The "June", oops, "Next" Update speculation, wishlist and conspiracy theory thread

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I know that in real-life, FIA GT1 wasn't that good versus the GT500 cars of JGTC/Super GT. But the fact they competed in the same class at all tells me that I think the FIA GT1 cars will be in Gr.2 with the help of BoP.
Again, too slow for BoP to handle
I'm quite sure that DTM will be in Gr.2, at least the newer stuff.
Someone already pointed out that DTM is substantially slower than GT500, yet you also want GT1 in the same class. If DTM is already a far fetch, what so with GT1?
If there is a Gr.A and Gr.C, what sort of conventions would they follow?
GTS isn't focused on rallying, so my bet is that Gr. A would be reserved for Group A racing/touring cars like the BMW M3 E30. And let's hope that Gr. C will be for Group C that will be segregated from that damned Gr. 1 class

But alas, it's that damned PD that we're talking about :)
 
TBH, knowing how much fun PD likes to have in attempting to consolidate groups from multiple classes and timeframes (see: Gr.1, Gr.B), here are my guesses regarding how some of the cars previously seen in GT6 would be sorted into the current groups in GT Sport:

-I know that in real-life, FIA GT1 wasn't that good versus the GT500 cars of JGTC/Super GT. But the fact they competed in the same class at all tells me that I think the FIA GT1 cars will be in Gr.2 with the help of BoP. Naming examples, there's the Mercedes CLK-GTR, McLaren F1 GTR (both the '95 and '97 Longtail versions), and the Nissan R390. This could also mean several other automakers could appear in Gr.2 with their respective FIA GT1 cars, such as Maserati, Porsche, Aston Martin, BMW, Saleen, Lamborghini, Ford, Dodge Lister, and Ferrari. (Note: a GT1-spec Ferrari and Lamborghini was in the GT500 class for the 2005 Super GT season. TIL!) Not to mention the JGTC Diablo GT1 that's become so famous in Gran Turismo. There is still potential for some other GT500 cars to return to Gr.2 from the Super GT era alone: The Toyota Supra Mk.IV from the 2005 season, Lexus SC430, the Nissan GT-R R35 from 2008 (which used a V8, unlike the newer car in GT Sport which uses an i4), the Nissan Fairlady Z (Z33) from the 2006 season, the facelifted first-gen Honda NSX, the Honda HSV-010, and even the brand-new Lexus LC500, as well as the formal GT500 2nd-gen NSX to compliment the Concept-GT that's in the game.
Let me just rule this notion out entirely: The older Super GT cars will not race with the current ones because they are too slow. Nor will they place 90's GT1 in the same category, they are too different to race with them. I know Group 1 has Group C and LMP1 but they do share some similarities.

GTS isn't focused on rallying, so my bet is that Gr. A would be reserved for Group A racing/touring cars like the BMW M3 E30. And let's hope that Gr. C will be for Group C that will be segregated from that damned Gr. 1 class

But alas, it's that damned PD that we're talking about :)
Don't think that's likely because Gr.C has not been found in the code. However, Gr.A has been found in code but we don't know if it's rally or touring cars.
 
Again, too slow for BoP to handle.
Someone already pointed out that DTM is substantially slower than GT500, yet you also want GT1 in the same class. If DTM is already a far fetch, what so with GT1?

