The Thread About Ponies, Logistics and General Weirdness (And Gilda)TV

[Wiegert]

I should have mentioned that I finished reading part 13 of TNTNE about 2 hours ago, but I'm not up for discussing it right now as I require sleep.

Also, this is now my desktop background:

 

[Tornado]

This one is all kinds of awesome. I fell in love with it the second I saw it:

It doesn't look like TNTNE is going to be updated before I go to bed, so I'm just going to go to bed now and I'll read it in the morning.

 

[Minty]

@Weigert
I was about to change to that, but I love this too much;

Also, Toro, that picture is amazing....considering it for the background for my phone.


This guy made these;

This makes me really sad about loosing all of my FM3 save data.

 

[Akira AC]

Well,insane amount of work for today that I just cleared up.

So,this pic made me chuckle a bit:

I think that last box could be used for some awesome memes(kind of evil sisters from P&S):

A dirt joke(not my kind of thing but it made me chuckle a bit)

Joke

And

Toronado

Amazing,the sort of thing that makes you think about taking a graphical designer career,am I seeing a new profile pic?

 

[Tornado]

I think that last box could be used for some awesome memes(kind of evil sisters from P&S):

I mentioned this earlier today before the thread went crazy, but I've seen that picture for a couple of months now and I just realized today it is already a spin on an established meme. A really subtle, really clever spin on it.

The same meme that these two images are based on.


Madmax is a genius, basically.

 

[Wiegert]

Right, this needs to be done:

Joke

All in 10 Seconds Flat.

@MintBerryCrunch, I saw those Forza pictures last week when I was looking for MLP related designs in the Storefront. I downloaded an Applejack design for the Dodge Charger SRT8, but not much else apart from that.

 

[Minty]

You know, just because of this. I might start playing Forza again, even if only for the designs. I might even work on my own at some point.

For now though, I'm off to bed.

 

[MercilessOne]

I don't like Bleach, but...

 

[Akira AC]

I don't like Bleach, but...

That makes Bleach about 20% cooler, which in itself makes it 20% cool in total(silly joke is silly).

And,before going to sleep,I just got engaged with this flash sounds compilation (pretty sure that were posted before),also,keep pressing the first Rarity button,sounds kind of (*puts sunglasses on*) Dirty.

Oh internet you are corrupting me again.

Also,I'm getting the you rock,woohoo out of the .swf for my alarm clock,might not be as efficient but is a good way to wake up.

 

[Tornado]

OMIGOD. OMIGOD. OMIGOD. I knew it.

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She was lying all along. And she was lying about The Resistance, as well, which my in-no-way-humble self will say was the strongest of my suspicions.

Holy 🤬. I need to bleed off the shock of this and get my head together before I can assess the greater implications of this chapter, because my mind is moving at a million miles per hour.



Edit: Bled off a little bit of it. Enough to have a new idea. One that for whatever reason hit me hard as being the most likely of them all:

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The Elements didn't fail because of any one character. They failed because all of the Mane Six's Elements were not interpreted correctly by their bearers.




Captain Dash seeing the writing on the wall, and who carried an interpretation of Loyalty to sell out her friends with the hope of protecting them with her position in the Shadowbolts. Rarity being generous to the point of causing problems for everypony by not recognizing her limits. Applejack being honest but caring more about the well-being of her friends than about the actual truth. Fluttershy killing animals to carry the sins for the entirety of New Ponyville, with her taking on that burden being how she displays kindness. Pinkie Pie looking on the bright side of things to the extent that she becomes disillusioned with reality. And Twilight, whose unshaken belief in her friend's ties to their Elements was brutally subverted to not be the reality of the situation; and who despite doing nothing wrong was cruelly was dealt the heaviest price as a result.

TBoTS time!

Edit 2: Oh man, Chapter 11 was fantastic.

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Fight Club reference! A callback to one of my favorite jokes in Chapter 6! Pinkie being Pinkie (Scoring signs when Twilight got thrown out of the bathroom? Excellent)! Twilight being adorable in her naivete! A perfect explanation for Dash's competence at legalese!

