http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8padDk9ZakE
Here’s an interesting video from GT5’s latest appearance at Gamelab in Spain last weekend: watch the dust kicked up by the cars as they clip the inside of the curb around 1:20. As you can see, it appears to be quickly whisked away by a strong breeze. This is quite different from what we saw when GT5‘s new Nurburgring circuit was officially revealed back in May – watch the video below of the same car from the same camera angle, and you’ll see a puff of dust rise straight up into the air, undisturbed.
With that said, the wind effect appears to be somewhat over-exaggerated, and you’ll notice that nothing else in the environment is moving appropriately (most obviously, the trees). So, is this just an errant bug? Or is it, perhaps, a tiny sample of GT5‘s weather effects that accidentally slipped into this demo? I’m not convinced just yet, but it’s a curiosity that I hope we will be able to learn more about very soon.
Thanks to sharp-eyed reader “Ringmaster” for sending this in!
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Ah well… we’ll find out eventually. And I think we should all trust good ol’ Kaz. He left us waiting for years and years and we know that he wont think twice about delaying GT5 another year… he wont give us a game with half baked wind effects, or glaringly obvious graphical glitches… we will all (hopefully) find out when November rolls in… for now lets just watch funny videos of people getting smacked in the face by a football:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_lP0CmEA6PA
Dont think its a glitch.I think PD actually intended to portray effects such as dust, sparks and wind
i’m pretty sure they make the dust disappear to save system resources.
This same effect is present in Prologue. The grass is moving because the passing cars are pushing the air out from in front of them.
Looks like a bug because the trees are not moving at all, especially at the intensity the dusk is supposedly being blown away at.
Anybody else notice that the windshield shatters and shards of glass enter the cockpit at 7:42?
It doesn’t look like the windscreen shatters. I can’t see any shards of glass, only a few white spots that look like a glitch problem with the cabin shadows.
Very interesting thing I’ve noted though is that the track fence actually casts shadows onto the interior dashboard of the car. Take a look when he drives into the fence.
Incredible stuff, but I think the wind effects are exaggerated and should be toned down.
I know this has nothing to do with this article…
But do you think you will be able to play your own music in the game?
While I’ve been waiting for GT5, I’ve been playing Midnight Club and I love the fact that I can just play the music straight off my Hard-drive
yes I saw that feature already somewhere !
I hope they add hurricanes and tornadoes, and tsunami and volcano eruption, drought, dust storm, earthquakes, and all the calamities. that would be fun. :lol:?
Ok, but seriously I think this wind effect is cool. They already have the wind effect in GT4, Tourist Throphy, and GT5 prologue, so why not amp it up with more effect? WRC is going to be crazy with this.
Whatever it is just don’t delay the release again! Then when it’s release feel free to play around with wind, sparks, track temp, physics for GT6
Indeed at 1:49 it looks like it actually might be an intentional wind effect. Pretty damn cool if the full game will have rain pouring sideways and trees swaying like mad.
Then again, haven’t we already been disappointed enough? Better to judge this as a bug for now…
yep.
Looking at it again (and this probably being my 1000,000th comment on this page) The smoke looks over exadurated and weird on the nordschleife, but if this in in toscana, boy oh boy does PD have something good in store for us, btw thanks for all these great apetizers!
Yes R2, while I most heartily agree, I must insist you refrain. I do believe that is a capital offense on this planet.
That isn’t wind… Its more like if the grass is wet and right when the cars drove over it it splashed it splashed water…
Its quite obvious that isn’t wind… Wind is not visible and it happened right when the cars drove over the spot in the grass where the “wind” as you call it splashes away. Only you are to stupid to realize it… Dumbasses… Geez… -.-
It’s the ussual dust cloud that’s been in GT5P and previous GTs that your seeing, not water, only it’s moving faster than previously.
We know that wind isn’t visible, but a dust cloud blowing in the wind is.
The fact that anyone has to explain this to you is absolutely amazing. I won’t even bother to return the namecalling, you’ve pretty much just put the same thought into everyone’s head anyway. Geez O_o
Boop, whoop, bleet, weeeoow, chitter, bleep, chirp….
Splashed water? Come on mate, that’s the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever heard. I’ve seen better water effects on a Commodore 64.
SALEEN_S7-GTR
How much memory am I going to have to save for this game?! I mean wind? What will they think of next, tornados that appear in the track to throw your car off the track, and then see a cow come out of no-where after this tornado and have it smash into your windsheild?! geesh!
