Vanquish vs. Viper

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Well for one, it didn't show the Corvette time, so you assume the Cobra won? Drag radials are going to do more for the time than what exhaust is going to do for a time (we are talking straight factory here, no mods!). You also say the Cobra outhandles the STi . . . well 90 horses is going to help the time the car produces. Plus every magazine that has tested the STi and new Evo side by side has said the Evo handles better (so why not compare the handling of the Cobra and the Evo . . . I'm sure the Cobra still produces the better time around a track because of it's significant amount of more power). And frankly your little drag racing video proves nothing . . . I don't give a crap what the two run on a drag strip. Run them at the Nordschleife and see which one wins then . . . I can sure as heck tell you it won't be the Cobra.
 
Lol, ok the fact that you're trying to compare LAP TIMES of a corvette z06 and a cobra is retarded..Of course the corvette is going to have better lap times..it's a corvette, that is why a corvette isn't considered a muscle car because it's a PURPOSE BUILT Sports coupe that costs 20,000 dollars more, the Cobra isn't however, which explains the reason it weights more. Not only that, but if the cobra gets in some sort of fender bender, the Cobra will be ok. The vette will need a whole new section of the car...But wasn't the basis of this "bang for the buck?" Now at 52,000 dollars and 405 HP you're paying 128 dollars and 40 cents per HP...The Cobra which is 35,000 dollars and 420HP you're paying 83 dollars and 83 cents per HP..There's your answer right there.And the funny thing is it is very blatent that the mustang one, because at the launch is technically the only place it could have won, seeing as how the mustang is more geared for acceleration as compared to launching, not only that but it has more horsepower to boot, but if you want to deny the facts go right ahead. And as far as "tires making more of a difference than a vette's exhaust" If the vette is that bad azz of a performer, shouldn't it come with some bad azz tires? I mean for 52,000 dollars it should have a decent set of rubbers.
 
The Mustang will be beat up just as much as the Corvette if it gets in a fender bender based on the fact the Mustang has a couple hundred pounds more just in the engine. Now you are really making stuff saying the Mustang has 420 horses . . . especially when you look at what Ford has the Mustang listed at 390 horses . . . but then again maybe they lied about what it puts out . . . which I doubt they did. But see exhaust maybe adds 15 horses, maybe. The better launch from the tyres could be the difference in a drag race. The launch makes a huge difference. And yes the Corvette has some pretty decent tyres to begin with . . . but adding drag radials makes it a different story (put some drag radials on the Corvette and your "oh so precious" 'Stang loses). But see we no longer live in the sixties where all that matter is the drag strip (and what you can do there) . . . I do not give a **** what the heck a car can do on the drag strip. If it runs a bloody 7, well good for it. I want to see how well the car can handle . . . that seperates the men from the boys. Oh BTW, the Mustang also weighs more because Ford couldn't drop an all aluminum engine into it . . . they were trying to cut costs by using less expensive materials (the same goes for the SVT Cobra R . . . Ford did the same to it to try and save some money). Oh BTW, if it makes you happy, I'll let you "win" this argument . . . I'm tired of hearing your lame excuses for the Mustang.
 
IT's funny, because the 03 Cobra turns out better lap times than a 04 Subaru WRX STi, and you think that car handles well don't you? Of course you do, most people do! :D
Actually im not impressed what so ever with the Evo or the STi, or the Skylines for that matter. The supra makes me laugh though so thats okay. With there 14 second timeslips at 110 mph. (If you dont understand typical time/speed relaitons, you won't get it ).
 
Drifster do you know what ****ing drag radials are you moronic twit? No offense but a drag radial set-up wil oftentimes remove half a second from your elapsed time. Half a second, thats from ...12.9 to.... 12.4... Making it > A vette.

The advantage is that drag radials are composite of materials that get extra sticky under heat. Any non DR tire doesn't do that, I don't care how good your tires are no matter how much you burn it down, it just gets greasy, not tacky. So you have a car that has more or less gum for wheels, versus a corvette with cold tires because he can't use the wet box to heat them up.

The cobra is a sports oriented coupe, not a drag car. A drag car with IRS? what a dumb idea if you continue to claim it is a straight line only car your making ford look worse then Yugo. (You go, not the car.)

If your looking at horsepower for the money, buy an LT1 Camaro or firebird used. 6 Thouand will probably buy you a 11.9x Lt1, that WILL out handle your Slowbra any day of the week. (The 11.9 being from a head and cam job very mild, but very power increasing.)
 