I mean, aren't there some proposed plans to merge DTM with Super GT500 in real-life? And are you seriously sure that BoP can't alleviate this? What if they just made the range of potential power/weight at the highest level just be broad enough to make it work, sort of like how you can almost half the power of the F1500T-A? DTM and Super GT500 are both known for their elaborate aero kits, after all - I think with enough power/weight changes, they could be more comparable. Heck, the Peugeot L500R VGT Gr.1 recently obtained a massive power drop with the latest BoP update.
GTS isn't focused on rallying, so my bet is that Gr. A would be reserved for Group A racing/touring cars like the BMW M3 E30.
I think that's definitely possible, too. But we should also consider that Pikes Peak is confirmed for the series, as well as various Pike Peak-spec cars like the Peugeot 208 T16. Not to mention the Pikes Peak cars in GT6, even though the course itself was absent...
And let's hope that Gr. C will be for Group C that will be segregated from that damned Gr. 1 class
But alas, it's that damned PD that we're talking about :)
Are there really enough Group C cars in existence to warrant the formation of a separate group in-game, though? Especially since Group C is the only way for some automakers like Jaguar and Mercedes to appear in Gr.1. Plus, Group C is still a sports prototype class, which fits Gr.1's official statement of being for "prototypes". I get this strong feeling that PD wants each group that they create to be very inclusive, with each group having a broad sort of defining characteristic, especially insofar that each automaker can be represented in each group in a way. And in this regard, I have a similarly strong feeling more cars will be coming to Gr.2, and not just Super GT500 cars. So if it's not DTM nor FIA GT1, idk what it would be that defines Gr.2 beyond Super GT500 cars; I feel like it'd be a shame to introduce a class that's so tiny.
Let me just rule this notion out entirely: The older Super GT cars will not race with the current ones because they are too slow. Nor will they place 90's GT1 in the same category, they are too different to race with them. I know Group 1 has Group C and LMP1 but they do share some similarities.
But even in the 90s, FIA GT1 cars raced with Super GT500, didn't they (IIRC, even a Ferrari F40 appeared in one early season)? And yeah, I totally get there's been a variety of sweeping changes over the years to the JGTC/Super GT, but isn't that what BoP is for? And between the these groups - Super GT500, JGTC GT500, DTM, and FIA GT1 - don't they all share having the extreme aero kits? Maybe that's what could define Gr.2, much like how Gr.1 is for all prototypes and not just modern LMP1.
Don't think that's likely because Gr.C has not been found in the code. However, Gr.A has been found in code but we don't know if it's rally or touring cars.
For as little as we know, it could still be planned, albeit beyond our observation.

I get the desire for real-world race cars to be grouped together, but I also really like how in GTS, it can allow for some really diverse fields that one won't find in other sims. Not to mention that they could introduce races within these groups that limits you to the cars from that real-world series. Like a Gr.1 race where you can only use the Group C race cars, or the modern LMP1s, and so on. Heck, if the car list in a future GT game gets long enough, they could even try limiting an event by a specific real-world season of a series, haha! I recall there being enough race cars in GT6 that you could actually do that, too, especially in regards to Group B, Group C, JGTC, FIA GT1, and Super GT. So you could have a race specifically populated by FIA GT1 cars from the real-world 1997 season, for example, or a JGTC race based on the 2000 season.
 
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I mean, aren't there some proposed plans to merge DTM with Super GT500 in real-life? And are you seriously sure that BoP can't alleviate this? What if they just made the range of potential power/weight at the highest level just be broad enough to make it work, sort of like how you can almost half the power of the F1500T-A? DTM and Super GT500 are both known for their elaborate aero kits, after all - I think with enough power/weight changes, they could be more comparable. Heck, the Peugeot L500R VGT Gr.1 recently obtained a massive power drop with the latest BoP update.
Yes, there are plans to merge DTM and GT500 in the future, and I did think that they are similar in terms of performance, but apparently DTM has less power, more weight, and less aero. Like I said in my argument to Group C being in Gr. 1, you can BoP the cars all you want, but not only driveability will be affected, they will also have a huge disparity in how these cars in the same class achieve the same lap times, like how Group C relies on straight line speed at La Sarthe whereas the LMP1s rely more on the corners (but in the end Group C still cannot compare to the Nissan GT-R LMP1). If this disparity isn't such a huge glaring gap in the two then I'm all for it, but it is.
Are there really enough Group C cars in existence to warrant the formation of a separate group in-game, though? Especially since Group C is the only way for some automakers like Jaguar and Mercedes to appear in Gr.1. Plus, Group C is still a sports prototype class, which fits Gr.1's official statement of being for "prototypes". I get this strong feeling that PD wants each group that they create to be very inclusive, with each group having a broad sort of defining characteristic, especially insofar that each automaker can be represented in each group in a way. And in this regard, I have a similarly strong feeling more cars will be coming to Gr.2, and not just Super GT500 cars. So if it's not DTM nor FIA GT1, idk what it would be that defines Gr.2 beyond Super GT500 cars; I feel like it'd be a shame to introduce a class that's so tiny.
Yes, there are a huge abundance of cars for Group C to warrant its own seperate class. If your argument for Gr. 2 is that it's currently small because more cars will be added, then what is stopping me from using the same argument to Gr. C? Even if we narrow down the list of possible Gr. C cars to those who comply to Group C1 regulations, the list of possible cars to add to the game is more than the list of cars that can be added to Gr. 2. Not to mention a separate Gr. C class would have more manufacturer presence than Gr. 2 (even if you add DTM to the list)
Don't think that's likely because Gr.C has not been found in the code.
Don't worry though, I know Gr. C will never happen because we all know how bizzare PD can be at times :) I'm just wishing out loud and rather aggressively
 
I think that's definitely possible, too. But we should also consider that Pikes Peak is confirmed for the series, as well as various Pike Peak-spec cars like the Peugeot 208 T16. Not to mention the Pikes Peak cars in GT6, even though the course itself was absent....