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Drogahnus
…? What’s wrong with having wind effects in the game? Your comparison to the inclusion of a tornado is absurd and makes no sense.
HAHAHAHAHAH….you two make me laugh.
Nice code solution to plotting the dust hanging in the air rally car style would be to whisk it away in a breeze. Saves having to code around the next car bringing it up etc…
OMG this is news? are you all seriou,you actually think its wind? its clearly a preset dirt cloud as every car leaves the same effect. im glad you all like it as i will be looking forward to looking out for dirt clouds while im racing and maybe even stop to admire them WOW thats amazing where are we.and why is it gtplanet are always a day behind the so called news? lol
We’ll just make it less typing for Jordan, and copy over the conversation from the last guy who posted this…
umm_K
ehhh, it passes the time. Don’t think I call it exciting either, but until something comes along that is, Jordans got to post something to keep finger twiddlers busy or we start chewing sneakers and piddling on the floors.
Besides, if stuff like this didn’t get posted, you’d have people complianing that the site wasn’t on top of things.
July 8th, 2010 at 1:06 pm # Jordan
Of course this is newsworthy. If you only want major announcements, stick to the official GT site.
July 8th, 2010 at 1:41 pm # maxpontiac
I like the alternative Jordan.
He can avoid coming here.
July 8th, 2010 at 2:43 pm # Erik
Tsunamis doesn’t come from the sky (unless the waves are really huge, but clouds really have nothing to do with them…)
Its abit strange that the wind effects displayed (which IMHO are alittle excessive in effect) occures, yet there is no visible swaying of the trees?
I wonder if this will effect handling (particularly on lighter cars)
Still, this game is gonna be the end of my social life for months when it comes out.
You know, GT doesn’t have to be an end of the social life.
Unfortunately I don’t think I can share the specific solution without getting banned for life. Let’s just say with the proper GT settup, you can do plenty of other activities commonly done in cars besides driving, and somtimes even done durring driving…
Oh what the heck, I’ll share, you know, things like texting, phonecalls, and emailing…. ;P
1:48 the smoke from the zr1 is blowing to the left… i don’t thinks its a glitch if not nice job pd.
With that being a Gran Turismo Game, I can’t really believe that this is a bug …but it doesn’t look realistic, as long as you don’t drive in a tornado.
So I guess it’s a bit like the fast forward day/night transition in those E3-Demos or something like that. Maybe Polyphony got some adjustable wind settings built into the game engine and they set it accidentally on max? :D
looks cool. nuff said.
It’s looking OK, but a little random in the looks of it, so if this were a real wind effect it probably should have some randomness to it, to really kick in.. so you would be able to read the weather while racing in highspeed, otherwise is just ?
Below video has a strong driver behind the wheel, a little tough of times, but great mastering of the inCar look, I suck in there LOL :O)
Wind effect?? If you look closely you can see that it’s the dirt coming out from the tires when it its the grass…
This guy can’t drive. Wind will be cool tho
The dust kicked up from the curb looked like a glitch, but then the tire smoke blew the same way, and it looked AWESOME, there just may be something here…
This comes with a simple explanation:
A-hem, GT5 now has new tires, we have N1 to R3, now we have the P class of Pot-Head tires. These are by far the most advanced tires in the world. You see, when driving on the grass or any surface with plants, the tires grab the plants and smoke them quickly, becoming high. If they were to go by a tree for example, the tires would grab the tree, lit it, and smoke it.
OK seriously, it’s probably a bug.
We are expecting a ‘mind-blowing’ game but the line has got to be drawn somewhere short of dope smoking.
I liked the exaggeration though.
We haven’t seen dust do this in any of the other videos we have seen so something must have changed to make it behave like this. There has to be something in it as there is such a big difference between video 1 and video 2.
Also, notice in the first video under the N of Nordschleife, whats the little grey line?
Lol. I’m impressed by the minimal details people notice.
I don’t know what that line is, but I don’t think it’s something for us to worry about. O.o
It’s part of the highlight that let You know what You get when You hit X.
Completely random but was that a fire alarm, like half way through the video
This is interesting!
If Toyota supra mk IV, BMW M3 E30,E36,E46,VW Golf MK1 GTI,Toyota AE86,Audi A4 1999,Honda Mugen Civic 2003,New Beatle,Renault clio rs new don’t have hight quality interior view, I kill Kazunori Yamauchi and then myself.