You can feel free to ask any avid Ford fan in GTP, or ANYWHERE and they'll tell you the same. The SVT cobra is under rated to the extreme, it makes 410-420HP on average, and there's no denying that.

No the mustang will not get beat up as much as the corvette. The corvette is FIBERGLASS, that is why the corvette weights so much less. The mustang will have a nice dent in the side, but that can be popped out. The Corvette on the other hand will have a crack or a hole in the side. I know that the fiberglass is somewhat forgiving, but it'll break and there is no denying that.
ok So now the Corvette has 420HP flywheel (405 base+15 exhaust) which puts it on level ground with the stand, it has a wider wheel base and a wider track. The stock tires in the back which are 18 x 10.5, which is a pretty wide tire. I mean, they're goodyear F1 Supercar tires. I'm pretty sure if they can do a lateral G, they can do as good of a launch as a drag radial.

Your whole that seperates the men from the boys. No it seperates te 50,000 dollar cars from the 35,000 dollar cars. Of course there is going to be a differen,ce and actually at the Circut de La Sarth, there was a 9 second difference between the Cobra And the Z06...Hmm I wonder, maybe that's where the 20,000 dollars went into. 9 seconds...Money well spent right there..As for the z06 competing with cars that cost alot more...So is the Cobra, the cobra is a contender up against the ferrari F355, which is a 127,000 dollar car. If that doesn't impress you, I don't now what will.
As for "lame excuses" the only lame thing i've read in this article is you trying to rule out the stang for having forced induction. Chevy could have EASILY put a blower on their corvette, but they didn't, is that fords fault? No it's not. In the end the Cobra is BY far the better bang for the buck, the fact that it costs 20,000 dollars less than the vette and can hold it's own is more than enough to show that.
Oh and BTW, the Mustang also weights more, because 1 it's not a purpose built sports coupe, it has 4 seats, and 2 it's not made out of fiberglass

And I don't know if you noticed this, but we're talking about NEW cars, we're not talking about old cars that can be fixed up, because everyone knows buying a used car and making it fast is ALOT cheaper than buying a new one, so don't bother keying in with the "LT1" And if a Drag radial can shave off a half of a second explain how it only cut .1 off of the MM&FF's 100% stock time? maybe it's because the Cobra driver from the video didn't utilize the tires full capabilities, did you think of that?

As for your "it's only a drag car" I never said it's only a drag car, not once did I say that, seeing as how i've compared it's BETTER LAP TIMES to the WRX, not 1/4 times. Yeah of course i'm going to MENTION the 1/4 times, seeing as how it's a 4 seater production car for less than 40,000 that does mid 12 second run's, because it SHINES in that department.
 
Fibre glass is easily repaired. I race karts in the WKA circuit, and I run a fibreglass body. All you need to fix it is remove the panel thats broke, Sand it down. Put some resin on it, Let it harden, Sand it down, Paint, clear coat.

By the way, I haven't lost a race this year, and I have a 73 point lead in 10 races, so I might know what im talking about.
 
Oh man 4 seats? Yea right its a 2 bucket seater with a double 1x1 holes to sit in in the back. The Camaro and Firebird up until production stopped in 2002 dogged your mustang every day, day in and day out, test course, drag strip, road course. They had 4 seats as well. Also, in the SE95 Mustang era, my moms 1995 lumina with a DOHC 3.4 litre V6 out ran your mustang GT's handeling and quartermile.

Ford doesn't make fast cars.
 
You're right fiberglass isn't that hard to fix, but you have to remember IT'S A CORVETTE, so the chances of the paint matching the car is slim to none, not to mention the kart racing is a circut, so it's closed. You might not always be able to find that chunk of fiberglass.
Dogged the mustang? I wouldn't put it THAT way. I mean considering they both ran roughly the same 1/4 times, so it was practically a drivers race. And the fact that the mustang put better lap times in than the Camaro SS at both Seabring and Circut de La Sarthe...So I dunno bout the "Road course thing either...As far as the lumina thing, that's either a 100% load of crap, you went against a fake GT,or you just happened to go against the worste driver of a Mustang in the world, because a 95 Mustang GT does the 1/4 in 15.2, your lumina 3.4L v6 does it in 16.3
The 95 mustang GT. I don't know about handeling, you could be right in that sense.

http://www.vmrintl.com/Usedcars/Car Reviews/chev_lumina_95-99.htm
http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/t30722.html
 
You got the wrong motor cheif. Dohc 3.4l V6 makes 220/225 Hp, and that you can get from the factory truel H pipe duel exhaust, which adds as you said another 15hp, and 20-25 torque. Thats 235-250(Estimated.) Anyway, we haven't dyno'd it, but got ahold of a friends G-Force pro, and a set of race car scales for accurate car weight. It ran a 15.7 on a every day street, normal track prep conditions can add up to 3 tenths of a second, 15.2/15.4.

