Will you be updating to 2.12?

[Zuel]

Spamming as in dropping the link to that thread in multiple other threads as if it means anything as a point.



Because you don't pay attention well enough? Because I can assure you that more tuning and visual customization was something people absolutely wanted for GT5, from the second the GT5 forum was opened. And each Forza release caused a spike in the sentiment.


That's just the stuff before GT5 came out, for the record. If we went over every thread about people criticizing GT5's customization for being lacking (or talking about whether PD could patch it in) before hybrids came out, we'd be here all day; nevermind the discussions in the GT6 forum on the matter.

Zuel, I can't believe you're using that argument again. It didn't make sense on the news page and it doesn't make sense now. As Tornado pointed out, people have been asking for these things for a long time. And again, PD probably couldn't add them so easily as so many things were requested to be put in the game since its release.

Why are both of you so naive? And to state I don’t pay attention enough is foolish and childish and plainly states no common sense. I know of these options being asked for we all do. Like I stated before the reason why these weren't added was due to they weren't PUSHED OR ASKED for correctly or in a manner to convince PD those options had any value. If all of those options had any value or was asked for in a manner that made them have value then those options would have been added.

The only option that were added were options of value according to the community and what was asked for. And it clearly state that none of these was properly asked for or pushed for, if so they would had value and be added into GT5.

 

[Tornado]

Why are both of you so naive? And to state I don’t pay attention enough is foolish and childish and plainly states no common sense.

You don't get to lecture people on what is and isn't common sense.

I know of these options being asked for we all do.

Clearly you don't if you're making foolish comments about how the reason they weren't done is because no one asked PD about including them, as if PD needs to be made explicitly aware of the standards of the genre to implement said features.

Like I stated before the reason why these weren't added was due to they weren't PUSHED OR ASKED for correctly or in a manner to convince PD those options had any value. If all of those options had any value or was asked for in a manner that made them have value then those options would have been added.

The only option that were added were options of value according to the community and what was asked for. And it clearly state that none of these was properly asked for or pushed for, if so they would had value and be added into GT5.

I didn't know you were Kaz and thus could comment on the situation in that way as if it meant anything. But it's also pretty funny that you're resorting to the "if it was worth doing, they would have done it" defense. Who asked for the paint chip system instead of a color wheel, by the way?

 

[C_Raccoon23]

Weren't properly asked for? Really? Did we forget to say "Pretty please, with a cherry on top?" or something? Since we're so naive, please bless us with your wisdom King of Common Sense.

 

[Zuel]

You don't get to lecture people on what is and isn't common sense.



Clearly you don't if you're making foolish comments about how the reason they weren't done is because no one asked PD about including them, as if PD needs to be made explicitly aware of the standards of the genre to implement said features.



I didn't know you were Kaz and thus could comment on the situation in that way as if it meant anything. But it's also pretty funny that you're resorting to the "if it was worth doing, they would have done it" defense. Who asked for the paint chip system instead of a color wheel, by the way?

Weren't properly asked for? Really? Did we forget to say "Pretty please, with a cherry on top?" or something? Since we're so naive, please bless us with your wisdom King of Common Sense.

I’m not here to lecture on common sense; everyone on this form should be mature and intelligent enough to know the difference. Nor is I Kaz or had any on hands dealing with GT5 or any of the pass titles. There have been a number of things or options that have been added to GT5 and those things were asked and pushed properly which made them had value which in turn had those options or features added. It’s plainly clear that these options and features were not asked or pushed correctly.

 

[C_Raccoon23]

Then let's take race suits for example. How on earth were those asked for properly that PD thought they were worth adding to the game?

 

[Zuel]

Then let's take race suits for example. How on earth were those asked for properly that PD thought they were worth adding to the game?

Those where added due to Kaz thought it would be nice and correct due to the B-Spec driver option. I haven't seen nothing of this being asked for. Along with the paint chips.

 

[LVracerGT]

Those where added due to Kaz thought it would be nice and correct due to the B-Spec driver option. I haven't seen nothing of this being asked for. Along with the paint chips.