Where did you get the info for the 208 T16 being confirmed for GT sport aswell as pike's peak hillclimb. I know pd do have the license for the hillclimb but there has been no mention as to whether it will be in this game or not.
 
Hypercars could be added in Gr. 2. The PD could put the GTR versions of the hypercars in Gr. 2.
Mclaren Senna, Mclaren P1, LaFerrari FXX K, Mercedes Project One, Aston Martin Valkyrie, Porsche 918 Spider.

I do not believe PD puts the GT1 cars in GTS. They were standard GT6 cars. And they do not currently fit into any GTS category. I really like the return of the GT1 cars. But I do not believe in PD proficiency. PD works in slowmotion. I doubt she'll scan GT1 cars, while in GT6 these cars were not.
 
Hypercars could be added in Gr. 2. The PD could put the GTR versions of the hypercars in Gr. 2.
Mclaren Senna, Mclaren P1, LaFerrari FXX K, Mercedes Project One, Aston Martin Valkyrie, Porsche 918 Spider.

I do not believe PD puts the GT1 cars in GTS. They were standard GT6 cars. And they do not currently fit into any GTS category. I really like the return of the GT1 cars. But I do not believe in PD proficiency. PD works in slowmotion. I doubt she'll scan GT1 cars, while in GT6 these cars were not.
https://www.motorsport.com/wec/news/fia-confirms-new-lmp1-regulations-2020-21-1044922/
 
I think it's very likely that the Pikes Peak IHC will be added.

Gran Turismo is the main sponsor and the race will start on 24 June.
Pikes Peak is long off, for GT.
After DiRT Rally's versions of the course, Kaz had to re-evaluate his version.

They've been title sponsor for PPIHC, for years and years, now.
They came and laser scanned the course over 4 years ago.
Their 'rally' physics in GTS are horrid.
Polyphony are in no rush for an embarrassing release of a feeble version, that is garbage to drive.
 
Yes, there are plans to merge DTM and GT500 in the future, and I did think that they are similar in terms of performance, but apparently DTM has less power, more weight, and less aero. Like I said in my argument to Group C being in Gr. 1, you can BoP the cars all you want, but not only driveability will be affected, they will also have a huge disparity in how these cars in the same class achieve the same lap times, like how Group C relies on straight line speed at La Sarthe whereas the LMP1s rely more on the corners (but in the end Group C still cannot compare to the Nissan GT-R LMP1). If this disparity isn't such a huge glaring gap in the two then I'm all for it, but it is.
I totally see what you mean, but I think different cars having different advantages can be fun, especially what you mention about how Group C cars in Gr.1 have less downforce while the LMPs have more of it. Is it immersive? Well, I'm not gonna pretend it is, FWIW. But having Group C still fits in Gr.1's official statement of being for prototypes. Their words, not mine.

Yes, there are a huge abundance of cars for Group C to warrant its own seperate class. If your argument for Gr. 2 is that it's currently small because more cars will be added, then what is stopping me from using the same argument to Gr. C? Even if we narrow down the list of possible Gr. C cars to those who comply to Group C1 regulations, the list of possible cars to add to the game is more than the list of cars that can be added to Gr. 2. Not to mention a separate Gr. C class would have more manufacturer presence than Gr. 2 (even if you add DTM to the list)
Because I see potential for Gr.2 to have more than just GT500 cars, and I think that PD has a goal of including multiple real-world series in each class (even Gr.4 seems to have some hints of this, with the one-make Megane that was just added), so if there's a class full of just Group C cars (even if we did have the various subdivisions like C1 and C2) I don't think there'd be much else one could jam in there - though I suppose one could add FIA Group 5 and 6 in there, potentially, as they were the classes that preceded FIA Group C.

Plus, Group C is still the only way some automakers can be represented in Gr.1 with the current structure, unless PD wants to ask those respective automakers to make another VGT specifically for Gr.1. I personally wouldn't mind that scenario at all, tbh. Alternatively, we could wait and see what the successor to LMP1 is like. If the Mercedes-AMG Project ONE is one of these future race cars, perhaps Mercedes won't need the Sauber C9 to be included in Gr.1. But that's a good while off - both this successive series and the potential implementation of these cars into the Gran Turismo series. So it seems that the Sauber C9 will need to do for now.

