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Alonso? No. Too expensive to break the contract plus there's the CRB (Contract Recognition Board) to consider, especially if Alonso doesn't have a break clause from McLaren. Also, history with Lewis.

As I said elsewhere, it's gotta be Bottas.

- No contract to break
- Has ties to Wolff
- Has existing relationship with Mercedes (engine)
- Experienced and quick
- Williams could do with the cash from a deal
- Williams could potentially get a sweeter engine deal from Mercedes
- Bottas won't cost Mercedes the $15 million a year Rosberg did
- Mercedes could offer Wehrlein as a part exchange
- Calm and professional personality that's less likely to cause in-team issues with Lewis

Almost a no-brainer.
 

Which McLaren have answered by saying "no", we're told.

It also seems that Stuttgart might not be too happy given the amount that Alonso effectively cost them last time around.

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Both The Daily Mail and The Times report that the Spaniard's role in the 'Spygate' scandal in 2007 - when Alonso implicated in the illicit transfer of 780 pages of Ferrari technical documents to the then Mercedes-McLaren team - could come back to haunt him.

The saga cost the team around £79million at the time and 'although he is back at McLaren,' reports Jonathan McEvoy, 'Mercedes have not forgotten it as they seek a team-mate for Lewis Hamilton to replace retired world champion Nico Rosberg.'

The Times' Eason continues: 'Senior boardroom figures in Stuttgart were deeply unhappy with the affair. Some sources now believe that Mercedes would be reluctant to bring in Alonso.
 
According to the FIA entry sheet for 2017, Vandoorne and Stroll will use numbers 2 and 18 respectively.
 
Acknowledging The Daily Mail reports are like acknowledging people who believe that natural disasters are caused by homosexuality.
The Mail is more or less the Sun after it put on a tuxedo t-shirt and slicked its hair back with Crisco, so yeah.

If Mercedes top brass feels Alonso is their best bet to lock up the constructor's championship again, they'll bring him in. The corporate world doesn't hold grudges for long when there's money to be made after all (assuming any of the boardroom execs present in '07 are even still around today...)
 
My favourite stupid rumour is a very select few who think Jeff Gordon is gonna get the drive. :lol:

That's at least somewhat more plausible than those saying JPM or Stewart should switch to F1. At least he can fit in the car. :lol:
 
Yeah but that was McLaren. :sly:

So what? He still got beat by a rookie, a kid at that time that had won much less driven F1 cars for the past five years and won 2 WDC at that point. The only time I recall a history so bleak for a WDC winner was when Ricciardo was paired next to Vettel and beat Vettel a 4 time WDC at that point.
 
So what? He still got beat by a rookie, a kid at that time that had won much less driven F1 cars for the past five years and won 2 WDC at that point. The only time I recall a history so bleak for a WDC winner was when Ricciardo was paired next to Vettel and beat Vettel a 4 time WDC at that point.
But also remember that it was a bit like Webber and Vettel where Hamilton was Dennis's Golden Boy. Alonso could have won that season had there been more focus on him, the reigning champion. Despite that, 2007 happened and you bring up a valid point. However, look at the Red Bull era and you'll see Alonso consistently outperformed Hamilton despite being in a worse car. I believe 2007 was a low point in Alonso's career but he's been on the rise since then and has no doubt left us all wondering if he's one of if not THE greatest driver to ever grace an F1 cockpit.
 
So what? He still got beat by a rookie, a kid at that time that had won much less driven F1 cars for the past five years and won 2 WDC at that point. The only time I recall a history so bleak for a WDC winner was when Ricciardo was paired next to Vettel and beat Vettel a 4 time WDC at that point.
Oh you're talking about Alonso, I was talking about Lewis and his recent comment on his next teammate.
 
Oh you're talking about Alonso, I was talking about Lewis and his recent comment on his next teammate.

I'm confused, you made a comment making fun of Lewis and his inability to beat a team mate at Alonso's level, yet he's proven capable at what many would argue his most inexperienced moment in F1. Also what comment? Lewis has said a few times now, that he has not ability to pick his team mate, made mention of other top WDC driver that do (Vettle and Alonso in their contracts) and said he doesn't care who is put next to him. He'll race them all the same.

But also remember that it was a bit like Webber and Vettel where Hamilton was Dennis's Golden Boy. Alonso could have won that season had there been more focus on him, the reigning champion. Despite that, 2007 happened and you bring up a valid point. However, look at the Red Bull era and you'll see Alonso consistently outperformed Hamilton despite being in a worse car. I believe 2007 was a low point in Alonso's career but he's been on the rise since then and has no doubt left us all wondering if he's one of if not THE greatest driver to ever grace an F1 cockpit.

See this argument is always made, and it's not the same, Alonso has even as resent as this year come out at length to discuss what happened in 2007. There was no favoritism, he just fell like an outsider joining a group that knew a man from a very young age, and were excited to see the fruit of their labors come to bare. He felt strange about it, and of course it was different especially after coming away from a team run by Flavio that would wreck a driver to help Alonso win. Even Ferrari's ex personnel that had worked with him, called him a diva and aloof. And this comes over clearly many times when driving currently, where Button is far more reserved about the team.