Please stop.... my head hurts trying to understand where this is coming from

 

[Harry6784]

I see hacked cars is 2.12 so what's the point...

 

[Zuel]

I just got to my friends place, he also followed the steps shown on You Tube to crack the 2.12 update. After looking at all the options I can only understand a very small portions of why some are so upsets. There is really not a lot there to choose from. Maybe the tires "just to see how they compare go the others" The other bolt in parts for power should have been added along with the brake upgrade. Besides that there is nothing to be upset about. I don't see any options for what is being asked for in the swaps as for the other stuff it's here in plain site. Though it wasn't unlocked. Why is that? Maybe due to it wasn't push or asked for correctly. That the only conclusion I can come up. The other items are good and would be nice to have unlocked but there is no reason to get all in arms for them. Those items aren't really that much of a big deal, after looking at them instead of hearing of them I really don't see point anymore.

At first I was half heart for the hacks after reading about some of these items or options with held. Though after seeing them and testing them first hand I can truly see the true intent of the hacks. People got bored with what GT5 had to offer. Some got bored with the current option available and wanted to see what else has to be offered knowing items were added but not unlocked due to rejoin or a specified event. Like the fund raising event for Japan that saw the white G50 x2010 if I'm correct. " I would look it up but I'm on my phone" No are no other items or options to worry about. If you want to add power or change a color of a copyright car then go on and hack away other wise don't bother, you really aren't gaining anything. Besides use of other tires, a color change, remove a wing or so on.

I see hacked cars is 2.12 so what's the point...

Correct there is no point, and the hacks are pointless. I know a lot of you will disagree with but the hacking will still go on because people weren't happy with the type of customization that was given. You get what is asked for and from these hacking the option to customization more wasn't presented well enough to show PD that it had value.

When it comes to situation like this I think as a developer (As I was once before) to see what could have been done. And on this matter I would only heard what was asked for more and what had the most value to the customer. And it seems PD and Kaz added what they felt had value due to what was being asked for more and in the proper manner. Like our elders always told us when we were young. "You get what you ask for"

 

[KiroKai]

Zuel, why do you spend hours of your life going on with the same disproven arguments about things you assume/think, than state the things as facts and expect everyone to praise you for your unlimited wisdom and knowledge? Is that really your attitude?

[...]because people weren't happy with the type of customization[...]

And could you 🤬 stop speaking about third persons like you know their exact motivations for doing whatever they do with the game. You've clearly stated that you only see few reasons why people would create hybrids in GT5, fine, but stop assuming that your assumptions are all and everything players follow, okay?

 

[C_Raccoon23]

It's worse than arguing with a brick wall. He's just repeating the same points and not bothering to back them up.

 

[Tornado]

inb4 "they didn't include increased customization because it would ruin step tuning"

 

[Zuel]

inb4 "they didn't include increased customization because it would ruin step tuning"

Give this man a prize. 👍

 

[Zuel]

Zuel, why do you spend hours of your life going on with the same disproven arguments about things you assume/think, than state the things as facts and expect everyone to praise you for your unlimited wisdom and knowledge? Is that really your attitude?

And could you 🤬 stop speaking about third persons like you know their exact motivations for doing whatever they do with the game. You've clearly stated that you only see few reasons why people would create hybrids in GT5, fine, but stop assuming that your assumptions are all and everything players follow, okay?

If you think I spend hours here trying to disapprove then you got a complex. I follow the facts and history; I don’t or will not assume anything due to it shows how incompetent someone can be plus it just make you look like a jack 🤬. As of thinking in third person, I thought of the time when I developed web sites and what the customer wanted. “Are we not customers of Sony and PD?”

What is wrong with me only seeing a few of the views why people want to hybrid? I seen the open menu, looked at the parts that were held back along with the tires. After testing them I really don’t see what the big deal is now. Yea you get to change the color of a copyrighted car, remove a wing, put on extra parts for power or change the code for more power, remove more weight with the S4 and S5 weight reductions that’s it nothing more. And some of you are really getting upset about it? Come on if you’re really getting upset over these options and not having the option to use them? I can come up with better stuff to get worked up about.