You have the sequence reversed…kill yourself first :).
This what all murder / suicide perpetrators should do.
I’m hoping the Pontiac Soltice is there as that’s my daily drive.
I think the 2nd video looks much better, the first one, Looks way over exaggerated
Nah, just the cars kicking up some dust from rolling on the rumbles.
that’s not a bug, its just the regular and plein old dirt smoke effect from running on grass/sand/dirt. It just happens to dissipate towards the left.
Nothing to cry home about.
Stormy weather :) Wind so strong that even the Veyron can`t exceed 100km/h (60mp/h) ^^ That would be like a dream come true :)
So, 700 km/h in the opposite direction then? Could be fun. 0 – 100 in just about the time it takes to undo the handbrake ^^
I honestly believe the dust/wind effect we see is something similar to fast day/night clock.
Think about it.
Did no one notice near the end when the screen went blank and back on it said 720p/60!?
That’s from the TV, not the game (60 is the number of frames per second).
Wow, this is newsworthy? Looks more like a graphical glitch than anything. Also, notice how it only happens when a car hits the curb. i.e. the cars are kicking up dust. This is what you guys call an exciting new feature. You guys must be desperate.
Next thing you know, there’s going to be a feature on the front page analyzing the clouds and whether they’re cumulonimbus or stratus and if it could mean potential tsunamis or hurricanes.
ehhh, it passes the time. Don’t think I call it exciting either, but until something comes along that is, Jordans got to post something to keep finger twiddlers busy or we start chewing sneakers and piddling on the floors.
Besides, if stuff like this didn’t get posted, you’d have people complianing that the site wasn’t on top of things.
Of course this is newsworthy. If you only want major announcements, stick to the official GT site.
I like the alternative Jordan.
He can avoid coming here.
Tsunamis doesn’t come from the sky (unless the waves are really huge, but clouds really have nothing to do with them…)
The guy in the second video must be first decent driver what i have seen from GT5.
“Decent” driver? They’re awful, and are clearly using Arcade physics.
Ah! And the credit for the videos goes to Ffelagund.
I must add that it could be just a bug with the new effects, ’cause at Gamelab only on Nurburgring on that curb happened, and sparks misteriously dissappeared (on the rest of videos of the same demo there those horrible sparks):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6KWAUE1vOxo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-KRiyWxyUR0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iw1yLoUC9UU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dS8fMAupsxE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8padDk9ZakE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aopF152tt5E
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0leyq8zMrKs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6AJZ8NnOb1M
I’m pretty sure it’s the grass\dirt that flies up when the car goes on it. Definitely not wind. in the first and second video it happened only when the cars touched that curb. I think it would be over the top if they did wind effects.
Yes, we all realise it’s dirt being kicked up, but if you look instead of the dirt rising then falling and creating a dust cloud, the dust cloud is being blown to the left.
Of course it was dust. But wind effected it. You can’t actually see the wind you know?
Oh! Now I see it! I still think it’s pointless to the experience though. ” Oh wind today is going 10km\h to the west.” “Oh crap now my car is going to go 1.9km\h slower!!!”
Same
Try prologue the dame thing happens
It’s nothing new
I WANT RAIN IN GT5!!
My hope for GT5 was to have the option of racing any track at night with rain but I dont think PD will deliver that. Night and/or rain will be limited to a handful of tracks at most.
Are you sure? This is what I wanted to have in the game, over anything.
Like Jordan, I’m not convinced this is part of weather effects. Good video though
If it’s a bug why did it happen only once? When the ZR-1 spun off, the smoke was normal. Usually, bugs repeat themselves until your patience run out and you restart the race.
Why are the cars driving that far up onto the curb in the first place, pretty dumb if you ask me while not under racing conditions. Work on fixing that little problem first.
Looks good, just needs work. You’d need things like trees moving to make it look convincing. My guess is that the game is still an Alpha build so a lot of the little bugs will need sorting.
a bug like the sparks in the cockpit.
Bug.
hit me baby one more time. Wind looks a bit overboard.
Is this new?
http://www.gametrailers.com/video/tour-trailer-gran-turismo/701523
Bug.
If I recall correctly, wasnt there a vid out of E3 showing I think a racing Lexus and a Suby STi having a prang on a street circuit (Rome?) with a heap of smoke cloud that seemed to drift away over the barriers to the side of the track? Looked a lot more subtle and realistic to me
Looks good, although it looks like a very powerful wind and the trees aren’t affected and would it really be that hard a wind in THAT part of the track with the car AND BARRIERS on that side?? not so sure.