That scene as Trixie saw it when she came out of the bedroom was done perfectly. Including the realization that everyone was staring at her because she was covered in exploded pancakes.

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As for part 10, it's interesting to see Trixie feeling insecure whist explaining the terms of her roadshow to Twilight. She even referred to herself in the first-person because she was nervous about the possibility of Twilight not liking her show.

I actually learned a new word when I read that scene (illeism). Had to look it up and everything. I can tell you right now that that doesn't happen very often.

Confound these ponies, they drive me to dictionaries.

 

[Racedude]

And,before going to sleep,I just got engaged with this flash sounds compilation (pretty sure that were posted before),also,keep pressing the first Rarity button,sounds kind of (*puts sunglasses on*) Dirty.

Oh internet you are corrupting me again.

Combining that with Twilight's "Ooo... Doesn't that hurt?" creates awkward moments...

Also, I believe the "WAIT!" in Fluttershy's board is actually from Twilight. (Ticket Master, anypony?)

 

[Tornado]

Quite a bit of disappointment about Rarity in that thing. No philosophical discussion regarding her destiny? No clarification about the differences between expressing malcontent and moaning?

And the pitch on the "What Ever Shall We Do" is way wrong, unless she said it more than once during the series and I'm just not thinking of the right time.

 

[Racedude]

She said it more than once. Also, "I hate loosing" Does that mean that RD likes to wear her pants tight?

EDIT: I suddenly realize the pants thing may be interpreted in more that one way.

 

[Minty]

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The Elements didn't fail because of any one character. They failed because all of the Mane Six's Elements were not interpreted correctly by their bearers.




Captain Dash seeing the writing on the wall, and who carried an interpretation of Loyalty to sell out her friends with the hope of protecting them with her position in the Shadowbolts. Rarity being generous to the point of causing problems for everypony by not recognizing her limits. Applejack being honest but caring more about the well-being of her friends than about the actual truth. Fluttershy killing animals to carry the sins for the entirety of New Ponyville, with her taking on that burden being how she displays kindness. Pinkie Pie looking on the bright side of things to the extent that she becomes disillusioned with reality. And Twilight, whose unshaken belief in her friend's ties to their Elements was brutally subverted to not be the reality of the situation; and who despite doing nothing wrong was cruelly was dealt the heaviest price as a result.

I actually interpreted The Captain's reasons that way from the moment I knew who she was.
But as for the other characters, I was actually thinking about that last night before I even read this part of the story. As I was just going over what I know so far in my head this realization just kind of hit me.



My thoughts on the ending of TNTNE Part 13

Holy. 🤬.

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As soon as Applejack started trying to stop them from leaving, I knew she was hiding something. AJ is stubborn, but she's not stupid, I just knew there had to be a reason for how much she wanted to stay in New Ponyville. The idea that she was lying about the resistance was something I was almost certain of, but I just couldn't let myself believe it. Even though I knew that was the reason, I just kept telling myself that there was something else, but I was wrong.



Also, dammit LeeroyRainbow Dash. I always knew she was somewhat reckless, but now she's just being stupid. The fact she actually shook off the idea of thinking things through just kind of annoyed me.
But there's one thing I'm especially eager to find out involving RD's attack. How will she react when she see's the Captain being held? Will she try to call off the attack to asses the situation? Will she try to free the Captain to get answers out of her? I just have so many questions about that one subject buzzing through my head right now.

I am really looking forward to the next chapter. Keep up the good work of seriously :censored:ing with my mind BronyCray.



Also, I don't really have time to read TBoTS right now, so that'll have to wait until after work.




EDIT: New idea I had about the plot of TNTNE

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Where did Fluttershy show hate? She obviously still loved the animals, but she did what needed to be done to survive. Rarity is now starting to make sense, and actually think about the good of the citizens.
But now that I'm thinking about it, what if this whole thing is eventually solved by the main 6 discovering their elements again and using them to defeat Luna?