Don't worry though, I know Gr. C will never happen because we all know how bizzare PD can be at times :) I'm just wishing out loud and rather aggressively
I wouldn't be too adamant about Gr.C not happening just yet. It simply may not be "leak-able," that's all. As they say, "It ain't over 'til it's over."
 
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It could be possible that we MAY receive prewar and wartime era cars return. For prewar cars, I would personally love to see this return:

1937 Auto Union V16 Type C Streamliner. This monster of a car unfortunately killed the famous GP racer Bernd Rosemeyer.
With 520HP and a top speed well over 250 MPH, I can't see why this car wouldn't return to GTS.
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Other prewar race cars / road cars that could come to GTS:

1929 Mercedes-Benz S Barker Tourer: This car won the Pebble beach award like the Miura and the 330 P4. This car WILL come to GT eventually, hopefully GTS.
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The 1915 Ford Model T Tourer could return, it is a pretty iconic GT4 car and just an iconic car in general:
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As for wartime cars, the '42 VW Schwimmwagen Type 166 and '44 VW Kubelwagen Typ 82 should return as they were Premium cars in GT6.
 
It could be possible that we MAY receive prewar and wartime era cars return. For prewar cars, I would personally love to see this return:

1937 Auto Union V16 Type C Streamliner. This monster of a car unfortunately killed the famous GP racer Bernd Rosemeyer.
With 520HP and a top speed well over 250 MPH, I can't see why this car wouldn't return to GTS.
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Other prewar race cars / road cars that could come to GTS:

1929 Mercedes-Benz S Barker Tourer: This car won the Pebble beach award like the Miura and the 330 P4. This car WILL come to GT eventually, hopefully GTS.
1929-Mercedes-Benz-S-Barker-Tourer-34.jpg


The 1915 Ford Model T Tourer could return, it is a pretty iconic GT4 car and just an iconic car in general:
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As for wartime cars, the '42 VW Schwimmwagen Type 166 and '44 VW Kubelwagen Typ 82 should return as they were Premium cars in GT6.

Just wait patiently :cheers:
 
So for June we might see either one of those or the 2014 SEMA GT award winner, the Roadster Shop Rampage Camaro:

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This Camaro is built pretty much like a modern GT racecar so it may or may not go to Group 3. Other cars that could join this are pretty much whatever, there's no telling what PD is gonna add but they might add another main V12 Lamborghini like the Murcielago SV and a Ferrari which they haven't since the 512BB and the 330P4. Maybe even completely new cars or a car from the suggestion forums like wall like the P1 or the F50.

Fun fact, this shop is less than 5 miles from me. They never seem to have anything sitting outside when I go past though. :(

Pikes Peak is long off, for GT.
After DiRT Rally's versions of the course, Kaz had to re-evaluate his version.

They've been title sponsor for PPIHC, for years and years, now.
They came and laser scanned the course over 4 years ago.
Their 'rally' physics in GTS are horrid.
Polyphony are in no rush for an embarrassing release of a feeble version, that is garbage to drive.

It's paved from top to bottom since 2011. Where do rally physics come into play?
 
I wonder about the AMG thing. Around the time of the E63 being mentioned, a fan made a petition to get the Erebus Motorsport AMG E63 V8 Supercar in the game. Nothing came of it, but weird we didn't get the road car after the hype. 2 out of 3 ain't bad. I guess.

Another observation, is Jay Seyffarth. His team made a prototype Mustang GT3. I wonder if PD modelled the Gr. 3 Mustang from that.
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Pikes Peak is long off, for GT.
After DiRT Rally's versions of the course, Kaz had to re-evaluate his version.

They've been title sponsor for PPIHC, for years and years, now.
They came and laser scanned the course over 4 years ago.
Their 'rally' physics in GTS are horrid.
Polyphony are in no rush for an embarrassing release of a feeble version, that is garbage to drive.
Rally in GT was never about realism. From GT2 to GT4, the gameplay and the tracks were fun (with a cool Sega Rally vibe). I don't know what happened from GT5...
 
