on keeping the tail from sliding out, but I wouldn't have it any other way. I love "driving" a driving game.
 
Would appreciate any guidance to get even the '~90%' functionality people are reporting with g27 in gt5.

Purchased a G27 in June 2010 and have used 3 times in anticipation of GT5 release. With GT5P I can get the well reported H-shifter and clutch functioning well (with no paddle shifter capability as expected).

However, in GT5 I am getting the following:
- H-shifter mapping completely off. Second gear not recognized no matter how you shift into it (i.e. neutral then second, etc.). Third gear (middle top position of H shifter) puts the car in second, fourth into third, etc. No reverse capability on H-shifter at all. Again, all of this works fine in GT5P so I know it is not a problem with my G27 hardware.
- Paddle Shifters? Nada. The right hand shifter actually downshifts the car. The left hand shifter does nothing. Can't verify if this is an issue with G27 hardware because they were never meant to work in GT5P.
Result is that G27 is totally useless in GT5 unless I put it into automatic transmission which is an absurd use of this hardware.

Just so you know, following this procedure:
1) Everything off and unattached (PS3 turned off in the back).
2) Plug G27 into separate wall outlet, then into PS3 USB port.
3) Power up PS3 and launch GT5.

Add me to the list of bewildered consumers as to how there could be no native support of this device given it was advertised as compatible.

I'm happy to wait if it is clear that Polyphony and Logitech are going to work this out. But given that I can't even get what most people report as working (i.e. at least paddle shifters), will Logitech verify that my hardware will even work before the warranty expires?

Can anybody point out something I may be missing?
 
Hmmm... My G27 is working flawlessly except for the button mapping. Try some of the following if you have not yet.
1) G27 USB in slot 1 on PS3
2) Press PS button on controller and assign hand controller as "controller 1" or try it as "controller 2"
3) when you turn on the system the wheel should self turn full revolutions and the rev lights should self test. If it doesn't self turn I would guess that it is not communicating with the system.
 
Ok, here is a new G27 owner desperated.....

I just unpacked & plugged everything, i plugged the G27 directly to PS3 port #1 USB (no Dual Shock on).

Then went to a race and.....the pedals are working, as well as the H shifter and the Paddle shifters.

But the wheel doesn't move, and there isnt any FF neither.

What am I doing wrong?

:grumpy:
 
Ok first post ever! I've been an avid reader for sometime but felt I had to post in this thread.

OK I'm also disappointed the wheel isn't officially supported in GT5. I bought my wheel (including wheel stand pro) specifically for F1 2010 and GT5. Works like a dream in F1, in GT5 as everyone reading this thread knows, it isn't officially supported. Even so I think the wheel is fantastic for GT5. The only thing that I can't do is remap buttons, but that isn't that much of a pain. I can't assign wiper/horns but I probably wouldn't use these anyway. I've put god knows how many hours into GT so far and I've never sat there thinking 'I wish I could blow my horn' (ha that sounds so wrong).

The FFB works really well, the clutch works, the paddle shifters work, the h shifter is a dream to use.

For anyone reading this thread thinking of buying a G27 specifically for GT5 I say go for it, you won't regret it. If/when PD patch it in the future we will all be happy. If not, then it still works perfectly well.

On another note, a friend of mine bought the DFGT and to be honest for a budget wheel it does the job but believe me it isn't a patch on the G27 (even with fully customised controls).
 
Did you plug in the power to the wheel? I forgot to do this when I first got it and had the same problem.

There's a DC transformer in the box you have to use to plug into the wall.
 
I've been using the G27, and am generally pleased with it. I think the biggest issue is not being able to control the degrees of rotation on the wheel. More specifically, I think the default wheel setting has too many degrees of rotation. You have to crank the wheel a long way to get the steering input you're after.

I believe this is the primary reason we see so many people complaining that they can't catch oversteer situations, etc. They can't quickly dial in enough correction with a quick flick of their hands. I have probably driven 50 different real cars on racetracks over the years, and I have more problems smoothly catching oversteer in GT5 than I've ever had in any of the real cars. In real life you have so many sensory inputs...you can feel what's happening at the tires, attitude/yaw of the car, tires screeching, etc. Your whole body is telling you what your hands should be doing. That's ultimately what the game is trying to do, but it's tough to simulate.

If the degrees of rotation could be finely controlled however, I think quick hands would come into play and really help with corrections. As it stands with the default settings on the G27, when I give the car a quick correction like I would in real life, it never feels like I've given enough steering input. I have to exaggerate my steering inputs to get the car to react with some semblance of reality. In other words, if I normally would move my right hand from 3 o'clock to 12 o'clock when dialing in a little opposite lock, I intentionally try to crank in some extra lock, going from 3 o'clock to 9 o'clock with that hand instead. This works sometimes...but other times doesn't seem to be enough, or it is too much and will send the car into a tank slapper (or spin). It's imprecise trying to guess how much extra lock to overcompensate with. In a real car, on a real track, with normal radius turns, you never really have to move your hands from their 3ish and 9ish positions when counter steering (unless you're either spinning, or if you're an autoXer who just likes shuffle steering around super tight turns. :crazy:).

I know Fanatec solved this issue by having the degrees of rotation independently adjustable of the game on the fly. That is the ideal solution in my opinion. Unfortunately, I didn't want to deal with all of the horror stories about customer service, quality, etc. that go along with the Fanatec products (based on my research, not personal experience). I'd rather have a pretty good driving experience all of the time, rather than a really good one on the few occasions when you can make it work!

I think allowing that single adjustment would take the experience with the G27 from being pretty decent to far more fun and realistic.
+1 👍
As my handle might imply, I have a highly tuned 335i and before that an M3 and have quite a few track days (real life) under my belt and the oversteer issue does seem to be related to the amount of turn needed for the wheel. Also the throttle is a little to hard to do small increments (but thats another thing for another thread).
I don't understand why we can't have someone; PD, Logitech, Sony, well... Someone get a driver for us.
We are talking about a minimum $150.00 to max maybe $300.00 wheel here.
The $100.00 DFGT has much better support. Kind of embarassing for Logitech if you ask me and I will be buying someone elses wheel next time just because of this.
Maybe time to start looking into Thrustmaster. ((Are you reading this Logitech?))
 
Damn no, where do i have to plug it? under the wheel as well as the pedal and H shifter conections? :scared:

Only the wheel needs power. It's for the FFB. There's a connector underneath the wheel where the other connectors go. It's a little DC plug, like a computer. Just plug that up and plug it into the wall and you'll be good to go.
 
Does the G27 has sequential gear (like tiptronic) on the stick, like DFGT? I'm kind confused about that, some say yes and other no. I only know G25 has this option and i think it's pretty valuable when driving stock cars.

The paddles work without clutch too?

Just my 2 questions before buying it.
 
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