Will you be updating to 2.12?

[Downhill Dino]

It's not being able to prevent hacks that's wrong here. What's wrong is how they made the situation worse.

How's that? By not pleasing everyone? It happens with every game though.

I don't know what language GT5 is programmed in (probably C++), but I'm fairly confident in the belief that functions in their code can be commented out so they no longer work (btw, I don't know of a language that doesn't have comments, but it might exist). That would make save file modification irrelevant, since the supporting code would not be in place.

It's the opposite of impossible. A comment is a very simple thing to do.

I wasn't aware such things were possible in certain programs. I learn something everyday it seems. 👍

Not being shamed on that, but being frowned upon (and laughed at by me) for managing to do the exact opposite of what everyone wanted. People hated hybrids because of the garbage million horsepower cars. People who hated hybrids because of the possible replica's and endless enthusiast cars, just don't get it.

It's all about the morals or what they believe in. Not necessarily that they 'don't get it.'

 

[C_Raccoon23]

Making it easier to create cars with ridiculous amounts of HP isn't making the situation worse?

 

[Downhill Dino]

Trial and error?

 

[jimipitbull]

You also could have been matue enough to ignore my comment.

I ignored the previous one where you said you hate me. You kept going with the abusive comments, so it warranted a response.

 

[Voodoovaj]

How's that? By not pleasing everyone? It happens with every game though.

They handled the situation in the worst possible way. All they attempted to fix was the DLC security issue. It half worked, but you can still modify the save file to get a DLC body (I haven't tried it, but I have read several posts that it works).

Those opposed to mods wanted measures against cheating and there was nothing done. Those who loved mods wanted it to be condoned and they also wanted measures against cheating, but again nothing was done.

Those who find pleasure in causing grief to others are happily free to continue doing so. In addition, online performance has degraded for everyone. You're correct in saying that they could not have possibly pleased everyone, but they didn't please anyone.

As for the original topic of the thread, I have updated. I have had to reinstall twice to try and get my online performance back to an acceptable level. So far, if the room is less than 8 people I am fine but if it goes higher, I'm S.O.L. There's no reason to be on the 2.12 version if the online component isn't working properly for me. If I have to spend my time offline, I'll spend it with cars that can sustain my interest all the way until the GT6 release.

 

[hogger129]

They handled the situation in the worst possible way. All they attempted to fix was the DLC security issue. It half worked, but you can still modify the save file to get a DLC body (I haven't tried it, but I have read several posts that it works).

Those opposed to mods wanted measures against cheating and there was nothing done. Those who loved mods wanted it to be condoned and they also wanted measures against cheating, but again nothing was done.

Those who find pleasure in causing grief to others are happily free to continue doing so. In addition, online performance has degraded for everyone. You're correct in saying that they could not have possible pleased everyone, but they didn't please anyone.

As for the original topic of the thread, I have updated. I have had to reinstall twice to try and get my online performance back to an acceptable level. So far, if the room is less than 8 people I am fine but if it goes higher, I'm S.O.L. There's no reason to be on the 2.12 version if the online component isn't working properly for me. If I have to spend my time offline, I'll spend it with cars that can sustain my interest all the way until the GT6 release.

+1

There's definitely a lot less people online after 2.12.

IMO, PD should have just set a hard horsepower limit of like 2000 or something and been done with it, let people have their fun. People will kick the hybrids if they don't want them in their room.

 

[tronrider345]

I'm online atm and I see a guy with the sti without a hood , with the 2 year old engine drawing showing..

 

[Megamarcx84]

Yes, it seems as if the only "cheats" that were dealt with had to do with chassis swapping, fueling my thinking that some butthurt manufacturer threatened not to be present in GT6(so far it ain't Subaru, Nissan, or Mazda, still thinking Ferrari)

 

[Voodoovaj]

Yes, it seems as if the only "cheats" that were dealt with had to do with chassis swapping, fueling my thinking that some butthurt manufacturer threatened not to be present in GT6(so far it ain't Subaru, Nissan, or Mazda, still thinking Ferrari)

I doubt it. The DLC issue is still the most likely reason since, as mentioned, if you had a DLC body on a car, that entire car was reset to match and it triggered the request to install the DLC.