I mean, if they were to evacuate New Ponyville despite the resistance being a big lie, they may eventually meet up with Fluttershy again, and then possibly Pinkie Pie. So if the main 6 get back together it could be a real possibility. The only problem I can really see with that is Pinkie Pie being completely out of her mind, but there's always a way to change that.

I mean, they're all still alive, and the normal universe Rainbow Dash still has her element.

So if me and Toro are wrong, and it really was only RD who was at fault, that would solve the original problem of Dash being responsible for the elements failing.

 

[C_Raccoon23]

Couldn't help but chuckle at this.

 

[Tornado]

I actually interpreted The Captain's reasons that way from the moment I knew who she was.

Same here.

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And I immediately suspected AJ when I figured out that she was lying about something a couple chapters ago. But it wasn't until this chapter confirmed one of my theories about Applejack that the realization that everyone was (probably) equally to blame hit me upside the head. I simply hadn't thought everyone else's roles through as much as I had Captain Dash's and Applejack's.


The only exception I can think to this is Twilight. After finishing Chapter 13, I poured over Chapter 1 and compared it to the specific scene in Episode 2, but I can't place Twilight's role in what happened. What I suggested above was just a guess on my part, really.

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As soon as Applejack started trying to stop them from leaving, I knew she was hiding something. AJ is stubborn, but she's not stupid, I just knew there had to be a reason for how much she wanted to stay in New Ponyville. The idea that she was lying about the resistance was something I was almost certain of, but I just couldn't let myself believe it. Even though I knew that was the reason, I just kept telling myself that there was something else, but I was wrong.

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I caught it early in the chapter.
Specifically, when AJ said "The resistance? Twi, we don’t even know where they are" was when all the bells in my head went off. There was no reason for that statement to be true if the Resistance existed, because Applejack was supposedly New Ponyville's official liaison for the Resistance and was the only pony in New Ponyville who knew anything about them (except for Big Mac, who I'm getting lots of vibes from suggesting that he knew it was a sham as well). She had always said that they couldn't help until the time is right or whatever, but she had never said that she didn't know where they were.

After she let that slip, the only thing I had to do was wait for her to admit it.

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Also, dammit LeeroyRainbow Dash. I always knew she was somewhat reckless, but now she's just being stupid. The fact she actually shook off the idea of thinking things through just kind of annoyed me.

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Actually, I think her plan is strategically sound. It almost certainly won't work, either due to Super Bitch planning for it already or because Dash is short on manpower, but in theory it seems perfectly viable and it will likely do a lot of damage before it does fail.




And, while I'm on the topic, I don't think Super Bitch planned for it. She expected the town to be in full-on panic mode from the sheer shock of the situation (recall her "I want to hear their screams" bit from the last chapter); but its actually come relatively under control already due to the quick actions of Dash and Applejack, even after Super Bitch did her mental loudspeaker thing.

The seams in her plan seem to already be unraveling as we speak. The frays have been there for a while now (see how easily it is for Captain Dash to get her flustered, even though Super Bitch thinks she is in complete control of the situation). It won't be enough, but Super Bitch won't achieve anything near the victory she is expecting. Calling it now.

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But there's one thing I'm especially eager to find out involving RD's attack. How will she react when she see's the Captain being held? Will she try to call off the attack to asses the situation? Will she try to free the Captain to get answers out of her? I just have so many questions about that one subject buzzing through my head right now.

That, I have no idea. There are a thousand possibilities towards what will happen there, and I can't even begin to make a guess about it. I also really want to know how Super Bitch will react when she runs into Dash. That could very well be the lone catalyst that ruins everyone's day.




Edit:

EDIT: New idea I had about the plot of TNTNE

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Where did Fluttershy show hate? She obviously still loved the animals, but she did what needed to be done to survive.