I totally see what you mean, but I think different cars having different advantages can be fun, especially what you mention about how Group C cars in Gr.1 have less downforce while the LMPs have more of it. Is it immersive? Well, I'm not gonna pretend it is, FWIW. But having Group C still fits in Gr.1's official statement of being for prototypes. Their words, not mine.
Yeah it's fun to have to different cars have two different advantages, but what I don't like is that it's as if Gr. 1 is divided into speed demons and corner monsters. It's not like Gr. 4 RC F vs Lancer. At least between those two cars there is a disparity between power and cornering ability, but not so much that their whole existence in that class relies solely on their straightline/cornering speed. In Gr. 1 in certainly feels like it
Because I see potential for Gr.2 to have more than just GT500 cars, and I think that PD has a goal of including multiple real-world series in each class (even Gr.4 seems to have some hints of this, with the one-make Megane that was just added), so if there's a class full of just Group C cars (even if we did have the various subdivisions like C1 and C2) I don't think there'd be much else one could jam in there - though I suppose one could add FIA Group 5 and 6 in there, potentially, as they were the classes that preceded FIA Group C.

Plus, Group C is still the only way some automakers can be represented in Gr.1 with the current structure, unless PD wants to ask those respective automakers to make another VGT specifically for Gr.1. I personally wouldn't mind that scenario at all, tbh. Alternatively, we could wait and see what the successor to LMP1 is like. If the Mercedes-AMG Project ONE is one of these future race cars, perhaps Mercedes won't need the Sauber C9 to be included in Gr.1. But that's a good while off - both this successive series and the potential implementation of these cars into the Gran Turismo series. So it seems that the Sauber C9 will need to do for now.
Other than DTM (assuming its pace is comparable to GT500), what other cars can be added to Gr. 2? GT1? No- it's not even Gr. 3 pace. LMP2 and DPi? Okay, the paces are comparable, but how many manufacturers that are already in the game can be represented by LMP2/DPi? If it weren't for DPi, LMP2 is just a privateer fest with manufacturer names attached to them because they supply the engines. And some of those engine manufacturers aren't even in the game. DPi has a bit of a broader range, but nowhere near Group C broad. Even if you combine all three car classes, thing is it will still fall short of manufacturers that Group C can cover.
Another thing is that if PD's intention for Group C being in Gr. 1 is to have more manufacturers get presence in that class, then what is the point of adding the R92CP when there's already the GT-R LM Nismo? Isn't it a waste of resources to have a Group C represent a brand that already has an LMP1? It's not like the R92CP is any better, either. The Nissan GT-R topped it out on the leaderboards at Le Mans, despite Group C's supposed speed advantage. What gives? Why couldn't they have added an Alfa Romeo Group C instead? Or the Aston Martin? It's not like they're any harder to render than the R92CP since it was a standard car back in GT6 anyway. All these three cars need to be modelled from scratch, so why choose the Nissan if Group C's goal is to give more manufacturers presence amongst classes?
I wouldn't be too adamant about Gr.C not happening just yet. It simply may not be "leak-able," that's all. As they say, "It ain't over 'til it's over."
I'm certainly hoping it's the case, but I wouldn't get my hopes up that high
 
Another thing is that if PD's intention for Group C being in Gr. 1 is to have more manufacturers get presence in that class, then what is the point of adding the R92CP when there's already the GT-R LM Nismo? Isn't it a waste of resources to have a Group C represent a brand that already has an LMP1?

My guess would be that it's somewhat related to how the car has already been in the games. I'm pretty sure that even if PD did indeed have to remodel it from the ground-up, the fact that the R92CP was already in the series likely influenced its inclusion in GTS. I don't think any of us know how long they work on updating these cars, nor if it necessarily always matches-up with the broader plan for a game, e.g. having Group C cars in Gr.1. For as little as we know, PD could've been improving multiple standard cars from GT5 before that game was even released, with the potential plan to use newer models on a future platform/title, being the PS4 and GTS in this case. Sort of like how at GameFreak, they render every Pokemon (and their various forms, etc.) with tons of polygons and detail, then effectively scale them down to comply with the hardware they're working with. It's one of the many reasons I'm excited for the Switch games (both Let's Go and the Fall 2019 game), given how much better the Switch is from a hardware perspective over the 3DS - but I digress.

That said, I think we could potentially agree on this hypothesized scenario I came up with: Gr.C could be both for Group C, but also the Group 5 and Group 6 cars that preceded that class. I recall Alpine having a notable Group 6 racer in this regard, and would allow Alpine to be in both Gr.1 with the VGT (and/or potentially a newer LMP) and in this new class. I think even Group 7, including the Toyota 7, could be in this class, as well as other Can-Am cars from Porsche, McLaren, and others. Between Groups 5, 6, 7, and C, we could see even the likes of Isuzu being in this group. Heck, I'm not even sure if we really even need Group 5 to be included here.