REAL world physics beside what is offered now.

1. Engine malfunctions, Engine blowing up from keeping it in red line too much and so on.

2. Tire blow outs, flat spots, tire pressure, punchers, wheel damage from hit the curbs too much and so on.

3. Full blown damage, like when you break something your race in done. Not like this Mickey Mouse crap, pull into the pits fully fixed or you roll for a moment then you’re fixed. That’s ARCADE 🤬.

4. A true flag system, Oil,Blue, Red, Black, Black Orange " Lolly POP" White, Green flags, not this Mickey Mouse ghost crap.
I can go on and on about but there is no point.

GT5 basically is not a simulator or a driving simulator; it’s now an arcade game. If it was a true simulator we’ll have real world option and the physics above. Correct?

( Addition)

Can anyone tell me or does anyone know why GT5 doesn't have any of the real world physics or actinos that I listed above and title such as F1 2010,11,12, NASCAR 2008,09,10,11,12 and the latest title, Dirt,2,3 and others all have those real world actions and GT5 doesn’t?

(Another addition)
I forgot real world race divisions or events, having the option to do work on the cars from the pit garage instead of having to back off track to do the work, oil change in the pit garage, or even more tuning option for the suspicion, more tuning option for the transmission. There is so much that could have been added besides simple 🤬.

 

[sparkytooth]

If you think I spend hours here trying to disapprove then you got a complex. I follow the facts and history; I don’t or will not assume anything due to it shows how incompetent someone can be plus it just make you look like a jack 🤬. As of thinking in third person, I thought of the time when I developed web sites and what the customer wanted. “Are we not customers of Sony and PD?”

What is wrong with me only seeing a few of the views why people want to hybrid? I seen the open menu, looked at the parts that were held back along with the tires. After testing them I really don’t see what the big deal is now. Yea you get to change the color of a copyrighted car, remove a wing, put on extra parts for power or change the code for more power, remove more weight with the S4 and S5 weight reductions that’s it nothing more. And some of you are really getting upset about it? Come on if you’re really getting upset over these options and not having the option to use them? I can come up with better stuff to get worked up about.

REAL world physics beside what is offered now.

1. Engine malfunctions, Engine blowing up from keeping it in red line too much and so on.

2. Tire blow outs, flat spots, tire pressure, punchers, wheel damage from hit the curbs too much and so on.

3. Full blown damage, like when you break something your race in done. Not like this Mickey Mouse crap, pull into the pits fully fixed or you roll for a moment then you’re fixed. That’s ARCADE 🤬.

4. A true flag system, Oil,Blue, Red, Black, Black Orange " Lolly POP" White, Green flags, not this Mickey Mouse ghost crap.
I can go on and on about but there is no point.

GT5 basically is not a simulator or a driving simulator; it’s now an arcade game. If it was a true simulator we’ll have real world option and the physics above. Correct?

( Addition)

Can anyone tell me or does anyone know why GT5 doesn't have any of the real world physics or actinos that I listed above and title such as F1 2010,11,12, NASCAR 2008,09,10,11,12 and the latest title, Dirt,2,3 and others all have those real world actions and GT5 doesn’t?

(Another addition)
I forgot real world race divisions or events, having the option to do work on the cars from the pit garage instead of having to back off track to do the work, oil change in the pit garage, or even more tuning option for the suspicion, more tuning option for the transmission. There is so much that could have been added besides simple 🤬.

Those physics stuff you talked about should be written down here:

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=260298

Also: Jeez what's wrong with Mickey Mouse FFS.

 

[KinLM]

If you think I spend hours here trying to disapprove then you got a complex. I follow the facts and history; I don’t or will not assume anything due to it shows how incompetent someone can be plus it just make you look like a jack 🤬. As of thinking in third person, I thought of the time when I developed web sites and what the customer wanted. “Are we not customers of Sony and PD?”

Sorta rude tone.. Not necessary to call people names.