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Its not about the elements failing because they were defied. I don't think anyone has done anything to outright defy them. Not even Applejack. Its about interpreting them incorrectly from the very beginning; with the incorrect interpretations causing them to fail when they faced Nightmare Moon, and leading to the actions that each bearer feels they must perform in this environment. Kinda like a Jedi Truth situation, which works well since this is a shades of gray story.

For example, Captain Dash thought the situation to be hopeless (even though it might not have been if she hadn't thought that), so she agreed to join the Shadowbolts to try to make the best of a bad situation and be loyal to her friends by keeping the Shadowbolts away from them. That is Loyalty, in a way.

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I mean, they're all still alive, and the normal universe Rainbow Dash still has her element.

So if me and Toro are wrong, and it really was only RD who was at fault, that would solve the original problem of Dash being responsible for the elements failing.

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There is a big "if" there, though. What if Dash, after exposure to the horrible things of this world, no longer can connect with the power of the Element? She's already shown signs of cracking several times, most notably when she confronted Captain Dash prior to releasing her.

For that matter, what if the Element bearers in this world can't reconnect with their elements? As depressing as that may be, it is also a possibility.

 

[Sonic ZR1]

Couldn't help but chuckle at this.

Hmm, why not Veyron SS?

 

[Minty]

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Actually, I think her plan is strategically sound......in theory it seems perfectly viable and it will likely do a lot of damage before it does fail.

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The attack plan itself all that bad to me, but if an enemy is taunting you, it's almost a sure sign they want you to make the first move. Trixie basically just trolled RD into attacking, even if that wasn't her intention.
If she would have scouted first, before launching the attack, I would agree with that plan, at least then they would ID their targets and know where to aim but as it stands, they can hardly see a damn thing, and they're just going to run in an hope for the best.

Granted, the "you hold their attention while we do the damage" tactic is good, but if you don't know what you're fighting it'll mean your "tanks" have to last that much longer for you to do any real damage.
It wouldn't hurt for them to use an extra 20 minutes to at least find out what they're up against.

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It won't be enough, but Super Bitch won't achieve anything near the victory she is expecting. Calling it now.

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Same. This can't possibly end well for her, and it's becoming more and more clear that she's no longer sure of outcome herself.
Also, the Captain's plan to get her to literally announce herself was actually really clever.

That, I have no idea. There are a thousand possibilities towards what will happen there, and I can't even begin to make a guess about it. I also really want to know how Super Bitch will react when she runs into Dash. That could very well be the lone catalyst that ruins everyone's day.

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Well Super Bitch is already aware of Rainbow Dash's existence. So I might just be missing something, but I'm not really sure how that could make things much worse than they already are.

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Its not about the elements failing because they were defied.

Yeah, I know, that was actually just a slightly edited copy/paste of a comment I made in response to someone on ED, I just forgot to remove that part.

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There is a big "if" there, though. What if Dash, after exposure to the horrible things of this world, no longer can connect with the power of the Element? She's already shown signs of cracking several times, most notably when she confronted Captain Dash prior to releasing her.

For that matter, what if the Element bearers in this world can't reconnect with their elements? As depressing as that may be, it is also a possibility.

I know there's a big "if" but that's what makes it so interesting to try to anticipate. There's almost no way to know for sure how anything will play out in this story, but that's why I love it so much.


I'm not really sure about RD at this point, but even if she does break there's always a way to bring her back.

Pinkie Pie on the other hand, that I can't even begin to come up with a way for anyone to help her regain her sanity, let alone reconnect with her element, but I still believe that it's a possibility.






I'll wrap this post up with something everpony can enjoy....CAKE!

 

[MagpieRacer]

I should have mentioned that I finished reading part 13 of TNTNE about 2 hours ago, but I'm not up for discussing it right now as I require sleep.

Also, this is now my desktop background:

Do want! Such a cool wallpaper!

 

[Tornado]

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The attack plan itself all that bad to me, but if an enemy is taunting you, it's almost a sure sign they want you to make the first move. Trixie basically just trolled RD into attacking, even if that wasn't her intention.