I would really like extra weather affects although i can’t say i would have a strong crosswind over some really good car sounds, like other people have said.
But each to their own!
GT5 demo in the PS store soon??
@Narly – probably because i capitalised HELL. No worries ;-)
Damn That Sls Is Fast !
I Can Feel The Speed !
Haiku?
Well, here comes a sonnet to add to the cultural value of this site. I call it: “Ode to the Winds of Nürburgring”
The wind of Nürburgring seems to blow strong.
Is it intended? It is so confusing.
Some hope for rain, but others are accusing
The wind to be a glitch: it looks so wrong!
I guess we all will see: in not too long
we’ll play the game and, oh, it’ll be amusing!
November second (given that you’re using
pope Gregory’s calendar), all along.
Will Kazunori and his team deliver?
The expectations from the fans are high;
But it’s a thriller, oh we all do shiver!
Can rain fall from such beautiful a sky?
And if it’s heavy, could it form a river?
If not, then Kazunori, I won’t buy!
oh…well ok then, you’ve sounded a bit “harsh” so no offence there ^^
@Narly – Eh? Just saying that i would rather have an addition whereby it makes a difference to the driving aspect of the game rather than car noise which makes no difference. Answering a question that you asked.
GB@ its a game… not something you’ll live on right? take a pill sheesh.. :S
There is a new car listed there too, ive been trying to get on the forum but my comments never seem to go on…again at the 1:09mark you can see the cars in the race listed, you can see the usual suspects except the SLR which has (19inc W written beside it, now most people would see that and dismiss it, however that obviously says “19inch wheels” which the SLR never came in EXCEPT for the SLR 722 special edition :D Which has more power, faster top end, stiffer suspension, lower ride height and some other external things such as red 722 badging and diffuser changes.
To the people saying that you would not notice wind. have you never driven in high winds? It makes a HELL of a difference!
Any GT player will know how much of an advantage slipstreaming gives you, add dynamic wind to the equasion and thats a feature i’d like to see over car sounds.
People crying for wind effects are just stupid. Didn´t we get enough new features in the game. Do we also need winf effects?
I see, that people start crying for heating seats features or the physics effect between an automatic air conditioning or simple ventilation
You know whats more annoying than people crying about wind? People that post topics about wind, complain when people respond to it, then run down the page to other peoples posts and cry about being tired of people crying. Sheesus.
PD should concentrate on car sounds and not on the wind which you’ll never going to notice…what would you pick a nice all-round car sounds or some soulless wind? :D
HIT ME BABY ONE MORE TIME!
On a more serious note, im not sure what to make of this, it sure does look like a strong wind, not a bug, but what is the point of this wind? unless they want to make it more realistic that when the wind blows the clouds come over and rain? just my thought.
Great, but it looks a little over-exagerated. By the way, when will we get to see a demo of someone who can actually drive? Jeez some of these demo drivers need to go back to the licences!
Huhihahaha, guess, none of these demo-drivers would be able, to pass a licence-test, my 2 cents
In de 2nd movie… where is the time-limit ?
I don’t know if this has been mentioned before: The Corvette produces a lot of dust offroad, but if you look in the mirror of the SLS, there is absolutly no smoke or dust in the air when it goes offroad… Hmm? :-(
You’re absolutely right, so I think it’s a bug, or the wind system is still in development.
In games like GRID and NFS Shift there are no smoke in mirrors as well. So that doesn’t tell anything.
Nice. It’s definately new. Not sure if it’s a bug or accidentally leaked wind effects. Let’s hope it’s the latter.
Hard to tell if it’s a bug or not. Even if it’s not, theres no certainty it will be in the final game.
Interesting video, i’m leaning towards it being an implementation rather than a bug.
Extreme wind to show the effect, just like the extremely quick day/night cycle we’ve seen previously.
Looks like they’ve got some bad velocities in their partcile system. No wind – likely a minor bug fix.
if there was no wind, they wouldn’t be playing about with the velocity of particles. You’d just have some camera facing planes which increase in size before fading, its not like they’ve introduced volumetric dust clouds. (at least thats how it appears)
gayest news ever !!
Dumbest comment ever !!