I also wanna discuss the two $20 million Gr.X cars. I think I understand why the Jaguar XJ13 is here, since it's a prototype race car that never actually raced - contrast this with the Lexus RC-F GT3 Prototype, which did race as it was being homologated. (IIRC, the Honda NSX Concept-GT was a similar scenario.) And given that the XJ13 isn't a road car like the Ford GT40 Mk.I, nor a homologation special like the BMW M3 E30 Sport Evolution, the XJ13 is almost like in this automotive purgatory. So I suppose that's why it's in Gr.X.

As for the Ferrari, it's the 1967 330 P4, not to be confused with the 1966 330 P4 that recently got awarded by PD at Pebble Beach. There are four altogether, with one converted from a P3 by Ferrari - so basically, it's more like three were made rather than four. The converted P3 was also scrapped after an accident, insofar that Ferrari themselves say that "[chassis number] 0846 no longer exists," so there's that. Now, the 330 P4 that's been in the series since GT5, with the #21 sticker, is chassis number 0858. It says that this one was "converted...into a Spyder for Brands Hatch, 1967, and later in the year converted into a 350 Can-Am... Now fitted with a P4 Berlinetta body..." Now for the Pebble Beach winner, it's specifically a 330 P4 Drogo Spyder (apparently named so for its bodywork designer, Piero Drogo), and according to the very GTPlanet article about it being awarded, it says it's owned by a certain Lawrence Stroll (and in the late 90s, it was even briefly owned by Bernie Eccelstone!), so after some research, I've found out that this 330 P4 that won the award was actually the first 330 P4 made of the three, and converted into a Spyder for Brands Hatch 1967. However, while all three were converted to Spyders for Brands Hatch 1967, chassis number 0856 was unlike the other two, as it was the only one of the three not converted for Can-Am races later on. But one thing I don't understand is why it's said the year for 0856 is 1966 in both the screenshot of the Pebble Beach footage, and in the GTPlanet article text, when its records say it first debuted in early 1967. Was the design finalized in 1966 or something?

Anyway, to get back to my initial point, I think 0858 is in Gr.X because there's just nothing really like it, or potentially nothing planned to be introduced to compete with it. Since 0858 was indeed one of the two 330 P4s converted for Can-Am, maybe it could indeed be in a group meant to encompass the real-world Group 7, including the Toyota 7. Otherwise, I'm not too sure what else to say here, including what group would best-fit the prize-winning 0856. Maybe a "classic Le Mans" group? It could include both the GT40 Mk.IV race car from GT5/6, but also the GT40 Mk.I race car. You could also include the Chaparral 2F, the Alpine A210, the Porsche 907 langheck (or the 910 kurzheck), the Abarth 1300 OT, a Lotus Mk.47, the Alfa Romeo Tipo 33, the Nissan R380 - heck, even the Pebble Beach-winning Alfa Romeo TZ2! Yeah, I think a new group could be for "classic tourers," maybe not necessarily exclusively ones that raced at Le Mans, but I'm thinking specifically stuff like Group 6 and Group 7, like the mid/late-60s Le Mans racers, or the Can-Am cars. Mostly stuff from the mid-60s to early-70s.

EDIT: Fun fact - the Ford GT40 Mk.I in GT6 and GTS is chassis number 1057! I also confirmed that it was indeed a road-going version, hence its inclusion in the N-series. And it looks like it almost costs as much in real-world USD as it does in GTS credits, haha!

EDIT2: We also could consider the idea that maybe cars that are in Gr.X now could get out of Gr.X and be put into a new category in a future GT game, or maybe even a future GTS update for as little as we know. Maybe PD is just waiting to have enough cars ready to release that could race alongside a currently-Gr.X car, and the 0858 could get re-designated? Idk. I wonder if that's what Gr.A is meant for? It'd be a neat analogue to Gr.1 - to have two groups both known for a notable presence at Le Mans, but one is much older than the other, as if there's a generalized year cut-off of some sort. And if that is indeed so, could we hear more about this at Le Mans itself this weekend?!

EDIT3: If PD is going to add FIA GT1 cars to Gr.2, I don't remember if I said this already in a previous post, but the Jaguar XJ220 could appear here, too! As could the Toyota Supra LM and Nissan Skyline GT-R LM, the latter of which is arguably more widely known among GT players for its homologation model. Then there's the Ferrari F40 LM I mentioned in an earlier post, which IIRC raced in JGTC GT500 in one of its initial seasons. It all comes together - I think.
 