What is wrong with me only seeing a few of the views why people want to hybrid? I seen the open menu, looked at the parts that were held back along with the tires. After testing them I really don’t see what the big deal is now. Yea you get to change the color of a copyrighted car, remove a wing, put on extra parts for power or change the code for more power, remove more weight with the S4 and S5 weight reductions that’s it nothing more. And some of you are really getting upset about it? Come on if you’re really getting upset over these options and not having the option to use them? I can come up with better stuff to get worked up about.

You seem to be quite worked up too.. Maybe everybody should relax.

REAL world physics beside what is offered now.

1. Engine malfunctions, Engine blowing up from keeping it in red line too much and so on.

2. Tire blow outs, flat spots, tire pressure, punchers, wheel damage from hit the curbs too much and so on.

3. Full blown damage, like when you break something your race in done. Not like this Mickey Mouse crap, pull into the pits fully fixed or you roll for a moment then you’re fixed. That’s ARCADE 🤬.

4. A true flag system, Oil,Blue, Red, Black, Black Orange " Lolly POP" White, Green flags, not this Mickey Mouse ghost crap.
I can go on and on about but there is no point.

Are these your ideas of physics? Because almost none of that is physics-related. Most is a damage simulator.

GT5 basically is not a simulator or a driving simulator; it’s now an arcade game. If it was a true simulator we’ll have real world option and the physics above. Correct?

Go play any NFS game. You obviously don't understand what a true arcade game is.

( Addition)

Can anyone tell me or does anyone know why GT5 doesn't have any of the real world physics or actinos that I listed above and title such as F1 2010,11,12, NASCAR 2008,09,10,11,12 and the latest title, Dirt,2,3 and others all have those real world actions and GT5 doesn’t?

With the possible exception of the F1 series and NTG:IL, none of those games have physics as good as GT's. They have better damage simulation, but not physics. And I had to laugh at you mentioning those two NASCAR games.

My car does 10 flips every time I exit turn 4 on Martinsville. Really realistic physics there!

(Another addition)
I forgot real world race divisions or events, having the option to do work on the cars from the pit garage instead of having to back off track to do the work, oil change in the pit garage, or even more tuning option for the suspicion, more tuning option for the transmission. There is so much that could have been added besides simple 🤬.

And what games let you do any of this? Exactly. The only one that's remotely close are maybe a few NASCAR games as quick changes are something that characterize a NASCAR pitstop. Otherwise, there are very few games that simulate any of that.

I'm glad PD didn't add any of that. While it would be cool, they've got bigger things to fix and add before we worry about changing our oil in the pits.

 

[Zuel]

Sorta rude tone.. Not necessary to call people names.
You seem to be quite worked up too.. Maybe everybody should relax.
Are these your ideas of physics? Because almost none of that is physics-related. Most is a damage simulator.
Go play any NFS game. You obviously don't understand what a true arcade game is.

With the possible exception of the F1 series and NTG:IL, none of those games have physics as good as GT's. They have better damage simulation, but not physics. And I had to laugh at you mentioning those two NASCAR games.

My car does 10 flips every time I exit turn 4 on Martinsville. Really realistic physics there!


And what games let you do any of this? Exactly. The only one that's remotely close are maybe a few NASCAR games as quick changes are something that characterize a NASCAR pitstop. Otherwise, there are very few games that simulate any of that.

I'm glad PD didn't add any of that. While it would be cool, they've got bigger things to fix and add before we worry about changing our oil in the pits.

NFS really? If I wanted to do something of that fashion I’ll go play with my daughters dolls. I was stating why GT doesn’t have any of these physical options, I never compared the physics. As of now no one will compare to the physics of GT. On the matter of the flag system, real world race division and such, which TRUE simulator should have or are working on. There are to many titles to name so you can look that up yourself. Though one or maybe two comes to mind, Project Cars and RFactor2, yes both of these titles are PC based but both of them are coming to the PS3. Project Cars is what GT should be and more, RFactor2 is right behind.

Plus what is there for PD to worry about besides people trying to hack the software? I just took a look at the stocks they look fine. There is no hint of trouble within the company, teams or so on.

( Addition)
I forgot about SimRaceWay which is the leading true based simulator on the market. If you don't think so compare it to GT5, Iracing or any other. Even though it's PC based.