Just so you know, often times I like what you have to say even though you deliver your textual content in a matter which is unbecoming to your online persona. Your usual ‘donkey-like’ sign offs aren’t helping you, seriously. Now, keep in mind that this is simply just the opinion of an Oshawa, Ontario millwright, who has been completing his night shifts, building conveyor for the trim lines at an auto plant which produces the SS Camaro.
What do you do? Think up retarded things to say for a living?
Honestly, you’re representing yourself on the front page of the biggest GT news-site on the planet. Anyone who frequents the front page recognizes you. It’s multinational. MILLIONS of copies of game! sold. Your 4:19 moment is how you’re going to comment on possible wind effects in GT5? On the front page? As a regular contributer?
?
You are the lulz.
what would brings wind if its not irregulate lap times …. like dahh you drove faster than be but that is because I got wind in my face during the long straight in nurburgring !?!? seriously .. ?? I don’t get it maybe its just a new way to throw dust away so it is not staying to loong in the air and in opponents view !
I think the gayest news ever was probably the 3 hour long CBS special on the 1988 gay and lesbian pride parade, held in San Fransisco, and led by Rossie O’donald, Ellen Degener (SP? lol, don’t want to spell it like it sounds), and New Kids on the Block…..
Oh, and I made that completely up. (going for the dumbest comment ever title…..) o_O
First of all. Wind in a game is very good, but there’s a pretty hard breeze there, judging by the first dustclouds in the video. it’s a bit overdone i think. Comparing to the rest of the weatherconditions in the video.
But for the rest GREAT JOB PD!!!
That’s not a bug but I think it looks good.
Whether it is actually weather I don’t know, but when the Corvette runs over the grass at around 1.50 the dust that is kicked-up looks fairly realistic as opposed to these motionless clouds of dirt that we used to get. This looks far more dynamic.
I don’t think it’s entirely clear cut if this is intentional or not. What I would say is that I would rather see this kind of effect than not. At the minute the dust/smoke generated by cars is very unconvincing as it just hangs in the air and quickly fades. Something like global wind is not new and would be relatively easy to implement.
Watching the video again, i’m sure it’s intentional but it looks so unrealistic due to the low speed of the cars at the start of the race. When we see the effect again @ 1:50 it’s much more convincing at speed. I know people are saying who needs wind, but if you’re gonna have clouds of dust, you really do need wind.
Sadly, we won’t see clouds of dust in GT5, as far as we’ve seen. I learned, creating long-lasting dust takes a lot of PS3-power, but if there’s only 2 cars racing, how is that possible ? The processing-capacity for 14 cars can be used for dust – or am I wrong with that ??
Well, dust can in fact take up quite a bit of CPU/GPU, but there are such clouds in prologue, has there have been in past GT versions on older gen consoles. I wouldn’t go so far has to garantee they wouldn’t continue into GT5 itself, but I would be surprised if some form of dust cloud isn’t there.
BTW, blowing the dust clouds off to one side, and out of view, is a way of getting rid of them quicker. Doesn’t mean that there is wind proper mind you, but it could be how they’re getting arround a resource issue of long lasting dust clouds.
Yes, we had dust in past GT versions, but it’s a bit disappointing to me, dust in GT5 desintegrates within 2secs.
In RL there’s dust hanging in the air for minutes sometimes. I didn’t expect the latter in GT5, but I thought, PS3’s power would make it possible to have dust lasting 10 or 15 secs :-(
Maybe you can change the weather to ‘Windy’
:)
Were reading too much into it lol the delays have made us insane!! Let’s sue them
I think more interesting than all of this wind effect (or not) is that during the race selection settings (around the 1:09 mark) you can clearly see in the lower left “start type: Rolling start”
Which says to me that we will have static starts too :D
@freaky
Good eye, that is good news to me. I hate starting a race half a mile behind while the 1st place car has already made the turn and is full throttle down a straight away.
That’s what I’ve been waiting for! Thanks for pointing it out. I do hope it can be selected for every race
If that was made on purpose it’s getting worrying. Too much detail, taking too much time
I don’t think I’ll ever mention this (if it is only “cosmetic” wind) in the game. I tend to be more concerned about the apex, rather than 2/3/4D trees and the direction the dust gets blown away
No wind, seriously. Some people should not have too high expectations. We should be super happy if we see rain, after all. I highly doubt anyone would profit from a wind simulation, if the trees and everything else remains static.
No one needs wind in a racing game. Never needed. So who cares. I think, it is just a bug.
Most important thing is “rainy” or “dry”.