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If PD is going to add FIA GT1 cars to Gr.2, I don't remember if I said this already in a previous post, but the Jaguar XJ220 could appear here, too! As could the Toyota Supra LM and Nissan Skyline GT-R LM, the latter of which is arguably more widely known among GT players for its homologation model. Then there's the Ferrari F40 LM I mentioned in an earlier post, which IIRC raced in JGTC GT500 in one of its initial seasons. It all comes together - I think.
I said this again and again and again and again and again and again and again
Again, too slow for BoP to handle.
Someone already pointed out that DTM is substantially slower than GT500, yet you also want GT1 in the same class. If DTM is already a far fetch, what so with GT1?
My guess would be that it's somewhat related to how the car has already been in the games. I'm pretty sure that even if PD did indeed have to remodel it from the ground-up, the fact that the R92CP was already in the series likely influenced its inclusion in GTS. I don't think any of us know how long they work on updating these cars, nor if it necessarily always matches-up with the broader plan for a game, e.g. having Group C cars in Gr.1. For as little as we know, PD could've been improving multiple standard cars from GT5 before that game was even released, with the potential plan to use newer models on a future platform/title, being the PS4 and GTS in this case. Sort of like how at GameFreak, they render every Pokemon (and their various forms, etc.) with tons of polygons and detail, then effectively scale them down to comply with the hardware they're working with. It's one of the many reasons I'm excited for the Switch games (both Let's Go and the Fall 2019 game), given how much better the Switch is from a hardware perspective over the 3DS - but I digress
If that were the case, it'd be nice if they modelled something else that could represent a new manufacturer in a certain class than one that already has exposure there, no?
That said, I think we could potentially agree on this hypothesized scenario I came up with: Gr.C could be both for Group C, but also the Group 5 and Group 6 cars that preceded that class. I recall Alpine having a notable Group 6 racer in this regard, and would allow Alpine to be in both Gr.1 with the VGT (and/or potentially a newer LMP) and in this new class. I think even Group 7, including the Toyota 7, could be in this class, as well as other Can-Am cars from Porsche, McLaren, and others. Between Groups 5, 6, 7, and C, we could see even the likes of Isuzu being in this group. Heck, I'm not even sure if we really even need Group 5 to be included here.
As long as they're separate from Gr. 1, then I'm okay with this
 
I wonder about the AMG thing. Around the time of the E63 being mentioned, a fan made a petition to get the Erebus Motorsport AMG E63 V8 Supercar in the game. Nothing came of it, but weird we didn't get the road car after the hype. 2 out of 3 ain't bad. I guess.

Another observation, is Jay Seyffarth. His team made a prototype Mustang GT3. I wonder if PD modelled the Gr. 3 Mustang from that.
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Why do people think BOP will solve everything???

GT500 and GT1 are remarkably different to be placed in the same group.

BOP does not solve anything. People need to start telling PD to add new classes rather than mixing thinking BOP solves everything.

By this logic we should have the Porsche 919 and the 917K compete with each other because who cares about the technology, tyres, aerodynamics, downforce and brakes which are so different not to mention we are talking about decades of technology advancement hence why Group C cars fail to even compete properly with todays LMP1 H cars.

Time to go the PC2 route and add the right classes to these cars rather than mixing it up. I know people will complain of too much classes but I personally dont care more the classes the better balanced racing we will get.
 
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Why do people think BOP will solve everything???

GT500 and GT1 are remarkably different to be placed in the same group.

BOP does not solve anything. People need to start telling PD to add new classes rather than mixing thinking BOP solves everything.

By this logic we should have the Porsche 919 and the 917K compete with each other because who cares about the technology, tyres, aerodynamics, downforce and brakes which are so different not to mention we are talking about years of technology advancement hence why Group C cars fail to even compete properly with todays LMP1 H cars.

Time to go go the PC2 route and add the right classes to these cars rather than mixing it up. I know people will complain of too much classes but I personally dont care more the classes the better balanced racing we will get.
Someone finally understood me ;-;
Yes I preach your words :bowdown::bowdown::bowdown::bowdown::bowdown: ;w;
 
Alright, so let's assume the following:

-Gr.2 will not be a good fit for FIA GT1, nor will DTM, or older GT500 cars from the JGTC era.