 

[Zuel]

Those physics stuff you talked about should be written down here:

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=260298

Also: Jeez what's wrong with Mickey Mouse FFS.

I already know of Earths thread. I'm really surprised that he actually posted that thread. I still really surprised.

 

[KinLM]

NFS really? If I wanted to do something of that fashion I’ll go play with my daughters dolls. I was stating why GT doesn’t have any of these physical options, I never compared the physics. As of now no one will compare to the physics of GT. On the matter of the flag system, real world race division and such, which TRUE simulator should have or are working on. There are to many titles to name so you can look that up yourself. Though one or maybe two comes to mind, Project Cars and RFactor2, yes both of these titles are PC based but both of them are coming to the PS3. Project Cars is what GT should be and more, RFactor2 is right behind.

Plus what is there for PD to worry about besides people trying to hack the software? I just took a look at the stocks they look fine. There is no hint of trouble within the company, teams or so on.

( Addition)
I forgot about SimRaceWay which is the leading true based simulator on the market. If you don't think so compare it to GT5, Iracing or any other. Even though it's PC based.

Hard to believe you when you post so many false things. For instance, rFactor 2 (as far as I've heard) Isn't and never was planned to come to consoles.

Also all your comparisons are PC based. That's a totally different world. We're talking about consoles here, if I want a real sim then I'll play rFactor on my PC. But that's not always what I want to do, especially since it's very hard for me to hook up my G27 and my computer to my TV compared to just turning on my console and playing.

 

[jimipitbull]

REAL world physics beside what is offered now.

1. Engine malfunctions, Engine blowing up from keeping it in red line too much and so on.

Sounds like bad driving habits.

2. Tire blow outs, flat spots, tire pressure, punchers, wheel damage from hit the curbs too much and so on.

Sounds like bad driving habits. Try to avoid the curbs.

3. Full blown damage, like when you break something your race in done. Not like this Mickey Mouse crap, pull into the pits fully fixed or you roll for a moment then you’re fixed. That’s ARCADE 🤬.

Sounds like bad driving habits. Try to avoid collisions.

4. A true flag system, Oil,Blue, Red, Black, Black Orange " Lolly POP" White, Green flags, not this Mickey Mouse ghost crap.
I can go on and on about but there is no point.

There is a different flag for each country.

GT5 basically is not a simulator or a driving simulator; it’s now an arcade game. If it was a true simulator we’ll have real world option and the physics above. Correct?

Incorrect. It helps to look at the definition of a word before arguing against it.

Simulator - a machine for simulating certain environmental and other conditions for purposes of training or experimentation.

Can anyone tell me or does anyone know why GT5 doesn't have any of the real world physics or actinos that I listed above and title such as F1 2010,11,12, NASCAR 2008,09,10,11,12 and the latest title, Dirt,2,3 and others all have those real world actions and GT5 doesn’t?

Your DS3 vibrates more realistically in these other games?

I forgot real world race divisions or events, having the option to do work on the cars from the pit garage instead of having to back off track to do the work, oil change in the pit garage, or even more tuning option for the suspicion, more tuning option for the transmission. There is so much that could have been added besides simple 🤬.

Suspicion is a mental picture.

 

[KiroKai]

Zuel, you still got this attitude, your assumptions and opinions are all that matter to you. I'll take my time once again to give you a detailed answer why I feel like your posts are completely biased, wrong, and insulting on top of that. I expect another grumpy reply from you, I'll probably read it and never answer it. And please, will you stop the double posts? There's a multiquote feature.

I don’t or will not assume anything

Just let me give you an example of your assumption:

As of thinking in third person, I thought of the time when I developed web sites and what the customer wanted.

There you go. Your assumptions/thoughts.

And yeah sure, you can state what you think/expect, but the way you say it like it's the definite truth and the aspects you consider are only existing facts how they are is what annoys me about your posts.

What is wrong with me only seeing a few of the views why people want to hybrid?

[Followed by a few examples of what can be done through modding]

Nothing wrong with that, except you say this 3 lines down your paragraph:

that's it nothing more. Come on if you’re really getting upset over these options and not having the option to use them? I can come up with better stuff to get worked up about.