Yes, we just can assume what it is, but the wind is a bit to unrealistic, so if this is weather it looks foolish. I agree, i need either rainy races or dry races. But the feature with day night transition looks amazingly good! Yeah.. who cares on wind, never mind.
Head or tail wind can alter the breaking point after a long straight a lot.
I think wind is at least as important as “rainy” or “dry”.
Agreed with above, wind is just as important.
I drive a ’97 Jeep TJ and the effects from a windy day alters my gas mileage DRAMATICALLY. Not to mention the fact that everyone on the highway thinks I’m drunk because my cardboard box is being blown all over the road.
Wind drastically effects performance.
Yes, you´re right on the one hand wind has effect on the driving physics and on long straights your car can drive faster or slower. But i don´t think that KY can include this physics to the final game in this little period of time. The weather “rain and snow races perhaps like in GT4” needs much adjustment to the car psyhsics and all the phsysics stuff and we have over 1000 cars?!. I hope weather change will be there and night races with rain, also possible. Let´s wait for the gamescom on august. I will be there.
Who cares about wind effects? It is more important to get a good driving feeling. Wind is important for truck drivers, but not for race drivers. Most race cars are aeordynamic perfect, so wind does not effect driving as much as the difference between dry and wet.
Stop hoping for every little physics effect in the game, it is very annoying.
We are just discussing some information or some assumptions. Jes they are perfectly aerodynamic but they need wind to get fast and get better through corners with the right rear wings and any wings the car is better to handle out and out.
ummm,k. Guess we can take the wings off of all the racecars now that all cars have reached aerodynamic perfection and wind no longer has an effect. Downforce from wind traveling over the car will no longer be an issue.
It’s also great that the negative and positive effects of chop and the slipsteam from following another car doesn’t apply anymore, or that gusts over the body won’t be changing handling, fuel usage. acceleration, etc.
It’s great that in this day and age perfect aerodynamics has overruled the law of physics, and rendered airflow, basically wind, unimportant.
To bad aerodynamics is basically the science of guiding wind over a body both to actively control it for performance gains, has well has to counter winds negative effects such has drag.
We don’t need it.
Oh jes, we know all on this page love the game want to play it and so we´ll do in november the europeans later than the us, but we will play the game and and it will cause surprise. If there are wind effects? No one will care then!
:D
We’re talking about a game? Crap I’m on the wrong site, I thought this was the National Soapbox Championship site..L8r
J/K ;P
I m awaiting the day, all of you will be happy about, what you get and not crying about, what you not get.
An endless story.
If you want a game with wind, play Fuel. There you get blown away by Tornados.
I don’t know about wind, but I’d love seeing it snowing. There isn’t snow in my country and I think it’s so beautiful. And I want to see snow falling from the sky, unlike in GT4, where snow just lies on the ground.
Whose crying? You asked who cared, people awnsered you. You brought up the effect of wind, to which people replied. You stated that it’s more important to have a driving feel, something largely dictated by airflow over a car, and you stated wind only important to truck drivers. Again people responded.
My father worked for Chrysler for years in design before he died. Has a result, I have a wind tunnel car model sitting on a shelf next to me right now. Who knows how many times this thing was studied in a tunnel, how many other models built with refinements. Wind and airflow are 100% linked to driving feel and vehicle performance. I can garantee, that at least some portion of a wind model has been provided in every GT ever made has a result, if only just for downforce and slipstream calculations.
If you find this to be an “endless story” I would suggest you quit going to news articles about such things and posting new points for discusion. Or mabey you just expected everyone to blindly agree with you perhaps?…
I think, you do not understand the workflow of a wind tunnel. A windtunnel produces colored wind to see, how the aerodynamic of the car works. But the wind is needed, because the car isn´t driving. Would the car be driven, you would not need the wind
If wind is always needed to increase the effect of aerodynamic, what is about calm?
Aerodynamic just work with the resistance of the atmosphere, because we do not have a vacuum.
Wind influence the driving of cars, you are right. But you need a lot of wind to get a car insecure. But not a truck, every little gust of wind can make it dangerous to drive a truck, because he has more contact surface.
That is what you need do differ.