He consistently outperformed? No 2010, Lewis had more retirements and he and Button had strategy issues which Mclaren (now Ferrari) were greatly known for. 2011 is Lewis's fault for sure, no excuses their, he let some sort of famous soon to be washed out pop singer get the better of him, and had a falling out with Anthony Hamilton. 2012 was an even worse season for Lewis and Jenson, in a car that rated highly as the best on the grid, frequently became plagued with team issues that cost critical points. For example losing pole in Spain for being under fueled.

I think the greatest driver bit is the same futile romanticized cliche given, that is only equaled with how people see Samurai, which he tends to set himself to be like. In reality there were many moments Alonso could have made thinks work and choose to play diva and let himself down. It's about time people start to do the same.

Webber is different, now I will say there is equal blame on him for not making something happen, and rather just relishing how team bosses wanted to see him gone but only on his own will. Marko didn't care for the old relics of the team before Newey and co. took over to bring them to the status we now know them. Thus younger drivers of his liking were given noted favoritism. Alonso was welcomed at McLaren, given a nearly bigger number 1 status than Vettel at Ferrari, and in the end let his ego run him afoul.
 
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So what? He still got beat by a rookie, a kid at that time that had won much less driven F1 cars for the past five years and won 2 WDC at that point. The only time I recall a history so bleak for a WDC winner was when Ricciardo was paired next to Vettel and beat Vettel a 4 time WDC at that point.
They finished on equal points. To say he was best is a tad harsh.

Also I'm willing to consider the fact that the palpable discord between the team and Alonso, contrasting the love and praise Lewis got, wouldn't have done the former much justice anyway.

Sure Alonso could have done better, but him finishing on equal points to a very talented driver is nowhere near as bleak as Vettel winning 4 in a row and getting blown out in qualifying and races by Ricciardo in his first year with the team.
 
I'm confused, you made a comment making fun of Lewis and his inability to beat a team mate at Alonso's level, yet he's proven capable at what many would argue his most inexperienced moment in F1. Also what comment? Lewis has said a few times now, that he has not ability to pick his team mate, made mention of other top WDC driver that do (Vettle and Alonso in their contracts) and said he doesn't care who is put next to him. He'll race them all the same.



See this argument is always made, and it's not the same, Alonso has even as resent as this year come out at length to discuss what happened in 2007. There was no favoritism, he just fell like an outsider joining a group that knew a man from a very young age, and were excited to see the fruit of their labors come to bare. He felt strange about it, and of course it was different especially after coming away from a team run by Flavio that would wreck a driver to help Alonso win. Even Ferrari's ex personnel that had worked with him, called him a diva and aloof. And this comes over clearly many times when driving currently, where Button is far more reserved about the team.

He consistently outperformed? No 2010, Lewis had more retirements and he and Button had strategy issues which Mclaren (now Ferrari) were greatly known for. 2011 is Lewis's fault for sure, no excuses their, he let some sort of famous soon to be washed out pop singer get the better of him, and had a falling out with Anthony Hamilton. 2012 was an even worse season for Lewis and Jenson, in a car that rated highly as the best on the grid, frequently became plagued with team issues that cost critical points. For example losing pole in Spain for being under fueled.

I think the greatest driver bit is the same futile romanticized cliche given, that is only equaled with how people see Samurai, which he tends to set himself to be like. In reality there were many moments Alonso could have made thinks work and choose to play diva and let himself down. It's about time people start to do the same.

Webber is different, now I will say there is equal blame on him for not making something happen, and rather just relishing how team bosses wanted to see him gone but only on his own will. Marko didn't care for the old relics of the team before Newey and co. took over to bring them to the status we now know them. Thus younger drivers of his liking were given noted favoritism. Alonso was welcomed at McLaren, given a nearly bigger number 1 status than Vettel at Ferrari, and in the end let his ego run him afoul.
Wasn't being entirely serious about the teammate ability thing (emoji lol), and the article I'm referring too was from just after Nico's retirement and it was posted on Racer (trying to find it). It was him stating he wanted Mercedes to find him somebody who wouldn't compete with I thought.
 
They finished on equal points. To say he was best is a tad harsh.

Well I could bring up obvious points like, the fact that count back shows why Lewis finished ahead, he had more podium finishes. He could have won an additional race in China had he not made a stupid rookie mistake. The fact that he finished 9th in a race is what put the equal tally. The fact that he showed more consistency overall is why many say he beat Alonso due to equal wins, but more podiums.

Also I'm willing to consider the fact that the palpable discord between the team and Alonso, contrasting the love and praise Lewis got, wouldn't have done the former much justice anyway.

Sure Alonso could have done better, but him finishing on equal points to a very talented driver is nowhere near as bleak as Vettel winning 4 in a row and getting blown out in qualifying and races by Ricciardo in his first year with the team.

It is though, Ricciardo is arguably just as talented as the current WDC crop and so either situation is bleak because the reigning WDC looked troubled at various points in the season against a newcomer.