[Followed by ramblings about why you think GT5 and its physics sucks, what you want in GT5, and more crap]

So you took your examples (although you completely and dare I say, purposely, left out main positive aspects as part/engine swaps), state it as THE ALL AND EVERYTHING, and than you end it off with

There is so much that could have been added besides simple 🤬.

Yes, there is something wrong about being this ignorant. You take your view and knowledge as the ultimate wisdom and judgement, than you go and make arrogant statements, and than you even insult people who do things you have barely got any idea of. Stop it. Just... stop it. Your inability to discuss it properly just makes it worse. And before you're about to jump on this sentence, think about this: did any reply in this forum actually make you change your thinking and attitude?

I still really surprised.

Think about it. There are other people on your level of 'knowledge' and 'wisdom'. There are people below it, and there are certainly people above it, who got different opinions. Just because they don't agree with you it doesn't mean their opinion - towards what should be added in the game for example - means less than yours. The way you blame the community for all and everything the game lacks in your opinion is ridiculous.

I'm done.

There is a different flag for each country.

Your DS3 vibrates more realistically in these other games?

Suspicion is a mental picture.

He keeps mixing words phonetically. Makes his arrogant attitude even more funny, considering he's 40 and English is his first language.

 

[Vagabond]

This is no longer a conversation about the merits of the patch and our take on it. In fact it hasn't been for some time.

 

[thelvynau]

This is no longer a conversation about the merits of the patch and our take on it. In fact it hasn't been for some time.

What is It?

 

[KiroKai]

Granted, I've gone pretty personal with my last two posts. I'm just tired of getting insulted from ignorant/arrogant people.

But as I said, I'm also tired of arguing about it.

To get back on topic, I gave in and decided to update to 2.12. The only game mode that still attract me to GT5 are online lobbies and photomode, but once I've had shot photos of all my wingless beauties there wasn't much left to do. AI racing (or racing in general) doesn't really appear to me in GT5 anymore, it's not much fun and I have all rewards I want in the game (speaking car wise), so I just enjoy what I have, preferably with friends.

 

[Vagabond]

Its an exercise in conceptual intimidation in which the protagonists are each attempting to undermine the validity of their opponents perceptions of both the manifest issues and themselves.

 

[thelvynau]

Its an exercise in conceptual intimidation in which the protagonists are each attempting to undermine the validity of their opponents perceptions of both the manifest issues and themselves.

I had one of them but the back wheel fell off.

 

[jimipitbull]

Its an exercise in conceptual intimidation in which the protagonists are each attempting to undermine the validity of their opponents perceptions of both the manifest issues and themselves.

Clear your mind must be if you are to discover the real villains behind this plot.

 

[Lewis_Hamilton_]

I gave in and decided to update to 2.12. Once I've had shot photos of all my wingless beauties there wasn't much left to do. AI racing (or racing in general) doesn't really appear to me in GT5 anymore

Have you tried using the secret menu as an event creator, with Arcade mode aggression set to max?


You can set up karts Vs car races. The 100cc karts go well with 400pp cars on a longer circuit and the 125cc karts go well with 450pp cars on a tighter circuit, increase the PP of the cars more the tighter the circuit. The races are epic and on the corners, the AI navigates the karts around the cars better than expected.

Another scenario is stacking half a field of 2010 and 2011 NASCARs against the very best supercars such as the McLaren F1, Ferrari Enzo, Lamborghini Aventador, Pagani Zonda, GT by Citroen Concept etc on somewhere like Circuit De La Sarthe.

GT300 cars Vs Rally cars is also a good combo if I remember rightly.

 

[KiroKai]

I had a few A-Spec races with changed grid, but than I tried the name changer function and had to deactivate the menu in my save to get lobby chat back. I should re-enable it and try those. Thanks. 👍

 

[Zuel]

Typo's Typo's
I used the secret menu to Lewis to make up my own race events and I must say. WHAT A BLOODY BLAST!! I haven't had that much fun playing GT since GT one. Now only if something like that can be doe in open, private lobbies. Still not impressed with the other pats though.