Ok, the wind tunnel is not just there because the car doesn´t drive it is important for the car production. If you want your car to drive aerodynamicly perfect you have to adjust the car surface/form with the wind beacause later you´ll drive it. If there are wind physics in GT5 it will be a interesting feature. But perhaps we don´t need wind in the game, let me say this is just a exaggerated possibility to put in more physics to the game. The cars are made with wind and drive against it, so there is no trouble with driving it. The wind now is just a problem for the environment perhaps trees which incline themself. If we have heavy wind the car perhaps has to be driven different. You may have to brake earlier/ steer more often or sth. But in normal case we don´t have to worry about that. So guys let´s finish this discussion it´s funny to see how much we are writing. It doesn´t matter we all have our opinion, so it´s good ;)
Wind isn’t just air blowing from thermal displacement in the atmosphere. Even when there is no wind currents occurring naturally, air moving over a car has it passes through space is in effect wind also.
Has for needing alot of it to influence a car, the effect of air moving over the body of a car increases exponentially with velocity, has well has surface and exposed frontal area. A light sports car traveling at highway speeds will be effected by a 30 3mph gust much more than the same car traveling into the same gust at 30 mph. In fact light sports cars have been known to leave the ground and backflip at highway speeds when traveling into has little has 60 mph gusts that would do little other than slow a large truck. At higher speeds, this phonomenon can be witnesses on various race cars with less wind, but higher velocities. F1, Indycar, and Nascar are some of the race cars that have had to deal with this.
On any aerodynamic body, drag of course increases with speed, but due to compression and other factors, the ratio of change does not remain at a constant 1:1. Has speed increases, more power is required to maintain velocity. This has a noticable effect at has low has 60mph on lower powered cars. A natuarly occurring wind gust of 30 mph on a car taveling at 30mph can in fact cause a car to have to work just has hard has the same car traveling 60 mph in still air. However, due to lower velocity, the 30 mph car would still have more traction available for lateral stability and movement than the 60 mph car.
When you start talking supercars the MPH figures are a bit higher, but the math gets increasingly complex has well, and things like drag and downforce become more and more of an issue.
Given that pretty much every car in GT fits into one end or the other of the spectrum, a true simulation in of itself requires at least accounting of the static airflow type of wind at least, and for maximum realism, the natuarly occurring dynamic wind has well.
Now, will I miss it if there isn’t wind gusts in GT5? Nope, but I can understand the interest people have for the idea.
typo:
“A light sports car traveling at highway speeds will be effected by a 30 3mph gust…… ” should read: “A light sports car traveling at highway speeds will be effected by a 30mph gust…..”
Makes a big difference… ;)
Looks more like a bug to me. If the trees had been moving about then maybe not, but as it is it look s strange the way the dust shoots across the grass.
You all do realize that this is a pre-alpha code right?
May i ask how you know it’s a pre alpha and not pre beta or final build ??
Yeah, how do you know?
at 1:20, i don’t think it is wind, i think it is tire smoke and i think it is the same at 1:40 as well.
These are not effects of wind, but the particle effects of grass when cars drive over
sorry, it is @ 0:35
0:38 BUG in the cockpit!
Could it be dynamic weather will come with cross wind or something.
Well, this could also just be a bug with glare from the cars. Anyone else? I don’t know, I’m not sold.
They should make the tree’s move as well?
is it just me or is that car just a dog to drive in a straight line, or was it the driver? Ive never had a GT game so cant comment on the physics but it seems a lot like Forza with the car ‘self centering’ a bit so you always seem to over correct the steering with what seems like way too much understeer happening
please correct me if Im wrong, as I said Im new to the GT franchise and will be buying a PS3 for this game
There’s no “self-centering” whatsoever in GT. If you have the opportunity, try GT5p first, it’s cheap now. Some of the mid-engine cars are real beasts, especially the tuned Ford GT; one small fault and it’s lift-off-oversteer will send you off the track
There is self centering in GT5P and GT4 when using a wheel depending on what realism setting you have the wheel set to. Just like forza, you can turn it off.
oh, and GT5P also has an “active steering” setting for other controllers in the pre-race options has well, again, just like forza, and that can be turned off has well, also just like forza. Not sure if GT4 and earlier have it has well, but if it does, you can shut it off there has well.
I don’t recommend you to buy GT5 Prologue now. Wait till November 2 and buy the full game. There are differences of gameplay (physics) between GT5P and the current stage of development of the game.
at 1:49 the yellow ZR-1 pasts in the grass/dirt and the dust blows up in the same direction and with the same speed as showin earlier at 1:20. there might b something to this story…
Buggg
Around 1:40 you can see the same effects, so i dont think is a bug!