Even for $1 worth of DLC, if thousands of people get it for free, that's just money down the tubes.

 

[LVracerGT]

I doubt it. The DLC issue is still the most likely reason since, as mentioned, if you had a DLC body on a car, that entire car was reset to match and it triggered the request to install the DLC.

Even for $1 worth of DLC, if thousands of people get it for free, that's just money down the tubes.

Most likely the exact reason. Can't blame them, except now everything is worse. We can't create the cars that brought the game back to life and the thousand hp cheat cars are still online ruining lobbies.

 

[Voodoovaj]

Most likely the exact reason. Can't blame them, except now everything is worse. We can't create the cars that brought the game back to life and the thousand hp cheat cars are still online ruining lobbies.

Yep, and all they had to do was put the DLC tag on the body (because really, the rest of the car lacks value without it) and then whenever someone used a DLC/limited body, they'd trigger the request to install.

 

[C_Raccoon23]

There is a way to work around that, unfortunately.

 

[XS]

Did, then the data file corrupted, so I'm back to 2.0 and actually thinking about leaving it there...

 

[Zuel]

It's not being able to prevent hacks that's wrong here. What's wrong is how they made the situation worse.

If none of these :censored:started hacking the game we wouldn't have this trouble correct? CORRECT!

 

[Tornado]

Similarly, if none of them ever played GT5 at all they wouldn't have anything at all to be mad about!

 

[CodeRedR51]

If none of these :censored:started hacking the game we wouldn't have this trouble correct? CORRECT!

It's not just the hybrids, it's GT5 being online enabled that is the issue. Hybrids were never a problem up until now because no previous GT games had online play. (officially) Now if PD would just bring themselves into the present with car modifications and give us engine swaps, better wheel offsets and lower ride heights then those of us who want realistic hybrids and refuse to update wouldn't have to do what we're doing...

 

[KraigA]

It's probably already been mentioned but quite a few of my hybrids were unaffected and still work online. That's right, I can still use my 20,000bhp nsx if I want... Although I don't. The patch didn't fix all hybrids... I'm sure there are more out there...

 

[MAidioPT]

It's probably already been mentioned but quite a few of my hybrids were unaffected and still work online. That's right, I can still use my 20,000bhp nsx if I want... Although I don't. The patch didn't fix all hybrids... I'm sure there are more out there...

Wingless seems to work aswell.

 

[LVracerGT]

If none of these :censored:started hacking the game we wouldn't have this trouble correct? CORRECT!

You're beating a dead horse. You can't blame people for wanting to create realistic swap cars. You could blame PD just as much. Hybriding has happened for a while, way before GT5. They should have seen this coming and could have taken steps to prevent it. Or you know, added the features to the game like they could have from day 1.

..... Now if PD would just bring themselves into the present with car modifications and give us engine swaps, better wheel offsets and lower ride heights then those of us who want realistic hybrids and refuse to update wouldn't have to do what we're doing...

 

[Johnnypenso]

If none of these :censored:started hacking the game we wouldn't have this trouble correct? CORRECT!

Hybriding has been a part of the GT series forever. It was up to PD to anticpate how this might happen with GT5 because it was as inevitable as night and day...literally. They dropped the ball, got caught with their pants down, use whatever analogy you like. Then after locking out tuning on the TT's which is fine for anyone that likes that but not fine for guys that like to tune obviously, so less than an ideal solution, they half 🤬 patch it with something that takes away all that is good and positive about hybriding and leave in the very worst of it.

Another example of PD's disconnect with it's core customer base but I'm realistic about that to some degree. The several thousand of us still playing aren't going to make PD any more money, but on the other hand we have brought near on $5Billion into the Sony/PD coffers so we could use a little respect.

 

[nickg07]

How do you mean johnny what do you want PD to offer? Spastic cars?