-Gr.3 may not be the best fit for FIA GT2 cars. (Though I don't know what @Alpha Cipher's thoughts are on this - I'm very curious to hear his take on this particular scenario, myself. Perhaps it's not as an egregious difference as it is between 90s FIA GT1 & Super GT500, or Group C & LMP1. However, I still think it's got lots of potential to include more automakers if Gr.3 includes FIA GT2 alongside more GTE cars, like the Corvette C7.R, BMW M8, Ford GT LM, and the Ferrari 488 that has the additional lights in the front.)

-Gr.1 will not be a good fit for Group C. (Though what do you think of strictly limiting Gr.1 to LMP1, LMP2, and DPs as far as real-world cars go? Even older stuff like the TS020 or BMW V12 LMR. Maybe also the LMP1 successor that's being discussed?)

If this is so, what parameters would you set for creating a new group that would accommodate these real-world classes while still leaving a window to be as inclusive as possible, with the consideration of BoP factored in? I.e. not just being limited to a single real-world class, and/or just mimicking the categorization of other sims. Similarly, what generalized rules do you think defines Gr.2, other than having Super GT500 cars? I really do think that the Group One proposals mean that newer DTM cars could be in, but I really don't know. Maybe Gr.2 could stick with any GT500 cars from the Super GT era (2005-onwards), as well as include DTM cars also from 2005-onwards. Perhaps the Grand-American Racing Grand Touring class could be added here, too, as it was stated around early 2010 that Super GT500, DTM, and this third class were going to try to have unified regulations. Overall, this seems like a real good way to have American cars in Gr.2.

I like the idea I had about a "Gr.1-Retro" group that could include cars from FIA Group 6, 7, and C. This would still be very inclusive, and it does seem that the cars still have somewhat similar power - just look at the Toyota 7's stats in GT6. Doesn't seem like anything some added weight via BoP wouldn't fix, right?

I still also like the idea of consolidating FIA GT1 with GT500 - however, perhaps instead of using modern Super GT500 cars that we see in Gr.2, we could go with the older ones, specifically restricting ourselves to the JGTC era. I'd call this "Gr.2-Retro." We've already seen a GT1 car alongside GT500 cars with the Lamborghini Diablo GT1 in Gran Turismo 3-onwards, so I'd be surprised if PD doesn't plan to combine older FIA GT1 cars with JGTC GT500 cars.

EDIT: Maybe some of the earlier DTM cars could fit in this "Gr. Retro", too, like the Alfa Romeo 155TI and the Mercedes-Benz 190E Evolution II. Also, not every FIA GT1 race car raced in GT500, so this could still get interesting, especially with stuff like the Mercedes-Benz CLK-GTR.
 
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Gr.3 may not be the best fit for FIA GT2 cars.
I'm okay with this. If you don't know, GTE is essentially a rebadged GT2 class, and right now we have two GTE cars in Gr. 3 (911 RSR and the Supra). I have some reservations in GTE being in Gr. 3 since as the pre-final-nerf 911 shows, it's quite competitive (even after receiving constant nerfs. The last update is the nerf that finally killed it). At least now they know how much to nerf the Supra though. They're still BoP-able, pretty much. Also, these newer GTE cars run under much freer aero regulations than GT2, so I actually think GT2 is a slightly better fit for Gr. 3 than GTE, with the latter we already have 👍
If this is so, what parameters would you set for creating a new group that would accommodate these real-world classes while still leaving a window to be as inclusive as possible, with the consideration of BoP factored in?
My personal factors to have a group of cars in one class is first, the era in which the cars were made to compete in. Technolological advancements across the decades make it really hard for cars to be BoP'd with power and weight alone. Another factor is how fast these cars are relative to one another without BoP. At the very least, being in the same region of lap times in your class is a good plus. Considering these, I'm thinking that either Group 5/6 can be raced against Can-Am (I think some cars even raced interchangeably during that era), or Group C (C1) and GTP. These are my thoughts so far
I still also like the idea of consolidating FIA GT1 with GT500 - however, perhaps instead of using modern Super GT500 cars that we see in Gr.2, we could go with the older ones, specifically restricting ourselves to the JGTC era. I'd call this "Gr.2-Retro." We've already seen a GT1 car alongside GT500 cars with the Lamborghini Diablo GT1 in Gran Turismo 3-onwards, so I'd be surprised if PD doesn't plan to combine older FIA GT1 cars with JGTC GT500 cars.
This would work best with the late 90's-early 00's JGTC/DTM cars, as GT1 still had a speckle of competitiveness in this class during that time, as well as being the era that could possibly have the most cars you can group together
 
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