Wasn't being entirely serious about the teammate ability thing (emoji lol), and the article I'm referring too was from just after Nico's retirement and it was posted on Racer (trying to find it). It was him stating he wanted Mercedes to find him somebody who wouldn't compete with I thought.

http://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/38187984
 
Losing on level points on countback of podiums 8-7 is a hell of a lot less bleak than losing by 71 points with no wins and 3 podiums to your teammate's 3 wins and 5 podiums.

Alonso was troubled by Lewis for sure, but Vettel was comprehensively beaten, even if Ricciardo may be every bit as talented as Lewis.
 
Losing on level points on countback of podiums 8-7 is a hell of a lot less bleak than losing by 71 points with no wins and 3 podiums to your teammate's 3 wins and 5 podiums.

Alonso was troubled by Lewis for sure, but Vettel was comprehensively beaten, even if Ricciardo may be every bit as talented as Lewis.

So what's the problem other than you wanting me to recognize Vettel's thrashing (which I have) as being bad, but more so you want me to claim it worse. I mean there could be arguments to why for example Vettel fell into a slump that year, perhaps new and vastly different cars were not easily to his style due to more torque, different aero, and lack of overall engine performance.

Thus accounting for the potential that there could be various reason he was weaker, because of massive changes I don't see it, so incredibly bad. Sure if the rules from 2012 to 2013 extended to 2014 and Vettel was beat in cars that were much the same of what he won WDC in, I'd say yeah it's eons worse. The fact that Vettel bounced back the next year and RBR showed.

The fact that standing WDC were highly troubled by virtual rookies to the sport was a fraction of the point being made. The point for me overall was Alonso was beat, and Lewis probably wont fear him in a team again.
 
I believe 2007 was a low point in Alonso's career but he's been on the rise since then and has no doubt left us all wondering if he's one of if not THE greatest driver to ever grace an F1 cockpit.

The greatest driver ever in F1? :lol: I see these kinds of claims about Alonso all the time, and it cracks me up every time. Once he's gone he'll be remembered as the most overrated driver of his era, if not all time. He has got a lot of talent, and is one of the best of his generation. But he's not the best of his generation, let alone all time. He's hugely overrated and the biggest prima donna F1 has seen in a very long time.


The point for me overall was Alonso was beat, and Lewis probably wont fear him in a team again.

I think Hamilton is at his peak currently, and Alonso, while incredibly talented at his peak, is well past his prime now. I doubt Alonso would do as well as Rosberg against Hamilton these days. He certainly wouldn't beat him. I'm no fan of Hamilton's, but credit where it's due, he's one of the best on the grid, and I doubt he'd be worried about anyone else on the grid getting the second Merc.

I'd like to see Ricciardo in the other Merc, because I have a suspicion he is the most talented and well rounded driver currently in the sport, and I'd love to see how he compares with Hamilton.
 
The fact that standing WDC were highly troubled by virtual rookies to the sport was a fraction of the point being made. The point for me overall was Alonso was beat, and Lewis probably wont fear him in a team again.

Whether Lewis considers Alonso a threat, or that he really thinks beating Alonso on countback of podiums can really be considered a beating rather than simply finishing ahead on a tiebreaker rule that gives podiums more value in the usually unlikely event of a tie, is up to him, but I won't buy into it and call it the huge accolade it's been made out to be all the years since it has happened.

I only really went so much into Ricciardo Vettel because that was a huge win for him, Yet while people are quick to find excuses for Vettel people dont do that for Alonso, and are only just as quick to say Alonso was schooled, or beaten.

As for who would win if they were teammates next year, my money would be on Lewis. The new cars will ask a lot more of the drivers next year, and it remains to be seen whether Alonso at his age is still as good as he has ever been, or if the way in which the pace of the sport has slowed down in the fuel/tyre conservation era has made the decline harder to spot.
 
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Whether Lewis considers Alonso a threat, or that he really thinks beating Alonso on countback of podiums can really be considered a beating rather than simply finishing ahead on a tiebreaker rule that gives podiums more value in the usually unlikely event of a tie, is up to him, but I won't buy into it and call it the huge accolade it's been made out to be all the years since it has happened.

I only really went so much into Ricciardo Vettel because that was a huge win for him, Yet while people are quick to find excuses for Vettel people dont do that for Alonso, and are only just as quick to say Alonso was schooled, or beaten.

As for who would win if they were teammates next year, my money would be on Lewis. The new cars will ask a lot more of the drivers next year, and it remains to be seen whether Alonso at his age is still as good as he has ever been, or if the way in which the pace of the sport has slowed down in the fuel/tyre conservation era has made the decline harder to spot.

Don't see why not be it Hamilton or Ricciardo, both unknowns beat their WDC team mates of higher regard. Now if you think one deserves more praise for this than the other due to various reasons, that's fine. I don't fully agree with that, but I do agree both did something that is worth notice. And I feel with time will prove both were always worlds better than their multiple WDC team mates at the time. Now obviously the argument could be made that Lewis is better than Alonso after all these years, depends really.

I don't see Alonso having issue next year, cars were harder to drive some years ago and guy his age and older were still highly competitive.
 
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