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=281520

Even if they gave you half of what you wanted you wouldn't be happy and even if they gave you everything you wanted someone else would want a wheel less car..why? Because they are mentally related to a chimp. They could never win regardless of what they allowed.

 

[Tornado]

You keep spamming that thread, and I'm not sure what your point behind doing so is supposed to be. Did Johnnypenso say anything about wanting to have cars that can drive without wheels?

 

[Zuel]

I know of the hacking in the other titles. I myself enjoyed making my cars look like over sized matchbox car with funky wheels in the other titles in the pass and I grew out of it. I can see the Hybrids are a double edge sword, on one side I can see the great option that can be had and on the other I see the bad or rough option can be had. The thing that really got and still gets me puzzled is why none of this was asked for before? I took the time to look at some of the thing that were asked for in the pass for GT and the TWO top option that were asked for the most were 1. Make the cars act more like their real world counterparts, 2. Give us real world physics. I didn’t see anything or heard of anything of having these other options until we all got the news about the hacked cars. Why is that?

From the facts I’ve seen it was never pushed correctly or asked for correctly and this is why it never was added to the GT5 title. If it was we would have the options to do the swaps and more. Maybe we’ll get it in GT6 but I really doubt these options will be added.

How do you mean johnny what do you want PD to offer? Spastic cars?

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=281520

Even if they gave you half of what you wanted you wouldn't be happy and even if they gave you everything you wanted someone else would want a wheel less car..why? Because they are mentally related to a chimp. They could never win regardless of what they allowed.

👍
When I seen a none wheeled R32 VW today, I had to come back and give you a thumbs up.

 

[KinLM]

You keep spamming that thread

As far as I can tell, he has 1 post in that thread. Perhaps he had more and they were deleted? Because I don't see how his one post was spamming in any way.

 

[Tornado]

Spamming as in dropping the link to that thread in multiple other threads as if it means anything as a point.

The thing that really got and still gets me puzzled is why none of this was asked for before? I took the time to look at some of the thing that were asked for in the pass for GT and the TWO top option that were asked for the most were 1. Make the cars act more like their real world counterparts, 2. Give us real world physics. I didn’t see anything or heard of anything of having these other options until we all got the news about the hacked cars. Why is that?

Because you don't pay attention well enough? Because I can assure you that more tuning and visual customization was something people absolutely wanted for GT5, from the second the GT5 forum was opened. And each Forza release caused a spike in the sentiment.


That's just the stuff before GT5 came out, for the record. If we went over every thread about people criticizing GT5's customization for being lacking (or talking about whether PD could patch it in) before hybrids came out, we'd be here all day; nevermind the discussions in the GT6 forum on the matter.

 

[C_Raccoon23]

Zuel, I can't believe you're using that argument again. It didn't make sense on the news page and it doesn't make sense now. As Tornado pointed out, people have been asking for these things for a long time. And again, PD probably couldn't add them so easily as so many things were requested to be put in the game since its release.

 

[Voodoovaj]

BTW, public service announcement, if you choose to revert also remember to turn off automatic updates

 

[Wankelhead]

BTW, public service announcement, if you choose to revert also remember to turn off automatic updates

Is that an ingame option?

 

[Voodoovaj]

Is that an ingame option?

System option if you have Playstation Plus. That's how I upgraded to 2.12 the first time. I forgot all about it.

On the bright side, if you have not viewed a modified car in 2.12 (in other words, you just left it in the garage and never opened it) that car will remain modded when you revert to 2.11. It turns out that I only lost a handful of cars.

 

[Wankelhead]

System option if you have Playstation Plus. That's how I upgraded to 2.12 the first time. I forgot all about it.

On the bright side, if you have not viewed a modified car in 2.12 (in other words, you just left it in the garage and never opened it) that car will remain modded when you revert to 2.11. It turns out that I only lost a handful of cars.

Since I don't have PS Plus, I'm fine then.
And those are great news!
Thanks for the tip! 👍