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Perhaps, but I don't think Super Bitch has thought that far ahead. She thinks the town is screwed, and is in a complete state of panic. She may expect resistance, but an outright offensive attack doesn't seem like anything she would have planned for.

Setting a trap doesn't do you any good if you don't know when to spring it.

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Well Super Bitch is already aware of Rainbow Dash's existence. So I might just be missing something, but I'm not really sure how that could make things much worse than they already are.

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Super Bitch knows that Rainbow Dash is alive. And she knows that the Captain of the Shadowbolts is a different Rainbow Dash. And she probably has an idea about how that is possible.



But I don't think she has come to terms with the gravity of the situation yet. As cunning and ruthless as her plan is, she hasn't explained what she plans on doing if she was successful and killed both Captain Dash and Rainbow Dash in the attack (because when she was coming up with her plan, she didn't know who the Captain was), so I don't think it has occurred to her yet. And she definitely hasn't grasped the concept of what that would mean for her if she couldn't explain it (meaning even if her plan worked perfectly, Nightmare Moon would still probably execute her for treason).

Basically, The Captain being Rainbow Dash significantly altered what Super Bitch had to do for her plans to work the way she wanted them to, but she failed to take that into account because she is so power-hungry and loathes Captain Dash so much that she doesn't care.

Yeah, I know, that was actually just a slightly edited copy/paste of a comment I made in response to someone on ED, I just forgot to remove that part.

Yeah, I caught that soon after when I went to check something on the story page. But I already wrote the paragraph, so I figured whatevs.

 

[Minty]

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Perhaps, but I don't think Super Bitch has thought that far ahead. She thinks the town is screwed, and is in a complete state of panic. She may expect resistance, but an outright offensive attack doesn't seem like anything she would have planned for.

Setting a trap doesn't do you any good if you don't know when to spring it.

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Well when I said "even if that wasn't her intention", I kind of meant that as "even if she doesn't expect an attack".

Now that I think about it some more though, maybe she does expect an attack. But she just expects nothing more than an angry mob running at her and swinging aimlessly. But she'll be caught by surprise when she's hit with an organized attack.

 

[Wiegert]

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The seams in her plan seem to already be unraveling as we speak. The frays have been there for a while now (see how easily it is for Captain Dash to get her flustered, even though Super Bitch thinks she is in complete control of the situation). It won't be enough, but Super Bitch won't achieve anything near the victory she is expecting. Calling it now.

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No doubt that Trixie will be more than surprised to find a small group of Ponies actually taking action against her in the form of what appears be an I'll judged attack.

Also, Trixie deciding to inform the residents of New Ponyville about who she is, as well as her plan, was simply a spur of the moment action. If the captain hadn't said "Besides, New Ponyville doesn't know you are here. What happens when Nightmare Moon arrives to find an innocent village", then Trixie wouldn't have informed them about her identity and what was going to happen to New Ponyville.

She also seems to be making up her plan along the way. I mean at first she says that she will invade "tomorrow" so that her and the invading force can gather their strength, but thanks to what the captain said, she quickly changes her mind and decides to invade in 1 hour instead. It appears that Trixie had forgotten about building up her power prior to the invasion, which could play into the hands (hooves) of Rainbow Dash and her small, makeshift resistance team.

Even so, it's difficult to say whether this will change the outcome of the story during parts 14/15.

 

[Minty]

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I have one question about what might be going through Trixies head. Even if the village was to attack first, I think Nightmare Moon might get suspicious about Trixie motives considering she decided to go on a "patrol" with a sizable military presence.

Even if her attack according to plan; the whole plan she has still can't go well for her in the long run, because there's no way for her to justify bringing that kind of military presence without the specific intention of starting some serious 🤬


How does she plan on justify this to Nightmare Moon?

Just a random thought I kind of had related to Trixie's palns.

Anyway, I won't be able to post for a few hours because I've got to go to work.