Did it seem like when he hit the strightaway, the car wobbled or did the driver just not have control.
in the past Kaz said they try to get the wind flow on the cars correct and this is hard…maybe this is the reason
LFS has wind so it’s a possibility..!
Hey Jordan is there a constellation prize for being the 1st to comment on a post or am I missing something lol! Big deal if you’ve commented 1st just give your thoughts. I never seen dust fly like that in real life unless the car went off the track, since it’s a demo I’ll rule it a glitch!
Sweet weather effects, and I’m pretty sure that’s no bug.
Stiffest trees ever!
I hope the wind effects are to blow away the DJ who decided to play Britney Spears music. Anyhow, I took a good notice of that dust being blown away. It does tend to wonder about wind simulation. People think weather effects are only rain and snow. Well, heat and wind and stuff are also considered weather factors. I would remain positive that this is a sign of more weather conditions to be featured. It looks great, albeit overexaggerated.
I dream with changing track temperature…
Perhaps its just like the Day/Night transitions at E3 in that it was accelerated to show its there. Perhaps come Gamescom, they’ll show a track go from sunny to rain an in instant just to say “Look what we got”.
How much memory am I going to have to save for this game?! I mean wind? What will they think of next, tornados that appear in the track to throw your car off the track, and then see a cow come out of no-where after this tornado and have it smash into your windsheild?! geesh!
…? What’s wrong with having wind effects in the game? Your comparison to the inclusion of a tornado is absurd and makes no sense.
Dodging falling cows might be fun you know!
I believe the cars moving is causing the wind effect.
Yer because that’s realistic!
I don’t think a car at that speed would cause such a hurricane.
No tree movement or anything else to show wind… dunno about this one…
good catch!!! hmmm i wonder why they got rid of the sparks… maybe its just a really bad demo and they just couldn’t fix all of it in time for the showing of the demo… and maybe the sparks were having major issues so they just didn’t make the cut in the latest demo… just a thought
The sparks were lame. thats why they cut them ;)i was tired of seeing sparks inside the cockpit
Don’t worry Philmangt the sparks are still coming through the windscreen when the Enzo gets wacked. As for the wind, I’m not sold. If anything the dust seems to get sucked up in the massive 35mph slipstream of the cars lol. Always a pleasure to see a new demo though.
My bad! Only one video video came up and it was the wrong one lol. Strange effect but the dust itself does look more realistic than the in the previous demos.
They seem to have got rid of the spark thing.
wtf? this is news? its a bug, or maybe just dirt from the cars getting in the grass…
looks like the normal angle off the tyres has got screwed up, that dust should be coming out the back of the cars not out at 90 degrees. if not then that’s one hell of a cross wind!
Of course the game is glitching there, with the bad physics and Britney Spears playing. No way the demo is working right. XD
It looks like the SLS driver thought that the Corvette driver was the singer of the Britney song. At least he was a bit obstinated on hitting him.
BTW, bug or not, the smoke at 1:50 looks a bit windy too.
I cant believe this!
Awesome find it might be from the cars driving by pushing the wind that way??
looks like wind … and if all the smoke started doing that and not just that one part then it could be a bug in the particle physics
Interesting, but I would think that was a bug. It just doesn’t look right.
thats a bug 4 sure. and i was first!!!
Hmmm… Could add some drama to rain. And dirt tracks.
Looks like a bug, but it is a good find, never noticed it before.
looks pretty interesting, maybe not a bug
I doubt its a bug dude. If anything the original video is a bug cause this new one looks way more realistic.
Hmm i don´t think it´s bug. It seems that they have improved environment effects and perhaps the first weather feature is inserted. If you watch 1:49 the corvette drives over the gras and they is also a “waether” effect. The dust proceeds to the beam barrier.
sorry for that poor english :)
wow! WOW! this is Great if this is true… we know there will be niggt and day cycle, rain, and now wind.. wll its getting better and better.. I think this is not a bus just like “lado” said, in 1:49 corvette drives pass and the dust hits barrier… awesome!!!!!! cant wait to see GT wether in the full scale all in one….
lol, I was excited and typed very fast.. sorry for mistakes.
So we are two who can´t write exactly ;) I improved myself on another comment. Just read your written text again and then you can post it.
i love how the corvete came squishing through…its like he was having tag of war…and the corvete won…hehehe
@ lado
You’re right, I and many more guys have to read text before post it…
Hit me baby one more time!! LOL
Sounds like Karaoke no less!!!
lmao!