Did I mention the 15.2 Mustang GT is with a 5 speed manual with a professional driver, and ours is a 4 speed automatic.
 
No the 3.4L dohc makes 215HP, i'm sorry that you've been lied to but unless you can get multiple Lumina owners to say that. I'll have to go by what countless sites are telling me. And if these "You CAN GET from the factory" options here, does that apply for the mustang GT aswell, well then I suppose you could incluse the FACTORY option for better tires? And I never said a gaurenteed 15. YOU Said 15HP for a CORVETTE, not a lumina....
As for your assumption in track gain, that's pretty un called for. Not to mention the fact that, if you got H pipes which makes the car MODIFIED from the factory, not stock.
And since you made the assumption for track gain, i'll do the same for the stang with it's tires option, meaning its time would drop down .3 as you said, since a LAUNCH is so important. So you're racing a 15.4 second car against a 14.9 second one?...Ok now where do you get the whole "The lumina is faster"????
yeah I do believe your car would beat that 95 mustang GT around a road course, because mustangs in the past have been pigs. I know that, that doesn't impress me...The fact is we're not talking about mustangs of the past, and you said Ford doesn't make fast cars? What about the Gt40? I don't care who designed it or where it was put together, it's a ford is it not?
 
Originally posted by VashTheStampede
I don't think you are going to have a problem getting ladies in either car. So that's not a very good argument.

sure...

AM draws classy women n' models...

viper draws skanky hoes!! :p (and jealous muscleheaded blokes)

aint that the truth!

I'll go the AM thanks :)

what sorta woman you want?
 
I think you're full of it. Any women, classy or whatever, or even model isn't going to know the difference between a Viper or AM (cars are the same to them, and I mean this in general . . . the majority of women don't know the difference . . . hopefully I don't offend any women browsers of this forum) . . . they are just going to be more like, "oh, that car is cute". It's every woman's reaction to a car they think looks good. And again, you aren't going to have a problem getting any sorta of women in either car, whether it be classy, model, etc.
 
I'm sorry, but a classy woman is going to know the difference between a DODGE..and a Aston Martin. I don't know what kind of dumb women WOULDN'T know the difference between a company that makes ugly vans...and some rare UK company they never heard of, but sounds expensive.
 
She may know the difference, but do you think she is going to care? If you have to rely on your car to pickup the woman, well I don't think I need to say anything about that.
 
Yea man, if your picking up women by car you need a life. Although it does rock that my girlfriend wants a 69 Z28 pacecar and has posters of it in her room. :trouble:.
 
Like I said, if you have to rely on your car to pick up the lady . . . well then that just shows how smooth you are. It helps to have the car, but you don't need it to pick up the lady.
 
Originally posted by Sominon
Yea man, if your picking up women by car you need a life. Although it does rock that my girlfriend wants a 69 Z28 pacecar and has posters of it in her room. :trouble:.

Sounds like a real keeper there. Most of the girls I've dated wouldn't know a Corvette from a Civic. Well that is unless they saw the names of the cars on the car.
 
Originally posted by Mr. Snowtire
Drag racer......70's...fastest woman alive...although kinda ugly...might be a man. You're right then:lol:

I'm lost . . . :confused:

And were you talking to me with that post? :confused:
 
Lol who said you use your car to pick up women, a car is a tool is it not? Tools aid in things, therefore not only would your vantage beat a viper in a road race, it'd also be a less common car, making it stand out a hell of alot more. Now you don't need a car to pickup women, but the better the car the more it gets noticed, the easier the job.
 
Ummm . . . I'm sorry, but neither the Vanquish or Vantage would beat the Viper in a road race. Plus for the money of the Vanquish, I would rather own a 911 GT2 and a Boxster S or a Z06.
 
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