 

[Tornado]

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Also, Trixie deciding to inform the residents of New Ponyville about who she is, as well as her plan, was simply a spur of the moment action. If the captain hadn't said "Besides, New Ponyville doesn't know you are here. What happens when Nightmare Moon arrives to find an innocent village", then Trixie wouldn't have informed them about her identity and what was going to happen to New Ponyville.

She also seems to be making up her plan along the way. I mean at first she says that she will invade "tomorrow" so that her and the invading force can gather their strength, but thanks to what the captain said, she quickly changes her mind and decides to invade in 1 hour instead. It appears that Trixie had forgotten about building up her power prior to the invasion, which could play into the hands (hooves) of Rainbow Dash and her small, makeshift resistance team.

I don't think she's outright making it up as she goes along, but she is frequently losing the mind games she keeps playing against The Captain by a pretty wide margin. Even the ones where The Captain is only playing on accident.

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That's another reason why I think Dash showing up with her 5-pony assault is going to screw Super Bitch up, because she's already proven several times to be incapable of curtailing her hatred of Captain Dash even when it undermines her goals. So to be suddenly presented with a second Dash to deal with, even if she expects it, likely won't do the execution of her plans any favors.

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I have one question about what might be going through Trixies head. Even if the village was to attack first, I think Nightmare Moon might get suspicious about Trixie motives considering she decided to go on a "patrol" with a sizable military presence.

Even if her attack according to plan; the whole plan she has still can't go well for her in the long run, because there's no way for her to justify bringing that kind of military presence without the specific intention of starting some serious 🤬


How does she plan on justify this to Nightmare Moon?

*clears throat*

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As cunning and ruthless as her plan is, she hasn't explained what she plans on doing if she was successful and killed both Captain Dash and Rainbow Dash in the attack (because when she was coming up with her plan, she didn't know who the Captain was), so I don't think it has occurred to her yet. And she definitely hasn't grasped the concept of what that would mean for her if she couldn't explain it (meaning even if her plan worked perfectly, Nightmare Moon would still probably execute her for treason).

Basically, The Captain being Rainbow Dash significantly altered what Super Bitch had to do for her plans to work the way she wanted them to, but she failed to take that into account because she is so power-hungry and loathes Captain Dash so much that she doesn't care.

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But, seriously, there is little that she can do, I'm thinking. Nightmare Moon has shown not-at-all-hidden contempt for Super Bitch for at least 3 chapters now. NMM explicitly warned her not to do the exact thing she is doing. She even made it clear that she trusted Captain Dash more than she trusted Super Bitch. And Trixie went forward with it anyways.

The amount of things that Trixie has been overlooking since she told The Captain of her frame up job has been increasing by the chapter, as has her fury towards Captain Dash every time Captain Dash says anything; and I see little reason at this point to assume Trixie is going to come out ahead with her attack in the first place.

 

[MercilessOne]

Good morrow colored, talking ponies.

 

[unit-one]

^C-c-combo braker xD

I got nothing to add on TNTNE. Toronado, MintBerryCrunch and Wiegert covered everything. I like how they think.

 

[Wiegert]

I don't think she's outright making it up as she goes along, but she is frequently losing the mind games she keeps playing against The Captain by a pretty wide margin. Even the ones where The Captain is only playing on accident.

Oh, she's not making everything up along the way, but she does appear to be altering certain aspects of her plan due to The Captain's "mind games".

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Also, if Trixie really had a strong mentality, she would have gone forward with her initial plan instead of hastily changing parts of it simply because of what The Captain said to her in part 13. I can certainly see the cracks appearing in her plan now as well.

 

[TorqueHappenS08]

Officially part of the herd.

Ya herd..

Flootershy WE GO.

 

[JoshB1984]

I think about buying 3 MLP:FiM Episodes at iTunes. Did it have closed captions?

 

[Racedude]

Officially part of the herd.

Ya herd..

Flootershy WE GO.

Welcome, buddy!